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Posted: 7/24/2022 11:15:44 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can RB trade Perez for LeClerc? Why? He isn’t fast enough to really challenge Max, but scores enough points to keep Red Bull up in the constructors. That’s all that Red Bull really wants. |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 11:17:58 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why? He isn’t fast enough to really challenge Max, but scores enough points to keep Red Bull up in the constructors. That’s all that Red Bull really wants. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Can RB trade Perez for LeClerc? Why? He isn’t fast enough to really challenge Max, but scores enough points to keep Red Bull up in the constructors. That’s all that Red Bull really wants. Not for long. Mercedes is only going to get better and if Ferrari could ever get their strategy under control RB will find themselves in a bad spot trying to fight teams that have two competitive drivers with just Max and a glorified pay driver. |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 11:18:36 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Leclerc confirms his mistake https://www.gazzetta.it/Motori/24-07-2022/formula1-gp-francia-leclerc-inaccettabile.shtml But knowing Ferrari’s pedigree it wouldn’t be past the scuderia to force the driver to take the blame to protect the brand. It was common practice in the past Leclerc doesn’t seem like he’s the kind of guy that would play that game, especially now. His seat isn’t in any way under threat. Ferrari needs him far more than he needs Ferrari. Enzo’s been dead for decades. Talking about what Ferrari used to do in his day is meaningless. Ferrari used to have competent strategy and a reliable car. |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 11:34:30 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Leclerc doesn’t seem like he’s the kind of guy that would play that game, especially now. His seat isn’t in any way under threat. Ferrari needs him far more than he needs Ferrari. Enzo’s been dead for decades. Talking about what Ferrari used to do in his day is meaningless. Ferrari used to have competent strategy and a reliable car. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Leclerc confirms his mistake https://www.gazzetta.it/Motori/24-07-2022/formula1-gp-francia-leclerc-inaccettabile.shtml But knowing Ferrari’s pedigree it wouldn’t be past the scuderia to force the driver to take the blame to protect the brand. It was common practice in the past Leclerc doesn’t seem like he’s the kind of guy that would play that game, especially now. His seat isn’t in any way under threat. Ferrari needs him far more than he needs Ferrari. Enzo’s been dead for decades. Talking about what Ferrari used to do in his day is meaningless. Ferrari used to have competent strategy and a reliable car. I don’t think that’s true. Where is he going to go? Right now there are only two teams capable of winning championships and I don’t think RB has any interest in having two young bucks battling it out for the #1 seat. He either tows the line or takes a big step back and tries to build something elsewhere. Taking HAMs spot at Mercedes would be about the only move but if Mercedes continues to show improvement I think HAM 100% comes back next year at least. |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 11:39:57 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t think that’s true. Where is he going to go? Right now there are only two teams capable of winning championships and I don’t think RB has any interest in having two young bucks battling it out for the #1 seat. He either tows the line or takes a big step back and tries to build something elsewhere. Taking HAMs spot at Mercedes would be about the only move but if Mercedes continues to show improvement I think HAM 100% comes back next year at least. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Leclerc confirms his mistake https://www.gazzetta.it/Motori/24-07-2022/formula1-gp-francia-leclerc-inaccettabile.shtml But knowing Ferrari’s pedigree it wouldn’t be past the scuderia to force the driver to take the blame to protect the brand. It was common practice in the past Leclerc doesn’t seem like he’s the kind of guy that would play that game, especially now. His seat isn’t in any way under threat. Ferrari needs him far more than he needs Ferrari. Enzo’s been dead for decades. Talking about what Ferrari used to do in his day is meaningless. Ferrari used to have competent strategy and a reliable car. I don’t think that’s true. Where is he going to go? Right now there are only two teams capable of winning championships and I don’t think RB has any interest in having two young bucks battling it out for the #1 seat. He either tows the line or takes a big step back and tries to build something elsewhere. Taking HAMs spot at Mercedes would be about the only move but if Mercedes continues to show improvement I think HAM 100% comes back next year at least. When you sign on as a driver at Ferrari, part of the welcome packet has a set of 10 rules. Rule #1 is: No person is bigger than Ferrari. |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 11:48:24 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When you sign on as a driver at Ferrari, part of the welcome packet has a set of 10 rules. Rule #1 is: No person is bigger than Ferrari. