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Out of curiosity, how many failed 4th quarter comebacks has he had since 2016? How does the total of failed and successful 4th quarter comebacks compare to the rest of the league? Having the most 4th quarter comebacks is a nice stat and all, but objectively you'd rather not have any because you were never losing. Maybe our impression of Dak is one of inconsistency because the team has put him into unforgiving situations far too many times? I really don't know, but I do know that that stat alone means nothing. Andy Reid is 2nd for playoff victories out of all active coaches. Stat sounds pretty great right? He's also 1st for playoff losses out of all active coaches. Ouch, not so good stat. Statistically, Doug Marrone is more likely to win a playoff game than Andy Reid. Sorry Chiefs, tough luck. FWIW, Bill Belichick is 2nd for playoff losses, and Doug Pederson is more likely to win a playoff game (hey that one came true ) View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Since 2016 Dak is tied for the most game winning drives in the 4th quarter or OT. Andy Reid is 2nd for playoff victories out of all active coaches. Stat sounds pretty great right? He's also 1st for playoff losses out of all active coaches. Ouch, not so good stat. Statistically, Doug Marrone is more likely to win a playoff game than Andy Reid. Sorry Chiefs, tough luck. FWIW, Bill Belichick is 2nd for playoff losses, and Doug Pederson is more likely to win a playoff game (hey that one came true ) |
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I respectfully disagree. I don’t think that stat “means nothing.” Even going by just the eye test Dak tends to play better late in games when it’s close. Sometimes even when he hasn’t played well the first 3 quarters. That stat simply supports that. And yeah, it would be nice to not have to have any GW drives because your team is always blowing people out. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Since 2016 Dak is tied for the most game winning drives in the 4th quarter or OT. Andy Reid is 2nd for playoff victories out of all active coaches. Stat sounds pretty great right? He's also 1st for playoff losses out of all active coaches. Ouch, not so good stat. Statistically, Doug Marrone is more likely to win a playoff game than Andy Reid. Sorry Chiefs, tough luck. FWIW, Bill Belichick is 2nd for playoff losses, and Doug Pederson is more likely to win a playoff game (hey that one came true ) |
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Last week you said stats dont matter talking about the Seattle- Saints game and only W's matter. Which is it? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Since 2016 Dak is tied for the most game winning drives in the 4th quarter or OT. Andy Reid is 2nd for playoff victories out of all active coaches. Stat sounds pretty great right? He's also 1st for playoff losses out of all active coaches. Ouch, not so good stat. Statistically, Doug Marrone is more likely to win a playoff game than Andy Reid. Sorry Chiefs, tough luck. FWIW, Bill Belichick is 2nd for playoff losses, and Doug Pederson is more likely to win a playoff game (hey that one came true ) |
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I respectfully disagree. I don’t think that stat “means nothing.” Even going by just the eye test Dak tends to play better late in games when it’s close. Sometimes even when he hasn’t played well the first 3 quarters. That stat simply supports that. And yeah, it would be nice to not have to have any GW drives because your team is always blowing people out. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
I respectfully disagree. I don’t think that stat “means nothing.” Even going by just the eye test Dak tends to play better late in games when it’s close. Sometimes even when he hasn’t played well the first 3 quarters. That stat simply supports that. And yeah, it would be nice to not have to have any GW drives because your team is always blowing people out. I don't remember what week Dak took over for Romo, so let's just say he was the starter that whole 2016 season. That means he would have played in 48 regular season games prior to the start of this year. The Cowboys record is 32-16 during that time span. If the info I just looked up is correct, Dak is credited with 8 4th quarter comebacks. So that means 25% of their victories were won with 4th quarter comebacks. Now, since you didn't answer any of the questions I asked () lets just say that of the games they lost, 50% were failed 4th quarter comebacks. That would put Dak at 8-8 or .500 for 4th quarter comebacks. Now if you compare Dak to Wentz, simply because they entered the league at the same time, he is credited with only 4 4th quarter comebacks. If Wentz is 4-0 in 4th quarter comebacks though, I'd much rather trust him, statistically, to win the game. The volume of wins generated by fourth quarter comebacks doesn't matter if the ratio to losses is poor, which is why I said this stat is meaningless alone. If you push this concept to the limit, Dak could be 8-16 in 4th quarter comebacks and be in dead last for his winning percentage, but he still "has the most." He could also be at 8-0 and not only have the most, but have the best winning percentage. I really don't know as that stat doesn't seem to be just floating out there. I like Dak and overall think he is a pretty decent QB, although he is young and obviously has shown that there are areas of his game that can be improved, so I'm not trying to knock the guy at all. All I'm saying is that when you present the stat the way you did you might as well be asking the math question "If a train goes 42mph, solve for X." Something interesting did come up when I googled Dak's 4th quarter comeback stat though. This article dived a little deeper into the stats, and despite the bias IMO it shows something interesting. Dak fans argue that Dak is absolutely CLUTCH. The Clutchiest of Clutch! They say that his 8 comebacks and 14 game winning drives lead the league since 2016. And since football is all about WINNING (something Dallas fans born after 1985 know nothing about), that's the only argument that they need! You can keep all your worthless stats...I'll take the Winner!
