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Posted: 11/3/2015 9:00:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Orange is explosive. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Where does it say it's a nuke  Dunno, but the hazmat placard on the trailer made me giggle. They should put a cute little mushroom cloud on the placard.  |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 9:01:58 PM EDT
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Anyone notice the helo in the background? Couldn't tell if it was a Huey or Blackhawk. QRF bird possibly? It would have been a Huey. http://www.af.mil/AboutUs/FactSheets/Display/tabid/224/Article/104464/uh-1n-iroquois.aspx |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 9:06:10 PM EDT
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What would be the purpose of moving a nuke? Decommissioning or upgrades? Something else? Periodic maintenance Lube job and rotate the warheads? Fuck if I know, I just guarded them when they came in from the silos |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 9:10:33 PM EDT
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What would be the purpose of moving a nuke? Decommissioning or upgrades? Something else? Periodic maintenance Lube job and rotate the warheads? And hang a new air freshener tree. "New Nuke" smell is the most popular. |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 9:11:50 PM EDT
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What would be the purpose of moving a nuke? Decommissioning or upgrades? Something else? Periodic maintenance Lube job and rotate the warheads? Fuck if I know, I just guarded them when they came in from the silos Did you ever see them or was it just a big shipping container? |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 9:12:35 PM EDT
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They are not shipped with the warhead. I used to work in the missle area at Hill AFB. They came in without them. I believe they are left at the silo.
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Posted: 11/3/2015 9:12:50 PM EDT
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What would be the purpose of moving a nuke? Decommissioning or upgrades? Something else? Periodic maintenance Lube job and rotate the warheads? Are you being cheeky? You realize these are big investments yes? |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 9:18:59 PM EDT
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Did you ever see them or was it just a big shipping container? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What would be the purpose of moving a nuke? Decommissioning or upgrades? Something else? Periodic maintenance Lube job and rotate the warheads? Fuck if I know, I just guarded them when they came in from the silos Did you ever see them or was it just a big shipping container? Yes, not as impressive as you would think. Would have walked past it and not even known it had the guy with me not pointed it out |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 9:19:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Heh! Not the first time. I think it was empty, but they managed to roll a nuke transporter in Minot. I used to get a kick out of it when I lived on a SAC base in the 80's. They would lock shit down tight when it was time for a move. The Missile Marshal's lock down shit down out in the middle of nowhere too |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 9:26:35 PM EDT
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Yes, not as impressive as you would think. Would have walked past it and not even known it had the guy with me not pointed it out Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Periodic maintenance Lube job and rotate the warheads? Fuck if I know, I just guarded them when they came in from the silos Did you ever see them or was it just a big shipping container? Yes, not as impressive as you would think. Would have walked past it and not even known it had the guy with me not pointed it out Even though you were working there was it a "do not touch, do not even walk towards it" kinda deal? |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 9:29:04 PM EDT
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What would be the purpose of moving a nuke? Decommissioning or upgrades? Something else? Periodic maintenance Lube job and rotate the warheads? Fuck if I know, I just guarded them when they came in from the silos Did you ever see them or was it just a big shipping container? This is a trainer version of the one that goes in a cruise missile (also publicly released): 
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Posted: 11/3/2015 9:33:04 PM EDT
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Heh! Not the first time. I think it was empty, but they managed to roll a nuke transporter in Minot. I used to get a kick out of it when I lived on a SAC base in the 80's. They would lock shit down tight when it was time for a move. Ditto at King's Bay. |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 9:36:34 PM EDT
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Never seen this video
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Posted: 11/3/2015 9:40:00 PM EDT
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This is a trainer version of the one that goes in a cruise missile (also publicly released): http://media.dma.mil/2012/Nov/03/2000100157/-1/-1/0/121102-F-AC123-003.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Periodic maintenance Lube job and rotate the warheads? Fuck if I know, I just guarded them when they came in from the silos Did you ever see them or was it just a big shipping container? This is a trainer version of the one that goes in a cruise missile (also publicly released): http://media.dma.mil/2012/Nov/03/2000100157/-1/-1/0/121102-F-AC123-003.JPG Holy shit! That small? It looks so innocuous. Plain. Like a spare part for something.  How would that compare to the WWII yields?
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Posted: 11/3/2015 9:44:32 PM EDT
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My aunt, who is a super hippy environmental PhD type, was the chief environmental something or other at Minot AFB for several years. She had to authorize the transportation and inspected the storage of any hazardous materials at the base including the nuclear weapons.
