Not looking good for France. More than 50% of cases in the ICU under 60 years old. Are we next? - Page 2

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Posted: 3/14/2020 5:20:19 PM EDT

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I can picture under reporting being a thing as opposed to over reporting.

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That would explain it, but with the exception of China's desire to mitigate their position in all this - what would under reporting actually achieve?

I mean we're talking a world wide health emergency...not a bunch of kids playing marbles in the dirt.

Posted: 3/14/2020 5:20:34 PM EDT

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That must be the reason their life expectancy is 79 years for males and 87 for females compared to 76.5 and 81 in US of A.

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Lots of countries have a habit of excluding still-births and premies from their life expectancy stats, while the US includes it. We also have much higher death rate sure to accidents, violence, and drug abuse.

Posted: 3/14/2020 5:21:16 PM EDT

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The EU should start a rumor that Africa is virus free.

Posted: 3/14/2020 5:21:37 PM EDT

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French people smoke like chimneys and eat shitty food

The reason they aren’t obese like the US is that they smoking keeps that number down

It should be no surprise the French have lung capacity issues.

Which in turn means Carona viri are going to hit them hard

Posted: 3/14/2020 5:23:16 PM EDT

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I read Mexico is calling mostly all COVID-19 cases the flu. There’s ways around reporting. I bet Mexico is crawling with COVID-19 especially there touristy areas that the Europeans, Asians, and Americans love.

Posted: 3/14/2020 5:23:20 PM EDT

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They are used to surrendering why should this time be any different.

Posted: 3/14/2020 5:23:54 PM EDT

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My son works for a large health care system here in Idaho, and was briefed yesterday that we can expect the U.S. to be 7-14 days behind Europe and whatever they're going through.

One can read between the lines between daily updates at the WH level, on down to health systems and see plain as day that this is developing into a no-shit crises. Additionally, the death rate for COVID-19 is four times that of the flu according to the numbers that his employer is working with. He fully expects to be working from home starting Monday.

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Why is it 4 times that of the flu? Is it because we only have enough test kits to test the most severely sick...bingo!

I working on the front lines today. I am watching it unfold in front of me. NOBODY qualifies for a test.

Posted: 3/14/2020 5:24:28 PM EDT

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I can picture under reporting being a thing as opposed to over reporting.

They are saying early testing helped as well.

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So, to what do we attribute Germany's low mortality rate?

Germany.
Confirmed: 4,515
Deaths: 8
Recovered: 46
Active: 4,461

I can picture under reporting being a thing as opposed to over reporting.

They are saying early testing helped as well.

Sooooo... this is fake news? And your news is real news.

K then.

Posted: 3/14/2020 5:24:32 PM EDT

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French people smoke like chimneys and eat shitty food

The reason they aren’t obese like the US is that they smoking keeps that number down

It should be no surprise the French have lung capacity issues.

Which in turn means Carona viri are going to hit them hard

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Posted: 3/14/2020 5:25:03 PM EDT

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I read Mexico is calling mostly all COVID-19 cases the flu. There's ways around reporting. I bet Mexico is crawling with COVID-19 especially there touristy areas that the Europeans, Asians, and Americans love.

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This I agree.

Posted: 3/14/2020 5:25:20 PM EDT

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And how many of those under 60 having the issues do not have other major underlying health issues?? They always seem to leave that part out...

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Yes,
Are these bad ass, healthy 50 somethings,
Or obese diabetics with CHF, COPD, etc.

Posted: 3/14/2020 5:25:58 PM EDT

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I read Mexico is calling mostly all COVID-19 cases the flu. There's ways around reporting. I bet Mexico is crawling with COVID-19 especially there touristy areas that the Europeans, Asians, and Americans love.

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Wouldn't over reporting make more sense than underreporting?

Wouldn't more sick folks net more international aide from the WHO, et al.

Posted: 3/14/2020 5:26:51 PM EDT

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Sooooo... this is fake news? And your news is real news.

K then.

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So, to what do we attribute Germany's low mortality rate?

Germany.
Confirmed: 4,515
Deaths: 8
Recovered: 46
Active: 4,461

I can picture under reporting being a thing as opposed to over reporting.

They are saying early testing helped as well.

