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Was an undrafted free agent for the Ravens, was released in Aug 2020. Now signed by the Falcons. Played at Wake Forest in college. In his final year at Wake he averaged 46.8 yards per punt (2nd highest in school history) and was named second team all-ACC. |
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Schefter reporting bucs may try and trade for OBJ b/c brady wants him.
i'm not sure how that trade would look but it seems trying to add OBJ would be a loss vs re-signing current guys and/or getting other good players on cheaper contracts. but if godwin is gone and they get outbid on AB... |
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Quoted: Schefter reporting bucs may try and trade for OBJ b/c brady wants him. i'm not sure how that trade would look but it seems trying to add OBJ would be a loss vs re-signing current guys and/or getting other good players on cheaper contracts. but if godwin is gone and they get outbid on AB... View Quote Saw that and skipped right over it. Reeked of click bait. Something like OBJ once mentioned he would like playing with Tom, so we specifically asked Tom about OBJ and he said it would be great to play with him, so they spun that into Tom wanting OBJ instead of accepting it as a casual comment from a great player about another great player. There is no feasible way for the Bucs to make a move on OBJ that makes any sense at all. They are in a tight cap situation, have a lot of players to retain, and retaining Godwin would be cheaper and he is a more efficient player. Not to mention already having Evans and potentially Brown returning. I might as well ask Bill Belichick what he thinks about Aaron Rodgers, and if he says he is a great player I'm going to post a headline that says, "Patriots want to move on Aaron Rodgers". Edit: I also see the NFL Update tweet that made the comment about it has already been deleted. |
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2021 was scheduled for a $4.7M cap hit with $2.2M in dead money. Would free up $2.5M. He played about 50% of the defensive snaps last year, recorded 57 tackles, 2 TFL, 1 QB hit, 1 pass defense. 0 sacks, INTs, FFs, fumble recovs. |
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Quoted: Sad... John Clayton: "Ryan Fitzpatrick looks like he's going to retire. The Broncos did make some contact with him. He's been with eight teams and played a long time. But it looks like he's going to be out of the mix." View Quote I picture him signing with someone when their starter goes down. |
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Quoted: Schefter reporting bucs may try and trade for OBJ b/c brady wants him. i'm not sure how that trade would look but it seems trying to add OBJ would be a loss vs re-signing current guys and/or getting other good players on cheaper contracts. but if godwin is gone and they get outbid on AB... View Quote My concern wouldn't be so much the fact that Beckham hasn't had a great season in about half a decade. It would be that Beckham is the type of player that would rather have 120 yards and 2 TDs in a loss than 40 yards and no TDs in a win. |
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Quoted: My concern wouldn't so much the fact that Beckham hasn't had a great season in about half a decade. It would be that Beckham is the type of player that would rather have 120 yards and 2 TDs in a loss than 40 yards and no TDs in a win. View Quote Attached File |
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In today's, "everything is a sign of the end," category...
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Was set to be $11.2M, $2.5M dead cap. |
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Recent cap savings (bigger names):
Alex Smith: $14.7M Carlos Dunlap: $14M Gabe Jackson: $9.6M LaMarcus Joyner: $8.7M Henry Anderson: $8M Nick Martin: $6.25M Desmond Trufant: $6.1M Golden Tate: $6.1M Richie Incognito: $5.4M Kyle Rudolph: $5.1M Duke Johnson: $5M Adam Humphries: $4.4M |
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Was set to be $11.2M, $2.5M dead cap. View Quote
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View Quote To be fair, its not like anyone expected them to have such little impact. |
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Quoted: Schefter reporting bucs may try and trade for OBJ b/c brady wants him. i'm not sure how that trade would look but it seems trying to add OBJ would be a loss vs re-signing current guys and/or getting other good players on cheaper contracts. but if godwin is gone and they get outbid on AB... View Quote Godwin is the better player at this point. OBJ's best days are in the rear view mirror and Godwin's best days are yet to come. |
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View Quote That's great news. He's fun to watch and seems like a decent fellow. I'd venture to say he's better than some starting QBs right now, too. |
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I am assuming since we passed 5pm on the east coast, and haven't seen a salary cap post, that the league has decided to push back the franchise tag date from tomorrow until after the salary cap is officially announced.
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The problem with this idea is that it is still the exact same issue they are having now with the franchise tag. Say you do a 3 year deal, and Dak plays great, and doesn't get hurt, either you once again have to tag him at a hugeeee salary, or once again start the whole process of making him the highest paid QB in the NFL. It's time to shit or get off the pot. Either pay and lock him down for 5-6 years, or deal him. |
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OH SHIT OH SHIT OH SHIT!
