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Posted: 8/9/2017 11:47:08 PM EDT
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I'm betting there'd be back-channel agreements, or there are offers made in advance already, in case the balloon goes up without warning, that once NK was neutralized and the shooting stopped, American forces would retreat back to the DMZ, only ROK forces would remain, and/or China would be invited in to help occupy them. And possibly NK might be turned over to China as a puppet state like Mongolia etc. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 11:48:20 PM EDT
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I think this may be the dumbest post today, and pga has been all over the place. 
Both funny and accurate, I like that in a post. 
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Posted: 8/9/2017 11:49:28 PM EDT
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Yes, no doubt the fighters and submarines are just the thing to stem the flow of refugees. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 11:52:35 PM EDT
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Dead refugees don't cross the border for very long or very far. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 11:52:50 PM EDT
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Never get in a land war in Asia.
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Posted: 8/10/2017 12:12:11 AM EDT
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No. They manufacture everything. Making goods is true wealth. (US in 20's-50's) China feels it's their time to rule the world. They are the next superpower, a non Western power to be #1 in over 500+ years. 1. Diplomatic. They could be the US during the Open Door Policy or Teddy Roosevelt during the Russia v. Japan. Inflict. Come out the good guy, positive world relations. 2. Seize the opportunity to knock the aging and debt riddled US from the #1 spot. Not directly and not at first. Pump up NK to weaken us via proxy war then gain more economic advantage after the NK vs US war. Another 10 trillion debt from war might knock us down. China will seize it. 3. Directly attack the US with the help of Russia and North Korea. Get rid of Kim Jong Un and place a puppet government. Interesting times are ahead. We won't do so well this time. This reminds me of French forces fighting during the French Revolution. France was burning and many of its military was fighting conflicts out of the country. Our country is divided. A war with NK would spark a much hotter anti war protest than Vietnam. Democrats will seize the moment, the US is tired of war from Gulf II and Afghanistan. We are in debt to our eye balls and this nation is a divided powder keg. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pre-positioning all of those assets under the guise of an exercise is their way of saying that if we attempt to do something preemptive about NK...they will respond. We hold all the purse strings in China. They go to bat with us now and they collapse from within even if it stays conventional. 1. Diplomatic. They could be the US during the Open Door Policy or Teddy Roosevelt during the Russia v. Japan. Inflict. Come out the good guy, positive world relations. 2. Seize the opportunity to knock the aging and debt riddled US from the #1 spot. Not directly and not at first. Pump up NK to weaken us via proxy war then gain more economic advantage after the NK vs US war. Another 10 trillion debt from war might knock us down. China will seize it. 3. Directly attack the US with the help of Russia and North Korea. Get rid of Kim Jong Un and place a puppet government. Interesting times are ahead. We won't do so well this time. This reminds me of French forces fighting during the French Revolution. France was burning and many of its military was fighting conflicts out of the country. Our country is divided. A war with NK would spark a much hotter anti war protest than Vietnam. Democrats will seize the moment, the US is tired of war from Gulf II and Afghanistan. We are in debt to our eye balls and this nation is a divided powder keg. |
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Posted: 8/10/2017 12:19:13 AM EDT
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Today's US military IS NOT the same as WW l & ll ! Bunch of electronic reliant kids, that don't even know what sex they are, whining about PTSD from the past few sand skirmishes we had. I'm thinking this time aroun, the 3 would beat the 1 ! The quality of US troops in WW1 and WW2 was not regarded as being "great" by any stretch unless you go by bullshit feel good books from Tom Brokaw. The draftee army was shown the door for good reason. |
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Posted: 8/10/2017 1:41:41 AM EDT
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China can't hurt us without crushing themselves. US consumers are propping up China's economy. They will find other markets that will economically explode after the next war. |
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Posted: 8/10/2017 1:44:14 AM EDT
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So if I manufacture a bunch of stuff no one buys, have I created "true wealth"? Of course not. Wealth is created when a transaction occurs that yields a profit. ChinavUSA war means far fewer transactions and any previous profit disappears in the financial black hole of war. (T-bills also become worthless). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Making goods is true wealth. (US in 20's-50's) China feels it's their time to rule the world. They are the next superpower, a non Western power to be #1 in over 500+ years. Of course not. Wealth is created when a transaction occurs that yields a profit. ChinavUSA war means far fewer transactions and any previous profit disappears in the financial black hole of war. (T-bills also become worthless). Same show, different performers and audience. |
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Posted: 8/10/2017 1:47:29 AM EDT
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This is like reading the thoughts of a 5th grader. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pre-positioning all of those assets under the guise of an exercise is their way of saying that if we attempt to do something preemptive about NK...they will respond. We hold all the purse strings in China. They go to bat with us now and they collapse from within even if it stays conventional. 1. Diplomatic. They could be the US during the Open Door Policy or Teddy Roosevelt during the Russia v. Japan. Inflict. Come out the good guy, positive world relations. 2. Seize the opportunity to knock the aging and debt riddled US from the #1 spot. Not directly and not at first. Pump up NK to weaken us via proxy war then gain more economic advantage after the NK vs US war. Another 10 trillion debt from war might knock us down. China will seize it. 3. Directly attack the US with the help of Russia and North Korea. Get rid of Kim Jong Un and place a puppet government. Interesting times are ahead. We won't do so well this time. This reminds me of French forces fighting during the French Revolution. France was burning and many of its military was fighting conflicts out of the country. Our country is divided. A war with NK would spark a much hotter anti war protest than Vietnam. Democrats will seize the moment, the US is tired of war from Gulf II and Afghanistan. We are in debt to our eye balls and this nation is a divided powder keg. |
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Posted: 8/10/2017 1:50:04 AM EDT
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 Root Boy Slim "World War III" |
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Posted: 8/10/2017 1:54:27 AM EDT
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So how soon after we get it on with NK will the loony left be calling for the US to take north Koreans in as refugees as well as South Koreans.