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Leclerc confirms his mistake https://www.gazzetta.it/Motori/24-07-2022/formula1-gp-francia-leclerc-inaccettabile.shtml But knowing Ferrari’s pedigree it wouldn’t be past the scuderia to force the driver to take the blame to protect the brand. It was common practice in the past Leclerc doesn’t seem like he’s the kind of guy that would play that game, especially now. His seat isn’t in any way under threat. Ferrari needs him far more than he needs Ferrari. Enzo’s been dead for decades. Talking about what Ferrari used to do in his day is meaningless. Ferrari used to have competent strategy and a reliable car. I don’t think that’s true. Where is he going to go? Right now there are only two teams capable of winning championships and I don’t think RB has any interest in having two young bucks battling it out for the #1 seat. He either tows the line or takes a big step back and tries to build something elsewhere. Taking HAMs spot at Mercedes would be about the only move but if Mercedes continues to show improvement I think HAM 100% comes back next year at least. When you sign on as a driver at Ferrari, part of the welcome packet has a set of 10 rules. Rule #1 is: No person is bigger than Ferrari. They really are a manufacturer like no other. They even black list journalists for being critical of their road cars and make up ridiculously rules. Chris Harris has a funny story where they said no journalists could drive a current model Ferrari without getting permission before hand, he personally owned a 612 and according to their rule he would have to call up headquarters to get permission before taking his own car out. |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 12:04:02 PM EST
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t think that’s true. Where is he going to go? Right now there are only two teams capable of winning championships and I don’t think RB has any interest in having two young bucks battling it out for the #1 seat. He either tows the line or takes a big step back and tries to build something elsewhere. Taking HAMs spot at Mercedes would be about the only move but if Mercedes continues to show improvement I think HAM 100% comes back next year at least. What’s Leclerc’s penalty for not toeing the line? What are Ferrari going to do? Fire him? Make Sainz their number 1 driver? Extreme finger wag from Binotto? What would Ferrari do if Leclerc refused to lie for them? I think it was exactly as he said, he screwed up on his own. |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 12:06:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They really are a manufacturer like no other. They even black list journalists for being critical of their road cars and make up ridiculously rules. Chris Harris has a funny story where they said no journalists could drive a current model Ferrari without getting permission before hand, he personally owned a 612 and according to their rule he would have to call up headquarters to get permission before taking his own car out. |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 12:18:05 PM EST
[#9]
I’m really missing Luca di Montezemolo right now.
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Posted: 7/24/2022 12:22:02 PM EST
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I truly hope there isn't something going on at Ferrari that could jeopardize Leclerc's reputation, but I suppose all teams are dirty to some extent.
Watching Ferrari shoot itself in the foot week after week is pretty tough though. |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 1:04:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When you sign on as a driver at Ferrari, part of the welcome packet has a set of 10 rules. Rule #1 is: No person is bigger than Ferrari. This guy knows |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 1:06:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m really missing Luca di Montezemolo right now. They make me miss Arrivabene. At this point the death of Sergio Marchione was the best thing to ever happen to RB and Mercedes’ He wouldn’t have tolerated half of that shit |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 1:24:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What’s Leclerc’s penalty for not toeing the line? What are Ferrari going to do? Fire him? Make Sainz their number 1 driver? Extreme finger wag from Binotto? What would Ferrari do if Leclerc refused to lie for them? I think it was exactly as he said, he screwed up on his own. yes Quite possibly. There is a reason Charles is already third in all time Ferrari pole positions, he can push the car to the ragged edge and it’s bit him before. His one lap pace is without equal, maybe lulu but the sample sizes are vastly different. |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 1:26:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They make me miss Arrivabene. At this point the death of Sergio Marchione was the best thing to ever happen to RB and Mercedes’ He wouldn’t have tolerated half of that shit Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I’m really missing Luca di Montezemolo right now. They make me miss Arrivabene. At this point the death of Sergio Marchione was the best thing to ever happen to RB and Mercedes’ He wouldn’t have tolerated half of that shit They need to give Nicholas Todt the nod but I doubt a non Italian is even in the running. |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 2:03:44 PM EST
[#15]
Just finished watching. George is perfect for Mercedes. What an insufferable little bitch.
