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Posted: 7/30/2023 1:52:48 PM EST
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Posted: 7/30/2023 2:07:36 PM EST
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Posted: 7/30/2023 2:08:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Only if RB obey them  I don't know what the solution is. Maybe in the short term they pressure RB to replace Checo with someone better. Long term..who knows. I heard US viewership is down and no doubt that's in part to Max's dominance making the race predictable. Better than Checo? Someone that will be 1.5 instead of 2nd in the Driver's Cup? |
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Posted: 7/30/2023 2:12:32 PM EST
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Was going to attempt to watch the race but will skip if another
-Max win or -Red Bull 1st and 2nd So someone just say watch or skip it....but don't spoil the actual winner if it's not Red Bull. I don't want to look up the results and get a spoiler in the event Red Bull isn't 1st and 2nd and I end up watching it. |
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Posted: 7/30/2023 2:25:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Was going to attempt to watch the race but will skip if another -Max win or -Red Bull 1st and 2nd So someone just say watch or skip it....but don't spoil the actual winner if it's not Red Bull. I don't want to look up the results and get a spoiler in the event Red Bull isn't 1st and 2nd and I end up watching it. You’ll want to go do something else.. ?? |
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Posted: 7/30/2023 2:30:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Was going to attempt to watch the race but will skip if another -Max win or -Red Bull 1st and 2nd So someone just say watch or skip it....but don't spoil the actual winner if it's not Red Bull. I don't want to look up the results and get a spoiler in the event Red Bull isn't 1st and 2nd and I end up watching it. There's some good racing in the midfield. Lots of overtaking. Honestly the camera isn't on the top 3 or 4 very much unless there's overtaking or a pit stop. |
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Posted: 7/30/2023 2:36:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Better than Checo? Someone that will be 1.5 instead of 2nd in the Driver's Cup? Someone that actually competes with Max. It was rumored a few months ago iirc. |
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Posted: 7/30/2023 3:15:25 PM EST
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Toto and Horner were super chummy this weekend.
A bit odd. |
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Posted: 7/30/2023 3:36:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The character that was singing the national anthem… |
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Posted: 7/30/2023 3:39:51 PM EST
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https://twitter.com/Carlossainz55/status/1685688963690815488?s=20
Another poor hot take from Sainz. He does realize there is video of the race right? Dive bombing the corner, moving under braking, locking up, and squeezing Piastri (who broke early) then blaming it on the other guy. I hope he’s enjoying his last year (at least in a semi-competitive car) in F1. |
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Posted: 7/30/2023 4:09:03 PM EST
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I know RB have a great car, but it is pretty incredible just how much Verstappen outclasses everyone else - including his teammate with the same car. The guy just doesn't make any mistakes.
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Posted: 7/30/2023 4:33:37 PM EST
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Quote HistorySeriously, who thought putting trophies on the ground in front of the pit board and having everyone one run forward through them was a good idea? |
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Posted: 7/30/2023 4:44:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://twitter.com/Carlossainz55/status/1685688963690815488?s=20 Another poor hot take from Sainz. He does realize there is video of the race right? Dive bombing the corner, moving under braking, locking up, and squeezing Piastri (who broke early) then blaming it on the other guy. I hope he’s enjoying his last year (at least in a semi-competitive car) in F1. Trying to squeeze by on the inside at La Source on the start is always very risky. A driver may think there’s a gap there, but there’s also likely someone on the outside of the guy you’re trying to squeeze under pushing him inside. Lockups aren’t uncommon either. A pure racing incident Sainz isn’t going anywhere unless he chooses to leave. Ferrari isn’t going to dump him. |
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Posted: 7/30/2023 5:14:44 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know RB have a great car, but it is pretty incredible just how much Verstappen outclasses everyone else - including his teammate with the same car. The guy just doesn't make any mistakes. Max winning in 2021 turned that kid from a lump of Coal into a Diamond. Despite what some others think, he really is the combination of Senna and Michael at this point. |
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Posted: 7/30/2023 5:51:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Trying to squeeze by on the inside at La Source on the start is always very risky. A driver may think there’s a gap there, but there’s also likely someone on the outside of the guy you’re trying to squeeze under pushing him inside. Lockups aren’t uncommon either. A pure racing incident Sainz isn’t going anywhere unless he chooses to leave. Ferrari isn’t going to dump him. A racing incident for sure. But Sainz is putting the blame on Piastri. The guy who was totally in control of his car. |
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Posted: 7/30/2023 5:52:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Enjoyed the weekend, variable weather really spices it up. Whiny Ham of course is to be expected. Loved the Max banter on the radio. I wish they played more if it. May need to pull the trigger on F1TV streaming. Nor did very well, considering. I still miss Seb.  I watch F1TV’s commentary on my phone and Max’s in car footage on my iPad. If anything, watching Max exclusively is an example of patience and good communication, regardless of [seemingly unprofessional] radio banter. |
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Posted: 7/30/2023 6:25:29 PM EST
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Since you ignored this originally (I’m sure accidentally) I’ll post it again. @Shung
Quote HistoryQuoted: Dude, the non Newtonian fluid was a joke by Scarbs @scarbstech. I hope you’re joking, or else you’re extremely gullible.
