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Posted: 9/11/2024 11:21:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Officer Waingrow had to get it on... they made a move. No clue who that was. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 11:24:04 PM EST
[#2]
Has the thug in the video been charged with multiple felonies and fired? As well as his immediate supervisor, and all the deputies that arrived on scene that evening have all been suspended? That's the crux of the issue. Just a few bad apples |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 11:53:36 PM EST
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Does Deputy Fontana get any love for deliberately blocking the ring camera with his arm so the two children cannot be seen being interviewed by Perp#1?
ETA: It appeared that the newly arrived deputies had no clue why they were there, only to give backup while the offending deputy asked questions inside the house(again!) with nothing to do about a noise complaint. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 11:57:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There was alcohol in the house. Discovered during the illegal search. |
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Posted: 9/12/2024 12:01:06 AM EST
[#5]
I'm just glad the officer made it home safely that day.
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Posted: 9/12/2024 12:34:41 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No clue who that was. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Officer Waingrow had to get it on... they made a move. No clue who that was. Want some pie? 
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Posted: 9/12/2024 7:18:31 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Many home have alcohol, were the kids drinking? Did they give them a breathalyzer test? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There was alcohol in the house. Discovered during the illegal search. And as long as they were here kids in her house, who cares? Heck, it’s legal here. |
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Posted: 9/12/2024 7:52:47 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And as long as they were here kids in her house, who cares? Heck, it’s legal here. When I (55m) was a kid nearly every home had a liquor cabinet. It was almost mandatory to have a few nice bottles of alcohol to serve guests. My dad was a doctor and we entertained company enough times to need to have stuff around for mixed drinks. Our liquor cabinet had maybe 8-10 bottles of different stuff. To point out the presence of alcohol in someone's home is just grasping at straws. I'd hope a judge would shut that down really fast. |
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Posted: 9/12/2024 8:01:33 AM EST
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Thank God there was a civilian video involved.
That officer needs to be in prison for a long time and the taxpayers need to get the fuck sued out of them. |
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Posted: 9/12/2024 8:37:31 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thank God there was a civilian video involved. That officer needs to be in prison for a long time and the taxpayers need to get the fuck sued out of them. Not just that officer but his accomplices. When he went back in a second time there was one cop who put his foot in the doorway and thus was inside his house along with several others who were party to the illegal entry. Police are very good at picking one officer to be a scapegoat and letting the rest slide, that needs to stop. |
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Posted: 9/12/2024 8:40:26 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Many home have alcohol, were the kids drinking? Did they give them a breathalyzer test? Quote HistoryQuoted: Many home have alcohol, were the kids drinking? Did they give them a breathalyzer test? Kids can get alcohol from their parents. Doesn't necessarily mean it's a crime. I suspect the deputy will get a day off or two, city/county might pay some damages, and the idiot will learn the way/how/when to enter a house and not over a noise complaint. I have no clue what any of that is. |
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Posted: 9/12/2024 8:52:44 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Kids can get alcohol from their parents. Doesn't necessarily mean it's a crime. I suspect the deputy will get a day off or two, city/county might pay some damages, and the idiot will learn the way/how/when to enter a house and not over a noise complaint. What makes you believe he will learn something that he should have already known with such minor punishment? |
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Posted: 9/12/2024 8:58:18 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What makes you believe he will learn something that he should have already known with such minor punishment? Getting time off without pay generally causes you to change course. It's just like dealing with people. You can suspend their licenses, etc but when you start costing them money and time they start paying attention. I've had tons of employees screw up. I look at it one of two ways: You can fire him and hire someone new who may make the same mistakes or you can give him a day without, retrain, and have someone who will never make the same mistake again. Nobody was seriously hurt or injured and the employee that acted stupidly didn't do it to the extent he will be criminally charged. |
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Posted: 9/12/2024 9:09:16 AM EST
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Looked like an armed kidnapping to me & home invasion.
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Posted: 9/12/2024 9:24:39 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ... Nobody was seriously hurt or injured and the employee that acted stupidly didn't do it to the extent he will be criminally charged. I guess armed home invasions aren't that big of a deal if you are on the right team. |
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Posted: 9/12/2024 9:35:51 AM EST
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Some new footage from Lackluster, who is a fellow gun person btw...
