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Posted: 8/9/2017 1:40:34 PM EDT
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WWIII I'm sure Trump has told both Russia and China that we don't really give a shit what happens in North Korea as long as they don't have WMDs don't regularly attack South Korea. That they can install any puppet they want as long as whoever leads doesn't intentionally starve his own people. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 1:42:22 PM EDT
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They don't want 25 million starving, brainwashed people with virtually zero skill set flooding across the border. Then it becomes their problem They are brainwashed. They have some skill sets albeit, some may have monotonous factory work experience. They live in a communist country so everyone has to work. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 1:43:39 PM EDT
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They need ships, subs, 150,000 troops and the rest to stop starving refugees? If it takes all that to stop UNARMED people, we are going to lose this conflict. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They don't want 25 million starving, brainwashed people with virtually zero skill set flooding across the border. Then it becomes their problem dozens of ships, fighter jets and submarines adjacent to the Korean Peninsula on Monday - just months after moving 150,000 troops to its border with North Korea. Russia, meanwhile, moved military equipment including helicopters and combat vehicles to its southern frontier with the hermit state earlier this yea If it takes all that to stop UNARMED people, we are going to lose this conflict. We may not win it, but no doubt we won't lose. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 1:43:44 PM EDT
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I feel very sorry for the NK population. Brainwashed from birth about their dear douche(s). Now they're going to fight for something and probably don't know why. And their world will burn.
All because of some fat fucking idiot |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 1:43:53 PM EDT
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I don't entirely get the "Not wanting a shared border" with a US ally. What is the risk that China has by having South Korea sharing a land border with them? Hell, with NK out of the way there wouldn't be a whole lot of reason for USFK to exist as it does today. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 1:44:49 PM EDT
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We won't lose. We may not win it, but no doubt we won't lose. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They don't want 25 million starving, brainwashed people with virtually zero skill set flooding across the border. Then it becomes their problem dozens of ships, fighter jets and submarines adjacent to the Korean Peninsula on Monday - just months after moving 150,000 troops to its border with North Korea. Russia, meanwhile, moved military equipment including helicopters and combat vehicles to its southern frontier with the hermit state earlier this yea If it takes all that to stop UNARMED people, we are going to lose this conflict. We may not win it, but no doubt we won't lose. Our problem has been we stayed behind to clean up our mess. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 1:45:37 PM EDT
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I would bet they enter and occupy as much of NK as they can. They would not want SK from taking over the entire country of NK.
They would call it a defensive measure and would "help with the humanitarian crisis" but they would be occupiers, nonetheless. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 1:45:37 PM EDT
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One potential play is a 3-way colition of Russia, China and USA. Our side supplies naval based support while R & C are the boots on the ground. Looks good from a starting point but not sure how that would play out to the end game.
If it goes down this way, there's a new global sheriff in town and wo ist thee that picks a fight with the big 3. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 1:46:30 PM EDT
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I agree. It's posturing. I don't think they're going to actually do anything with those forces. They're just there to send a message. The same way we do exercises in Europe to send a message to the Russians. The only way there won't be a diplomatic solution to this is if the crazy little NK $h1t decides to pull something. No nation has anything to be gain by a war breaking out there. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 1:47:52 PM EDT
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Yes, no doubt the fighters and submarines are just the thing to stem the flow of refugees. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 1:48:05 PM EDT
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They don't want 25 million starving, brainwashed people with virtually zero skill set flooding across the border. Then it becomes their problem   
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Posted: 8/9/2017 1:48:15 PM EDT
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So long as we go in, fuck stuff up and leave. That will be a win. Our problem has been we stayed behind to clean up our mess. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They don't want 25 million starving, brainwashed people with virtually zero skill set flooding across the border. Then it becomes their problem dozens of ships, fighter jets and submarines adjacent to the Korean Peninsula on Monday - just months after moving 150,000 troops to its border with North Korea. Russia, meanwhile, moved military equipment including helicopters and combat vehicles to its southern frontier with the hermit state earlier this yea If it takes all that to stop UNARMED people, we are going to lose this conflict. We may not win it, but no doubt we won't lose. Our problem has been we stayed behind to clean up our mess. Dint know we feel we need to stay after the mission is complete. Place someone friendly in charge, keep a few backup friendlies in the shadows just in case and leave. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 1:48:43 PM EDT
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One potential play is a 3-way colition of Russia, China and USA. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 1:49:14 PM EDT
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A prudent move is one that both protects their borders and prepares for WW3. They are just doing what any country involved would do. They've been staging logistics for several months. I'm afraid it is too late to turn back now.
