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Link Posted: 8/6/2023 4:32:00 PM EST
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Oh fun, now we can speculate on who will go to Ferrari.





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Ferrari was pretty quick to gun down rumors about Albon a few weeks ago.
Link Posted: 8/6/2023 4:51:09 PM EST
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I think the dudes made enough horrible decisions for one career.
Link Posted: 8/6/2023 5:03:38 PM EST
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Good thread.
Link Posted: 8/6/2023 5:26:12 PM EST
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I think the dudes made enough horrible decisions for one career.
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I think the dudes made enough horrible decisions for one career.


Why would he want his Soul crushed for a third time?
Link Posted: 8/7/2023 8:28:04 AM EST
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Ferrari was pretty quick to gun down rumors about Albon a few weeks ago.
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Oh fun, now we can speculate on who will go to Ferrari.





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Ferrari was pretty quick to gun down rumors about Albon a few weeks ago.

I could see Ocon or Gasly as possibilities to Ferrari.  They both have moments of brilliance (and stupidity) but there's only so much they can do in sub-par cars.

Checo is also a likely candidate if he gets dropped from RB but despite his bad string of races, he IS #2 in the driver's championship and earning the team a lot of points in the constructors' so I think the "he's going to get cut" stories are a little overblown.  Hopefully he's able to finish out the season strong.
Link Posted: 8/7/2023 8:35:58 AM EST
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I could see Ocon or Gasly as possibilities to Ferrari.  They both have moments of brilliance (and stupidity) but there's only so much they can do in sub-par cars.

Checo is also a likely candidate if he gets dropped from RB but despite his bad string of races, he IS #2 in the driver's championship and earning the team a lot of points in the constructors' so I think the "he's going to get cut" stories are a little overblown.  Hopefully he's able to finish out the season strong.
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If he gets passed in points by anyone else he'll be gone.  I don't think there is any doubt about that.
Link Posted: 8/7/2023 11:20:31 AM EST
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No.
Link Posted: 8/7/2023 1:05:28 PM EST
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Toto no! It's not right!

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Link Posted: 8/7/2023 2:23:13 PM EST
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Christian Horner up the mountainside in a ghillie suit?
Link Posted: 8/7/2023 2:33:00 PM EST
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Surprised he hasn't fractured his right arm with all the table smashing lately...

Link Posted: 8/7/2023 2:33:10 PM EST
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Christian Horner up the mountainside in a ghillie suit?
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Christian Horner up the mountainside in a ghillie suit?



Him or Lewis ??
Link Posted: 8/7/2023 3:51:50 PM EST
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Downhill mountain biking? Or mountain biking downhill? There’s a big difference.
Link Posted: 8/7/2023 4:08:45 PM EST
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Him or Lewis ??
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Him or Lewis ??


Link Posted: 8/8/2023 7:24:43 AM EST
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Supposedly Leclerc signs new Ferrari F1 extension....why does he hate himself so much?
Link Posted: 8/8/2023 8:19:41 AM EST
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IDK maybe he’s a very loyal individual and is hoping to hold on through the 26 rule changes. There will be a mix up but to what extent? In the meantime he gets to suffer and have his efforts wasted.

Alternate theory: current market for the top three teams won’t change much and everything will carry on as is.
Link Posted: 8/8/2023 10:08:26 AM EST
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IDK maybe he’s a very loyal individual and is hoping to hold on through the 26 rule changes. There will be a mix up but to what extent? In the meantime he gets to suffer and have his efforts wasted.

Alternate theory: current market for the top three teams won’t change much and everything will carry on as is.
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I'm in the alternate theory camp.
Anywhere else he could go could wind up being much worse than where he's at.
Link Posted: 8/8/2023 12:35:08 PM EST
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Thoughts on $350 GA (3day) ticket for COTA this year? Worth it as a first in-person F1 race? Just came up as Costco member deal. Debating it.
Link Posted: 8/8/2023 12:38:42 PM EST
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That's not bad.  Just over $100/day.  I'd FO.
Link Posted: 8/8/2023 12:41:57 PM EST
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Just do it. It's not going to get any cheaper.
Link Posted: 8/8/2023 2:06:12 PM EST
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I'd do it for that.
Link Posted: 8/8/2023 4:02:22 PM EST
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Hell of a lot cheaper than my T-12 GS seats, I’d do it.  Hell I think I paid 100 for GA in 2015 for Sunday only so 350 for the weekend in 2023 doesn’t sound all that bad.
Link Posted: 8/8/2023 9:42:01 PM EST
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Link Posted: 8/9/2023 11:39:07 AM EST
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A while back I mentioned that the pit lane rumor was that Aston fell afoul of some regs (via Autosport).