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Posted: 8/10/2017 2:16:38 AM EDT
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I didn't know that anyone south of our border was developing nukes and delivery platforms. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If it were happening on our border - what do you think we would do? 
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Posted: 8/10/2017 2:21:18 AM EDT
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The United States must make it clear that these provocative moves are condemned on no uncertain terms. Any Russian or Chinese Military items being moved into position near North Korea should be immediately and without apology destroyed, if those items are deemed to pose a threat to our brave men and women who may be soon performing operations in and near North Korea. Any aggression in the region is ultimately an aggression against the United States. 
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Posted: 8/10/2017 2:32:28 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/10/2017 2:37:10 AM EDT
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Even China is not that barbaric. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dead refugees don't cross the border for very long or very far. If we did that to pigs people would lose their shit. |
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Posted: 8/10/2017 2:45:46 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/10/2017 2:50:55 AM EDT
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Captured North Korean female soldiers will have to be sent to re-education camps.
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Posted: 8/10/2017 2:54:47 AM EDT
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Captured North Korean female soldiers will have to be sent to re-education camps. https://www.unilad.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/korea1.jpg  Just build a bullet train from SK through NK all the way up to China. The new North Korea will be a great tourist destination. 
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Posted: 8/10/2017 2:56:31 AM EDT
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After the destruction she can open up a massage parlour for SK tourists. Just build a bullet train from SK through NK all the way up to China. The new North Korea will be a great tourist destination. 
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Posted: 8/10/2017 2:57:29 AM EDT
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Captured North Korean female soldiers will have to be sent to re-education camps. https://www.unilad.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/korea1.jpg |
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Posted: 8/10/2017 3:00:33 AM EDT
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There's no such thing as "re-educating" communists, despite what you're getting at. |
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Posted: 8/10/2017 3:01:02 AM EDT
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Nope. If something were really meaningful to happen, we would never telegraph our intentions this way. Military dependents are also military and as such, collateral . Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Best and most accurate post in this entire thread. we always have this is a game leading up to war but hoping war is averted evacuating family and civilians is a step to show we are getting serious, just like moving carrier battle groups into the area, installing THAD, and massing mechanized divisions on borders. You can be sure Guam is at a high state of readiness too. |
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Posted: 8/10/2017 3:03:56 AM EDT
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Today's US military IS NOT the same as WW l & ll ! Bunch of electronic reliant kids, that don't even know what sex they are, whining about PTSD from the past few sand skirmishes we had. I'm thinking this time aroun, the 3 would beat the 1 ! checks user name |
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Posted: 8/10/2017 3:10:42 AM EDT
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After the next war, the winning countries economies will grow rapidly. Think of Japan during the Korean War, Korea during the Vietnam war. Look at the wealth growth of the US post WWII. Our economy exploded. Jobs for all and goods the world bought. Same show, different performers and audience. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Making goods is true wealth. (US in 20's-50's) China feels it's their time to rule the world. They are the next superpower, a non Western power to be #1 in over 500+ years. Of course not. Wealth is created when a transaction occurs that yields a profit. ChinavUSA war means far fewer transactions and any previous profit disappears in the financial black hole of war. (T-bills also become worthless). Same show, different performers and audience. |
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Posted: 8/10/2017 3:44:26 AM EDT
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lol, spoken like a double account retard. The quality of US troops in WW1 and WW2 was not regarded as being "great" by any stretch unless you go by bullshit feel good books from Tom Brokaw. The draftee army was shown the door for good reason. |
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Posted: 8/10/2017 6:30:48 AM EDT
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They are a heartier lot. What we were in the 30's. They will find other markets that will economically explode after the next war. |
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Posted: 8/10/2017 6:36:10 AM EDT
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They don't want 25 million starving, brainwashed people with virtually zero skill set flooding across the border. Then it becomes their problem |
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Posted: 8/10/2017 6:45:38 AM EDT
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Never get in a land war in Asia. |
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Posted: 8/10/2017 6:57:08 AM EDT
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They don't want 25 million starving, brainwashed people with virtually zero skill set flooding across the border. Then it becomes their problem |
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Posted: 8/10/2017 7:06:47 AM EDT
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We must get the USA to attack us so they can compensate us.