But uhhhh...Hol' on There, Parrrtnerrrrr...Is Dak REALLY as clutch as he seems? Blogging The Boys user (and Bleeding Green Nation lurker) JustB gave me the parameters at which he defined the Clutch-gene. He defines a clutch situation as Tied or Trailing by no more than 8 points in the 4th quarter or Overtime. And, though it's hard to argue clutch with, say, 10 minutes to go, I'll take those (*cough* cherry-picked *cough*) parameters and dive right in! **Plays gathered using Pro Football Reference's Team Splits. Aggregations done by Qwest336** By inflating the number to "Tied or Down by 8 or fewer points", you give the appearance that he's been in a lot of extremely difficult late season game situations. The Cowboys have run 323 plays tied or down by less than 8 in the last three years. The average point differential in those 323 plays? Only -2.49 points! That can't be right, can it? Let's break down those game situations a little deeper... When a field goal will win the game (177 plays, 54.8% Tied or down by 2 or less) (Not much pressure, really) 73-101 for 1027 yards, 11 TDs, 0 INTs for a WHOPPING 140.99 QB Rating. (He also ran 13 times for 51 yards (including an 11 yard TD on 3rd and 2 from the 11 with 1:18 remaining) and took only 3 sacks) This situation accounted for 11 4th Quarter Game Winning Drives (78.6%) !!!! Let's dial up the "pressure" just a little bit more. When a field goal will tie the game (47 plays, 14.6% Down by 3 Points) 17-31 for 200 yards, 0 TDs, 0 INTs for a 74.66 QB Rating. (He also ran 2 times for 9 yards (including a 4 yard TD on 1st and goal from the 4 with 2:23 remaining (#SuperClutchy)) and took 1 sack) This situation accounted for 1 4th Quarter Game Winning Drive (7.1%) Now the pressure is really on! This is what you pay your QB for! He needs a TD to take the lead (99 plays, 30.7% Down by between 4 and 8 points) 33-58 for 432 yards, 1 TD, and 2 Ints for a 71.9 QB Rating. (He also ran the ball 4 times for 28 yards and a 1 yard TD(3rd and Goal from the 1 with 1:41 remaining)) Oh...and he's been sacked 8 times, fumbling TWICE, one for a TD (Mr. Derek Barnett) The TD pass? 1st and Goal from the 8 with 10:28 remaining. (#SuperClutchy) This situation accounted for 2 4th Quarter Game Winning Drives (14.3%) For the bonus round, in that same span, Zeke carried the ball 16 times for 114 yards and 2TDs (14 yards, and 32 yards) and caught 3 passes for another 22 yards. Let's recap: 85.7% of his 4th Quarter Comeback Drives were from down 3 points or fewer? And, of the 2 4th Quarter Game Winning Drives that were more than 4 points, one of them was with 10:28 seconds remaining in the 4th quarter and the other was a QB Sneak on 3rd and Goal from the ONE YARD LINE??? Now THAT is Michael Jordan levels of Clutch, my friends! |
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If they traded Wentz for a couple of firsts there might be a decent chance of that. As is, I don’t think any team is “dominating that division for the foreseeable future.” There hasn’t been a back-to-back division winner in over a decade. View Quote |
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That is the nice way to say it. There is 9 years of evidence. 80-59. .576 He’s garbage View Quote |
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I respectfully disagree. I don’t think that stat “means nothing.” Even going by just the eye test Dak tends to play better late in games when it’s close. Sometimes even when he hasn’t played well the first 3 quarters. That stat simply supports that. And yeah, it would be nice to not have to have any GW drives because your team is always blowing people out. View Quote I also curious as the time of possession in the games he looks good in the 4th quarter. If you’re playing against a gassed defense the game is easier. |
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Are we on the Gruden watch today? DEFCON level 2 or 1? View Quote
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I never put the Jean short/Cowboys jersey combo together until seeing this. Now that I think about it that does appear to be a fan uniform.