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Posted: 7/24/2022 2:07:43 PM EST
[#16]
Apparently there was a computer glitch that caused confusion about the VSC. That’s why Checo appeared to be asleep at the wheel.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fia-explains-virtual-safety-car-glitch-in-french-gp/10342955/amp/ |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 2:23:22 PM EST
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Apparently there was a computer glitch that caused confusion about the VSC. That’s why Checo appeared to be asleep at the wheel. https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fia-explains-virtual-safety-car-glitch-in-french-gp/10342955/amp/ So, RUS was gifted the podium through a glitch. We can hate on PER, but I’m not convinced RUS was making it past him any other way. |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 2:26:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm really missing FTFY... m |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 2:29:45 PM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Apparently there was a computer glitch that caused confusion about the VSC. That’s why Checo appeared to be asleep at the wheel. https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fia-explains-virtual-safety-car-glitch-in-french-gp/10342955/amp/ What glitch then kept Perez behind for 6 laps when he was in a faster car? I think the “glitch” in this case was that Sergio Perez was driving the car. If Max had been in that position and had somehow been caught napping, he would have dusted Russell in a couple of laps. |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 2:32:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They need to give Nicholas Todt the nod but I doubt a non Italian is even in the running. Funny enough I know Nicolas Todt. For reasons I used to see him often where he lives in Geneva. |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 2:32:40 PM EST
[#21]
One thing is for sure, the next season of "Drive to Survive" is going to be spicy.
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Posted: 7/24/2022 2:38:40 PM EST
[#22]
Watching the in car footage of Charles and Carlos and damn if the Ferrari isn’t still porpoising. Really badly through turn 10 and into turn 11 (where Charles had his wreck).
The Red Bull was overworking the front left (as would be expected), but the Ferraris were overworking the rear left (which is a bit strange). Charles’ wreck was weird. Where he lost it in 11 is a “coast and downshift” with a fairly constant radius. It just snapped as the load progressed on the left rear. Also weird was the radio. The majority of what we heard during the race was not heard on the in-car. ETA: The Race also mentioned the radio message strangeness. That seemed to be supported by a message from his race engineer of “now it’s 0%”, which was broadcast on the world feed but oddly was not audible from Leclerc’s onboard footage and audio channel. |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 2:44:17 PM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Apparently there was a computer glitch that caused confusion about the VSC. That’s why Checo appeared to be asleep at the wheel. https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fia-explains-virtual-safety-car-glitch-in-french-gp/10342955/amp/ “A second VSC ending message was sent due to a hardware issue, which led to an automated switch to backup systems that worked exactly as they should in that scenario. The same information is supplied to all teams concurrently.” So there was a glitch but nobody gained an advantage over anyone else. Sorry ass excuse from a sorry ass driver. |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 2:46:36 PM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Watching the in car footage of Charles and Carlos and damn if the Ferrari isn’t still porpoising. Really badly through turn 10 and into turn 11 (where Charles had his wreck). The Red Bull was overworking the front left (as would be expected), but the Ferraris were overworking the rear left (which is a bit strange). Charles’ wreck was weird. Where he lost it in 11 is a “coast and downshift” with a fairly constant radius. It just snapped as the load progressed on the left rear. Also weird was the radio. The majority of what we heard during the race was not heard on the in-car. ETA: The Race also mentioned the radio message strangeness. Some thing is definitely fishy with this crash. I seriously doubt it is just a mistake from Charles |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 2:53:29 PM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Watching the in car footage of Charles and Carlos and damn if the Ferrari isn’t still porpoising. Really badly through turn 10 and into turn 11 (where Charles had his wreck). The Red Bull was overworking the front left (as would be expected), but the Ferraris were overworking the rear left (which is a bit strange). Charles’ wreck was weird. Where he lost it in 11 is a “coast and downshift” with a fairly constant radius. It just snapped as the load progressed on the left rear. Also weird was the radio. The majority of what we heard during the race was