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Posted: 1/4/2022 3:35:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryCount your blessing. I'm rocking a EVGA GTX 780 that I had to bake in the oven to bring it back from the dead. 
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Posted: 1/4/2022 3:35:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: thats reality well over 90% of gamers running a 20xx right now. if moving from 130 fps to 150 fps is really important to you drop the money on it and show your epeen. it's not noticeable in the slightest in any practical application. crypo is why whatever the current gen GPUs are priced like they are. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The 2080 is still powerful enough for most games, and more importantly the dude has one. A graphics card that exists is better than one that doesn't. thats reality well over 90% of gamers running a 20xx right now. if moving from 130 fps to 150 fps is really important to you drop the money on it and show your epeen. it's not noticeable in the slightest in any practical application. crypo is why whatever the current gen GPUs are priced like they are. The most recent Steam Hardware Survey disagrees with you. |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 3:49:26 PM EDT
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I upgraded from watercooled EVGA 780Tis in SLI bought in December 2013 to a single EVGA 2070 late 2018. 2070 died, and while waiting on the RMA I pulled the trigger on a newly launched 2080 Super FTW and put it on water. Sold the RMA replacement 2070 for what I paid for it, and only paid retail for the 2080.
Been happy enough with the 2080 Super that I have no plans to upgrade until the 4000 series. |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 3:51:06 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah but the graphs from the three people who will manage to get one will sure look nice. Think of all the dreams of decent fps you could have while looking at reviews! |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 4:11:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Count your blessing. I'm rocking a EVGA GTX 780 that I had to bake in the oven to bring it back from the dead. Quote HistoryQuoted: Count your blessing. I'm rocking a EVGA GTX 780 that I had to bake in the oven to bring it back from the dead. That sounds like my card prior to the 970. Endless problems as it approached and then flew past end of expected life. I had a  Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The 2080 is still powerful enough for most games, and more importantly the dude has one. A graphics card that exists is better than one that doesn't. thats reality well over 90% of gamers running a 20xx right now. if moving from 130 fps to 150 fps is really important to you drop the money on it and show your epeen. it's not noticeable in the slightest in any practical application. crypo is why whatever the current gen GPUs are priced like they are. The most recent Steam Hardware Survey disagrees with you. I'm not sure how he legitimately had the impression that 90%+ of gamers have a 2000 series GPU.  I expect that the vast majority of those cards out there are mining - not gaming. |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 4:14:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The 2080 is still powerful enough for most games, and more importantly the dude has one. A graphics card that exists is better than one that doesn't. thats reality well over 90% of gamers running a 20xx right now. if moving from 130 fps to 150 fps is really important to you drop the money on it and show your epeen. it's not noticeable in the slightest in any practical application. crypo is why whatever the current gen GPUs are priced like they are. The most recent Steam Hardware Survey disagrees with you. My 3060Ti was a monumental upgrade over my 1050Ti, but even 1080 series cards are still holding their own. |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 4:41:52 PM EDT
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Quoted: It’s going to stay in the EE because it’s priced $100+ too high Good to know, I just priced it specifically off of identical cards. But, it isn't a super common card, so I think another price cut to bring it in line with all the other 1060s will be in order by the looks of it. |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 4:42:30 PM EDT
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Well, this is the exact one I have: ZOTAC GAMING GeForce RTX 2080 Ti AMP 11GB GDDR6 352-Bit SPECTRA RGB LED Metal Backplate Graphics Card - ZT-T20810D-10P
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07GFTJCW5/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&;psc=1 Sorry for the bad link, Amazon wont allow me to tag the ASIN number... I guess since it is no longer available. I really need to tweak this thing out. I know I am not getting everything I should out of it. Im only pulling 30-50 fps in DCS with medium settings. It is driving a SAMSUNG LC49RG90SSNXZA 49-Inch CRG9 Curved Gaming Monitor, Black, QHD, 120Hz at 5120x1440 using TrackIR. I would really like to get the Samsung O+ back up and running again soon. With my specs, I should be pushing a lot better than what I am now. Im just not sure how to configure the damn Nvidia Control Panel and the Configs in DCS. I really wish the software developers would start cleaning up their shit coding and streamline to existing hardware instead of bloating it out to run under the next best thing. Current specs: Intel i7 9700k 64GB DDR4 (Corsair) Gigabyte Z390 Master RTX 2080 Ti AMP 11gb 500GB Sabrent Rocket (System) 1TB XPG Gammix S11 Pro M.2 (DCS) Windows 11 64-bit Pro Samsung 49" 4K CRG9 Monitor (5120x1440) Samsung Odyssey Plus TrackIR Thrustmaster Warthog Hotas Various streamdecks, button boxes Logitech Pro Rudder Pedals Corsair K95 Platinum, Iron Claw mouse |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 4:47:18 PM EDT
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I went with the Radeon RX6900XT with 16GB of GDDR6.