She quit right after the 2007 incident where they forgot the nukes on the B52 and flew it across the country because she was so scared that she was going to somehow catch some blame and it was sort of a last straw on the camels back thing. She spent much of her day telling the airmen not to use containers of fuel as propane heater stands, not to dump oil and paint into the ponds etc. According to her hippy skewed view the handling and storage of some pretty intense stuff was pretty lax, at least until the 2007 shakeup. |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 9:45:28 PM EDT
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Holy shit! That small? It looks so innocuous. Plain. Like a spare part for something. How would that compare to the WWII yields?From 1/5 to up to 6 times the yield |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 9:45:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Holy shit! That small? It looks so innocuous. Plain. Like a spare part for something. How would that compare to the WWII yields?Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This is a trainer version of the one that goes in a cruise missile (also publicly released): http://media.dma.mil/2012/Nov/03/2000100157/-1/-1/0/121102-F-AC123-003.JPG Holy shit! That small? It looks so innocuous. Plain. Like a spare part for something. How would that compare to the WWII yields?I think that's it |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 9:47:58 PM EDT
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Holy shit! That small? It looks so innocuous. Plain. Like a spare part for something. How would that compare to the WWII yields?The Fat Man and Little Boy were 21kt and 15kt respectively. The M80 is a variable 5-150kt yield. |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 9:54:36 PM EDT
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The Fat Man and Little Boy were 21kt and 15kt respectively. The M80 is a variable 5-150kt yield. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Holy shit! That small? It looks so innocuous. Plain. Like a spare part for something. How would that compare to the WWII yields?The Fat Man and Little Boy were 21kt and 15kt respectively. The M80 is a variable 5-150kt yield. W80-1 not truly variable. X number of selectable yields. Also, you're not gonna just pick that up and walk away, it's a few hundred pounds for that variation. ETA: What's really gonna fry your transistor is the fact that the most modern nuclear weapons in the arsenal had their designs frozen no later than 1989-90. You know, before PC's took off, cell phones, etc? |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 9:58:59 PM EDT
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seriously doubt it was a nuke.
Nukes are transported all the time around the US and they don't get the cluster of a convoy in the video. They are protected by escort vehicles but the semi truck and trailer are very stealth. |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 10:00:38 PM EDT
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seriously doubt it was a nuke. Nukes are transported all the time around the US and they don't get the cluster of a convoy in the video. They are protected by escort vehicles but the semi truck and trailer are very stealth. You are confusing DOE shipments with AF shipments. The video is of an Air Force shipment of resources. NNSA's stuff isn't very stealth, anymore, either. |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 10:01:20 PM EDT
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seriously doubt it was a nuke. Nukes are transported all the time around the US and they don't get the cluster of a convoy in the video. They are protected by escort vehicles but the semi truck and trailer are very stealth. There are DOE transports and there are DAF/DON convoys and their CONOPs are different |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 10:14:56 PM EDT
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seriously doubt it was a nuke. Nukes are transported all the time around the US and they don't get the cluster of a convoy in the video. They are protected by escort vehicles but the semi truck and trailer are very stealth. Not AF movements to and from the silos. Difference in DOE and AF movements. |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 10:34:34 PM EDT
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Not AF movements to and from the silos. Difference in DOE and AF movements. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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seriously doubt it was a nuke. Nukes are transported all the time around the US and they don't get the cluster of a convoy in the video. They are protected by escort vehicles but the semi truck and trailer are very stealth. Not AF movements to and from the silos. Difference in DOE and AF movements. Yep. DOE is pretty low key. |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 10:37:00 PM EDT
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Honestly...You would think there would be heavier weapons escorting that...
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Posted: 11/3/2015 10:40:09 PM EDT
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the bump was
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Posted: 11/3/2015 10:42:17 PM EDT
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Fuck it, we will never use it anyways with our pussies in charge in DC
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Posted: 11/3/2015 10:42:24 PM EDT
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W80-1 not truly variable. X number of selectable yields. Also, you're not gonna just pick that up and walk away, it's a few hundred pounds for that variation. ETA: What's really gonna fry your transistor is the fact that the most modern nuclear weapons in the arsenal had their designs frozen no later than 1989-90. You know, before PC's took off, cell phones, etc? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Holy shit! That small? It looks so innocuous. Plain. Like a spare part for something. How would that compare to the WWII yields?The Fat Man and Little Boy were 21kt and 15kt respectively. The M80 is a variable 5-150kt yield. W80-1 not truly variable. X number of selectable yields. Also, you're not gonna just pick that up and walk away, it's a few hundred pounds for that variation. ETA: What's really gonna fry your transistor is the fact that the most modern nuclear weapons in the arsenal had their designs frozen no later than 1989-90. You know, before PC's took off, cell phones, etc? 10 TIMES as powerful as Little Boy.  The link that SB provided (thanks!) says that damn thing weighs 290 lbs! And that the spherical thermonuclear secondary is in the smaller diameter rounded "nose" of the warhead. The "smaller" part. That is amazing. Man, I usually don't feel THIS ignorant.  The part you added about the designs being frozen just means the ones we've already made, not like we haven't kept designing and improving potential new ones, just in case, right? What treaty stopped new production? SALT II is the only one that vaguely rings a bell and I think that was more intercontinental stuff.