not heard on the in-car. ETA: The Race also mentioned the radio message strangeness. Quote HistoryQuoted: Watching the in car footage of Charles and Carlos and damn if the Ferrari isn’t still porpoising. Really badly through turn 10 and into turn 11 (where Charles had his wreck). The Red Bull was overworking the front left (as would be expected), but the Ferraris were overworking the rear left (which is a bit strange). Charles’ wreck was weird. Where he lost it in 11 is a “coast and downshift” with a fairly constant radius. It just snapped as the load progressed on the left rear. Also weird was the radio. The majority of what we heard during the race was not heard on the in-car. ETA: The Race also mentioned the radio message strangeness. That seemed to be supported by a message from his race engineer of “now it’s 0%”, which was broadcast on the world feed but oddly was not audible from Leclerc’s onboard footage and audio channel. I watched a couple laps prior to the crash and the only difference I noticed was the “switch position grey” call from the team just prior. LEC did something on the wheel but I didn’t notice anything come up on the display like it would for a diff, brake bias, or re-gen change. I didn’t catch the “now it’s 0%” message either. |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 3:03:05 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I watched a couple laps prior to the crash and the only difference I noticed was the “switch position grey” call from the team just prior. LEC did something on the wheel but I didn’t notice anything come up on the display like it would for a diff, brake bias, or re-gen change. I didn’t catch the “now it’s 0%” message either. “They” used the 5 second delay and muted the in-car. The director on the world feed had the “uncut” audio and broadcasted it. Interesting and a bit disappointing that we might not be getting everything on the in-car (as they don’t edit cursing, etc). |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 3:12:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: “They” used the 5 second delay and muted the in-car. The director on the world feed had the “uncut” audio and broadcasted it. Interesting and a bit disappointing that we might not be getting everything on the in-car (as they don’t edit cursing, etc). Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I watched a couple laps prior to the crash and the only difference I noticed was the “switch position grey” call from the team just prior. LEC did something on the wheel but I didn’t notice anything come up on the display like it would for a diff, brake bias, or re-gen change. I didn’t catch the “now it’s 0%” message either. “They” used the 5 second delay and muted the in-car. The director on the world feed had the “uncut” audio and broadcasted it. Interesting and a bit disappointing that we might not be getting everything on the in-car (as they don’t edit cursing, etc). Strange. There may be nothing to it but if they aren’t above board with it all it’s only going to fuel the speculation. Cutting the audio in the cool down room was pretty bizarre too. Especially with Crofty getting all flustered and trying to explain it away. |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 3:23:04 PM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Some thing is definitely fishy with this crash. I seriously doubt it is just a mistake from Charles Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Watching the in car footage of Charles and Carlos and damn if the Ferrari isn’t still porpoising. Really badly through turn 10 and into turn 11 (where Charles had his wreck). The Red Bull was overworking the front left (as would be expected), but the Ferraris were overworking the rear left (which is a bit strange). Charles’ wreck was weird. Where he lost it in 11 is a “coast and downshift” with a fairly constant radius. It just snapped as the load progressed on the left rear. Also weird was the radio. The majority of what we heard during the race was not heard on the in-car. ETA: The Race also mentioned the radio message strangeness. Some thing is definitely fishy with this crash. I seriously doubt it is just a mistake from Charles Nico Rosberg agrees with you. IMO he may be the smartest person involved with F1, genius level IQ for sure. https://www.eurosport.com/formula-1/french-grand-prix/2022/nico-rosberg-tells-charles-leclerc-not-to-take-blame-i-still-cant-believe-it-would-be-a-driver-mista_sto9058460/story.shtml Like fike said it’s a part of the track where they are coasting not on the power. The skid mark from the rear sure looked like it was getting torque from the engine at the start of the slide. |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 3:48:55 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They really are a manufacturer like no other. They even black list journalists for being critical of their road cars and make up ridiculously rules. Chris Harris has a funny story where they said no journalists could drive a current model Ferrari without getting permission before hand, he personally owned a 612 and according to their rule he would have to call up headquarters to get permission before taking his own car out. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Leclerc confirms his mistake https://www.gazzetta.it/Motori/24-07-2022/formula1-gp-francia-leclerc-inaccettabile.shtml But knowing Ferrari’s pedigree it wouldn’t be past the scuderia to force the driver to take the blame to protect the brand. It was common practice in the past Leclerc doesn’t seem like he’s the kind of guy that would play that game, especially now. His seat isn’t in any way under threat. Ferrari needs him far more than he needs Ferrari. Enzo’s been dead for decades. Talking about what Ferrari used to do in his day is meaningless. Ferrari used to have competent strategy and a reliable car. I don’t think that’s true. Where is he going to go? Right now there are only two teams capable of winning championships and I don’t think RB has any interest in having two young bucks battling it out for the #1 seat. He either tows the line or takes a big step back and tries to build something elsewhere. Taking HAMs spot at Mercedes would be about the only move but if Mercedes continues to show improvement I think HAM 100% comes back next year at least. When you sign on as a driver at Ferrari, part of the welcome packet has a set of 10 rules. Rule #1 is: No person is bigger than Ferrari. They really are a manufacturer like no other. They even black list journalists for being critical of their road cars and make up ridiculously rules. Chris Harris has a funny story where they said no journalists could drive a current model Ferrari without getting permission before hand, he personally owned a 612 and according to their rule he would have to call up headquarters to get permission before taking his own car out. Didn't they once tell owners that if they let Top Gear (Clarkson/May/Hamilton) drive one of their cars (can't remember which one) around the test track they'd get blacklisted? |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 3:49:44 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This race is boring Yeah may as well have called it when Leclerc slid. Sainz was the compelling storyline but Ferrari bottled it |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 3:53:21 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn't they once tell owners that if they let Top Gear (Clarkson/May/Hamilton) drive one of their cars (can't remember which one) around the test track they'd get blacklisted? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Leclerc confirms his mistake https://www.gazzetta.it/Motori/24-07-2022/formula1-gp-francia-leclerc-inaccettabile.shtml But knowing Ferrari’s pedigree it wouldn’t be past the scuderia to force the driver to take the blame to protect the brand. It was common practice in the past Leclerc doesn’t seem like he’s the kind of guy that would play that game, especially now. His seat isn’t in any way under threat. Ferrari needs him far more than he needs Ferrari. Enzo’s been dead for decades. Talking about what Ferrari used to do in his day is meaningless. Ferrari used to have competent strategy and a reliable car. I don’t think that’s true. Where is he going to go? Right now there are only two teams capable of winning championships and I don’t think RB has any interest in having two young bucks battling it out for the #1 seat. He either tows the line or takes a big step back and tries to build something elsewhere. Taking HAMs spot at Mercedes would be about the only move but if Mercedes continues to show improvement I think HAM 100% comes back next year at least. When you sign on as a driver at Ferrari, part of the welcome packet has a set of 10 rules. Rule #1 is: No person is bigger than Ferrari. They really are a manufacturer like no other. They even black list journalists for being critical of their road cars and make up ridiculously rules. Chris Harris has a funny story where they said no journalists could drive a current model Ferrari without getting permission before hand, he personally owned a 612 and according to their rule he would have to call up headquarters to get permission before taking his own car out. Didn't they once tell owners that if they let Top Gear (Clarkson/May/Hamilton) drive one of their cars (can't remember which one) around the test track they'd get blacklisted? Yeah. I think it was either the Enzo or La Ferrari, they didn’t want them to time it around their track. Couldn’t handle it if it wasn’t #1. I heard another story about a test for Evo magazine where they were doing a comparison between cars and the Ferrari representative told them they were OK with it if the car never made it back as long as it won. |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 3:54:05 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah may as well have called it when Leclerc slid. Sainz was the compelling storyline but Ferrari bottled it Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This race is boring Yeah may as well have called it when Leclerc slid. Sainz was the compelling storyline but Ferrari bottled it It’s Paul Ricard, what did you expect? |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 5:26:31 PM EST
[#33]
I watched the race live this morning. LOL @ Ferrari. It's difficult to fathom how a race team with such pedigree looks so amateurish.