Good enough for me. |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 5:17:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good to know, I just priced it specifically off of identical cards. But, it isn't a super common card, so I think another price cut to bring it in line with all the other 1060s will be in order by the looks of it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It’s going to stay in the EE because it’s priced $100+ too high Good to know, I just priced it specifically off of identical cards. But, it isn't a super common card, so I think another price cut to bring it in line with all the other 1060s will be in order by the looks of it. Hopefully my post didn’t read too douchy These older cards might be a bit tougher to sell at a high price. The 10 series is going on 5 years. +\- some $ but generally: 1080ti - 550 1080 - 450 1070ti - 375 1070 - 325 1060 - 250 which is close to rx480 at 250 6600xt can be had for 550 at certain times and are readily available for 650. They perform around 1080ti levels and come with a warranty. |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 5:25:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hopefully my post didn’t read too douchy These older cards might be a bit tougher to sell at a high price. The 10 series is going on 5 years. +\- some $ but generally: 1080ti - 550 1080 - 450 1070ti - 375 1070 - 325 1060 - 250 which is close to rx480 at 250 6600xt can be had for 550 at certain times and are readily available for 650. They perform around 1080ti levels and come with a warranty. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: It’s going to stay in the EE because it’s priced $100+ too high Good to know, I just priced it specifically off of identical cards. But, it isn't a super common card, so I think another price cut to bring it in line with all the other 1060s will be in order by the looks of it. Hopefully my post didn’t read too douchy These older cards might be a bit tougher to sell at a high price. The 10 series is going on 5 years. +\- some $ but generally: 1080ti - 550 1080 - 450 1070ti - 375 1070 - 325 1060 - 250 which is close to rx480 at 250 6600xt can be had for 550 at certain times and are readily available for 650. They perform around 1080ti levels and come with a warranty. Those are some nutty prices. I'm glad I'm satisfied with "good enough" for gaming. |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 5:26:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Snagged my 3080ti FE at BB a little over a month ago at MSRP  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I paid $850 for a RTX 3060ti last month. Feel like I got a steal in this current market Snagged my 3080ti FE at BB a little over a month ago at MSRP Got my 3070FE day 1 for MSRP, feels good man 
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Posted: 1/4/2022 5:30:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Those are some nutty prices. I'm glad I'm satisfied with "good enough" for gaming. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It’s going to stay in the EE because it’s priced $100+ too high Good to know, I just priced it specifically off of identical cards. But, it isn't a super common card, so I think another price cut to bring it in line with all the other 1060s will be in order by the looks of it. Hopefully my post didn’t read too douchy These older cards might be a bit tougher to sell at a high price. The 10 series is going on 5 years. +\- some $ but generally: 1080ti - 550 1080 - 450 1070ti - 375 1070 - 325 1060 - 250 which is close to rx480 at 250 6600xt can be had for 550 at certain times and are readily available for 650. They perform around 1080ti levels and come with a warranty. Those are some nutty prices. I'm glad I'm satisfied with "good enough" for gaming. For sure. I tried my best to get a 2080ti for $750 when the 3000 series were announced. I wasn’t quick enough. Now a 2080ti still goes for about $1000 The same price as a second hand Click To View Spoiler |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 5:37:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For sure. I tried my best to get a 2080ti for $750 when the 3000 series were announced. I wasn’t quick enough. Now a 2080ti still goes for about $1000 The same price as a second hand Click To View Spoiler Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It’s going to stay in the EE because it’s priced $100+ too high Good to know, I just priced it specifically off of identical cards. But, it isn't a super common card, so I think another price cut