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Quoted: What could I get for a used 2080ti right now? I'm not a miner, I game. Card kept the factory clocks the entire time. Where would be a good place to list it? View Quote This is enforced through the online payment processor (they are the one's who report it to the IRS). You can read about it here for example: https://help.venmo.com/hc/en-us/articles/4407389460499 |
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I went from a 670 x2 SLI to a 1660 and now a 3080ti all within two months
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Quoted: Just a heads up in case you don't watch stuff like this super close. As of the 3 days ago, any income for a good or service over $599 into your paypal or venmo or whatever online payment account, in a calendar year, will become taxable income unless you can prove that the income was a loss. This is enforced through the online payment processor (they are the one's who report it to the IRS). You can read about it here for example: https://help.venmo.com/hc/en-us/articles/4407389460499 View Quote |
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Meh, wake me up when GPUs are readily available and not at stupid prices.
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Quoted: Meh, wake me up when GPUs are readily available and not at stupid prices. View Quote ....here we are over a year later, nothing has changed, at all. I am fairly sure that "get lucky or pay double", is the new normal. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Sign up for EVGA's queue system I was able to get a 3080ti FTW Ultra for retail prices after waiting about 6 weeks I had queue registrations for 7 different cards since March of last year, with none coming up for purchase. They cut it down to only allowing two active registrations back in October and that didn't make anything better. It's a good idea, but unfortunately just isn't working out. The 3090 Ti announcement is a huge "fuck you" to the gamer side of things. Uses the same GA102 core that that 3080, 3080 Ti, and regular 3090 use, so it further dilutes production. Given the likely specs, it's probably not even 5% faster than the original 3090. |
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3090Ti coming out means decreased production efforts on the other 3000 series GPUs. Although there is the 3050 coming.
So you can either get top of the line or bottom of the line. Good luck out there. |
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I sold my MSI 5700XT Mech OC for $850 and just bit the bullet and paid a couple hundred extra for an EVGA 3070 FTW3.
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Quoted: 3090Ti coming out means decreased production efforts on the other 3000 series GPUs. Although there is the 3050 coming. So you can either get top of the line or bottom of the line. Good luck out there. View Quote That 3050 is going to get vacuumed up by the miners. 8 GB card, lower power usage, perfect for ethereum. Until this tulip mania burns itself out, no one's buying anything. |
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Quoted: That 3050 is going to get vacuumed up by the miners. 8 GB card, lower power usage, perfect for ethereum. Until this tulip mania burns itself out, no one's buying anything. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: 3090Ti coming out means decreased production efforts on the other 3000 series GPUs. Although there is the 3050 coming. So you can either get top of the line or bottom of the line. Good luck out there. That 3050 is going to get vacuumed up by the miners. 8 GB card, lower power usage, perfect for ethereum. Until this tulip mania burns itself out, no one's buying anything. Except the miners and resellers LoL |
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Quoted: Quoted: Sign up for EVGA's queue system I was able to get a 3080ti FTW Ultra for retail prices after waiting about 6 weeks I've been in their queue for 14 months |
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Quoted: I don't think that's going to happen. My original plan when the 3000's launched was wait for the whole thing to calm down. Let those who super can't wait pay the crazy prices and I will just upgrade later after the storm passes. ....here we are over a year later, nothing has changed, at all. I am fairly sure that "get lucky or pay double", is the new normal. View Quote I don't really feel like that's sustainable long term. The steam charts posted a bit ago proved that a good majority of people are sitting on half decade old cards at this point. Those will need to be replaced sooner or later and I don't think the masses really have interest in playing Newegg's shitty shuffle every day for a chance to game or paying multiple consoles worth of money for a mid to low range card. If anything it would be just another nail in the coffin for PC gaming as more and more are pushed to mobile gaming which is turning out to be making massive amounts of dollars to boot. |
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Quoted: I don't really feel like that's sustainable long term. The steam charts posted a bit ago proved that a good majority of people are sitting on half decade old cards at this point. Those will need to be replaced sooner or later and I don't think the masses really have interest in playing Newegg's shitty shuffle every day for a chance to game or paying multiple consoles worth of money for a mid to low range card. If anything it would be just another nail in the coffin for PC gaming as more and more are pushed to mobile gaming which is turning out to be making massive amounts of dollars to boot. View Quote |
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View Quote Bought mine in 2015 for Fallout 4. Still going strong. |
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Quoted: 3090Ti coming out means decreased production efforts on the other 3000 series GPUs. Although there is the 3050 coming. So you can either get top of the line or bottom of the line. Good luck out there. View Quote I'd love to see Samsung and TSMC's modern nodes. The last time I was around this stuff much was in the 45nm era, and they were already playing with magic on the lithography side. |
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Quoted: There are typically a mix of dies on a wafer, based on performance and size optimization, so that they use every square mm of the wafer they can, and certain regions of the wafer have better yield, so they put the high performance high dollar stuff there so it bins out well. I'd love to see Samsung and TSMC's modern nodes. The last time I was around this stuff much was in the 45nm era, and they were already playing with magic on the lithography side. View Quote Without going into specifics, 3nm is giving multiple manufacturers fits. It’s going to happen, though. |
