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View Quote Not going to lie I was looking for a reason to drop WTF1 with the new cast and you just gave me a reason to do it. |
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2026 is the most important season in modern F1 history. With the influx of new fans and the sport’s rise in popularity, they run an extreme risk of “killing the show” with a new PU formula. Aero changes are easy to regulate, PU changes (to improve the competition) are not. A repeat of 2014-2020 would be a disaster.
All of the weird qualifying “test changes” and proposed design and regulation changes are built for one reason. To allow the FIA and FOM to control the show. We are quickly moving into an era of pure entertainment with a sprinkling of sport. https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/f1-explains-plan-for-active-aero-to-improve-racing-for-2026/10422851/ |
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2022 season recap, is it race week yet?
The Biggest F1 Stories of 2022! |
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Red Bull is “debuting” the 2023 car in New York. There won’t be an actual car there, but part of the agenda is speaking about 2026.
Rumor floating around is Ford will be announced as the partner. |
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Quoted: Ford as a partner to RBR? I thought Honda was sticking around? m View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Red Bull is "debuting" the 2023 car in New York. There won't be an actual car there, but part of the agenda is speaking about 2026. Rumor floating around is Ford will be announced as the partner. m Power unit “partner”. RBPT was tailor made for a manufacturer to “support” without having to do the work and spending huge amounts of cash. Honda is providing support on the current PU project through 2025, but they have been waffling around about 2026. |
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Quoted: Power unit “partner”. RBPT was tailor made for a manufacturer to “support” without having to do the work and spending huge amounts of cash. Honda is providing support on the current PU project through 2025, but they have been waffling around about 2026. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Red Bull is "debuting" the 2023 car in New York. There won't be an actual car there, but part of the agenda is speaking about 2026. Rumor floating around is Ford will be announced as the partner. m Power unit “partner”. RBPT was tailor made for a manufacturer to “support” without having to do the work and spending huge amounts of cash. Honda is providing support on the current PU project through 2025, but they have been waffling around about 2026. I will laugh so hard if Ford gets in and GM/Caddy doesn’t. I also want to see the steam come off my uncles head. He just retired from an executive level position in GMs vehicle development section. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Red Bull is “debuting” the 2023 car in New York. There won’t be an actual car there, but part of the agenda is speaking about 2026. Rumor floating around is Ford will be announced as the partner. Wtf?? Somebody was going to take advantage of the RBPT offer. It’s the only deal in town that goes beyond rebadging, but doesn’t require being the sole source for actually designing and building the PU’s. |
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Quoted: Somebody was going to take advantage of the RBPT offer. It’s the only deal in town that goes beyond rebadging, but doesn’t require being the sole source for actually designing and building the PU’s. View Quote I was hoping it would be Honda. They seem to have a good grasp of the hybrid system. |
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Some interesting goings on in the FOM vs FIA fight.
As we saw earlier, FIA President Mohammed Ben Suyalem went out of his way to throw the F1 stakeholders under the bus concerning Andretti. FOM and the teams politely told him to STFU and stay in his lane. Recently, a report came out stating that the Saudi’s had made an offer to buy F1 for $20 billion, which Liberty rejected. Suyalem tweeted the below in response:
This news is now breaking:
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Quoted: Some interesting goings on in the FOM vs FIA fight. As we saw earlier, FIA President Mohammed Ben Suyalem went out of his way to throw the F1 stakeholders under the bus concerning Andretti. FOM and the teams politely told him to STFU and stay in his lane. Recently, a report came out stating that the Saudi’s had made an offer to buy F1 for $20 billion, which Liberty rejected. Suyalem tweeted the below in response:
This news is now breaking:
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Quoted: Quoted: Some interesting goings on in the FOM vs FIA fight. As we saw earlier, FIA President Mohammed Ben Suyalem went out of his way to throw the F1 stakeholders under the bus concerning Andretti. FOM and the teams politely told him to STFU and stay in his lane. Recently, a report came out stating that the Saudi’s had made an offer to buy F1 for $20 billion, which Liberty rejected. Suyalem tweeted the below in response:
This news is now breaking:
What a shit show. I was wondering when things would escalate between MBS and Liberty. |
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Hamilton on a recent podcast:
You shouldn’t be able to have billions. There should be a limit to how much you can have. Because there’s enough to go around to everyone. So somehow creating a law that creates more equality and equal access for everyone. I don’t know how you would implement that law. View Quote |
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Quoted: I was wondering when things would escalate between MBS and Liberty. View Quote He is a legal liability to the FIA at this point. The below article has excerpts from the FOM letter. https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/12794335/f1-sends-incendiary-letter-to-fia-after-mohammed-ben-sulayems-inflated-price-tags-of-20bn-claim |
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Quoted: Let the hype train begin!