Ditto on whoever called Russell a whiny little bitch. Lastly: Lots of respect for Sainz. He's a hard-working guy, he fights hard, and he doesn't complain. That's the kind of guy you want on your team. |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 5:29:36 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What glitch then kept Perez behind for 6 laps when he was in a faster car? I think the “glitch” in this case was that Sergio Perez was driving the car. If Max had been in that position and had somehow been caught napping, he would have dusted Russell in a couple of laps. I'm a Max fan, and he couldn't get past George in Spain, so not sure he would have here, just glad he didn't have to. |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 5:30:27 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s Paul Ricard, what did you expect? Not much, I'm pretty new. |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 5:38:35 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I watched the race live this morning. LOL @ Ferrari. It's difficult to fathom how a race team with such pedigree looks so amateurish. Ditto on whoever called Russell a whiny little bitch. Lastly: Lots of respect for Sainz. He's a hard-working guy, he fights hard, and he doesn't complain. That's the kind of guy you want on your team. Quote HistoryQuoted: I watched the race live this morning. LOL @ Ferrari. It's difficult to fathom how a race team with such pedigree looks so amateurish. Ditto on whoever called Russell a whiny little bitch. Lastly: Lots of respect for Sainz. He's a hard-working guy, he fights hard, and he doesn't complain. That's the kind of guy you want on your team. It looks like RUS is setting himself up to be the next HAM, looking forward to him complaining about his tires on lap 2 while putting in the fastest times. Quoted: Quoted: What glitch then kept Perez behind for 6 laps when he was in a faster car? I think the “glitch” in this case was that Sergio Perez was driving the car. If Max had been in that position and had somehow been caught napping, he would have dusted Russell in a couple of laps. I'm a Max fan, and he couldn't get past George in Spain, so not sure he would have here, just glad he didn't have to. Such a bullshit excuse. They all got the same info at the same time. Perez got caught slipping and didn’t have enough talent to do anything about it, end of story. |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 5:45:44 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not much, I'm pretty new. It’s a test track and a terrible excuse for an F1 venue. I 100% think there needs to be a French Grand Prix, it’s the home of motor racing after all but it’s not the right track. A modified shorter version of circuit de la sarthe where they hold the 24hrs of Le Mans would be epic. |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 5:47:28 PM EST
[#38]
 Why did Leclerc crash in France? by Peter Windsor This guy seem to think Charles was trying to improve his speed in that corner by going wider and wider, just like Carlos does. until his left rear hit the curb/line.... |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 5:48:27 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s a test track and a terrible excuse for an F1 venue. I 100% think there needs to be a French Grand Prix, it’s the home of motor racing after all but it’s not the right track. A modified shorter version of circuit de la sarthe where they hold the 24hrs of Le Mans would be epic. I liked magny Court too |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 5:56:54 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What glitch then kept Perez behind for 6 laps when he was in a faster car? I think the “glitch” in this case was that Sergio Perez was driving the car. If Max had been in that position and had somehow been caught napping, he would have dusted Russell in a couple of laps. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Apparently there was a computer glitch that caused confusion about the VSC. That’s why Checo appeared to be asleep at the wheel. https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fia-explains-virtual-safety-car-glitch-in-french-gp/10342955/amp/ What glitch then kept Perez behind for 6 laps when he was in a faster car? I think the “glitch” in this case was that Sergio Perez was driving the car. If Max had been in that position and had somehow been caught napping, he would have dusted Russell in a couple of laps. I don’t disagree but I also think that if Russell hadn’t gotten the quick start Perez would have held him off for the podium. RUS is a whiny bitch. He was still complaining about the earlier attempted pass in the cool off room. Upon seeing it on tv he was pointing and gesticulating like a child, “see, see that’s his fault,” nonsense. I detest Merc. |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 6:14:48 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t disagree but I also think that if Russell hadn’t gotten the quick start Perez would have held him off for the podium. RUS is a whiny bitch. He was still complaining about the earlier attempted pass in the cool off room. Upon seeing it on tv he was pointing and gesticulating like a child, “see, see that’s his fault,” nonsense. I detest Merc. The sporting world as a whole would be better off without Merc in it. You should have seen the shit in DTM last year if intentional wrecking to win them the championship. |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 6:59:09 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I liked magny Court too Quote HistoryQuoted: I liked magny Court too I think it would be an improvement for sure but there isn’t a lot of overtaking opportunities, maybe it would be different with the new cars. Quoted: The sporting world as a whole would be better off without Merc in it. You should have seen the shit in DTM last year if intentional wrecking to win them the championship. I disagree. There needs to be a heel, Mercedes is like the evil empire in Star Wars to me. Luis has been the driver we love to hate for most of the last decade and now it looks like the torch is being passed to RUS. His comments about Williams and the incessant bitching about his failed dive bomb on Perez has made me like him a lot less in just this week alone. They’re the perfect bad guy. |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 9:09:17 PM EST
[#43]
What a shit show of a race. Honestly if I didn’t know better I would think this shit has to be scripted.