to bring it in line with all the other 1060s will be in order by the looks of it. Hopefully my post didn’t read too douchy These older cards might be a bit tougher to sell at a high price. The 10 series is going on 5 years. +\- some $ but generally: 1080ti - 550 1080 - 450 1070ti - 375 1070 - 325 1060 - 250 which is close to rx480 at 250 6600xt can be had for 550 at certain times and are readily available for 650. They perform around 1080ti levels and come with a warranty. Those are some nutty prices. I'm glad I'm satisfied with "good enough" for gaming. For sure. I tried my best to get a 2080ti for $750 when the 3000 series were announced. I wasn’t quick enough. Now a 2080ti still goes for about $1000 The same price as a second hand Click To View Spoiler For $1000 I'd rather pony up the extra seven hundred bucks and get a prebuilt gaming PC with a 3060 or spend the two grand and just get one with a 3070. |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 5:46:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For sure. I tried my best to get a 2080ti for $750 when the 3000 series were announced. I wasn’t quick enough. Now a 2080ti still goes for about $1000 The same price as a second hand Click To View Spoiler Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It’s going to stay in the EE because it’s priced $100+ too high Good to know, I just priced it specifically off of identical cards. But, it isn't a super common card, so I think another price cut to bring it in line with all the other 1060s will be in order by the looks of it. Hopefully my post didn’t read too douchy These older cards might be a bit tougher to sell at a high price. The 10 series is going on 5 years. +\- some $ but generally: 1080ti - 550 1080 - 450 1070ti - 375 1070 - 325 1060 - 250 which is close to rx480 at 250 6600xt can be had for 550 at certain times and are readily available for 650. They perform around 1080ti levels and come with a warranty. Those are some nutty prices. I'm glad I'm satisfied with "good enough" for gaming. For sure. I tried my best to get a 2080ti for $750 when the 3000 series were announced. I wasn’t quick enough. Now a 2080ti still goes for about $1000 The same price as a second hand Click To View Spoiler 1k for a 3070 to replace my 2x980ti isn't bad, considering those cards were 500 a piece back then and the jump in performance. Just have to decide on what monitors I'm going to buy |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 5:54:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 1k for a 3070 to replace my 2x980ti isn't bad, considering those cards were 500 a piece back then and the jump in performance. Just have to decide on what monitors I'm going to buy I am not saying don't buy it, the current market is what it is, but it's important to understand that you are talking about paying double the MSRP for a 3070, and it's used hardware. Did it have a nice life playing minecraft for 10 hours a week or was it beat to death mining crypto for the past year? Nobody knows. |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 6:02:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I mean...it is bad. He is talking about a used 3070. The MSRP for a brand new 3080, a reasonably better card, is supposed to be $700. I am not saying don't buy it, the current market is what it is, but it's important to understand that you are talking about about paying double the MSRP for a 3070, and it's used hardware. Did it have a nice life playing minecraft for 10 hours a week or was it beat to death mining crypto for the past year? Nobody knows. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 1k for a 3070 to replace my 2x980ti isn't bad, considering those cards were 500 a piece back then and the jump in performance. Just have to decide on what monitors I'm going to buy I am not saying don't buy it, the current market is what it is, but it's important to understand that you are talking about about paying double the MSRP for a 3070, and it's used hardware. Did it have a nice life playing minecraft for 10 hours a week or was it beat to death mining crypto for the past year? Nobody knows. On the bright side - prebuilt gaming PCs sure are convenient.
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Posted: 1/4/2022 6:07:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: On the bright side - prebuilt gaming PCs sure are convenient. New Lian Li Dynamic case, new way over kill Seasonic platinum PSU, new good case fans, new AIO water cooler adaptable to either major platform..... Now I can't get the fun stuff... 