 EXCLUSIVE New Footage and UPDATES of Warrantless Entry |
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Posted: 9/12/2024 9:40:58 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Some new footage from Lackluster, who is a fellow gun person btw...  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksQPi9fwkEEHe (or his editor if he has one) did a good job syncing the three phone camera videos together. |
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Posted: 9/12/2024 9:55:32 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He (or his editor if he has one) did a good job syncing the three phone camera videos together. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Some new footage from Lackluster, who is a fellow gun person btw... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksQPi9fwkEEHe (or his editor if he has one) did a good job syncing the three phone camera videos together. He always makes it look easy. He was originally an editor for ATA I believe. |
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Posted: 9/12/2024 10:02:34 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Many home have alcohol, were the kids drinking? Did they give them a breathalyzer test? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There was alcohol in the house. Discovered during the illegal search. It doesn't matter as evidence discovered during an illegal search is inadmissible. What a shit-show, though! ETA: It strikes me as slightly ironic that, for a "noise complaint", cops create an uproar in the neighborhood (lights, sirens, screaming argument, et al), that certainly dwarfed any noise causing the original complaint! |
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Posted: 9/12/2024 11:13:54 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nobody was seriously hurt or injured and the employee that acted stupidly didn't do it to the extent he will be criminally charged. The significant harm was the loss of freedom of the homeowner, and the trauma of the children watching the injustice occurring before their very eyes. Deputy Dipshit needs to have a criminal history which would prevent him from continuing in law enforcement and the only teachable moment should be for the other deputies. He's old enough to be doing FTO duty. I wonder how many rookies got defective training because of his attitude towards the use of power. |
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Posted: 9/12/2024 11:21:03 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Some new footage from Lackluster, who is a fellow gun person btw... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksQPi9fwkEEYeah but his goofy new lawyer app THAT him and Long Island Audit came up with just gives me the grifter vibe. Just tell your followers to STFU. No need for a Karen app that you dupe folks into paying a fee for. Just STFU. |
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Posted: 9/12/2024 12:09:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Has the thug in the video been charged with multiple felonies and fired? As well as his immediate supervisor, and all the deputies that arrived on scene that evening have all been suspended? That's the crux of the issue. Just a few bad apples The DA is the problem. He won't be prosecuted. He probably won't even be aware when the local .gov makes the settlement, he will already be onto the next PD. |
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Posted: 9/12/2024 6:51:44 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Getting time off without pay generally causes you to change course. It's just like dealing with people. You can suspend their licenses, etc but when you start costing them money and time they start paying attention. I've had tons of employees screw up. I look at it one of two ways: You can fire him and hire someone new who may make the same mistakes or you can give him a day without, retrain, and have someone who will never make the same mistake again. Nobody was seriously hurt or injured and the employee that acted stupidly didn't do it to the extent he will be criminally charged. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What makes you believe he will learn something that he should have already known with such minor punishment? Getting time off without pay generally causes you to change course. It's just like dealing with people. You can suspend their licenses, etc but when you start costing them money and time they start paying attention. I've had tons of employees screw up. I look at it one of two ways: You can fire him and hire someone new who may make the same mistakes or you can give him a day without, retrain, and have someone who will never make the same mistake again. Nobody was seriously hurt or injured and the employee that acted stupidly didn't do it to the extent he will be criminally charged. It sure seems to have done wonders for this trooper to have internal administrative penalties.  Family on Roadtrip Meets Abusive Trooper (who should already have been fired) |
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Posted: 9/13/2024 12:00:14 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah but his goofy new lawyer app THAT him and Long Island Audit came up with just gives me the grifter vibe. Just tell your followers to STFU. No need for a Karen app that you dupe folks into paying a fee for. Just STFU. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Some new footage from Lackluster, who is a fellow gun person btw... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksQPi9fwkEEYeah but his goofy new lawyer app THAT him and Long Island Audit came up with just gives me the grifter vibe. Just tell your followers to STFU. No need for a Karen app that you dupe folks into paying a fee for. Just STFU. Yeah the sales pitch annoys me. Doesn't seem super useful but I get the intent. My guess is it won't have a long life. |
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Posted: 9/13/2024 4:53:45 AM EST
[#25]
In Oklahoma I think that would be called a home invasion.
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Posted: 9/13/2024 5:20:26 AM EST
[#26]
Wow, that's bad. Take that guys badge, pay the woman, and count yourself lucky this bozo didn't do worse.
