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Posted: 9/2/2023 10:26:14 AM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah WTF. It defies any sort of logic how they manage to fuck something up every damn time. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 10:27:13 AM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There will be a maximum lap time of 1:41 during qualifying to try to limit the nonsense. This includes in laps at out laps. It's coming into play now. Investigations inbound |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 10:50:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's coming into play now. Investigations inbound Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There will be a maximum lap time of 1:41 during qualifying to try to limit the nonsense. This includes in laps at out laps. It's coming into play now. Investigations inbound
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Posted: 9/2/2023 11:02:00 AM EDT
[#4]
I believe sainz benefited from both leclerc and Verstappen far slipstream
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Posted: 9/2/2023 11:02:03 AM EDT
[#5]
Wowser!
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Posted: 9/2/2023 11:02:43 AM EDT
[#6]
Woohoo Sainz, looking good this weekend so far.
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Posted: 9/2/2023 11:02:46 AM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
No penalty given |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 11:03:07 AM EDT
[#8]
No further action on Ferrari… wow they held on…
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Posted: 9/2/2023 11:03:19 AM EDT
[#9]
Nice job, Ferrari. Now let's see how you do in the race itself.
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Posted: 9/2/2023 11:03:29 AM EDT
[#10]
Nice!!!
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Posted: 9/2/2023 11:04:16 AM EDT
[#11]
Man that's a tight top 3
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Posted: 9/2/2023 11:04:19 AM EDT
[#12]
I believe leclerc paid the fact of having no slipstream at all.
It’s so close that even a very far one could have helped |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 11:04:59 AM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No penalty given Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted:
No penalty given I’ll bite my tongue… |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 11:05:10 AM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nice job, Ferrari. Now let's see how you do in the race itself. I believe they purposely changed the setting to favor the race more than quali comparatively to the past |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 11:05:39 AM EDT
[#15]
Fantastic job
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Posted: 9/2/2023 11:06:29 AM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ll bite my tongue… Well, they didn’t give a penalty to Verstappen in Austria for impeding, you think they were gonna take a pole away from Ferrari in Monza for stepping aside and letting cars that were on on fast lap through ? |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 11:07:41 AM EDT
[#17]
Leclerc just confirmed that not having any slipstream prolly costed him the pole
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Posted: 9/2/2023 11:11:52 AM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, they didn’t give a penalty to Verstappen in Austria for impeding, you think they were gonna take a pole away from Ferrari in Monza for stepping aside and letting car that were on on fast lap through ? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I’ll bite my tongue… Well, they didn’t give a penalty to Verstappen in Austria for impeding, you think they were gonna take a pole away from Ferrari in Monza for stepping aside and letting car that were on on fast lap through ? I honestly don’t care that they were not penalized (even if they were guilty, etc.). But change teams and home tracks and some folks would have lost their minds. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 11:15:44 AM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I honestly don’t care that they were not penalized (even if they were guilty, etc.). But change teams and home tracks and some folks would have lost their minds. they only would have if there was a omnidirectional selective enforcement of the rules.... what happened in Austria before proved there wasnt one in this case. Also, the rule was introduced for a purpose and has exceptions included in it. Basically they wanted drivers to avoid jamming the track in the last sector. The reason both Ferrari were slower was because they slowed down to let some driver through in their fast lap, not because they jammed traffic. Which is one of the exceptions. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 11:21:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: they only would have if there was a omnidirectional selective enforcement of the rules.... what happened in Austria before proved there wasnt one in this case. Also, the rule was introduced for a purpose and has exceptions included in it. Basically they wanted drivers to avoid jamming the track in the last sector. The reason both Ferrari were slower was because they slowed down to let some driver through in their fast lap, not because they jammed traffic. Which is one of the exceptions. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I honestly don’t care that they were not penalized (even if they were guilty, etc.). But change teams and home tracks and some folks would have lost their minds. they only would have if there was a omnidirectional selective enforcement of the rules.... what happened in Austria before proved there wasnt one in this case. Also, the rule was introduced for a purpose and has exceptions included in it. Basically they wanted drivers to avoid jamming the track in the last sector. The reason both Ferrari were slower was because they slowed down to let some driver through in their fast lap, not because they jammed traffic. Which is one of the exceptions. I shouldn’t be shocked that Ferrari were the only team that ran into that issue. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 11:27:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I shouldn’t be shocked that Ferrari were the only team that ran into that issue. maybe they were the only ones not impeding at all ? are you seriously going to bother about something totally insignificant that happened in Q1 and that litterally didnt damage anyone at all ? (and which nobody even noticed but the chrono ?) |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 1:07:03 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nice job, Ferrari. Now let's see how you do in the race itself. They will get destroyed by Max tomorrow. They might have the pace during a few laps in Quali, but they aren't even close in race pace. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 1:32:04 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They will get destroyed by the RB-19 tomorrow. They might have the pace during a few laps in Quali, but they aren't even close in race pace. Fixed it for you |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 2:15:52 PM EDT
[#24]
Ferrari’s race pace is fine, for a couple of laps after the start. Before tire-eater mode kicks in.