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Posted: 1/4/2022 6:09:11 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I got a PS5 on launch day, so of course I used up all of my luck on that and can't find a new GPU to save my life. |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 6:09:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: On the bright side - prebuilt gaming PCs sure are convenient. Prebuilts were a "deal" at the beginning of the year, but many of them have caught on and you end up paying the same GPU premium as you would have just buying the GPU itself. My brother in law paid $1500 for a desktop with a 1050 in it. I told him not to do it as the computer he was replacing already had a 1050 in it. He buys it anyways and then bitches at me that it's not any faster. Absolute waste of $1500. 
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Posted: 1/4/2022 6:12:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hopefully my post didn’t read too douchy These older cards might be a bit tougher to sell at a high price. The 10 series is going on 5 years. +\- some $ but generally: 1080ti - 550 1080 - 450 1070ti - 375 1070 - 325 1060 - 250 which is close to rx480 at 250 6600xt can be had for 550 at certain times and are readily available for 650. They perform around 1080ti levels and come with a warranty. Sounds like those prices are pretty accurate. Found my exact card used on Fleabay, $255 with about a day left. Looks like the buy it nows for $400 I priced mine off of are dreaming. I have been impressed with the ol 1060s performance in Cyberpunk and Halo. But it is an old card for sure. |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 6:13:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Prebuilts were a "deal" at the beginning of the year, but many of them have caught on and you end up paying the same GPU premium as you would have just buying the GPU itself. My brother in law paid $1500 for a desktop with a 1050 in it. I told him not to do it as the computer he was replacing already had a 1050 in it. He buys it anyways and then bitches at me that it's not any faster. Absolute waste of $1500. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: On the bright side - prebuilt gaming PCs sure are convenient. Prebuilts were a "deal" at the beginning of the year, but many of them have caught on and you end up paying the same GPU premium as you would have just buying the GPU itself. My brother in law paid $1500 for a desktop with a 1050 in it. I told him not to do it as the computer he was replacing already had a 1050 in it. He buys it anyways and then bitches at me that it's not any faster. Absolute waste of $1500. You can - right now - get a gaming PC with a 3060 for $1700. |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 6:15:37 PM EDT
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This is nuts! I’m still rocking an R9 280X from maybe 2013 and it still does great. Granted, the only game I play is War Thunder
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Posted: 1/4/2022 6:16:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Honestly kind of regret not selling my PS5. I built a PC right after and have hardly played the PS5. I played Demon Souls which was excellent, and the only other game im really looking fwd to is Elden Ring. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I got a PS5 on launch day, so of course I used up all of my luck on that and can't find a new GPU to save my life. I'm a long-time PC gamer, but I've had every PS since PS2 on launch day. It's the one console I'll spring for every generation, guaranteed. But yeah, that first year was a little lackluster. With all the COVID delays in games, it kinda was meh. |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 6:16:20 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I mean...it is bad. He is talking about a used 3070. The MSRP for a brand new 3080, a reasonably better card, is supposed to be $700. I am not saying don't buy it, the current market is what it is, but it's important to understand that you are talking about paying double the MSRP for a 3070, and it's used hardware. Did it have a nice life playing minecraft for 10 hours a week or was it beat to death mining crypto for the past year? Nobody knows. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 1k for a 3070 to replace my 2x980ti isn't bad, considering those cards were 500 a piece back then and the jump in performance. Just have to decide on what monitors I'm going to buy I am not saying don't buy it, the current market is what it is, but it's important to understand that you are talking about paying double the MSRP for a 3070, and it's used hardware. Did it have a nice life playing minecraft for 10 hours a week or was it beat to death mining crypto for the past year? Nobody knows. $1000 can get you a NIB 3070 on the secondary market. i.e scalper or reseller. If it’s EVGA, the warranty can transfer. Outside of that, yes, everyone agrees the market is fucked at the moment. |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 6:17:42 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: MSRP 3090? |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 6:17:52 PM EDT
[#27]
Can't find any 30XX series card without paying scalper prices.