Unbelievable. |
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Posted: 9/13/2024 5:32:44 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Getting time off without pay generally causes you to change course. It's just like dealing with people. You can suspend their licenses, etc but when you start costing them money and time they start paying attention. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What makes you believe he will learn something that he should have already known with such minor punishment? Getting time off without pay generally causes you to change course. It's just like dealing with people. You can suspend their licenses, etc but when you start costing them money and time they start paying attention. That wasn't my experience on the PD. Almost every cop I worked with that ended up getting fired had previous incidents where their administrative punishment included the financial loss of paid vacation days and/or unpaid suspension. My one friend lost 30 paid vacation days and was suspended for two weeks for an incident and later got fired for doing the exact same thing again in his new precinct. |
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Posted: 9/13/2024 5:49:26 AM EST
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Quoted: Quoted: Getting time off without pay generally causes you to change course. It's just like dealing with people. You can suspend their licenses, etc but when you start costing them money and time they start paying attention. My one friend lost 30 paid vacation days and was suspended for two weeks for an incident and later got fired for doing the exact same thing again in his new precinct. Then of course, you have your serious fuck-ups, the ones who are just so stupid they never conceive of getting caught, and are literally incapable of learning from their mistakes. |
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Posted: 9/13/2024 6:41:20 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That wasn't my experience on the PD. Almost every cop I worked with that ended up getting fired had previous incidents where their administrative punishment included the financial loss of paid vacation days and/or unpaid suspension. My one friend lost 30 paid vacation days and was suspended for two weeks for an incident and later got fired for doing the exact same thing again in his new precinct. I got thirty unpaid days for discussing that our CLEO was stopping at bars on his way home in his county car, and his sexual harassment of subordinate female employees that had gone public when one of them took him to court. His drinking was already a matter of public knowledge and the state guys were actively targeting him but they could never catch him behind the wheel after his boozy nights. He even switched bars once he realized that he was being noticed. Ultimately the union made an exception to past practice and endorsed his opponent in the next election and our members went out knocking on doors in support of his opponent. The incumbent was voted out, but since he was embedded with the county politicians who overlooked his faults because he was one of them, the replacement was given hell by county politicians for the entirety of his two terms because he wasn't a party man. The guy who got voted out is still knee deep in the local political scenery nearly twenty years later. |
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Posted: 9/13/2024 8:14:35 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Many home have alcohol, were the kids drinking? Did they give them a breathalyzer test? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There was alcohol in the house. Discovered during the illegal search. Is there a state that doesn't allow a parent to give their kid alcohol? |
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Posted: 9/14/2024 2:48:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I got thirty unpaid days for discussing that our CLEO was stopping at bars on his way home in his county car, and his sexual harassment of subordinate female employees that had gone public when one of them took him to court. A month unpaid, or six weeks? Either way, I'd either sue for that or file a complaint with the department of labor. Back to the thread. 0200, 7-4-24...I assume the 'noise complaint' was for 'fireworks exhibited after 2200'. But, it's clear that nobody's setting off fireworks inside that house, and from what I see, nobody is setting them off within earshot outdoors either. Steve Lehto has entered the chat.  I ‘Own Your House Now’ Says Cop Who Entered House Without a Warrant |
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Posted: 9/14/2024 3:23:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That wasn't my experience on the PD. Almost every cop I worked with that ended up getting fired had previous incidents where their administrative punishment included the financial loss of paid vacation days and/or unpaid suspension. My one friend lost 30 paid vacation days and was suspended for two weeks for an incident and later got fired for doing the exact same thing again in his new precinct. He doesn’t know what he’s talking about, he’s just compelled to spew shit like that, for some reason.  I’m acutely familiar with County level discipline and employees with a single disciplinary action taken against them are significantly outnumbered by employees who have committed multiple infractions. With, obviously, the overwhelming majority of employees having no instances of disciplinary action taken against them. |
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Posted: 9/14/2024 4:16:42 PM EST
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The FBI described the federal employee who assaulted my friend in her office as “resistant to discipline.”
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Posted: 9/14/2024 4:36:29 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nobody was seriously hurt or injured and the employee that acted stupidly didn't do it to the extent he will be criminally charged. Armed home invasion and kidnapping isn't worth criminal charges? |
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Posted: 9/14/2024 7:16:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That wasn't my experience on the PD. Almost every cop I worked with that ended up getting fired had previous incidents where their administrative punishment included the financial loss of paid vacation days and/or unpaid suspension. My one friend lost 30 paid vacation days and was suspended for two weeks for an incident and later got fired for doing the exact same thing again in his new precinct. It's general. There are always outliers. Shocker in that cops, who are made up of the same general populace as you and I, occasionally do stupid stuff. |
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Posted: 9/14/2024 11:33:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's general. There are always outliers. Shocker in that cops, who are made up of the same general populace as you and I, occasionally do stupid stuff. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That wasn't my experience on the PD. Almost every cop I worked with that ended up getting fired had previous incidents where their administrative punishment included the financial loss of paid vacation days and/or unpaid suspension. My one friend lost 30 paid vacation days and was suspended for two weeks for an incident and later got fired for doing the exact same thing again in his new precinct. It's general. There are always outliers. Shocker in that cops, who are made up of the same general populace as you and I, occasionally do stupid stuff. …but don’t get the same stupid prizes as the public they serve. 
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