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/500232/IMG_9350_png-2898685.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/500232/IMG_9351_png-2898693.JPG |
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Posted: 7/30/2023 6:30:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Max winning in 2021 turned that kid from a lump of Coal into a Diamond. Despite what some others think, he really is the combination of Senna and Michael at this point. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I know RB have a great car, but it is pretty incredible just how much Verstappen outclasses everyone else - including his teammate with the same car. The guy just doesn't make any mistakes. Max winning in 2021 turned that kid from a lump of Coal into a Diamond. Despite what some others think, he really is the combination of Senna and Michael at this point. Got to give him more credit than coal and much earlier than 2021. He won his first race at 18 years old in 2016. He was rough around the edges, but there were always moments of brilliance. |
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Posted: 7/30/2023 6:33:30 PM EST
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Autosport’s podcast mentioned that Aston now understands their issue.
They had to change a part “to be compliant”. |
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Posted: 7/30/2023 6:35:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Seriously, who thought putting trophies on the ground in front of the pit board and having everyone one run forward through them was a good idea? Quote HistoryQuoted: Seriously, who thought putting trophies on the ground in front of the pit board and having everyone one run forward through them was a good idea? They run through them after every race. It’s a wonder more aren’t knocked over. |
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Posted: 7/30/2023 6:43:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Autosport’s podcast mentioned that Aston now understands their issue. They had to change a part “to be compliant”. Interesting. |
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Posted: 7/30/2023 6:47:03 PM EST
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Posted: 7/30/2023 8:16:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know RB have a great car, but it is pretty incredible just how much Verstappen outclasses everyone else - including his teammate with the same car. The guy just doesn't make any mistakes. and watch those few laps from both of their in-car cameras. From the few shots they showed on the International broadcast, it looked like Max was driving a textbook perfect line around a racing circuit and Sergio was on a casual drive to the mall. |
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Posted: 7/30/2023 8:23:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Watching him close on Checo and the lines he took (inch perfect btw) was very interesting. I'd like to go back and watch those few laps from both of their in-car cameras. From the few shots they showed on the International broadcast, it looked like Max was driving a textbook perfect line around a racing circuit and Sergio was on a casual drive to the mall. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I know RB have a great car, but it is pretty incredible just how much Verstappen outclasses everyone else - including his teammate with the same car. The guy just doesn't make any mistakes. and watch those few laps from both of their in-car cameras. From the few shots they showed on the International broadcast, it looked like Max was driving a textbook perfect line around a racing circuit and Sergio was on a casual drive to the mall. Max is a hardcore sim "player" so I have to wonder how many times he's been around Spa on the simulator. |
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Posted: 7/30/2023 8:25:43 PM EST
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Kinda a random, hypothetical thought. Say some driver comes into F1, rocking #33. And Max loses the WDC. Who gets the #33? The dude who gave it up, or the dude who spent his racing career running #33 that isn't Max?
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Posted: 7/30/2023 8:34:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Kinda a random, hypothetical thought. Say some driver comes into F1, rocking #33. And Max loses the WDC. Who gets the #33? The dude who gave it up, or the dude who spent his racing career running #33 that isn't Max?  The history of race numbers in Formula 1 - Chain Bear explains |
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Posted: 7/30/2023 8:42:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Kinda a random, hypothetical thought. Say some driver comes into F1, rocking #33. And Max loses the WDC. Who gets the #33? The dude who gave it up, or the dude who spent his racing career running #33 that isn't Max? The numbers stick with the driver until they leave. The #1 is an option for the previous year’s WDC, but nobody can use the driver’s assigned number. |
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Posted: 7/30/2023 9:56:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Got to give him more credit than coal and much earlier than 2021. He won his first race at 18 years old in 2016. He was rough around the edges, but there were always moments of brilliance. For sure. But the entire 2021 season and winning it really changed him. |
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Posted: 7/30/2023 10:23:50 PM EST
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The wife and I just got done watching Stewart. Recorded it this morning on ESPN2 before the pre-race show started.