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I never put the Jean short/Cowboys jersey combo together until seeing this. Now that I think about it that does appear to be a fan uniform.
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Quoted: How about OBJ getting choked out buy a Raven right in front of a referee today? The officiating in the last five years has steadily declined to the level of suckage View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: How about OBJ getting choked out buy a Raven right in front of a referee today? The officiating in the last five years has steadily declined to the level of suckage "It's hot out there. We're just competing," Beckham said. "I'm just upset that I lost my earring." |
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OBJ being OBJ...asked about the choke hold... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: How about OBJ getting choked out buy a Raven right in front of a referee today? The officiating in the last five years has steadily declined to the level of suckage "It's hot out there. We're just competing," Beckham said. "I'm just upset that I lost my earring." |
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Whenever I watch Cowboys games they talk more about Kris Richard and Kellen Moore. When they show Garrett he's either clapping or has that look on his face like he's battling a turtle head. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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That is the nice way to say it. There is 9 years of evidence. 80-59. .576 He's garbage I've been pleasantly surprised by Kellen Moore this year, but I don't know why we regressed back to shitty play calling last night. We have the talent to win games. |
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He has certainly built a nice resume for himself. I wouldn't mind seeing him perma banned. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Edit: It is the longest suspension for an on-field act in NFL history. Albert Haynesworth was suspended five games for kicking, then stomping on Cowboys' C Andre Gurode's face. Gurode needed 30 stitches. |
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Edit: It is the longest suspension for an on-field act in NFL history. Albert Haynesworth was suspended five games for kicking, then stomping on Cowboys' C Andre Gurode's face. Gurode needed 30 stitches. View Quote He should have been banned years ago, but this is a good start. |
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If a player is suspended for the whole year or being an idiot does the team still have to honor the contract?
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Kirk Cousins: 3 years, $84M
Stefon Diggs: 5 years, $81M Adam Thielen: 4 years, $64M 31st in passing yards per game 32nd in passing first downs per game Kirk is 5-27 career against teams with a winning record. Today is the 5th anniversary of Trent Dilfer declaring the Patriots "not good anymore" after losing 41-14 to the Chiefs on MNF. Since then the Patriots are 76-18 with 5 AFCCG appearances, 4 SB appearances, and 3 SB championships. Khalil Mack on not wanting to over celebrate Sunday's win over a divisional rival, "A dog that poop fast don't poop for long man." Khalil Mack has 10 forced fumbles in 18 games with the Bears. The Chicago Bears are now 5-1 when scoring fewer than 20 points since 2018. The rest of the NFL is 28-186 in such games in that span. Browns now in a tie for first place in AFC North for first time since Week 10 of 2014, when they led by half a game. Sunday also marked first time in franchise history they had a 300-yard passer (Baker Mayfield), 150-yard rusher (Nick Chubb) and 150-yard receiver (Jarvis Landry). The NFC South is special this season: Saints won without a touchdown. Panthers won with their backup QB losing 3 fumbles. Buccaneers scored 55 against the defending NFC Champs. Matt Ryan went 35 of 53 for 397 yards but didn't throw a TD. The Dolphins are not in last place in the AFC. They have the strength of schedule tie breaker over the Broncos. The Broncos have lost 8 straight games. The Broncos have NEVER started 0-5 before. They are 6.5 point dogs at the Chargers next week. The Dolphins have not won a game since the Miami Miracle. Hope they enjoyed it. The Falcons have trailed by double digit points for 63.8% of their offensive snaps. This is the highest rate in the league, even higher than the Dolphins (62.8%). The player with the most guaranteed money in NFL history (Jared Goff) has 9 turnovers to 7 TDs through 25% of the season. Rich Gannon, reportedly quoting a former coach of his, on the Lions goal line fumble, "... it's better to die as a baby than fumble on the goal line." Pat Mahomes finished the game 0-9 on deep pass attempts. It marked his first NFL game without a deep completion. Tom Brady, to The Greg Hill Show on the Josh Allen hit, "I had a play like that up in Buffalo ... I remember the next day Coach Belichick said to me - I'll never forget this - 'Hey Brady, if you want to have a career in this league, when you're running like that, you throw the ball away or slide.'" With last night's -3 yards rushing, Tom Brady is back at exactly 1000 yards for his career. Even though they won, Tom Brady's passer rating of just 45.9 is his lowest since November 11th 2006. After the game, "I am frustrated when we don't play well. I am frustrated when we don't score points. I am happy when we win. It's a lot of mixed emotions." The Patriots defense is averaging 3.25 points per game. 13 points surrendered on defense in 4 games. 