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Posted: 1/4/2022 6:24:05 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Can't find any 30XX series card without paying scalper prices. Sign up for EVGA's queue system I was able to get a 3080ti FTW Ultra for retail prices after waiting about 6 weeks |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 6:24:20 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You can - right now - get a gaming PC with a 3060 for $1700. I mean yeah, he could have gotten a much better deal if he wasn't so impatient and bought the first thing that showed up at Best Buy, but it was just last Christmas that I was highly suggesting him to buy a premade there for $1300 that had a 2080 in it. |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 6:25:53 PM EDT
[#30]
Will there be videos of mad dashes to the doors of Micro Center?
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Posted: 1/4/2022 6:28:07 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sign up for EVGA's queue system I was able to get a 3080ti FTW Ultra for retail prices after waiting about 6 weeks |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 6:28:10 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sign up for EVGA's queue system I was able to get a 3080ti FTW Ultra for retail prices after waiting about 6 weeks Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Can't find any 30XX series card without paying scalper prices. Sign up for EVGA's queue system I was able to get a 3080ti FTW Ultra for retail prices after waiting about 6 weeks The queue system shut down back in October. |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 6:30:38 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: thats reality well over 90% of gamers running a 20xx right now. if moving from 130 fps to 150 fps is really important to you drop the money on it and show your epeen. it's not noticeable in the slightest in any practical application. crypo is why whatever the current gen GPUs are priced like they are. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The 2080 is still powerful enough for most games, and more importantly the dude has one. A graphics card that exists is better than one that doesn't. thats reality well over 90% of gamers running a 20xx right now. if moving from 130 fps to 150 fps is really important to you drop the money on it and show your epeen. it's not noticeable in the slightest in any practical application. crypo is why whatever the current gen GPUs are priced like they are. Card makers have backed themselves into a corner. If you can hold 60 fps or more in your games, they have nothing. Everyone seems to think they have to have triple digits. No ... no, you don't. As long as you don't drop below 30fps minimum, things are playable just fine unless you're playing for money in a shooter or something that requires extreme twitch. I see zero point in paying attention to any new card release until prices cut in half or more and are available at those prices. Till than, it's just meaningless talk. |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 6:32:32 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Card makers have backed themselves into a corner. If you can hold 60 fps or more in your games, they have nothing. Everyone seems to think they have to have triple digits. No ... no, you don't. As long as you don't drop below 30fps minimum, things are playable just fine unless you're playing for money in a shooter or something that requires extreme twitch. I see zero point in paying attention to any new card release until prices cut in half or more and are available at those prices. Till than, it's just meaningless talk. Or....one of those who has some sort of eyeball to brain problem and is unable to see it. I can spot 60fps in a second now and it looks like dog shit on a cracker. Never going back. Ever. |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 6:34:53 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I would love to upgrade from my current 980, but the 3080 and 3080ti have been just about completely unavailable since launch unless you want to pay stupid prices to scalpers. It's quite frustrating. I like that Nvida is continuing to improve but FFS, it almost doesn't matter when FIFY |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 6:39:05 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Card makers have backed themselves into a corner. If you can hold 60 fps or more in your games, they have nothing. Everyone seems to think they have to have triple digits. No ... no, you don't. As long as you don't drop below 30fps minimum, things are playable just fine unless you're playing for money in a shooter or something that requires extreme twitch. I see zero point in paying attention to any new card release until prices cut in half or more and are available at those prices. Till than, it's just meaningless talk. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The 2080 is still powerful enough for most games, and more importantly the dude has one. A graphics card that exists is better than one that doesn't. thats reality well over 90% of gamers running a 20xx right now. if moving from 130 fps to 150 fps is really important to you drop the money on it and show your epeen. it's not noticeable in the slightest in any practical application. crypo is why whatever the current gen GPUs are priced like they are. Card makers have backed themselves into a corner. If you can hold 60 fps or more in your games, they have nothing. Everyone seems to think they have to have triple digits. No ... no, you don't. As long as you don't drop below 30fps minimum, things are playable just fine unless you're playing for money in a shooter or something that requires extreme twitch. I see zero point in paying attention to any new card release until prices cut in half or more and are available at those prices. Till than, it's just meaningless talk. lol |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 6:45:35 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The queue closed months ago and no new entries are allowed. I have been waiting on my card for about 6 months now, based on how the queue is moving, there is a reasonable chance that my turn will never come before the next generation rolls around. Yikes, I did not know that. It really is bad out there for gfx cards.. |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 6:49:30 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The words of a man who is running a 60mhz monitor and has never seen the light of 144fps with Gsync. Or....one of those who has some sort of eyeball to brain problem and is unable to see it. I can spot 60fps in a second now and it looks like dog shit on a cracker. Never going back. Ever. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Card makers have backed themselves into a corner. If you can hold 60 fps or more in your games, they have nothing. Everyone seems to think they have to have triple digits. No ... no, you don't. As long as you don't drop below 30fps minimum, things are playable just fine unless you're playing for money in a shooter or something that requires extreme twitch. I see zero point in paying attention to any new card release until prices cut in half or more and are available at those prices. Till than, it's just meaningless talk. Or....one of those who has some sort of eyeball to brain problem and is unable to see it. I can spot 60fps in a second now and it looks like dog shit on a cracker. Never going back. Ever. Sonny, call back when you've seen a quality CRT at 1200x1600 running a solid 120 fps. Currently (I'm a dirty poor) running an viewsonic XG 2402 144 fps monitor that does gsynch on a 1650. Yes, I have seen the difference. If you can hold a rock-solid minimum of 30 fps, you can play games just fine. Is (real) 120 fps and up sweetness and light? Yes. But you don't have to have it. Pepperidge farms remembers and tells nvidia and amd/ati to take a hike until the prices come back to sanity and things are available at those prices. |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 6:52:53 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: *hikes up his old man pants* Sonny, call back when you've seen a quality CRT at 1200x1600 running a solid 120 fps. Currently (I'm a dirty poor) running an viewsonic XG 2402 144 fps monitor that does gsynch on a 1650. Yes, I have seen the difference. If you can hold a rock-solid minimum of 30 fps, you can play games just fine. Is (real) 120 fps and up sweetness and light? Yes. But you don't have to have it. Pepperidge farms remembers and tells nvidia and amd/ati to take a hike until the prices come back to sanity and things are available at those prices. Card markers haven't painted themselves into a corner or whatever. The market calls for better and faster than we have right now. The market will also clearly pay substantially more than the asking price for it. |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 7:03:02 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Turning money into heat. I can shut off the valve for the in floor heat in my office and my 3090 will heat the room with the door closed to a comfortable temp in the Minnesota winter. That’s just from being on, if I am mining or gaming it can get warm in there. It is ridiculous hopefully the can do something with the Ti to help. |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 7:05:14 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I mean...it is bad. He is talking about a used 3070. The MSRP for a brand new 3080, a reasonably better card, is supposed to be $700. I am not saying don't buy it, the current market is what it is, but it's important to understand that you are talking about paying double the MSRP for a 3070, and it's used hardware. Did it have a nice life playing minecraft for 10 hours a week or was it beat to death mining crypto for the past year? Nobody knows. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 1k for a 3070 to replace my 2x980ti isn't bad, considering those cards were 500 a piece back then and the jump in performance. Just have to decide on what monitors I'm going to buy I am not saying don't buy it, the current market is what it is, but it's important to understand that you are talking about paying double the MSRP for a 3070, and it's used hardware. Did it have a nice life playing minecraft for 10 hours a week or was it beat to death mining crypto for the past year? Nobody knows. Oh I wasn't going to buy a used one. Screw that. I went back and looked at what I paid for my 980ti's, $649 for 2 from EVGA directly, June 2015. Given inflation, $1300 in 2015 is about $1500 today. So a 3070(new), being well ahead of SLI 980ti's and under $1500, is inline with my historic $/perf spending. 