In their mid season review podcast, they mentioned that it was concerning front wing flex. Once that was changed, the downstream aero was affected and the car didn’t work as originally designed.
Link Posted: 8/9/2023 1:51:28 PM EST
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A while back I mentioned that the pit lane rumor was that Aston fell afoul of some regs (via Autosport).

In their mid season review podcast, they mentioned that it was concerning front wing flex. Once that was changed, the downstream aero was affected and the car didn’t work as originally designed.
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Ouch. Considering they were already at a loss due to aero that hurts hard.
Link Posted: 8/9/2023 3:06:08 PM EST
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Damn. That’s gonna hit hard now too with the new aero testing allocations.
Link Posted: 8/9/2023 6:20:40 PM EST
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Link Posted: 8/10/2023 12:29:55 PM EST
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Hmm…

Link Posted: 8/10/2023 12:33:45 PM EST
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I thought Stroll was doing pretty decent overall?
Link Posted: 8/10/2023 1:03:55 PM EST
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We already know how to make a Red Bull slower.  Put Sergio Perez in it.
Link Posted: 8/10/2023 4:27:52 PM EST
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Interesting.
Link Posted: 8/11/2023 2:18:02 PM EST
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Link Posted: 8/11/2023 3:32:58 PM EST
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LOL.....
Link Posted: 8/12/2023 7:31:26 AM EST
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This would have been wild

Link Posted: 8/12/2023 8:41:46 AM EST
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If Ham went to Ferrari, his incessant whining about strategy would be unbearable.
Link Posted: 8/12/2023 10:09:47 AM EST
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Whats sad is...if he actually went to Ferrari...they'd magically get their shit together and he'd win his 8th.
Link Posted: 8/12/2023 12:41:41 PM EST
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If Ham went to Ferrari, his incessant whining about strategy would be unbearable.


As opposed to now where his incessant whining about everything is unbearable.
Link Posted: 8/14/2023 11:07:37 AM EST
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Enzo Ferrari died 35 years ago today.

Let's remember the glory days

Link Posted: 8/14/2023 7:32:34 PM EST
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Love that.  Forza Enzo.
Link Posted: 8/15/2023 9:05:59 AM EST
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And the last car he oversaw was - and still is - their best.



Link Posted: 8/15/2023 3:52:47 PM EST
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These are always fun:

F1 Animated! The 2023 Season So Far
Link Posted: 8/16/2023 11:15:02 PM EST
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F1 Car Inside Casino?! | ¡Vamos, Vegas! feat. Checo Perez & Christian Horner
Link Posted: 8/17/2023 9:55:49 AM EST
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That was a load of cheese.

I wonder if they used Checo for the video to quiet some of the "Red Bull is going to replace Perez" talk or if they asked Max and he said "fuck that".
Link Posted: 8/17/2023 11:07:15 AM EST
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That was a load of cheese.

I wonder if they used Checo for the video to quiet some of the "Red Bull is going to replace Perez" talk or if they asked Max and he said "fuck that".
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They used Checo 'cause this was prime Danny Ric work, but his schedule got full all of a sudden.  So Checo gets to do the cheesy promo shit.
Link Posted: 8/17/2023 11:16:20 AM EST
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They used Checo 'cause this was prime Danny Ric work, but his schedule got full all of a sudden.  So Checo gets to do the cheesy promo shit.
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That was a load of cheese.

I wonder if they used Checo for the video to quiet some of the "Red Bull is going to replace Perez" talk or if they asked Max and he said "fuck that".
They used Checo 'cause this was prime Danny Ric work, but his schedule got full all of a sudden.  So Checo gets to do the cheesy promo shit.



It would have been funnier with Danny ??
Link Posted: 8/17/2023 12:26:08 PM EST
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That was a load of cheese.

I wonder if they used Checo for the video to quiet some of the "Red Bull is going to replace Perez" talk or if they asked Max and he said "fuck that".
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That was a load of cheese.

I wonder if they used Checo for the video to quiet some of the "Red Bull is going to replace Perez" talk or if they asked Max and he said "fuck that".


Checo did the show run in November 2022 (when the strip footage was filmed).
Link Posted: 8/17/2023 2:35:13 PM EST
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Massa's lawyers seek compensation for lost 2008 F1 title

It's not about Timo Glock in Brazil, it's about Crashgate.

