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Posted: 8/9/2017 8:37:14 PM EDT
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It is a prudent move for China to depose Kim and restart DPRK as a client state without Kim's baggage. DPRK has value more value to the Chinese without Kim than with at this point. The West would celebrate such a move as an indication of world wide unity against crazy people/hopeandaheyandashanana. China will simply see it as a necessary adjustment in their hegemony. Deposing Kim and instituting some market reform in DPRK (like the ability to outsource their labor to the ROKs) will inject cash into DPRK and thus, weapons sales for China. Im surprised they havent done it already. Probably waiting for the western MSM to raise things to a fever pitch so they can swoop in with unanimous world applause. What will they do without a Dear Reader? |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 8:38:29 PM EDT
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When they start to move US military dependents out of Korea, Japan, and the Western Pacific you will know they mean business |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 8:40:05 PM EDT
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What will they do without a Dear Reader? |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 8:47:18 PM EDT
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There is no way China will go to war with the US over North Korea again. There is no sunshine at the end of that tunnel. We hold all the purse strings in China. They go to bat with us now and they collapse from within even if it stays conventional. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pre-positioning all of those assets under the guise of an exercise is their way of saying that if we attempt to do something preemptive about NK...they will respond. We hold all the purse strings in China. They go to bat with us now and they collapse from within even if it stays conventional. 1. Diplomatic. They could be the US during the Open Door Policy or Teddy Roosevelt during the Russia v. Japan. Inflict. Come out the good guy, positive world relations. 2. Seize the opportunity to knock the aging and debt riddled US from the #1 spot. Not directly and not at first. Pump up NK to weaken us via proxy war then gain more economic advantage after the NK vs US war. Another 10 trillion debt from war might knock us down. China will seize it. 3. Directly attack the US with the help of Russia and North Korea. Get rid of Kim Jong Un and place a puppet government. Interesting times are ahead. We won't do so well this time. This reminds me of French forces fighting during the French Revolution. France was burning and many of its military was fighting conflicts out of the country. Our country is divided. A war with NK would spark a much hotter anti war protest than Vietnam. Democrats will seize the moment, the US is tired of war from Gulf II and Afghanistan. We are in debt to our eye balls and this nation is a divided powder keg. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 8:48:45 PM EDT
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Looks good on paper, but the problem is it will take generations to turn around the starving and brainwashed masses. Do you think any of them know how to function in any kind of economy? Hell no. Their distribution system are fucking ox. What will they do without a Dear Reader? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It is a prudent move for China to depose Kim and restart DPRK as a client state without Kim's baggage. DPRK has value more value to the Chinese without Kim than with at this point. The West would celebrate such a move as an indication of world wide unity against crazy people/hopeandaheyandashanana. China will simply see it as a necessary adjustment in their hegemony. Deposing Kim and instituting some market reform in DPRK (like the ability to outsource their labor to the ROKs) will inject cash into DPRK and thus, weapons sales for China. Im surprised they havent done it already. Probably waiting for the western MSM to raise things to a fever pitch so they can swoop in with unanimous world applause. What will they do without a Dear Reader? |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 8:50:59 PM EDT
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China isn't stupid enough to think North Korea is a big enough distraction to our military that they can get away with that shit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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China or Russia may make take advantage and move while the US is wrapped up in the NK conflict. 
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Posted: 8/9/2017 8:53:07 PM EDT
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Stop pretending to know more than you do. Arrogance for no good fucking reason is a trend with you and it's obnoxious. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I feel very sorry for the NK population. Brainwashed from birth about their dear douche(s). Now they're going to fight for something and probably don't know why. And their world will burn. All because of some fat fucking idiot Various anti-regime propaganda, AKA: the truth, has been making its way into NK for years. You have insight into the thoughts of the "North Koreans"?
Have you ever met one? 
Again I ask, have you ever met a North Korean? |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 8:53:21 PM EDT
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Any outcome that affords more natural resources to the enemies of our country is indeed a bad outcome. If North Korea falls into Chinese control, then hopefully Mattis will do what we should have done in the last Korean war and kick China's fucking ass and dont stop until you have gone through Iran and then Moscow 
There is nothing going on that is worth starting a global nuclear war over. 