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Posted: 11/3/2015 10:46:14 PM EDT
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Great Falls, MT....Malmstrom AFB Yep. Did missile security there. |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 10:46:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuck it, we will never use it anyways That's what it was designed for. |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 10:55:21 PM EDT
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You are confusing DOE shipments with AF shipments. The video is of an Air Force shipment of resources. NNSA's stuff isn't very stealth, anymore, either. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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seriously doubt it was a nuke. Nukes are transported all the time around the US and they don't get the cluster of a convoy in the video. They are protected by escort vehicles but the semi truck and trailer are very stealth. You are confusing DOE shipments with AF shipments. The video is of an Air Force shipment of resources. NNSA's stuff isn't very stealth, anymore, either. No they're not. |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 10:56:49 PM EDT
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And of course the 'respect muh authority' cop caused it all.
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Posted: 11/3/2015 10:58:17 PM EDT
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No, probably not even a Dull Sword or Bent Spear. If they would have stopped then you would have had an incident. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Broken arrow? No, probably not even a Dull Sword or Bent Spear. If they would have stopped then you would have had an incident. What type of incident? |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 11:00:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That semi trailer must be beat up pretty bad by now with all the times we've seen it hit here in GD. |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 11:13:02 PM EDT
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10 TIMES as powerful as Little Boy. The link that SB provided (thanks!) says that damn thing weighs 290 lbs! And that the spherical thermonuclear secondary is in the smaller diameter rounded "nose" of the warhead. The "smaller" part. That is amazing. Man, I usually don't feel THIS ignorant. The part you added about the designs being frozen just means the ones we've already made, not like we haven't kept designing and improving potential new ones, just in case, right? What treaty stopped new production? SALT II is the only one that vaguely rings a bell and I think that was more intercontinental stuff.Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Holy shit! That small? It looks so innocuous. Plain. Like a spare part for something. How would that compare to the WWII yields?The Fat Man and Little Boy were 21kt and 15kt respectively. The M80 is a variable 5-150kt yield. W80-1 not truly variable. X number of selectable yields. Also, you're not gonna just pick that up and walk away, it's a few hundred pounds for that variation. ETA: What's really gonna fry your transistor is the fact that the most modern nuclear weapons in the arsenal had their designs frozen no later than 1989-90. You know, before PC's took off, cell phones, etc? 10 TIMES as powerful as Little Boy. The link that SB provided (thanks!) says that damn thing weighs 290 lbs! And that the spherical thermonuclear secondary is in the smaller diameter rounded "nose" of the warhead. The "smaller" part. That is amazing. Man, I usually don't feel THIS ignorant. The part you added about the designs being frozen just means the ones we've already made, not like we haven't kept designing and improving potential new ones, just in case, right? What treaty stopped new production? SALT II is the only one that vaguely rings a bell and I think that was more intercontinental stuff.It's a Small can of Sunshine....... the scary thing is when you realize that when it was built the Bomb Bays on a B-52 could carry ONE weapon each |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 11:14:22 PM EDT
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And of course the 'respect muh authority' cop caused it all. Not surprised. Taking pictures of or harassing nuclear comvoys is a great way to get the FBI to interview you. |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 11:15:25 PM EDT
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Broken arrow? No, probably not even a Dull Sword or Bent Spear. If they would have stopped then you would have had an incident. What type of incident? The convoy commander would have declared himself god and ruled as he saw fit. |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 11:17:36 PM EDT
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Broken arrow? It's been a while, but that would probably be called a Dull Sword if memory serves me correctly. Somebody's going to get their driving privilege revoked at the very least over that little bumper tap. Probably every driver in that convoy is going to be going back to school over that incident, too. |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 11:19:43 PM EDT
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Broken arrow? No, probably not even a Dull Sword or Bent Spear. If they would have stopped then you would have had an incident. What type of incident? I last worked missile security in the 80's so others will correct this with what is the most current. It was a minor vehicle accident, they continued driving and did not stop. If you worked nukes this would be what you would expect. I imagine the Maintenance Officer and SF Officer (convoy Commander) made quick radio calls and asked if everyone's vehicle was capable of driving and to push on. Last thing you want to do is stop. Broken Arrow, does not apply as their was no loss of the nuclear resource, compromise of the weapon system or danger to the public. Dull Sword, does not apply as this was not a significant incident involving the transport of nuclear weapons. Bent Spear, is the closest that applies as it involves transport and is a minor incident, but it does not appear to have impaired the transport. They may look at it as a Bent Spear after the fact. They will investigate what happened and what caused the collision. Then again they may look at it as a procedure or security violation (such as vehicles are not to collide or follow to closely) that does not warrant the reporting of a nuclear incident. |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 11:22:30 PM EDT
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seriously doubt it was a nuke. Nukes are transported all the time around the US and they don't get the cluster of a convoy in the video. They are protected by escort vehicles but the semi truck and trailer are very stealth. Big difference between over the road transport and missile field transport. Over the road shipment is very stealthy, as you mentioned. Going from the weapons storage igloo on base to a silo is the circus parade we saw in the video. |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 11:45:02 PM EDT
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Weird. Those aren't Peacekeepers, but they kind of look like them. I'd think that vid was 15 years old if it wasn't for the tan Humvee.