10 INTs and 18 sacks. Jay Gruden accepted a penalty on 3rd and 7 after an incompletion, making it 3rd and 17 instead of 4th and 7. The Giants went on to score a TD on that drive. Jaguars QB Gardner Minshew has the highest passer rating (106.9) and completion percentage (69.4%) of any rookie in the Super Bowl era (1966-present) through their first 4 games. The Jaguars are 2-0 since Ramsey made his trade request to go to a contender. Tonight will be the first ever MNF game between to 0-3 teams. The Eagles cutting LJ Fort has triggered a cascade of events where the Steelers will lose their 3rd round comp pick for Le'Veon Bell unless they cut Donte Moncrief who just signed a $9M contract in March. |
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Kirk Cousins: 3 years, $84M Stefon Diggs: 5 years, $81M Adam Thielen: 4 years, $64M 31st in passing yards per game 32nd in passing first downs per game Kirk is 5-27 career against teams with a winning record. Today is the 5th anniversary of Trent Dilfer declaring the Patriots "not good anymore" after losing 41-14 to the Chiefs on MNF. Since then the Patriots are 76-18 with 5 AFCCG appearances, 4 SB appearances, and 3 SB championships. Khalil Mack on not wanting to over celebrate Sunday's win over a divisional rival, "A dog that poop fast don't poop for long man." Khalil Mack has 10 forced fumbles in 18 games with the Bears. The Chicago Bears are now 5-1 when scoring fewer than 20 points since 2018. The rest of the NFL is 28-186 in such games in that span. Browns now in a tie for first place in AFC North for first time since Week 10 of 2014, when they led by half a game. Sunday also marked first time in franchise history they had a 300-yard passer (Baker Mayfield), 150-yard rusher (Nick Chubb) and 150-yard receiver (Jarvis Landry). The NFC South is special this season: Saints won without a touchdown. Panthers won with their backup QB losing 3 fumbles. Buccaneers scored 55 against the defending NFC Champs. Matt Ryan went 35 of 53 for 397 yards but didn't throw a TD. The Dolphins are not in last place in the AFC. They have the strength of schedule tie breaker over the Broncos. The Broncos have lost 8 straight games. The Broncos have NEVER started 0-5 before. They are 6.5 point dogs at the Chargers next week. The Dolphins have not won a game since the Miami Miracle. Hope they enjoyed it. The Falcons have trailed by double digit points for 63.8% of their offensive snaps. This is the highest rate in the league, even higher than the Dolphins (62.8%). The player with the most guaranteed money in NFL history (Jared Goff) has 9 turnovers to 7 TDs through 25% of the season. Rich Gannon, reportedly quoting a former coach of his, on the Lions goal line fumble, "... it's better to die as a baby than fumble on the goal line." Pat Mahomes finished the game 0-9 on deep pass attempts. It marked his first NFL game without a deep completion. Tom Brady, to The Greg Hill Show on the Josh Allen hit, "I had a play like that up in Buffalo ... I remember the next day Coach Belichick said to me - I'll never forget this - 'Hey Brady, if you want to have a career in this league, when you're running like that, you throw the ball away or slide.'" With last night's -3 yards rushing, Tom Brady is back at exactly 1000 yards for his career. Even though they won, Tom Brady's passer rating of just 45.9 is his lowest since November 11th 2006. After the game, "I am frustrated when we don't play well. I am frustrated when we don't score points. I am happy when we win. It's a lot of mixed emotions." The Patriots defense is averaging 3.25 points per game. 13 points surrendered on defense in 4 games. 10 INTs and 18 sacks. Jay Gruden accepted a penalty on 3rd and 7 after an incompletion, making it 3rd and 17 instead of 4th and 7. The Giants went on to score a TD on that drive. Jaguars QB Gardner Minshew has the highest passer rating (106.9) and completion percentage (69.4%) of any rookie in the Super Bowl era (1966-present) through their first 4 games. The Jaguars are 2-0 since Ramsey made his trade request to go to a contender. Tonight will be the first ever MNF game between to 0-3 teams. The Eagles cutting LJ Fort has triggered a cascade of events where the Steelers will lose their 3rd round comp pick for Le'Veon Bell unless they cut Donte Moncrief who just signed a $9M contract in March. View Quote His hands have turned to stone. I know about his finger. I think my Steelers are going 0-4 after tonight. |