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Posted: 9/2/2023 2:15:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fixed it for you Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They will get destroyed by the RB-19 tomorrow. They might have the pace during a few laps in Quali, but they aren't even close in race pace. Fixed it for you Your continued insinuation that Verstappen isn't the best driver in the field is just laughable at this point. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 3:11:18 PM EDT
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I guess Stroll has just given up at this point??? -GOOD-
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Posted: 9/2/2023 3:35:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Your continued insinuation that Verstappen isn't the best driver in the field is just laughable at this point. He's just trying to troll me. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 3:36:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ferrari’s race pace is fine, for a couple of laps after the start. Before tire-eater mode kicks in. This. Max will be around them within 5 laps if not into the first corner. Granted I hope Max plays it some what safe as I want to see him claim a record that will likely not be beaten for a long long time. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 3:37:58 PM EDT
[#29]
LOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lec needs to take out Ves on lap one and give Carlos a chance. KAMIKAZE! |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 3:42:52 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/2/2023 5:37:32 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This. Max will be around them within 5 laps if not into the first corner. Granted I hope Max plays it some what safe as I want to see him claim a record that will likely not be beaten for a long long time. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Ferrari’s race pace is fine, for a couple of laps after the start. Before tire-eater mode kicks in. This. Max will be around them within 5 laps if not into the first corner. Granted I hope Max plays it some what safe as I want to see him claim a record that will likely not be beaten for a long long time. This one might be a bit tricky for Red Bull. Granted, there isn’t much actual long run data (everyone was only doing 5-7 laps) and tire wear is on the lower side, but there hasn’t been the usual evidence of RB dominating. Breaking DRS after a pass is going to be a bitch so we could see a combination of dualing DRS battles between 2nd and 3rd keeping the pressure on or just straight persistent harrying via DRS from 2nd to apply the pressure, but their has to be no opportunity to nurse the tires. ETA: Looks like all of the long runs today were done on softs, so who knows. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 5:39:01 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: LOS!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lec needs to take out Ves on lap one and give Carlos a chance. KAMIKAZE! The way Leclerc’s been driving lately, there’s good chance of that happening. Greater than 50-50 chance that they’ll touch at the first corner. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 5:40:37 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ferrari’s race pace is fine, for a couple of laps after the start. Before tire-eater mode kicks in. Laughs in HAAS. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 6:01:44 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This one might be a bit tricky for Red Bull. Granted, there isn’t much actual long run data (everyone was only doing 5-7 laps) and tire wear is on the lower side, but there hasn’t been the usual evidence of RB dominating. Breaking DRS after a pass is going to be a bitch so we could see a combination of dualing DRS battles between 2nd and 3rd keeping the pressure on or just straight persistent harrying via DRS from 2nd to apply the pressure, but their has to be no opportunity to nurse the tires. ETA: Looks like all of the long runs today were done on softs, so who knows. We'll see. Max didn't get a tow? But Sainz did for sure...that easily accounts for the difference. And we've seen time and time again....Ferrari does decent in Quali...but then is a massive shit show during the actual race for a variety of reasons. Their car just doesn't have the race pace to keep up. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 6:06:50 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Your continued insinuation that Verstappen isn't the best driver in the field is just laughable at this point. never said that though. he is without argument the best (not always the fastest, but the more reliable and constant for sure). that being said, the only reason he would 'destroy' anyone tomorrow, is 90% on the RB-19. your continued belief that he crushes the championship for other reasons than an ultra dominating car is ridiculous. Suffice to go back to the first half of 2022 to realize that. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 6:08:28 PM EDT
[#36]
Ferrari's only chance tomorrow, and its about 5% is to split startegy with 2 drivers.. I would let Sainz, if he start on P1, to go as long as possible for 1 pit stop and I would stop leclerc ultra early, for an undercut and 2 pit stops..