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Posted: 8/10/2017 7:13:30 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/10/2017 7:18:48 AM EDT
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way to go Bill |
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Posted: 8/10/2017 7:53:53 AM EDT
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Hopefully they are doing all that to help in getting L'il Kim out of power.
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Posted: 8/10/2017 7:57:55 AM EDT
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They don't want 25 million starving, brainwashed people with virtually zero skill set flooding across the border. Then it becomes their problem It's time for China to take the bull by the horn and end this one before it gets bad. |
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Posted: 8/10/2017 8:18:18 AM EDT
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Why not? |
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Posted: 8/10/2017 8:28:25 AM EDT
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Today's US military IS NOT the same as WW l & ll ! Bunch of electronic reliant kids, that don't even know what sex they are, whining about PTSD from the past few sand skirmishes we had. I'm thinking this time aroun, the 3 would beat the 1 !
Today's military isn't the WW generation military. Today they are professionals who volunteered. And yes, it does take a far smarter soldier, sailor, airmen, or Marine to exist in today's military but that's no reason to shit on the older generations of volunteers. Anyone who has the courage to volunteer to intentionally go into harm's way for the good of their nation is a hero in my books. Those cowards who bad mouth them from behind their keyboards, resting safely because rough men are doing wicked things to the enemy, are nothing better than worms. You speak from complete ignorance and shows. How about a discussion of what you know about combat fatigue/PTSD starting at the US Civil War/War Between the States/War of Northern Aggression forward. I'm particularly interested in your vast knowledge of unit efficiency as it relates to PTSD. |
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Posted: 8/10/2017 10:55:38 PM EDT
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It is a prudent move for China to depose Kim and restart DPRK as a client state without Kim's baggage. DPRK has value more value to the Chinese without Kim than with at this point. The West would celebrate such a move as an indication of world wide unity against crazy people/hopeandaheyandashanana. China will simply see it as a necessary adjustment in their hegemony. Deposing Kim and instituting some market reform in DPRK (like the ability to outsource their labor to the ROKs) will inject cash into DPRK and thus, weapons sales for China. Im surprised they havent done it already. Probably waiting for the western MSM to raise things to a fever pitch so they can swoop in with unanimous world applause. |
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Posted: 8/11/2017 1:22:32 AM EDT
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Captured North Korean female soldiers will have to be sent to re-education camps. https://www.unilad.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/korea1.jpg |
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Posted: 8/11/2017 1:31:57 AM EDT
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The Peoples rallies begin... http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/08/10/03/4320335000000578-4774686-The_elite_class_who_were_dressed_in_black_applauded_the_workers_-a-49_1502333953703.jpg http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/08/10/03/4320333800000578-4774686-Tens_of_thousands_of_North_Koreans_packed_the_square_in_a_show_o-a-58_1502333954069.jpg http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/08/10/03/4320324C00000578-4774686-Photos_showed_citizens_holding_propaganda_placards_and_waving_th-a-51_1502333953772.jpg More |
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Posted: 8/11/2017 1:34:21 AM EDT
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They don't want 25 million starving, brainwashed people with virtually zero skill set flooding across the border. Then it becomes their problem TC |
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Posted: 8/11/2017 1:45:48 AM EDT
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The problem being internally solved in North Korea would be the best solution such as by the Chinese installing someone less hard line than whoever is running the country now. It's not ideal and it is not freedom but if those people had Chinese style communism VS what they have now they would be better off. People could have businesses and they could trade with other countries and maybe have enough food to eat.
The alternative to the problem being solved internally is not good for the US, Japan, and South Korea. If we have to take care of the problem, we do but it will be very hard and very expensive in lives and money. |
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Posted: 8/11/2017 3:03:59 PM EDT
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Stop pretending to know more than you do. Arrogance for no good fucking reason is a trend with you and it's obnoxious. Have you met one? You speak as if you have had any contact with them at all... |
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