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So basically his first 3 years are fully guaranteed. Then a 4th year at slightly reduced value, non-guaranteed. Makes him the 2nd highest paid QB in the game, and on the first 3 year evaluation, would be 3M below Mahomes avg and 3M above Watsons. AND ALL GUARANTEED. Good for Dak. |
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So basically his first 3 years are fully guaranteed. Then a 4th year at slightly reduced value, non-guaranteed. Makes him the 2nd highest paid QB in the game, and on the first 3 year evaluation, would be 3M below Mahomes avg and 3M above Watsons. AND ALL GUARANTEED. Good for Dak. View Quote |
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So basically his first 3 years are fully guaranteed. Then a 4th year at slightly reduced value, non-guaranteed. Makes him the 2nd highest paid QB in the game, and on the first 3 year evaluation, would be 3M below Mahomes avg and 3M above Watsons. AND ALL GUARANTEED. Good for Dak. View Quote |
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So basically his first 3 years are fully guaranteed. Then a 4th year at slightly reduced value, non-guaranteed. Makes him the 2nd highest paid QB in the game, and on the first 3 year evaluation, would be 3M below Mahomes avg and 3M above Watsons. AND ALL GUARANTEED. Good for Dak. View Quote Wow, do they have to chop salaries now ? Is there cap fucked ? |
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Reportedly a 66m signing bonus, 75m total in the first year (9m salary). Would make his 21 cap about 25-26m.
So they save a nice chunk of cap over tagging him. Dak had all the power. Got everything he wanted. Edit: They are now reporting a 22.2m cap hit in year one, so that would mean they included a 5th year voided year. |
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So basically his first 3 years are fully guaranteed. Then a 4th year at slightly reduced value, non-guaranteed. Makes him the 2nd highest paid QB in the game, and on the first 3 year evaluation, would be 3M below Mahomes avg and 3M above Watsons. AND ALL GUARANTEED. Good for Dak. https://media.tenor.com/images/14cb0084c1b4e664beb93803e78fd68a/tenor.gif Lol. Fools. |
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Highest signing bonuses in NFL history:
Dak Prescott $66M Russell Wilson $65M Aaron Rodgers $57.5M Matthew Stafford $50M Matt Ryan $46.5M Joe Flacco $40M Aaron Donald $40M |
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Quoted: Valid point here. Mahomes is really expensive now but becomes cheaper over the life of the contract. Dak will be 31 at the end of this 4 year deal, in his PRIME QB years, ready to sign another huge contract (if he can play well until then). That contract could end up netting him much more than Mahomes overal depending on what the cap does in the next couple years. https://i.imgur.com/rA2HKwE.png View Quote That was the whole point of Mahomes' contract. He gets financial security for life, and the Chiefs get to build a team around him. And I might add, it took about one day to go from "We hear there are talks of a Mahomes extension" to "Here are the details of his 10 year, half billion dollar deal." We've been talking about Dak's contract for what, 3 years? |
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1st round pick last year. Traded for SWAPPED 7th round picks this year. Wasn't even worth a full 7th round pick on its own. |
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There is some wow factor to that contract, but to me it’s standard for a starting QB of a NFL franchise. We can laugh all we want, but there hasn’t been a QB who’s won a SB after signing a big deal with the exception of Brady, and he takes below market deals.
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Quoted: There is some wow factor to that contract, but to me it's standard for a starting QB of a NFL franchise. We can laugh all we want, but there hasn't been a QB who's won a SB after signing a big deal with the exception of Brady, and he takes below market deals. View Quote Since they worked it to keep a low cap this year, if it's a 5 year contract (1 void year) it means years 2 thru 4 would carry cap hits somewhere around $40M a year. Edit: THEN, if they resign him, the void year becomes due on the 1st year of the extension, so that could be an extra $13-ish million added to the 1st year of any new deal with the Cowboys, otherwise it is a dead cap hit if he moves on elsewhere. Steelers did the same thing with Ben, twice, and then got fucked because of the down cap this year. Hence the Steelers cap issues. Even with Ben's new deal they are taking double digit millions in dead cap next year on the new void. |
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Quoted: Since they worked it to keep a low cap this year, if it's a 5 year contract (1 void year) it means years 2 thru 4 would carry cap hits somewhere around $40M a year. Edit: THEN, if they resign him, the void year becomes due on the 1st year of the extension, so that could be an extra $13-ish million added to the 1st year of any new deal with the Cowboys, otherwise it is a dead cap hit if he moves on elsewhere. Steelers did the same thing with Ben, twice, and then got fucked because of the down cap this year. Hence the Steelers cap issues. Even with Ben's new deal they are taking double digit millions in dead cap next year on the new void. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: There is some wow factor to that contract, but to me it's standard for a starting QB of a NFL franchise. We can laugh all we want, but there hasn't been a QB who's won a SB after signing a big deal with the exception of Brady, and he takes below market deals. Since they worked it to keep a low cap this year, if it's a 5 year contract (1 void year) it means years 2 thru 4 would carry cap hits somewhere around $40M a year. Edit: THEN, if they resign him, the void year becomes due on the 1st year of the extension, so that could be an extra $13-ish million added to the 1st year of any new deal with the Cowboys, otherwise it is a dead cap hit if he moves on elsewhere. Steelers did the same thing with Ben, twice, and then got fucked because of the down cap this year. Hence the Steelers cap issues. Even with Ben's new deal they are taking double digit millions in dead cap next year on the new void. so is that the biggest cap hit for a QB in recent time? |