Why make a deal that would keep Kim in power, and then just need to have all these countries redeploy their assets in six months when Kim acts up again? No, the only logical path forward is to eliminate him and get it over with. Or at least eliminate his weapons and leave him for the wolves. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 1:50:55 PM EDT
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That's probably a fantasy. Our relationship with Russia is probably worse than it has been at any time since the end of the Cold War, and our relationship with China isn't all that great either. Russia views us as a threat right now, and China views us as an antagonist, if not an enemy. Teaming up with them is probably impossible at the moment. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 1:52:23 PM EDT
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They could easily see a coalition against North Korea as a way to change what you mentioned. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's probably a fantasy. Our relationship with Russia is probably worse than it has been at any time since the end of the Cold War, and our relationship with China isn't all that great either. Russia views us as a threat right now, and China views us as an antagonist, if not an enemy. Teaming up with them is probably impossible at the moment. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 1:54:17 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/9/2017 1:59:02 PM EDT
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The smart response by russia and china would be this:
Fatkim has stepped across the line. If nk fires a nuke- china and russia will remove fatkim Fat kim is running out of allies, support and trade partners. The only sane move is to step down or die. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 2:20:02 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/9/2017 2:22:46 PM EDT
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And they could just as easily see a war in North Korea as a way to hurt the United States and take us down a peg. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 2:25:40 PM EDT
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Yes, no doubt the fighters and submarines are just the thing to stem the flow of refugees. Who Knew? 
China and Russia are massing troops on their borders with NK. 
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Posted: 8/9/2017 2:26:31 PM EDT
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Moscow has displayed its own frightening military strength at a war games event in Siberia this week and during a vast Navy Day parade in Vladivostok - about 100 miles from North Korean territory. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 2:34:06 PM EDT
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That's probably a fantasy. Our relationship with Russia is probably worse than it has been at any time since the end of the Cold War, and our relationship with China isn't all that great either. Russia views us as a threat right now, and China views us as an antagonist, if not an enemy. Teaming up with them is probably impossible at the moment.
Russia and China are on board to end this bullshit from Lil Kim. Un Sanctions on the Norks |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 2:42:41 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/9/2017 2:43:50 PM EDT
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I am suspicious that China sees a war with the United States is inevitable. If not over North Korea, then over the South China Sea and if not over the South China Sea then over Taiwan. Xi and the commies may be coming to the conclusion that they are going to have to fight us sooner or later, and they may be chasing North Korea as the venue. China better be careful if that is what they think. We talk about spreading ourselves too thin, but how thin can China get while facing the US, NATO, Japan, SKorea, Australia, and India. I mean, China and India are themselves on the brink of war right now, and if China shows they are preoccupied, India is gonna come in and snatch up those 1000s of miles of contested land. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 2:56:48 PM EDT
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Pre-positioning all of those assets under the guise of an exercise is their way of saying that if we attempt to do something preemptive about NK...they will respond. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 3:01:21 PM EDT
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Its a move to ensure there will be a buffer state between them and us. plus there will be tons of refugee's if shit hits the fan. What the Xi-ese and russkies do to the refugees is not our problem. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 3:02:35 PM EDT
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China wont risk letting SK and the US take NK and have a shared border. They like the buffer that NK provides between us. If anything China will "take" NK and prop up some puppet leader controlled by Beijing that is far less insane and will allow China access to the trillions in mine-able resources under NK. Yet the fatman is still norking around up there. The time for the chins to take out kimmyboy was about last month. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 3:06:20 PM EDT
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The Chinese people may get wind of the benefits of capitalism with a free state bordering them. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 3:08:07 PM EDT
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And they could just as easily see a war in North Korea as a way to hurt the United States and take us down a peg. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 3:09:00 PM EDT
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http://i.imgur.com/pH6sy6C.jpg MAGA!!!! |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 3:10:02 PM EDT
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Amid heightened tensions in the region, Beijing staged 'large-scale' military exercises with dozens of ships, fighter jets and submarines adjacent to the Korean Peninsula on Monday - just months after moving 150,000 troops to its border with North Korea. Russia, meanwhile, moved military equipment including helicopters and combat vehicles to its southern frontier with the hermit state earlier this year. Moscow has displayed its own frightening military strength at a war games event in Siberia this week and during a vast Navy Day parade in Vladivostok - about 100 miles from North Korean territory. So here is the question that I have: Is this just a prudent move by China and Russia to ensure that any war on the Korean Peninsula doesn't spill over into their borders, or is everyone gearing up for WWIII? they both fear a flood of refugees from NoRK. Especially China. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 3:11:18 PM EDT