View Quote I think the key for Ferrari is whether they can get their engine back up to the power level it had at the beginning of the 2022 season. It’s pretty clear that in the second part of the season they had to drop the engine output for reliability. If they can get back to full power and be reliable, they could be a real contender. |
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FmwoVg-XkAANXcE?format=jpg&name=large View Quote That’s going to be fun when it rains. |
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Quoted: I think the key for Ferrari is whether they can get their engine back up to the power level it had at the beginning of the 2022 season. It’s pretty clear that in the second part of the season they had to drop the engine output for reliability. If they can get back to full power and be reliable, they could be a real contender. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Let the hype train begin!
I think the key for Ferrari is whether they can get their engine back up to the power level it had at the beginning of the 2022 season. It’s pretty clear that in the second part of the season they had to drop the engine output for reliability. If they can get back to full power and be reliable, they could be a real contender. Assuming the other engine builders haven't picked up some power. Frozen is a relative term. |
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Quoted: He is a legal liability to the FIA at this point. The below article has excerpts from the FOM letter. https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/12794335/f1-sends-incendiary-letter-to-fia-after-mohammed-ben-sulayems-inflated-price-tags-of-20bn-claim View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I was wondering when things would escalate between MBS and Liberty. He is a legal liability to the FIA at this point. The below article has excerpts from the FOM letter. https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/12794335/f1-sends-incendiary-letter-to-fia-after-mohammed-ben-sulayems-inflated-price-tags-of-20bn-claim He's going to end up being the shortest termed FIA president in history. |
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Do you still have both kidneys?
Canada is a relative bargain since I can drive to it. Miami looks fun but flashy and expensive. |
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I don't know if this video has been posted or discussed here before, but I'm just seeing it.
Basically just Max doing a lap of Monaco on a simulator, but what I found interesting, if you skip to about 0:30s, he drops it into N for the hairpin. Is this typical? Do all drivers do this? I would have thought they'd keep it in 1st. @Citrix Virtual Lap: Max Verstappen at the Monaco Grand Prix |
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If ya'll would tolerate another couple of dumb noob question:
Do they always run a track in the same direction? I seem to remember seeing pit lanes on either side of the tracks throughout the season, so it's not as though that would be a concern. Are there other safety/logistical issues I'm not thinking of? Tires. How much rubber (pounds? tons?) gets deposited on a track during the course of a race? 2 stops each for 20-ish cars is 160 tires thereabouts, so how much of that actually winds up as marbles? Some portions of some tracks look like gravel roads by the end of a race. |
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Quoted: I don't know if this video has been posted or discussed here before, but I'm just seeing it. Basically just Max doing a lap of Monaco on a simulator, but what I found interesting, if you skip to about 0:30s, he drops it into N for the hairpin. Is this typical? Do all drivers do this? I would have thought they'd keep it in 1st. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0g5mgabHXs View Quote |
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Quoted: If ya'll would tolerate another couple of dumb noob question: Do they always run a track in the same direction? I seem to remember seeing pit lanes on either side of the tracks throughout the season, so it's not as though that would be a concern. Are there other safety/logistical issues I'm not thinking of? Tires. How much rubber (pounds? tons?) gets deposited on a track during the course of a race? 2 stops each for 20-ish cars is 160 tires thereabouts, so how much of that actually winds up as marbles? Some portions of some tracks look like gravel roads by the end of a race. View Quote Maybe F2, Porsche Cup, possibly some others as well. So unless there is a heavy rain somewhere along the way, the track collects a lot of rubber. |
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Quoted: If ya'll would tolerate another couple of dumb noob question: Do they always run a track in the same direction? I seem to remember seeing pit lanes on either side of the tracks throughout the season, so it's not as though that would be a concern. Are there other safety/logistical issues I'm not thinking of? View Quote No they don't all run the same direction, but there are things to consider for the track that are important. Barrier placement, not only with the soft barrier but also how track entry points for safety crews etc are configured. Pit lanes can be tricky sometimes with how they would enter or exit the racing line. |
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Quoted: Not all circuits run the same direction. @deadtired View Quote My most immediate frame of reference is COTA, so end with a big downhill into the pit straight (which, now that I think about it, yeah that may be dumb) rather than start the lap going uphill. EDIT: @racerpk11 answered that one pretty well. |