Sooooo... this is fake news? And your news is real news.

K then.

Not sure what your implying.

People can choose to keep making excuses for why X amount of cases are in X country.

In order to even begin to properly prepare for something you kind of have to believe that it’s somewhat capable of happening here. If you don’t believe it can happen, then why bother.

Prepare for the worst and hope for the best.

Posted: 3/14/2020 5:27:20 PM EDT

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They exercise more and despite the smoking have better cardiovascular health.

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They also lack work stress. They get a lot of vacation and don’t work long hours. Firing someone in France is next to impossible. Years ago Alcatel was severely fined because people were in the office after 5 PM. French generally have better diets than we do as well. Portion sizes in the US are really out of whack with the most of the world, thus we have a higher obesity rate. The French are high for Europe but much, much less than the US. France was roughly 24% and the US 33.7%.

Posted: 3/14/2020 5:27:48 PM EDT

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I work for a major health care system. I’m hearing the same things. May is currently projected to be the worst month.

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It's no joke. His employer is budgeting emergency funds to recall retired nurses and other medical professionals to make up for a shortage in staff for an anticipated surge in patients, and the plan is to turn the parking garages into makeshift triage centers. From his perspective and from what he knows, the situation is worse than what's being reported.

Posted: 3/14/2020 5:28:16 PM EDT

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Wouldn't over reporting make more sense than underreporting?

Wouldn't more sick folks net more international aide from the WHO, et al.

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I read Mexico is calling mostly all COVID-19 cases the flu. There's ways around reporting. I bet Mexico is crawling with COVID-19 especially there touristy areas that the Europeans, Asians, and Americans love.

Wouldn't over reporting make more sense than underreporting?

Wouldn't more sick folks net more international aide from the WHO, et al.

Maybe they prefer tourism dollars to medical reimbursements / supplies.

Posted: 3/14/2020 5:28:21 PM EDT

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The EU should start a rumor that Africa is virus free.

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Posted: 3/14/2020 5:28:45 PM EDT

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So, to what do we attribute Germany's low mortality rate?

Germany.
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Deaths: 8
Recovered: 46
Active: 4,461

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Reportedly, Germany is differentiating into two different categories. Those who died because of the virus and those who died with the virus.

Posted: 3/14/2020 5:29:34 PM EDT

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The next 2 weeks will be very interesting here in the US. I work in healthcare. Not looking forward to it but am ready for the ride.

FRANCE NOW AT EPIDEMIC LEVEL. All restaurants, cafés, non-essential services closed. MORE THAN 50% OF THE 300 #COVID?19 CASES IN FRENCH ICUs ARE PEOPLE UNDER 60; France now has 4,500 cases, which doubled in the past 72 hours, said Jérôme Salomon, head of French health service.
Rachel Donadio (@RachelDonadio) March 14, 2020

PM of France: Starting at midnight tonight all restaurants, bars, retail stores, cinemas, gathering places CLOSED. Food stores & pharmacies open. Because # of people on respirators is rising dramatically. #COVID19 pic.twitter.com/4Y3QmfojTF
Rachel Donadio (@RachelDonadio) March 14, 2020

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Not possible!! GD told me Corona is nothingburger, people die every day, only boomers gonna die. France has it wrong and must do over to get it right!

Posted: 3/14/2020 5:29:51 PM EDT

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since when did high blood pressure put someone in the higher risk bracket for covid19?

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Since they began treating people in China. Some BP meds increase the number of receptor sites in the lungs that this virus attaches to. There several papers and articles about this on the web.

Posted: 3/14/2020 5:30:13 PM EDT

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Not sure what your implying.

People can choose to keep making excuses for why X amount of cases are in X country.

In order to even begin to properly prepare for something you kind of have to believe that it's somewhat capable of happening here. If you don't believe it can happen, then why bother.

Prepare for the worst and hope for the best.

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Prepare for the worst. Hope for the best. And quit with all the sky is falling right now hurry up and hide bull shit.

Posted: 3/14/2020 5:32:42 PM EDT

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A lot of y'all think this is a nothingburger. You are wrong. It hasn't had time to develop here yet. The good thing is, it appears to not harm small children, unless they are already sick with something else.

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It's almost as bad as the flu.