2-3 Generations. 9800 GTX+ -> SLI GTX 285 -> SLI GTX 670 -> SLI GTX 980ti -> GTX 3070 Would I like it cheaper, sure. But it is what is and this will likely be my last major upgrade for at least 5-7 years. Heck, I'll probably try sell my 980ti's. They haven't had a hard life, no crypto, already decent OC from the factory, aggressive fan profile to keep them cool and plenty of case ventilation. Just been running for 6 years. |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 7:06:46 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We are talking about video games here. They are not a "need" for any of us but....there absolutely is a reason cards push way past 60fps. It's a huge improvement over, not. Card markers haven't painted themselves into a corner or whatever. The market calls for better and faster than we have right now. The market will clearly pay substantially more than the asking price for it as well. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: *hikes up his old man pants* Sonny, call back when you've seen a quality CRT at 1200x1600 running a solid 120 fps. Currently (I'm a dirty poor) running an viewsonic XG 2402 144 fps monitor that does gsynch on a 1650. Yes, I have seen the difference. If you can hold a rock-solid minimum of 30 fps, you can play games just fine. Is (real) 120 fps and up sweetness and light? Yes. But you don't have to have it. Pepperidge farms remembers and tells nvidia and amd/ati to take a hike until the prices come back to sanity and things are available at those prices. Card markers haven't painted themselves into a corner or whatever. The market calls for better and faster than we have right now. The market will clearly pay substantially more than the asking price for it as well. Point is, the returns in core function for money spent are shrinking. By core function, i mean "can it run stuff at playable rates without looking like absolute crud." We used to discuss if current games could be run at whatever the popular monitor resolution was and hold 30 (preferably 60) fps and up for mainstream cards. Nowadays for current games we're asking how much AA can you use and can you do ray tracing, and virtually all FPS are in the triple digit ranges , with only a few (nearly) killer app games pushing things down into double digit fps. I'd be interested to know if turnover in the mainstream cards market was slowing now if you took out the crypto miners. ETA: Someone should release a virus/worm into the wild that finds mining setups and physically destroys the video cards. 
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Posted: 1/4/2022 7:07:52 PM EDT
[#43]
still rocking my 1080ti i bought in dec 2017 for around $750
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Posted: 1/4/2022 7:08:57 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm a long-time PC gamer, but I've had every PS since PS2 on launch day. It's the one console I'll spring for every generation, guaranteed. But yeah, that first year was a little lackluster. With all the COVID delays in games, it kinda was meh. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I got a PS5 on launch day, so of course I used up all of my luck on that and can't find a new GPU to save my life. I'm a long-time PC gamer, but I've had every PS since PS2 on launch day. It's the one console I'll spring for every generation, guaranteed. But yeah, that first year was a little lackluster. With all the COVID delays in games, it kinda was meh. Was an easy decision for me, my launch day PS4 was dying. And if it did, I would have no way to play with my best friend, he isn't a PC gamer. I split my time between my PS5 and PC |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 7:10:37 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The words of a man who is running a 60mhz monitor and has never seen the light of 144fps with Gsync. Or....one of those who has some sort of eyeball to brain problem and is unable to see it. I can spot 60fps in a second now and it looks like dog shit on a cracker. Never going back. Ever. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Card makers have backed themselves into a corner. If you can hold 60 fps or more in your games, they have nothing. Everyone seems to think they have to have triple digits. No ... no, you don't. As long as you don't drop below 30fps minimum, things are playable just fine unless you're playing for money in a shooter or something that requires extreme twitch. I see zero point in paying attention to any new card release until prices cut in half or more and are available at those prices. Till than, it's just meaningless talk. Or....one of those who has some sort of eyeball to brain problem and is unable to see it. I can spot 60fps in a second now and it looks like dog shit on a cracker. Never going back. Ever. |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 7:20:53 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Point is, the returns in core function for money spent are shrinking. By core function, i mean "can it run stuff at playable rates without looking like absolute crud." We used to discuss if current games could be run at whatever the popular monitor resolution was and hold 30 (preferably 60) fps and up for mainstream cards. Nowadays for current games we're asking