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Quoted: Keep in mind that there is other on-track racing throughout the weekend from support series. Maybe F2, Porsche Cup, possibly some others as well. So unless there is a heavy rain somewhere along the way, the track collects a lot of rubber. View Quote I'm more thinking of the fields of marbles that accumulate. Presumably that gets cleaned up between races, right? |
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Quoted: Right, but would it be possible to run them in the opposite direction from "normal"? My most immediate frame of reference is COTA, so end with a big downhill into the pit straight (which, now that I think about it, yeah that may be dumb) rather than start the lap going uphill. EDIT: @racerpk11 answered that one pretty well. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Not all circuits run the same direction. @deadtired My most immediate frame of reference is COTA, so end with a big downhill into the pit straight (which, now that I think about it, yeah that may be dumb) rather than start the lap going uphill. EDIT: @racerpk11 answered that one pretty well. here's an article that goes into detail bout that. https://racer.com/2020/04/23/medland-could-any-circuit-really-run-an-f1-race-backwards/ United States – COTA Shock: Another one that actually looks like it could do it. OK, you’d ideally have a bit more run-off for the new Turn 1, but it’s a slow corner so it’s almost passable. Maybe. Most other areas appear to have enough space, and like Silverstone the high-speed sector (the first sector when run in the normal direction) would be just as good either way. but for most current F1 tracks, no. the layouts just don't support it. that doesn't even take into account the stuff racerpk11 talked about. And of course, none of this takes into account the logistics of things like the angle of certain barriers, pit entries and exits, marshal posts, starting grids etc, but that would really have ruined the fun. |
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Quoted: Assuming the other engine builders haven't picked up some power. Frozen is a relative term. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Let the hype train begin!
I think the key for Ferrari is whether they can get their engine back up to the power level it had at the beginning of the 2022 season. It’s pretty clear that in the second part of the season they had to drop the engine output for reliability. If they can get back to full power and be reliable, they could be a real contender. Assuming the other engine builders haven't picked up some power. Frozen is a relative term. True, but getting back at least to where they were is a start. If they can’t even get back there, they’re done. |
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Quoted: I don't know if this video has been posted or discussed here before, but I'm just seeing it. Basically just Max doing a lap of Monaco on a simulator, but what I found interesting, if you skip to about 0:30s, he drops it into N for the hairpin. Is this typical? Do all drivers do this? I would have thought they'd keep it in 1st. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0g5mgabHXs View Quote Maybe the cornering speed for the hairpin is so slow that the engine will stall in first (or anti-stall will kick in), Minimum revs on a F1 car are a lot higher than on a road car. |
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Quoted: True, but getting back at least to where they were is a start. If they can’t even get back there, they’re done. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Let the hype train begin!
I think the key for Ferrari is whether they can get their engine back up to the power level it had at the beginning of the 2022 season. It’s pretty clear that in the second part of the season they had to drop the engine output for reliability. If they can get back to full power and be reliable, they could be a real contender. Assuming the other engine builders haven't picked up some power. Frozen is a relative term. True, but getting back at least to where they were is a start. If they can’t even get back there, they’re done. F1 has been very quiet about PU upgrades over the last year, but all the producers have to sign off on any change. I.E., it’s an open secret on what everyone is doing. That said, Renault/Alpine head of PU’s Bruno Famin has been making noise recently and even mentioned that there were up to 70 submitted change requests last year. Going forward, he expects it to get significantly harder to make changes (which could be as easy as Renault vetoing the requests). |
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Quoted: Maybe the cornering speed for the hairpin is so slow that the engine will stall in first (or anti-stall will kick in), Minimum revs on a F1 car are a lot higher than on a road car. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I don't know if this video has been posted or discussed here before, but I'm just seeing it. Basically just Max doing a lap of Monaco on a simulator, but what I found interesting, if you skip to about 0:30s, he drops it into N for the hairpin. Is this typical? Do all drivers do this? I would have thought they'd keep it in 1st. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0g5mgabHXs Maybe the cornering speed for the hairpin is so slow that the engine will stall in first (or anti-stall will kick in), Minimum revs on a F1 car are a lot higher than on a road car. That or neutral unlocks the rear diff. |
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Quoted: Quoted: I don't know if this video has been posted or discussed here before, but I'm just seeing it. Basically just Max doing a lap of Monaco on a simulator, but what I found interesting, if you skip to about 0:30s, he drops it into N for the hairpin. Is this typical? Do all drivers do this? I would have thought they'd keep it in 1st. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0g5mgabHXs And then there is this: https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/formula-1/max-verstappen-simulator-private-jet-29052693 |