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Posted: 11/3/2015 11:50:16 PM EDT
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Broken arrow? Bent Spear, at worst. In this case, not even a Dented Bumper. 
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Posted: 11/3/2015 11:52:38 PM EDT
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Weird. Those aren't Peacekeepers Sleep Keepers, but they kind of look like them. I'd think that vid was 15 years old if it wasn't for the tan Humvee. |
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Posted: 11/4/2015 12:13:32 AM EDT
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Was there an incident with a New Mexico hiway patrol a while back?
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Posted: 11/4/2015 12:16:45 AM EDT
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Was there an incident with a New Mexico hiway patrol a while back? Wut. |
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Posted: 11/4/2015 12:26:08 AM EDT
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Was there an incident with a New Mexico hiway patrol a while back? Wut. Hoping someone here had more info. |
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Posted: 11/4/2015 2:26:53 AM EDT
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Honestly...You would think there would be heavier weapons escorting that... lol, MK19's, M240's, helicopter escort, in bumfuck Montana. I think the nukes are safe. |
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Posted: 11/4/2015 2:52:00 AM EDT
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I last worked missile security in the 80's so others will correct this with what is the most current. It was a minor vehicle accident, they continued driving and did not stop. If you worked nukes this would be what you would expect. I imagine the Maintenance Officer and SF Officer (convoy Commander) made quick radio calls and asked if everyone's vehicle was capable of driving and to push on. Last thing you want to do is stop. Broken Arrow, does not apply as their was no loss of the nuclear resource, compromise of the weapon system or danger to the public. Dull Sword, does not apply as this was not a significant incident involving the transport of nuclear weapons. Bent Spear, is the closest that applies as it involves transport and is a minor incident, but it does not appear to have impaired the transport. They may look at it as a Bent Spear after the fact. They will investigate what happened and what caused the collision. Then again they may look at it as a procedure or security violation (such as vehicles are not to collide or follow to closely) that does not warrant the reporting of a nuclear incident. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Broken arrow? No, probably not even a Dull Sword or Bent Spear. If they would have stopped then you would have had an incident. What type of incident? I last worked missile security in the 80's so others will correct this with what is the most current. It was a minor vehicle accident, they continued driving and did not stop. If you worked nukes this would be what you would expect. I imagine the Maintenance Officer and SF Officer (convoy Commander) made quick radio calls and asked if everyone's vehicle was capable of driving and to push on. Last thing you want to do is stop. Broken Arrow, does not apply as their was no loss of the nuclear resource, compromise of the weapon system or danger to the public. Dull Sword, does not apply as this was not a significant incident involving the transport of nuclear weapons. Bent Spear, is the closest that applies as it involves transport and is a minor incident, but it does not appear to have impaired the transport. They may look at it as a Bent Spear after the fact. They will investigate what happened and what caused the collision. Then again they may look at it as a procedure or security violation (such as vehicles are not to collide or follow to closely) that does not warrant the reporting of a nuclear incident. I'm sure Bent Spear would have had some "media" criteria added to the SOP in this day and age. |
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Posted: 11/4/2015 3:04:07 AM EDT
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It was difficult to make out what number was on the placard, but I doubt they would haul a nuke like that. We used to do it all the time. |
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Posted: 11/4/2015 3:05:07 AM EDT
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Where does it say it's a nuke Dunno, but the hazmat placard on the trailer made me giggle. Yeah, duh, to the best of my knowledge nukes just don't go off by themselves. There are a lot of safeguards. 
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