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Posted: 8/9/2017 8:54:05 PM EDT
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No. They manufacture everything. Making goods is true wealth. (US in 20's-50's) China feels it's their time to rule the world. They are the next superpower, a non Western power to be #1 in over 500+ years. 1. Diplomatic. They could be the US during the Open Door Policy or Teddy Roosevelt during the Russia v. Japan. Inflict. Come out the good guy, positive world relations. 2. Seize the opportunity to knock the aging and debt riddled US from the #1 spot. Not directly and not at first. Pump up NK to weaken us via proxy war then gain more economic advantage after the NK vs US war. Another 10 trillion debt from war might knock us down. China will seize it. 3. Directly attack the US with the help of Russia and North Korea. Get rid of Kim Jong Un and place a puppet government. Interesting times are ahead. We won't do so well this time. This reminds me of French forces fighting during the French Revolution. France was burning and many of its military was fighting conflicts out of the country. Our country is divided. A war with NK would spark a much hotter anti war protest than Vietnam. Democrats will seize the moment, the US is tired of war from Gulf II and Afghanistan. We are in debt to our eye balls and this nation is a divided powder keg. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 8:54:08 PM EDT
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This^^^ NK is no threat to China... so why would China give a fuck enough to step in on our behalf ? |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 8:55:11 PM EDT
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Kim Jung Il is not insane. He is fulfilling a role that the Chinese .gov has written for him. . . As I've said before, NK is a wholly owned subsidiary of China Inc.
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Posted: 8/9/2017 8:56:02 PM EDT
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Bullshit! The politicians strangled us with their fucked up ROE's. The U.S> military was never meant to be hogtied with ROE's that amount to spitwads and straws being shot at our enemies. Take off the gloves, and you'll see the real Shock and Awe. If Bin Laden had attacked the Capitol Building instead of the World Trade Center, there wouldn't be an ISIS today. Likewise, today, if the Capitol building were smoked while congress was in session, then the rest of the country wouldn't have to worry about North Korean nukes. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 8:56:46 PM EDT
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The Chinese have like 3 ports ALL their commerce goes through.
Sea mines are a thing. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 8:58:48 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/9/2017 9:03:28 PM EDT
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Best and most accurate post in this entire thread. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 9:03:35 PM EDT
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The Chinese have like 3 ports ALL their commerce goes through. Sea mines are a thing. 
Default on all Chinese held Treasury Bonds. China's economy implodes the day after we stop trading with China. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 9:05:39 PM EDT
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Nope. If something were really meaningful to happen, we would never telegraph our intentions this way. Military dependents are also military and as such, collateral . Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Best and most accurate post in this entire thread. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 9:09:14 PM EDT
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Making goods is true wealth. (US in 20's-50's) China feels it's their time to rule the world. They are the next superpower, a non Western power to be #1 in over 500+ years. Of course not. Wealth is created when a transaction occurs that yields a profit. ChinavUSA war means far fewer transactions and any previous profit disappears in the financial black hole of war. (T-bills also become worthless). |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 9:13:11 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/9/2017 9:14:49 PM EDT
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They don't want 25 million starving, brainwashed people with virtually zero skill set flooding across the border. Then it becomes their problem |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 9:16:49 PM EDT
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Yes, no doubt the fighters and submarines are just the thing to stem the flow of refugees. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 9:17:11 PM EDT
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So if I manufacture a bunch of stuff no one buys, have I created "true wealth"? Of course not. Wealth is created when a transaction occurs that yields a profit. ChinavUSA war means far fewer transactions and any previous profit disappears in the financial black hole of war. (T-bills also become worthless). |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 9:19:52 PM EDT
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Kill as many Chinese and norks as possible.