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Posted: 7/24/2022 10:04:42 PM EST
[#44]
Perez is the man.
Fuckin Mercedes up to their shit again. At leat Hammy can drive. |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 10:08:46 PM EST
[#45]
Imagine if Alonso was in Perez's car this year.
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Posted: 7/25/2022 4:30:17 AM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Imagine if Alonso was in Perez's car this year. Now I would enjoy that. Alonso is still one of my all time favorites growing up watching F1 |
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Posted: 7/25/2022 4:57:45 AM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f844AqLxrW0This guy seem to think Charles was trying to improve his speed in that corner by going wider and wider, just like Carlos does. until his left rear hit the curb/line.... I don't disagree. He was way out there when he lost the rear end. I was wondering initially if he got on to marbles but the crash seemed really strange as he was coasting. Its nice to have a three team fight even though the Mercs aren't quite there yet. |
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Posted: 7/25/2022 6:01:58 AM EST
[#48]
Make of this what you will..
The throttle appears to be on right before his crash. There was also a Reddit post with screen grabs that showed the left rear laying a streak of rubber right before he spun. The post was removed be a moderator for some reason. ETA: I think Charles was just getting too greedy and pushing too hard.  Failed To Load Title |
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Posted: 7/25/2022 8:15:23 AM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Make of this what you will.. The throttle appears to be on right before his crash. There was also a Reddit post with screen grabs that showed the left rear laying a streak of rubber right before he spun. The post was removed be a moderator for some reason. ETA: I think Charles was just getting too greedy and pushing too hard. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hw6paACnVoIYeah, if you had some "smart" throttle min routine setup...told to keep 5-7% of rpm on the engine. Then the rears just brush that soft curb => spin. I'm a neophyte, when they are coasting in a corner, is the transmission still engaged? Or does a true neutral exist while the car is underway? |
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Posted: 7/25/2022 8:52:43 AM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, if you had some "smart" throttle min routine setup...told to keep 5-7% of rpm on the engine. Then the rears just brush that soft curb => spin. I'm a neophyte, when they are coasting in a corner, is the transmission still engaged? Or does a true neutral exist while the car is underway? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Make of this what you will.. The throttle appears to be on right before his crash. There was also a Reddit post with screen grabs that showed the left rear laying a streak of rubber right before he spun. The post was removed be a moderator for some reason. ETA: I think Charles was just getting too greedy and pushing too hard. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hw6paACnVoIYeah, if you had some "smart" throttle min routine setup...told to keep 5-7% of rpm on the engine. Then the rears just brush that soft curb => spin. I'm a neophyte, when they are coasting in a corner, is the transmission still engaged? Or does a true neutral exist while the car is underway? The transmission is engaged when coasting. Ultimately, you want/need consistency. If you watch Charles’ qualifying run through that corner, he never sees 0% throttle. If expected (whether automated or based on driver input), this is totally workable. The minimum load is constant. The problem comes when you are on old tires and change the load mid corner. The change from 0% to that small throttle application at that point in the corner was the cause of the spin. Either Charles got greedy and messed up or he wasn’t in control of that input and wasn’t expecting it. ETA: Something I just noticed that would solve the issue. Charles saw both throttle and brake at the same time. Was that consistent through that corner for the previous laps or an anomaly? |
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