how much AA can you use and can you do ray tracing, and virtually all FPS are in the triple digit ranges , with only a few (nearly) killer app games pushing things down into double digit fps. I'd be interested to know if turnover in the mainstream cards market was slowing now if you took out the crypto miners. ETA: Someone should release a virus/worm into the wild that finds mining setups and physically destroys the video cards. Modern games cranked up to 11, in 4K and RTX on, can bring a 3080 to it's knees and it's not hard to do. You are talking like current gens easily run the latest eye candy without breaking a sweat, that's just not true. I honestly think you are just sort of stuck in some old games or simply don't see the need for the most modern visuals. There is nothing at all wrong with that, hell it saves a ton of money but, people aren't paying these prices for nick nack add ons. They are putting the horse power to work and there is a need for more. A lot more. |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 7:30:05 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I disagree very much. I don't have my 3080 (yet), but based on....basically the entire internet, the 3000 serious of cards brought the most performance increase per dollar value, in the past decade. It is not a step, but a leap. Modern games cranked up to 11, in 4K and RTX on, can bring a 3080 to it's knees and it's not hard to do. You are talking like current gens easily run the latest eye candy without breaking a sweat, that's just not true. I honestly think you are just sort of stuck in some old games or simply don't see the need for the most modern visuals. There is nothing at all wrong with that, hell it saves a ton of money but, people aren't paying these prices for nick nack add ons. They are putting the horse power to work and there is a need for more. A lot more. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Point is, the returns in core function for money spent are shrinking. By core function, i mean "can it run stuff at playable rates without looking like absolute crud." We used to discuss if current games could be run at whatever the popular monitor resolution was and hold 30 (preferably 60) fps and up for mainstream cards. Nowadays for current games we're asking how much AA can you use and can you do ray tracing, and virtually all FPS are in the triple digit ranges , with only a few (nearly) killer app games pushing things down into double digit fps. I'd be interested to know if turnover in the mainstream cards market was slowing now if you took out the crypto miners. ETA: Someone should release a virus/worm into the wild that finds mining setups and physically destroys the video cards. Modern games cranked up to 11, in 4K and RTX on, can bring a 3080 to it's knees and it's not hard to do. You are talking like current gens easily run the latest eye candy without breaking a sweat, that's just not true. I honestly think you are just sort of stuck in some old games or simply don't see the need for the most modern visuals. There is nothing at all wrong with that, hell it saves a ton of money but, people aren't paying these prices for nick nack add ons. They are putting the horse power to work and there is a need for more. A lot more. You're right that I'm not chasing the top end eye candy stuff. Haven't been for a while. As for "cranked up to 11" ... that's not new at all. (that said, I still hate bloom, when I first saw it it looked like a way for lazy devs or cheap budgets to cover the fact that their graphics look bad otherwise). Bang for the buck: That I would be interested in seeing, and not based on MSRP, but based on the average of prices where you can go get the card at, reliably. On cranked to 11: I would be very interested to see if Total annihilation can still make modern computers scream for mercy if you set the unit count to ... well, effectively infinite, and than multiply that by eight AI's going at it all at once. |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 7:34:53 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You're right that I'm not chasing the top end eye candy stuff. Haven't been for a while. As for "cranked up to 11" ... that's not new at all. (that said, I hate bloom, when I first saw it it looked like an way for lazy devs or cheap budgets to cover the fact that their graphics look bad otherwise). Bang for the buck: That I would be interested in seeing, and not based on MSRP, but based on the average of prices where you can go get the card at, reliably. On cranked to 11: I would be very interested to see if Total annihilation can still make modern computers scream for mercy if you set the unit count to ... well, effectively infinite, and than multiply that by eight AI's going at it all at once. |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 7:55:37 PM EDT
[#49]
What could I get for a used 2080ti right now? I'm not a miner, I game. Card kept the factory clocks the entire time.
Where would be a good place to list it? |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 8:00:42 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What could I get for a used 2080ti right now? I'm not a miner, I game. Card kept the factory clocks the entire time. Where would be a good place to list it? Edit: this was 2 months ago. |
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