Almost.

Glorified cold.

Hypeburger.

Posted: 3/14/2020 5:33:12 PM EDT

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So, to what do we attribute Germany's low mortality rate?

Germany.
Confirmed: 4,515
Deaths: 8
Recovered: 46
Active: 4,461

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Recent infections, this thing kills slow.

8 dead, 46 recovered isn't exactly painting a rosy picture

Posted: 3/14/2020 5:33:16 PM EDT

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Lots of countries have a habit of excluding still-births and premies from their life expectancy stats, while the US includes it. We also have much higher death rate sure to accidents, violence, and drug abuse.

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Not to mention demographics.

Like with gun violence/murder, removing one demographic in the US gives completely different results and paints a different picture.

Of course, statistics are racist, so here we are, ignoring them......

Posted: 3/14/2020 5:33:59 PM EDT

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Maybe they prefer tourism dollars to medical reimbursements / supplies.

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People are actually still traveling?

This shit will never burn itself out...especially if it keeps mutating.

Posted: 3/14/2020 5:34:35 PM EDT

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Since they began treating people in China. Some BP meds increase the number of receptor sites in the lungs that this virus attaches to. There several papers and articles about this on the web.

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Would you do me a favor and point me to some (even one) article on this? I AM NOT trolling you, I sincerely want to learn more about this, as I have high BP

Posted: 3/14/2020 5:34:43 PM EDT

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And how many of those under 60 having the issues do not have other major underlying health issues?? They always seem to leave that part out...

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What's the percentage of the French population under 60?

Posted: 3/14/2020 5:34:56 PM EDT

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So, to what do we attribute Germany's low mortality rate?

Germany.
Confirmed: 4,515
Deaths: 8
Recovered: 46
Active: 4,461

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Germans are not allowed to get sick. It would interrupt good order.

Posted: 3/14/2020 5:35:32 PM EDT

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I work for a major health care system. I’m hearing the same things. May is currently projected to be the worst month.

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Damn it.

I was hoping April would be the peak, and we'd out of the woods by June.

Posted: 3/14/2020 5:35:38 PM EDT

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Thing is, you posted it as if it is a surprise or something and that is very disingenuous.. If you are older, or your health is already fucked up, yeah, you are in danger. In other news, water is wet. Same goes for a lot of the fatasses here with bad diabetes and asthma.

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Something like 40% of Americans are obese no telling how well they can handle the virus.

Posted: 3/14/2020 5:36:02 PM EDT

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So, to what do we attribute Germany's low mortality rate?

Germany.
Confirmed: 4,515
Deaths: 8
Recovered: 46
Active: 4,461

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I saw someone post that Germany is counting differently by differentiating between “died from” and “died with”

I guess the 8 would be “died from”.

An untold number have “died with”.

I don’t have a link. Think it was in the big thread.

Posted: 3/14/2020 5:36:30 PM EDT

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I don't think it was ever thought that younger people could not contract it, just that it was far less severe. Is the 50% stat about serious cases, or just more incomprehensible pandemic noises?

Posted: 3/14/2020 5:37:44 PM EDT

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WE ARE NEXT. I just ordered up my EPV200 Portable Ventilator. I'll be renting it out for 1 roll of Charmin per hour of breathing time, sealed 4 pack 4 hour minimum, any of you old wheezing fatties local to me hit me up.

Posted: 3/14/2020 5:37:53 PM EDT

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You should be promoted to upper management.

100%

Posted: 3/14/2020 5:38:01 PM EDT

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Under 60 thought it was over 60 that were getting put in ICU’s.

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Sounds like they are saving the ventilators for people under 70.

Didn't Sarah Palin or someone talk about death panels a few years ago?

Posted: 3/14/2020 5:38:03 PM EDT

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So, to what do we attribute Germany's low mortality rate?

Germany.
Confirmed: 4,515
Deaths: 8
Recovered: 46
Active: 4,461

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The "recovered" value is your clue to this equation. The fate of the other 4,461 people is TBD.

Posted: 3/14/2020 5:38:33 PM EDT

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People are actually still traveling?

This shit will never burn itself out...especially if it keeps mutating.

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Maybe they prefer tourism dollars to medical reimbursements / supplies.