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Browns now in a tie for first place in AFC North for first time since Week 10 of 2014, when they led by half a game. Sunday also marked first time in franchise history they had a 300-yard passer (Baker Mayfield), 150-yard rusher (Nick Chubb) and 150-yard receiver (Jarvis Landry). View Quote |
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Kirk Cousins: 3 years, $84M Stefon Diggs: 5 years, $81M Adam Thielen: 4 years, $64M 31st in passing yards per game 32nd in passing first downs per game Kirk is 5-27 career against teams with a winning record. Today is the 5th anniversary of Trent Dilfer declaring the Patriots "not good anymore" after losing 41-14 to the Chiefs on MNF. Since then the Patriots are 76-18 with 5 AFCCG appearances, 4 SB appearances, and 3 SB championships. Khalil Mack on not wanting to over celebrate Sunday's win over a divisional rival, "A dog that poop fast don't poop for long man." Khalil Mack has 10 forced fumbles in 18 games with the Bears. The Chicago Bears are now 5-1 when scoring fewer than 20 points since 2018. The rest of the NFL is 28-186 in such games in that span. Browns now in a tie for first place in AFC North for first time since Week 10 of 2014, when they led by half a game. Sunday also marked first time in franchise history they had a 300-yard passer (Baker Mayfield), 150-yard rusher (Nick Chubb) and 150-yard receiver (Jarvis Landry). The NFC South is special this season: Saints won without a touchdown. Panthers won with their backup QB losing 3 fumbles. Buccaneers scored 55 against the defending NFC Champs. Matt Ryan went 35 of 53 for 397 yards but didn't throw a TD. The Dolphins are not in last place in the AFC. They have the strength of schedule tie breaker over the Broncos. The Broncos have lost 8 straight games. The Broncos have NEVER started 0-5 before. They are 6.5 point dogs at the Chargers next week. The Dolphins have not won a game since the Miami Miracle. Hope they enjoyed it. The Falcons have trailed by double digit points for 63.8% of their offensive snaps. This is the highest rate in the league, even higher than the Dolphins (62.8%). The player with the most guaranteed money in NFL history (Jared Goff) has 9 turnovers to 7 TDs through 25% of the season. Rich Gannon, reportedly quoting a former coach of his, on the Lions goal line fumble, "... it's better to die as a baby than fumble on the goal line." Pat Mahomes finished the game 0-9 on deep pass attempts. It marked his first NFL game without a deep completion. Tom Brady, to The Greg Hill Show on the Josh Allen hit, "I had a play like that up in Buffalo ... I remember the next day Coach Belichick said to me - I'll never forget this - 'Hey Brady, if you want to have a career in this league, when you're running like that, you throw the ball away or slide.'" With last night's -3 yards rushing, Tom Brady is back at exactly 1000 yards for his career. Even though they won, Tom Brady's passer rating of just 45.9 is his lowest since November 11th 2006. After the game, "I am frustrated when we don't play well. I am frustrated when we don't score points. I am happy when we win. It's a lot of mixed emotions." The Patriots defense is averaging 3.25 points per game. 13 points surrendered on defense in 4 games. 10 INTs and 18 sacks. Jay Gruden accepted a penalty on 3rd and 7 after an incompletion, making it 3rd and 17 instead of 4th and 7. The Giants went on to score a TD on that drive. Jaguars QB Gardner Minshew has the highest passer rating (106.9) and completion percentage (69.4%) of any rookie in the Super Bowl era (1966-present) through their first 4 games. The Jaguars are 2-0 since Ramsey made his trade request to go to a contender. Tonight will be the first ever MNF game between to 0-3 teams. The Eagles cutting LJ Fort has triggered a cascade of events where the Steelers will lose their 3rd round comp pick for Le'Veon Bell unless they cut Donte Moncrief who just signed a $9M contract in March. View Quote -John Heisman |
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Not to pick nits, but, the Browns are in sole possession of 1st place in the div. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Browns now in a tie for first place in AFC North for first time since Week 10 of 2014, when they led by half a game. Sunday also marked first time in franchise history they had a 300-yard passer (Baker Mayfield), 150-yard rusher (Nick Chubb) and 150-yard receiver (Jarvis Landry). |
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