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Quoted: I forgot about that. A little rubber already on the track cam improve grip, right? I'm more thinking of the fields of marbles that accumulate. Presumably that gets cleaned up between races, right? View Quote Rubber on track will generally improve grip yes. It’s a bit more involved than that though as different manufacturers/compounds can feel very different on the first few laps. Like a Porsche or Ferrari Challenge support race will have a difference in feel behind the wheel for a few laps. Marbles can cause quite problem but honestly I don’t know how often they police them. I would imagine at the end of the day they run the big sweepers to get them off the track. Everyone wants them there at the end of the race on Sunday though to pick up as much “free” weight as possible before hitting the scales. |
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Quoted: No they don't all run the same direction, but there are things to consider for the track that are important. Barrier placement, not only with the soft barrier but also how track entry points for safety crews etc are configured. Pit lanes can be tricky sometimes with how they would enter or exit the racing line. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: No they don't all run the same direction, but there are things to consider for the track that are important. Barrier placement, not only with the soft barrier but also how track entry points for safety crews etc are configured. Pit lanes can be tricky sometimes with how they would enter or exit the racing line. Crazy y'all are talking about this now because earlier today this incident popped into my head. https://www.courthousenews.com/widow-sues-richard-petty-firm-over-disney-world-track-death/ Besides allowing untrained drivers to take the wheel behind some of the world’s fastest cars, the lawsuit also takes aim at the decision to allow cars to move the wrong way on the track, where the ends of the guardrails were exposed to traffic and not cushioned. This is a HUGE consideration in the ability to run backwards. Many tracks have concrete walls and they're only designed with the track being used in one direction. Going backwards can leave the ends of walls and guard rails exposed. |
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Quoted: Crazy y'all are talking about this now because earlier today this incident popped into my head. https://www.courthousenews.com/widow-sues-richard-petty-firm-over-disney-world-track-death/ This is a HUGE consideration in the ability to run backwards. Many tracks have concrete walls and they're only designed with the track being used in one direction. Going backwards can leave the ends of walls and guard rails exposed. View Quote Really surprised something like RPDE would allow cars to run backward on track. Shows it’s a bunch of suits running things and not the folks that have lost their grandchildren to big hits. Never mind the offset cars they run…probably shouldn’t comment much on that before learning more about the incident you posed though. Edit never mind. Thought this was something new not the 2016 Lambo deal. That was a bad deal all around and part of the risk of being in the passenger seat as an instructor. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I don't know if this video has been posted or discussed here before, but I'm just seeing it. Basically just Max doing a lap of Monaco on a simulator, but what I found interesting, if you skip to about 0:30s, he drops it into N for the hairpin. Is this typical? Do all drivers do this? I would have thought they'd keep it in 1st. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0g5mgabHXs Maybe the cornering speed for the hairpin is so slow that the engine will stall in first (or anti-stall will kick in), Minimum revs on a F1 car are a lot higher than on a road car. That or neutral unlocks the rear diff. surprised that N would be the fastest or most efficient way around it. It was an interesting revelation. |
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Quoted: Rubber on track will generally improve grip yes. It’s a bit more involved than that though as different manufacturers/compounds can feel very different on the first few laps. Like a Porsche or Ferrari Challenge support race will have a difference in feel behind the wheel for a few laps. Marbles can cause quite problem but honestly I don’t know how often they police them. I would imagine at the end of the day they run the big sweepers to get them off the track. Everyone wants them there at the end of the race on Sunday though to pick up as much “free” weight as possible before hitting the scales. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I forgot about that. A little rubber already on the track cam improve grip, right? I'm more thinking of the fields of marbles that accumulate. Presumably that gets cleaned up between races, right? Rubber on track will generally improve grip yes. It’s a bit more involved than that though as different manufacturers/compounds can feel very different on the first few laps. Like a Porsche or Ferrari Challenge support race will have a difference in feel behind the wheel for a few laps. Marbles can cause quite problem but honestly I don’t know how often they police them. I would imagine at the end of the day they run the big sweepers to get them off the track. Everyone wants them there at the end of the race on Sunday though to pick up as much “free” weight as possible before hitting the scales. The sweepers come out after each session if time allows. For example, after a cup race before FP2, or after an F2 race before Quali. |
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