People are actually still traveling?

This shit will never burn itself out...especially if it keeps mutating.

I got back from Cabo last weekend lol. Place was PACKED. Flight to Houston to Cabo and back the same way FULL.

Posted: 3/14/2020 5:39:55 PM EDT

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Recent infections, this thing kills slow.

8 dead, 46 recovered isn't exactly painting a rosy picture

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I was curious about the US recovery rate a few days ago.

The confirmed count went from like 600 to 1300...and the recovered count stayed at 8.

Made me curious why that was.

Now our confirmed infected count is at 2,572 and out recovered count is at 12.

Still wondering....

Posted: 3/14/2020 5:40:32 PM EDT

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Would you do me a favor and point me to some (even one) article on this? I AM NOT trolling you, I sincerely want to learn more about this, as I have high BP

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Since they began treating people in China. Some BP meds increase the number of receptor sites in the lungs that this virus attaches to. There several papers and articles about this on the web.

Would you do me a favor and point me to some (even one) article on this? I AM NOT trolling you, I sincerely want to learn more about this, as I have high BP

https://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-death-risk-could-higher-patients-high-blood-pressure-chinese-covid-19-doctor-claims-1490850

Posted: 3/14/2020 5:41:30 PM EDT

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My son works for a large health care system here in Idaho, and was briefed yesterday that we can expect the U.S. to be 7-14 days behind Europe and whatever they're going through.

One can read between the lines between daily updates at the WH level, on down to health systems and see plain as day that this is developing into a no-shit crises. Additionally, the death rate for COVID-19 is four times that of the flu according to the numbers that his employer is working with. He fully expects to be working from home starting Monday.

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Remember when this was a hoax? Pepperidge Farms remembers

Posted: 3/14/2020 5:41:53 PM EDT

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Probably because 95% of those filthy fuckers smoke

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Chinese are pretty big smokers too and lots of air pollution.

Posted: 3/14/2020 5:41:58 PM EDT

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Wouldn't over reporting make more sense than underreporting?

Wouldn't more sick folks net more international aide from the WHO, et al.

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I read Mexico is calling mostly all COVID-19 cases the flu. There's ways around reporting. I bet Mexico is crawling with COVID-19 especially there touristy areas that the Europeans, Asians, and Americans love.

Wouldn't over reporting make more sense than underreporting?

Wouldn't more sick folks net more international aide from the WHO, et al.

When tourism is a major portion of your economy the last thing you want to do is tell the world you have a bunch of cases of the virus everyone is afraid of at the moment.

Posted: 3/14/2020 5:42:44 PM EDT

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Would you do me a favor and point me to some (even one) article on this? I AM NOT trolling you, I sincerely want to learn more about this, as I have high BP

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Watch this series of videos. It's better info than 99.99% of what's out there.

@Rexbo43

Posted: 3/14/2020 5:43:03 PM EDT

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CIA.gov says France is 17th in the world for life expectancy, same chart says US is 43rd.

Posted: 3/14/2020 5:43:13 PM EDT

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I called this weeks ago that France would be hit hard because of smoking. Traditional greeting g is not good for these situations either.

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About smoking:

Smokers are less likely to get covd19 per this study

Posted: 3/14/2020 5:44:13 PM EDT

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So France is a third world shit hole too? Good to know.

Posted: 3/14/2020 5:44:16 PM EDT

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LOL. Another country another set of excuses why “it’s different for THEM”. You guys are amusing.

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Seriously no shit. It's hilarious to watch people try to make themselves feel better by coming up with any bullshit reason why we won't get it bad here. News flash. We are going to get hit and get hit hard. Whistling past the graveyard ain't gonna do shit.

Posted: 3/14/2020 5:45:23 PM EDT

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People are actually still traveling?

This shit will never burn itself out...especially if it keeps mutating.

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Maybe they prefer tourism dollars to medical reimbursements / supplies.

People are actually still traveling?

This shit will never burn itself out...especially if it keeps mutating.

In today’s world it is impossible to stop the spread. But we can slow it down with preventive measures so supplies and medical facilities can keep up with it. With respirator treatment the most severely affected stand a good chance to survive. But if facilities are hammered with instant overflow then many won’t get the full treatment.