Aug 17 (Reuters) - Lawyers for former Ferrari driver Felipe Massa have started legal action against Formula One bosses and the governing FIA seeking substantial damages resulting from an alleged "conspiracy" that denied him the 2008 championship.

A formal eight-page Letter Before Claim, seen by Reuters, was sent to Formula One chief executive Stefano Domenicali and Paris-based FIA president Mohammed Ben Sulayem on Aug. 15.

Such a letter is a required formal legal notice before court proceedings.

London-based Enyo Law said Brazilian Massa, now 42, had been "the victim of a conspiracy committed by individuals at the highest level of F1 together with the FIA and Formula One Management".

It said Massa had lost out on tens of millions of euros in lost earnings and bonuses as a result of another driver's deliberate crash at the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix that was allegedly covered up before becoming a scandal in 2009.

The crash cost Massa vital points in a season where he ultimately lost out by a single point to McLaren's Lewis Hamilton, the first of the Briton's record-equalling seven.

"Simply put, Mr Massa is the rightful 2008 Driver's Champion, and F1 and FIA deliberately ignored the misconduct that cheated him out of that title," said the letter.

"Mr Massa is unable to fully quantify his losses at this stage but estimates that they are likely to exceed tens of millions of Euros.

"This amount does not cover the serious moral and reputational losses suffered by Mr Massa."

Massa sought legal advice after former F1 supremo Bernie Ecclestone was quoted in March as saying he and former FIA president Max Mosley knew in 2008 that then-Renault driver Nelson Piquet's crash was deliberate but had not acted.

An FIA spokesperson said the governing body acknowledged receipt of "correspondence" from Massa's representatives, and added: "The matter is under review and we will not be providing comment at this stage."

There was no immediate response from Formula One, which is on an August shutdown. Domenicali was previously Massa's team boss at Ferrari.

Ecclestone, 92, told Reuters by telephone from Switzerland he could not remember saying the key quotes attributed to him.

"I don't remember any of this, to be honest," said the Briton, who was replaced as F1 supremo in 2017 after U.S.-based Liberty Media took over as commercial rights holders.

"I don't remember giving the interview for sure."

He said neither Massa nor the Brazilian's lawyers had approached him to ask what he might have said.

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Massa was leading the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix from pole position when fellow Brazilian Piquet crashed into the wall on lap 14 of 61.

The crash triggered the safety car and benefited Piquet's Spanish team mate Fernando Alonso, who won the race. Massa failed to score after a bungled pitstop.

Piquet revealed in 2009 that he had been told to crash by Renault team bosses, who were subsequently banned.

In this year's interview with www.f1-insider.com Ecclestone was quoted as saying he still felt sorry for Massa: "He was cheated out of the title he deserved, while Hamilton had all the luck in the world and won his first championship."

Massa told Reuters in May that he wanted justice.

"If the most important people from Formula One and the FIA knew in 2008 and didn’t do anything, you think that was fair? It’s not fair," he said.

The lawyers' letter warned that, without a satisfactory response, Massa intended to "pursue legal action in order to seek compensation for the harm he has suffered."

He also wanted "recognition that, but for those unlawful acts, he would have been awarded the 2008 Championship."

The lawyers said that, in the absence of a substantive reply within 14 days, they expected to be instructed "to commence legal proceedings in the English courts without further notice to you".

Massa did not win again after 2008, with the Brazilian suffering a near-fatal head injury at the 2009 Hungarian Grand Prix. He retired in 2017.

Mosley, who worked closely with Ecclestone, died in 2021 while FIA race director Charlie Whiting, another key figure, died in 2019.

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Hope someone else is paying the legal bills, because that’s going nowhere.  The premise that he would have won the race, or even scored points,, with 100% certainly is something that’s impossible to prove.  Likely, maybe, but anything could have happened over the remaining 47 laps, and that doesn’t only affect him, it may affect the finishing or other drivers.  How could any judge possible work that out?  Not to mention, the person to sue, if anyone, is Nelson Piquet Jr, or maybe his own pit stop crew.  If they weren’t going to give Hamilton the title for 2021, they aren’t going to give Massa the title for 2008.  I like Massa as a person before this, and this is greatly disappointing.
Link Posted: 8/17/2023 4:23:12 PM EST
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It sounded more like Massa going after compensation, “lost wages” sort of thing.
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