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Quoted: There are typically a mix of dies on a wafer, based on performance and size optimization, so that they use every square mm of the wafer they can, and certain regions of the wafer have better yield, so they put the high performance high dollar stuff there so it bins out well. I'd love to see Samsung and TSMC's modern nodes. The last time I was around this stuff much was in the 45nm era, and they were already playing with magic on the lithography side. View Quote ??? You don't mix devices on a production wafer. That typically only happens extremely early in the development process to see if a particular design or layout will work, you share a portion of the cost with other customers in the same boat and you only get a handful of die per wafer. Shuttle runs are still a thing, but most of that process is being done with simulations. |
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Quoted: ??? You don't mix devices on a production wafer. That typically only happens extremely early in the development process to see if a particular design or layout will work, you share a portion of the cost with other customers in the same boat and you only get a handful of die per wafer. Shuttle runs are still a thing, but most of that process is being done with simulations. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: There are typically a mix of dies on a wafer, based on performance and size optimization, so that they use every square mm of the wafer they can, and certain regions of the wafer have better yield, so they put the high performance high dollar stuff there so it bins out well. I'd love to see Samsung and TSMC's modern nodes. The last time I was around this stuff much was in the 45nm era, and they were already playing with magic on the lithography side. ??? You don't mix devices on a production wafer. That typically only happens extremely early in the development process to see if a particular design or layout will work, you share a portion of the cost with other customers in the same boat and you only get a handful of die per wafer. Shuttle runs are still a thing, but most of that process is being done with simulations. It was a small, vertically integrated company that produced their own opto-electronics and DSP's, so they were setup for small batches and short runs, with near constant development and improvement. They put smaller, less complex things near the outer edges of the wafer, where the yields were lower, so that defects had smaller impacts. I just assumed the big guys did similar stuff. We already know they bin the outcomes so that one die pattern might be used for several different cards. |
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Big yawn...
Very annoying to keep releasing cards when people can barely get the ones they just released. |
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Quoted: Big yawn... Very annoying to keep releasing cards when people can barely get the ones they just released. View Quote Intel is launching their products that will take pressure off the lower tier market along with the Chinese domestic cards that are all over Asia, and a couple of other players like Samsung and Marvell are considering getting into the graphics/compute business soon. Pair that with with the politics of consuming huge amounts of power for crypto turning sour, and I think there will be more availability in the coming year or two. |
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Quoted: In fairness I wasn't working around a big fab house doing commercial runs. It was a small, vertically integrated company that produced their own opto-electronics and DSP's, so they were setup for small batches and short runs, with near constant development and improvement. They put smaller, less complex things near the outer edges of the wafer, where the yields were lower, so that defects had smaller impacts. I just assumed the big guys did similar stuff. We already know they bin the outcomes so that one die pattern might be used for several different cards. View Quote Interesting. I guess that was much more prevalent back in the pre 6" wafer days, when many of the process steps were done by hand. There would be a lot of issues doing something similar now, aligning the different reticles I think could be relatively straightforward and doable for some of the tools, but I don't think its worth the hassle. I would imagine the exposure/etch and mixing different complexity, many metal layers with less metal layers, would be the tough part. Obviously, it is a possbility but when you are pumping out thousands of these wafers a week/month they want to keep things simple where they are able to. |
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If no one can buy the cards they already make, what's the point of making new ones?
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Quoted: The words of a man who is running a 60mhz monitor and has never seen the light of 144fps with Gsync. Or....one of those who has some sort of eyeball to brain problem and is unable to see it. I can spot 60fps in a second now and it looks like dog shit on a cracker. Never going back. Ever. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Card makers have backed themselves into a corner. If you can hold 60 fps or more in your games, they have nothing. Everyone seems to think they have to have triple digits. No ... no, you don't. As long as you don't drop below 30fps minimum, things are playable just fine unless you're playing for money in a shooter or something that requires extreme twitch. I see zero point in paying attention to any new card release until prices cut in half or more and are available at those prices. Till than, it's just meaningless talk. Or....one of those who has some sort of eyeball to brain problem and is unable to see it. I can spot 60fps in a second now and it looks like dog shit on a cracker. Never going back. Ever. That's wild. Maybe I don't want to train my brain for higher than 60fps. |
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Was planning to build a new PC a year ago. Still rocking my twin 970's and i5-2500k. Probably going to wait another year before bothering at this point
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