I've seen the other documentaries, "1", etc. and it was really good. |
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Posted: 7/30/2023 10:56:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Watching him close on Checo and the lines he took (inch perfect btw) was very interesting. I'd like to go back and watch those few laps from both of their in-car cameras. From the few shots they showed on the International broadcast, it looked like Max was driving a textbook perfect line around a racing circuit and Sergio was on a casual drive to the mall. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I know RB have a great car, but it is pretty incredible just how much Verstappen outclasses everyone else - including his teammate with the same car. The guy just doesn't make any mistakes. and watch those few laps from both of their in-car cameras. From the few shots they showed on the International broadcast, it looked like Max was driving a textbook perfect line around a racing circuit and Sergio was on a casual drive to the mall. I wonder how analytical Perez is. He and a driving coach could sit around and analyze what Max is doing and maybe learn a thing or two. As painful as that would be for him ha. |
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Posted: 7/31/2023 6:59:06 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Toto and Horner were super chummy this weekend. A bit odd. It normally happens right before they start sling arrows at each other, |
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Posted: 7/31/2023 7:24:19 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A racing incident for sure. But Sainz is putting the blame on Piastri. The guy who was totally in control of his car. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Trying to squeeze by on the inside at La Source on the start is always very risky. A driver may think there’s a gap there, but there’s also likely someone on the outside of the guy you’re trying to squeeze under pushing him inside. Lockups aren’t uncommon either. A pure racing incident Sainz isn’t going anywhere unless he chooses to leave. Ferrari isn’t going to dump him. A racing incident for sure. But Sainz is putting the blame on Piastri. The guy who was totally in control of his car. I think all the drivers need to remember the old “you can’t win the race in turn one, but you sure can lose it there” adage. |
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Posted: 7/31/2023 8:36:43 AM EST
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I know it's boring, but you have to step back and appreciate that we really are watching history with Max and Redbull right now.
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Posted: 7/31/2023 8:39:30 AM EST
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Posted: 7/31/2023 8:45:53 AM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I know it's boring, but you have to step back and appreciate that we really are watching history with Max and Redbull right now. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F2Wqj7nXEAA_r8N?format=jpg&name=medium Sorry if this is a stupid question, what is the Nb column? |
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Posted: 7/31/2023 8:51:24 AM EST
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Posted: 7/31/2023 8:52:18 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sorry if this is a stupid question, what is the Nb column? Percentage of points available per race is my guess. |
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Posted: 7/31/2023 8:53:43 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sorry if this is a stupid question, what is the Nb column? I think it is showing number of points earned versus points available. |
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Posted: 7/31/2023 9:07:08 AM EST
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Thanks all.
Not alot of points back in the 50’s and 60’s! Assuming, you win you get A point and not all the other points scheme that are in play today. |
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Posted: 7/31/2023 9:21:40 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Max winning in 2021 turned that kid from a lump of Coal into a Diamond. Despite what some others think, he really is the combination of Senna and Michael at this point. He has never had a difficult car. Even the 2016 Toro Rosso was a pretty decent chassis. Comparisons to other drivers aren't practical in F1; the eras are so totally different. Senna was still in the Steer'n'stick era, where prior to the late 80s there wasn't even telemetry. Schumacher excelled in the short sprint era of refueling and high-deg tyres. There's something about Red Bull and how they manage their team. Look at Seb when he was there - he was unstoppable after 2010 and made his teammate - Webber was no slouch - look ordinary. Until 2014 when it was like he was a different person and Ricciardo completely outperformed him. Then the same happened to Ricciardo. They build the team around one person, while that person performs. |
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Posted: 7/31/2023 9:29:04 AM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I know it's boring, but you have to step back and appreciate that we really are watching history with Max and Redbull right now. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F2Wqj7nXEAA_r8N?format=jpg&name=medium The problem is people do step back - from their TVs. |
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Posted: 7/31/2023 10:44:43 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Toto and Horner were super chummy this weekend. A bit odd. They're comparing notes on how to get away with the overspending they've both done. |
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Posted: 7/31/2023 11:38:33 AM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They're comparing notes on how to get away with the overspending they've both done. It's very clear it's not enforceable. |
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Posted: 7/31/2023 12:59:32 PM EST