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Posted: 8/9/2017 9:20:05 PM EDT
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Nope. If something were really meaningful to happen, we would never telegraph our intentions this way. Military dependents are also military and as such, collateral . |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 9:21:01 PM EDT
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Can they build a Wall in time? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yes, no doubt the fighters and submarines are just the thing to stem the flow of refugees. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 9:29:26 PM EDT
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Unlike other third-world countries, they aren't starving, but don't get a lot to eat. They are brainwashed. They have some skill sets albeit, some may have monotonous factory work experience. They live in a communist country so everyone has to work. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 9:30:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/9/2017 9:34:57 PM EDT
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Think of all the factories they can open and being able to treat their workers actually worse than their own people? Its a win win situation. They just don't want to be the ones that have to do the shooting to make it happen. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Unlike other third-world countries, they aren't starving, but don't get a lot to eat. They are brainwashed. They have some skill sets albeit, some may have monotonous factory work experience. They live in a communist country so everyone has to work. Which is why they like NK so much. It allows them to aggressively threaten the West and make us look like pussies. It plays very well for them. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 9:40:35 PM EDT
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The United States must make it clear that these provocative moves are condemned on no uncertain terms. Any Russian or Chinese Military items being moved into position near North Korea should be immediately and without apology destroyed, if those items are deemed to pose a threat to our brave men and women who may be soon performing operations in and near North Korea. Any aggression in the region is ultimately an aggression against the United States. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 9:53:29 PM EDT
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Today's US military IS NOT the same as WW l & ll ! Bunch of electronic reliant kids, that don't even know what sex they are, whining about PTSD from the past few sand skirmishes we had. I'm thinking this time aroun, the 3 would beat the 1 !
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Posted: 8/9/2017 10:08:37 PM EDT
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Today's US military IS NOT the same as WW l & ll ! Bunch of electronic reliant kids, that don't even know what sex they are, whining about PTSD from the past few sand skirmishes we had. I'm thinking this time aroun, the 3 would beat the 1 ! Yeah, buncha pussies. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 10:11:13 PM EDT
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Today's US military IS NOT the same as WW l & ll ! Bunch of electronic reliant kids, that don't even know what sex they are, whining about PTSD from the past few sand skirmishes we had. I'm thinking this time aroun, the 3 would beat the 1 ! |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 10:11:16 PM EDT
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Today's US military IS NOT the same as WW l & ll ! Bunch of electronic reliant kids, that don't even know what sex they are, whining about PTSD from the past few sand skirmishes we had. I'm thinking this time aroun, the 3 would beat the 1 ! No shit? |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 10:19:57 PM EDT
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Today's US military IS NOT the same as WW l & ll ! Bunch of electronic reliant kids, that don't even know what sex they are, whining about PTSD from the past few sand skirmishes we had. I'm thinking this time aroun, the 3 would beat the 1 ! -Emt1581 |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 10:27:26 PM EDT
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Today's US military IS NOT the same as WW l & ll ! Bunch of electronic reliant kids, that don't even know what sex they are, whining about PTSD from the past few sand skirmishes we had. I'm thinking this time aroun, the 3 would beat the 1 ! |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 10:28:15 PM EDT
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I think this may be the dumbest post today, and pga has been all over the place.
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Posted: 8/9/2017 10:28:43 PM EDT
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Today's US military IS NOT the same as WW l & ll ! Bunch of electronic reliant kids, that don't even know what sex they are, whining about PTSD from the past few sand skirmishes we had. I'm thinking this time aroun, the 3 would beat the 1 ! |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 10:31:25 PM EDT
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In on 5 for the derp
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Posted: 8/9/2017 10:52:40 PM EDT
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So, why would a conventional war between the US/South Korea against North Korea/China/Russia be considered a World War? Unless you're inferring that all the other major countries of the world would unite behind us, which didn't happen during the initial start of this continuing Korean war, back in 1950? China backed North Korea back in the 50's, so why wouldn't they do the same thing now? It wasn't considered a world war back in 1950. In any event there is no indication that Russia wants to get involved with this. But, I don't blame them for beefing up their military strength in the areas that might be impacted by hostilities. Who wouldn't? Things tend to bleed over across borders when the shooting starts. side of the table |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 10:58:46 PM EDT
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China can't hurt us without crushing themselves. US consumers are propping up China's economy. There will come a day when America's value to China is less than the cost, when it serves their interests better to fire up the asymmetric economic warfare against the US. The US, saddled with high debt and high deficits, is not in any position to dictate. If Treasury bonds tank as suggested by another poster, China coughs while the US comes down with Stage 4 metasticized lung cancer. The best cure for this situation is to eliminate the deficit. Congress and the President lack the will to do so, weakening the country. 