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Amid heightened tensions in the region, Beijing staged 'large-scale' military exercises with dozens of ships, fighter jets and submarines adjacent to the Korean Peninsula on Monday - just months after moving 150,000 troops to its border with North Korea. Russia, meanwhile, moved military equipment including helicopters and combat vehicles to its southern frontier with the hermit state earlier this year. Moscow has displayed its own frightening military strength at a war games event in Siberia this week and during a vast Navy Day parade in Vladivostok - about 100 miles from North Korean territory. So here is the question that I have: Is this just a prudent move by China and Russia to ensure that any war on the Korean Peninsula doesn't spill over into their borders, or is everyone gearing up for WWIII? |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 3:14:45 PM EDT
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I am suspicious that China sees a war with the United States is inevitable. If not over North Korea, then over the South China Sea and if not over the South China Sea then over Taiwan. Xi and the commies may be coming to the conclusion that they are going to have to fight us sooner or later, and they may be chasing North Korea as the venue. Best case scenario for them if they beat the US in a war is a worldwide economic desert and they go back to selling jade trinkets to passing ships. Worst case, they get the glow bug. China (and Russia for that matter) dont want to rule the world. Thats beyond them right now. They want to control their corner of it. For Russia, that's the "near abroad" and select client states in the ME. For China, that's the Asia-Pacific Rim and, to some extent now, Africa. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 3:15:48 PM EDT
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Amid heightened tensions in the region, Beijing staged 'large-scale' military exercises with dozens of ships, fighter jets and submarines adjacent to the Korean Peninsula on Monday - just months after moving 150,000 troops to its border with North Korea. Russia, meanwhile, moved military equipment including helicopters and combat vehicles to its southern frontier with the hermit state earlier this year. Moscow has displayed its own frightening military strength at a war games event in Siberia this week and during a vast Navy Day parade in Vladivostok - about 100 miles from North Korean territory. So here is the question that I have: Is this just a prudent move by China and Russia to ensure that any war on the Korean Peninsula doesn't spill over into their borders, or is everyone gearing up for WWIII? So, why would a conventional war between the US/South Korea against North Korea/China/Russia be considered a World War? Unless you're inferring that all the other major countries of the world would unite behind us, which didn't happen during the initial start of this continuing Korean war, back in 1950? China backed North Korea back in the 50's, so why wouldn't they do the same thing now? It wasn't considered a world war back in 1950. In any event there is no indication that Russia wants to get involved with this. But, I don't blame them for beefing up their military strength in the areas that might be impacted by hostilities. Who wouldn't? Things tend to bleed over across borders when the shooting starts. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 3:18:00 PM EDT
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They don't want 25 million starving, brainwashed people with virtually zero skill set flooding across the border. Then it becomes their problem |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 3:19:44 PM EDT
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They don't want 25 million starving, brainwashed people with virtually zero skill set flooding across the border. Then it becomes their problem |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 3:23:17 PM EDT
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So instead of a North Korea, we are going to have NW and NE Koreas? Which one would be Best Korea? |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 3:32:14 PM EDT
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Right now, they cant. If they end their business relationship with Bentonville ,Arkansas, their entire economy comes to a crashing halt. Best case scenario for them if they beat the US in a war is a worldwide economic desert and they go back to selling jade trinkets to passing ships. Worst case, they get the glow bug. China (and Russia for that matter) dont want to rule the world. Thats beyond them right now. They want to control their corner of it. For Russia, that's the "near abroad" and select client states in the ME. For China, that's the Asia-Pacific Rim and, to some extent now, Africa. Also, we tend to focus on various countries intentions. Whether or not we think they're "mean" or expansionist, or aggressive etc. Our military, the war college etc. does this, but culturally and politically we don't look as hard at these other countries capabilities, it's a secondary consideration only after we think they're an enemy or not. China and Russia are much better at asessing potential enemies based solely on their capability, regardless of the country's stance, politics or intentions, and in those terms, America scares the ever-loving bejeezus out of everyone. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 3:36:18 PM EDT
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I think we're on our way to WW3 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yes, no doubt the fighters and submarines are just the thing to stem the flow of refugees. Even if we aren't, when tensions rise and military forces get positioned like they are, one misstep can start something that nobody wanted, purely by mistake. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 3:36:35 PM EDT
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I would have imagined a Marine Corps office could read better. Who Knew?