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Posted: 7/31/2023 1:44:57 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He has never had a difficult car. Even the 2016 Toro Rosso was a pretty decent chassis. Comparisons to other drivers aren't practical in F1; the eras are so totally different. Senna was still in the Steer'n'stick era, where prior to the late 80s there wasn't even telemetry. Schumacher excelled in the short sprint era of refueling and high-deg tyres. There's something about Red Bull and how they manage their team. Look at Seb when he was there - he was unstoppable after 2010 and made his teammate - Webber was no slouch - look ordinary. Until 2014 when it was like he was a different person and Ricciardo completely outperformed him. Then the same happened to Ricciardo. They build the team around one person, while that person performs. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Max winning in 2021 turned that kid from a lump of Coal into a Diamond. Despite what some others think, he really is the combination of Senna and Michael at this point. He has never had a difficult car. Even the 2016 Toro Rosso was a pretty decent chassis. Comparisons to other drivers aren't practical in F1; the eras are so totally different. Senna was still in the Steer'n'stick era, where prior to the late 80s there wasn't even telemetry. Schumacher excelled in the short sprint era of refueling and high-deg tyres. There's something about Red Bull and how they manage their team. Look at Seb when he was there - he was unstoppable after 2010 and made his teammate - Webber was no slouch - look ordinary. Until 2014 when it was like he was a different person and Ricciardo completely outperformed him. Then the same happened to Ricciardo. They build the team around one person, while that person performs. I see this a lot, but I can't fathom how. Giving Max more practice time? Sabotaging Checho's car? Why would they do that? I could see giving one car all the upgrades first or using one car to test new parts, but there shouldn't be a gap every week. |
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Posted: 7/31/2023 2:11:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks all. Not alot of points back in the 50’s and 60’s! Assuming, you win you get A point and not all the other points scheme that are in play today. Ascari won 6/8 races in the 1952 season. He missed the first race (Swiss GP) because he entered the Indy 500 (second race). He failed to score the the first two races then won the last six races on the calendar. The points are a bit misleading since he did not score in 2/8 races that season. |
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Posted: 7/31/2023 3:31:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I see this a lot, but I can't fathom how. Giving Max more practice time? Sabotaging Checho's car? Why would they do that? I could see giving one car all the upgrades first or using one car to test new parts, but there shouldn't be a gap every week. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Max winning in 2021 turned that kid from a lump of Coal into a Diamond. Despite what some others think, he really is the combination of Senna and Michael at this point. He has never had a difficult car. Even the 2016 Toro Rosso was a pretty decent chassis. Comparisons to other drivers aren't practical in F1; the eras are so totally different. Senna was still in the Steer'n'stick era, where prior to the late 80s there wasn't even telemetry. Schumacher excelled in the short sprint era of refueling and high-deg tyres. There's something about Red Bull and how they manage their team. Look at Seb when he was there - he was unstoppable after 2010 and made his teammate - Webber was no slouch - look ordinary. Until 2014 when it was like he was a different person and Ricciardo completely outperformed him. Then the same happened to Ricciardo. They build the team around one person, while that person performs. I see this a lot, but I can't fathom how. Giving Max more practice time? Sabotaging Checho's car? Why would they do that? I could see giving one car all the upgrades first or using one car to test new parts, but there shouldn't be a gap every week. It's mostly down to design philosophy of the car. Let's say Max likes a car with a strong front end, but Checo likes a balanced car. They would have to decide they were going to design around having a strong front end, then make the tuning adjustments to get as close to a balanced car as possible. It's just unrealistic to have two different design floors, wings, etc. from a cost/spares perspective. So they choose who they think has a better chance of getting the team points. Chances are the front end is too strong for Checo and there is only so much adjustment they can (or are willing to) make on it |
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Posted: 7/31/2023 4:45:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I see this a lot, but I can't fathom how. Giving Max more practice time? Sabotaging Checho's car? Why would they do that? I could see giving one car all the upgrades first or using one car to test new parts, but there shouldn't be a gap every week. Sport psychology. Giving your drivers Pit stop preference; subtly. Thinks like 'Multi 21' in Malaysia 2013, where Seb very much broke a gentleman's agreement. These things can have a huge effect on drivers. One could argue it led to Gilles Villeneuve's death, believing Pironi had screwed him over. Senna and Prost never came back from Imola '89. Prost left the team at the end of the year. Eddie Irvine said it was extremely difficult being Schumacher's teammate, and at his one chance to win the championship in '99 he thought that the team weren't unhappy he didn't do it instead of the injured Michael. It's subtle, like undermining in the press every week. Marko runs a deliberate PR campaign criticizing one driver. He has done this constantly. If you weren't familiar with RBR in 2010, Webber ran Vettel close (he was a championship contender until very late) and there was a lot of controversy about parts going to Vettel. Adrian Newey tells a different story; he liked Webber for development work as he thought he was better at it, but webber did not want a new front wing having tried it. However, Marko suggested to Media that Seb was their preferred driver, creating a psychological problem with Webber that eventually led to him basically folding. Newey was not happy with Marko for causing the whole problem. In case I'm not clear; there was not actually an issue, but Marko created the atmosphere that there was. ETA: Read this (from 2015) to get an idea of the dynamic at Red Bull. https://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/14211395/mark-webber-red-bull-strong-words-weak-management |
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Posted: 7/31/2023 6:00:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The problem is people do step back - from their TVs. Quote HistoryQuoted: The problem is people do step back - from their TVs. It’s odd then that this year, every single circuit F1 has gone to has seen record attendance. Different topic, this stat is actually insane. Max Verstappen has led 1835 laps since the start of the 2021 season. The rest of the Formula 1 grid over the last three seasons have combined to lead only 1480 laps in that span. |
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Posted: 7/31/2023 6:07:20 PM EST
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I thought Lewis and Checo were good friends? Lewis dissed him massively.
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