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Posted: 8/9/2017 11:07:01 PM EDT
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Today's US military IS NOT the same as WW l & ll ! Bunch of electronic reliant kids, that don't even know what sex they are, whining about PTSD from the past few sand skirmishes we had. I'm thinking this time aroun, the 3 would beat the 1 ! |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 11:07:43 PM EDT
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Posts like this greatly overestimate the US position and underestimate the Chinese. US consumer economic power is in long term decline thanks to global free trade that has off-shored most of our manufacturing and left us with constant trade deficits. The EU market is bigger than the US market. China has been making inroads in Africa and South America. China is the number one manufacturing economy in the world. There will come a day when America's value to China is less than the cost, when it serves their interests better to fire up the asymmetric economic warfare against the US. The US, saddled with high debt and high deficits, is not in any position to dictate. If Treasury bonds tank as suggested by another poster, China coughs while the US comes down with Stage 4 metasticized lung cancer. The best cure for this situation is to eliminate the deficit. Congress and the President lack the will to do so, weakening the country. Reagan destroyed the USSR without firing a shot. He defeated them economically. China has learned the lesson. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 11:09:36 PM EDT
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I think this may be the dumbest post today, and pga has been all over the place. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Today's US military IS NOT the same as WW l & ll ! Bunch of electronic reliant kids, that don't even know what sex they are, whining about PTSD from the past few sand skirmishes we had. I'm thinking this time aroun, the 3 would beat the 1 ! |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 11:10:07 PM EDT
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A very insightful post. The world knows the USA cannot be defeated militarily. The way to defeat us is economically. That is where we are very vulnerable. Reagan destroyed the USSR without firing a shot. He defeated them economically. China has learned the lesson. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 11:13:38 PM EDT
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http://i.imgur.com/pH6sy6C.jpg Let me translate for the General: "Jump froggy. Jump. We'll nuke you back to the Stone Age." |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 11:25:34 PM EDT
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Love Mattis. Let me translate for the General: "Jump froggy. Jump. We'll nuke you back to the Stone Age." |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 11:33:24 PM EDT
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They don't want 25 million starving, brainwashed people with virtually zero skill set flooding across the border. Then it becomes their problem |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 11:34:45 PM EDT
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What is that, yesterday, for most of North Korea? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Love Mattis. Let me translate for the General: "Jump froggy. Jump. We'll nuke you back to the Stone Age." 
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Posted: 8/9/2017 11:43:07 PM EDT
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Sure they will. They have no choice. There is no upside to losing everything to save Kim which is why I think they might whack him first. If they sit back and let us roll through it projects weakness on the part of China and would invite further aggression towards them on our part like meddling in Taiwan. It would also send a signal to Japan that they could get away with establishing full time military operations on various disputed islands. I do think they may remove Un and I suspect they were responsible for his brothers death in order to prevent a Kim successor for when and if they do but I would not bank on China staying out of the fight if we were to invade N.K. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 11:46:41 PM EDT
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Posts like this greatly overestimate the US position and underestimate the Chinese. US consumer economic power is in long term decline thanks to global free trade that has off-shored most of our manufacturing and left us with constant trade deficits. The EU market is bigger than the US market. China has been making inroads in Africa and South America. China is the number one manufacturing economy in the world. There will come a day when America's value to China is less than the cost, when it serves their interests better to fire up the asymmetric economic warfare against the US. The US, saddled with high debt and high deficits, is not in any position to dictate. If Treasury bonds tank as suggested by another poster, China coughs while the US comes down with Stage 4 metasticized lung cancer. The best cure for this situation is to eliminate the deficit. Congress and the President lack the will to do so, weakening the country. |
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