China and Russia are massing troops on their borders with NK. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yes, no doubt the fighters and submarines are just the thing to stem the flow of refugees. Who Knew?
China and Russia are massing troops on their borders with NK. It will help you to avoid looking like an ass  ...
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They don't want 25 million starving, brainwashed people with virtually zero skill set flooding across the border. Then it becomes their problem |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 3:39:32 PM EDT
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The Chair is against the wall. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 3:46:43 PM EDT
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Read the context before commenting: "'large-scale' military exercises with dozens of ships, fighter jets and submarines..." It will help you to avoid looking like an ass ...
Jets and subs would indicate that this is NOT just about border control and refugees. Here's a theoretical for you: A foreign military masses just off one of our coasts, or just outside one of our borders. You'd suggest we just sit back and watch? Sounds to me like China and Russia are doing the exact same thing we would if the situation were reversed. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 3:48:00 PM EDT
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I don't entirely get the "Not wanting a shared border" with a US ally. What is the risk that China has by having South Korea sharing a land border with them? Hell, with NK out of the way there wouldn't be a whole lot of reason for USFK to exist as it does today. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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China wont risk letting SK and the US take NK and have a shared border. They like the buffer that NK provides between us. If anything China will "take" NK and prop up some puppet leader controlled by Beijing that is far less insane and will allow China access to the trillions in mine-able resources under NK. Hell, with NK out of the way there wouldn't be a whole lot of reason for USFK to exist as it does today. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 3:49:37 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/9/2017 3:52:05 PM EDT
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It's psychological, historically, there have been several invasions of China that came up through the Korean peninsula. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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China wont risk letting SK and the US take NK and have a shared border. They like the buffer that NK provides between us. If anything China will "take" NK and prop up some puppet leader controlled by Beijing that is far less insane and will allow China access to the trillions in mine-able resources under NK. Hell, with NK out of the way there wouldn't be a whole lot of reason for USFK to exist as it does today. So long as we weren't north of the 38th. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 3:53:00 PM EDT
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I must really get under your skin. That's the second time you've quoted me on that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Read the context before commenting: "'large-scale' military exercises with dozens of ships, fighter jets and submarines..." It will help you to avoid looking like an ass ...
Jets and subs would indicate that this is NOT just about border control and refugees. I responded to your post and someone commented on my response without the context. Not everything is about you. Here's a theoretical for you: A foreign military masses just off one of our coasts, or just outside one of our borders. You'd suggest we just sit back and watch? Sounds to me like China and Russia are doing the exact same thing we would if the situation were reversed. They aren't there because they are worried about us invading THEM, nor are they there because they fear a refugee crisis (although some of the troops on their border ARE there for that -not the subs and the jets). If things happen, I'd bet that China will go into NK. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 3:55:40 PM EDT
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... when push comes to shove, the Chinese and Russians will side with the USA - they simply have too much to lose over North Korea (I think)
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Posted: 8/9/2017 3:55:57 PM EDT
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China wont risk letting SK and the US take NK and have a shared border. They like the buffer that NK provides between us. If anything China will "take" NK and prop up some puppet leader controlled by Beijing that is far less insane and will allow China access to the trillions in mine-able resources under NK. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 3:57:13 PM EDT
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I cannot understand why China doesn't handle this.
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