that would force red bull to cover, one or the other strategies, and MAYBE, maybe.. it could work. but again, its 5% at best |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 6:10:15 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Your continued insinuation that Verstappen isn't the best driver in the field is just laughable at this point. btw, if he so dominant, please explain me how Perez, who is average at best, beat him so 'many' times (I would say 5-6 times if we dont count the DNF or mechanical failures ? ) |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 6:11:48 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We'll see. Max didn't get a tow? But Sainz did for sure...that easily accounts for the difference. And we've seen time and time again....Ferrari does decent in Quali...but then is a massive shit show during the actual race for a variety of reasons. Their car just doesn't have the race pace to keep up. max got about the same tow from leclerc than sainz got fom max, I would say. the only one without a tow was CHarles |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 6:15:13 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We'll see. Max didn't get a tow? But Sainz did for sure...that easily accounts for the difference. And we've seen time and time again....Ferrari does decent in Quali...but then is a massive shit show during the actual race for a variety of reasons. Their car just doesn't have the race pace to keep up. I’d say there is 95% chances you are right. These were race pace on fp2 though  Max, Norris, Perez , leclerc, ham, sainz, russel |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 6:18:02 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’d say there is 95% chances you are right. These were race pace on fp2 though https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/146967/CE5F8E91-77B6-4B34-A19F-24DFF0DDF333-2940611.png Max, Norris, Perez , leclerc, ham, sainz, russel Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We'll see. Max didn't get a tow? But Sainz did for sure...that easily accounts for the difference. And we've seen time and time again....Ferrari does decent in Quali...but then is a massive shit show during the actual race for a variety of reasons. Their car just doesn't have the race pace to keep up. I’d say there is 95% chances you are right. These were race pace on fp2 though https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/146967/CE5F8E91-77B6-4B34-A19F-24DFF0DDF333-2940611.png Max, Norris, Perez , leclerc, ham, sainz, russel Looks like that is only showing 3 laps for Leclerc which doesn’t really account for much. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 7:04:11 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: never said that though. he is without argument the best (not always the fastest, but the more reliable and constant for sure). that being said, the only reason he would 'destroy' anyone tomorrow, is 90% on the RB-19. your continued belief that he crushes the championship for other reasons than an ultra dominating car is ridiculous. Suffice to go back to the first half of 2022 to realize that. That’s true for anyone. Without the car, it’s not gonna happen |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 7:10:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’d say there is 95% chances you are right. These were race pace on fp2 though https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/146967/CE5F8E91-77B6-4B34-A19F-24DFF0DDF333-2940611.png Max, Norris, Perez , leclerc, ham, sainz, russel Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We'll see. Max didn't get a tow? But Sainz did for sure...that easily accounts for the difference. And we've seen time and time again....Ferrari does decent in Quali...but then is a massive shit show during the actual race for a variety of reasons. Their car just doesn't have the race pace to keep up. I’d say there is 95% chances you are right. These were race pace on fp2 though https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/146967/CE5F8E91-77B6-4B34-A19F-24DFF0DDF333-2940611.png Max, Norris, Perez , leclerc, ham, sainz, russel Why are there different colored vaginas on the screen? I can't be the only one who sees that. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 7:38:30 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like that is only showing 3 laps for Leclerc which doesn’t really account for much. And four for Perez and 5 for Verstappen. That’s because that was the extent in fp2 |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 7:40:00 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s true for anyone. Without the car, it’s not gonna happen Indeed |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 7:42:49 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why are there different colored vaginas on the screen? I can't be the only one who sees that. Vulvae is the term you are looking for. This is a technical discussion, words have meaning for fuck sake (pun intended) |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 7:44:36 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And four for Perez and 5 for Verstappen. That’s because that was the extent in fp2 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Looks like that is only showing 3 laps for Leclerc which doesn’t really account for much. And four for Perez and 5 for Verstappen. That’s because that was the extent in fp2 Indeed. There just isn’t enough data. Last year a one stop was preferable so they are going to be on them for a while. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 7:49:06 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Indeed. There just isn’t enough data. Last year a one stop was preferable so they are going to be on them for a while. If I were Ferrari I’d make 2 stops for leclerc. Try it all. Push it to the max. separate your strategy from max with one driver, so if something unexpected happen you have a chance. If you are doing the same race as the RB-19 you have lost already |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 7:59:20 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If I were Ferrari I’d make 2 stops for leclerc. Try it all. Push it to the max. separate your strategy from max with one driver, so if something unexpected happen you have a chance. If you are doing the same race as the RB-19 you have lost already Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Indeed. There just isn’t enough data. Last year a one stop was preferable so they are going to be on them for a while. If I were Ferrari I’d make 2 stops for leclerc. Try it all. Push it to the max. separate your strategy from max with one driver, so if something unexpected happen you have a chance. If you are doing the same race as the RB-19 you have lost already That is what they did last year. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 8:12:42 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If I were Ferrari I’d make 2 stops for leclerc. Try it all. Push it to the max. separate your strategy from max with one driver, so if something unexpected happen you have a chance. If you are doing the same race as the RB-19 you have lost already And then if it doesn’t work, people will be complaining that Ferrari fucked up the strategy again. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 9:14:01 PM EDT
[#50]
If I were Ferrari I would get the cars in 1st and 2nd, then fuck up the strategy so that they finish 9th and 11th.
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