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Quoted: so is that the biggest cap hit for a QB in recent time? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: There is some wow factor to that contract, but to me it's standard for a starting QB of a NFL franchise. We can laugh all we want, but there hasn't been a QB who's won a SB after signing a big deal with the exception of Brady, and he takes below market deals. Since they worked it to keep a low cap this year, if it's a 5 year contract (1 void year) it means years 2 thru 4 would carry cap hits somewhere around $40M a year. Edit: THEN, if they resign him, the void year becomes due on the 1st year of the extension, so that could be an extra $13-ish million added to the 1st year of any new deal with the Cowboys, otherwise it is a dead cap hit if he moves on elsewhere. Steelers did the same thing with Ben, twice, and then got fucked because of the down cap this year. Hence the Steelers cap issues. Even with Ben's new deal they are taking double digit millions in dead cap next year on the new void. so is that the biggest cap hit for a QB in recent time? 2019: Stafford $30.7 2018: Jimmy G $37 2017: Flacco $24.5 On Mahomes' deal, they will break a $40m cap in 2023. So Cowboys would beat them to $40m by 1 year. Ben was scheduled to be over $40m in 21 before the restructure last week. Edit: Something to remember with Mahomes is his guarantees are gone in 2022. His last 9 years he has basically 0 dead cap. Tons of room to restructure, or if something bad happens, straight up dump him. |
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just b/c i was curious..
watson: 4 years $156/$110 guaranteed wentz: 4 years $128/$107 guaranteed goff: 4 years $134/$110 guaranteed rodgers: 4 years $134/$98 guaranteed wilson: 4 years $140/$107 guaranteed ryan: 5 years $150/$100 guaranteed mahomes: 10 years $450/$141 guaranteed stafford: 5 years $135/$92 guaranteed garoppolo: 5 years $137/$74 guaranteed cousins: 5 years $150/$150 guaranteed (last two contracts) prescott: 4 years $160/$126 guaranteed |
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Quoted: That was the whole point of Mahomes' contract. He gets financial security for life, and the Chiefs get to build a team around him. And I might add, it took about one day to go from "We hear there are talks of a Mahomes extension" to "Here are the details of his 10 year, half billion dollar deal." We've been talking about Dak's contract for what, 3 years? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Valid point here. Mahomes is really expensive now but becomes cheaper over the life of the contract. Dak will be 31 at the end of this 4 year deal, in his PRIME QB years, ready to sign another huge contract (if he can play well until then). That contract could end up netting him much more than Mahomes overal depending on what the cap does in the next couple years. https://i.imgur.com/rA2HKwE.png That was the whole point of Mahomes' contract. He gets financial security for life, and the Chiefs get to build a team around him. And I might add, it took about one day to go from "We hear there are talks of a Mahomes extension" to "Here are the details of his 10 year, half billion dollar deal." We've been talking about Dak's contract for what, 3 years? Gross mismanagement. Patrick Mahomes became eligible for an extension after the 2019 season. I'm not sure of the exact date, so let's call it the Super Bowl. He signed his extension on July 6th. It took 5 months to get through the draft, move some pieces around, and get it done, and I don't think there were any rumors of tension at any point. Dak was eligible after the 2018 season. They made him play through his option year, and then they tagged him. The whole time, Dak was increasing his own value and gaining leverage with some surprise help from the COVIDocalypse. I'm no capologist, but I'm pretty sure this chain of events cost Dallas a LOT more than it would have if they'd have paid Dak when he became eligible. |
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Quoted: Gross mismanagement. Patrick Mahomes became eligible for an extension after the 2019 season. I'm not sure of the exact date, so let's call it the Super Bowl. He signed his extension on July 6th. It took 5 months to get through the draft, move some pieces around, and get it done, and I don't think there were any rumors of tension at any point. Dak was eligible after the 2018 season. They made him play through his option year, and then they tagged him. The whole time, Dak was increasing his own value and gaining leverage with some surprise help from the COVIDocalypse. I'm no capologist, but I'm pretty sure this chain of events cost Dallas a LOT more than it would have if they'd have paid Dak when he became eligible. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Valid point here. Mahomes is really expensive now but becomes cheaper over the life of the contract. Dak will be 31 at the end of this 4 year deal, in his PRIME QB years, ready to sign another huge contract (if he can play well until then). That contract could end up netting him much more than Mahomes overal depending on what the cap does in the next couple years. https://i.imgur.com/rA2HKwE.png That was the whole point of Mahomes' contract. He gets financial security for life, and the Chiefs get to build a team around him. And I might add, it took about one day to go from "We hear there are talks of a Mahomes extension" to "Here are the details of his 10 year, half billion dollar deal." We've been talking about Dak's contract for what, 3 years? Gross mismanagement. Patrick Mahomes became eligible for an extension after the 2019 season. I'm not sure of the exact date, so let's call it the Super Bowl. He signed his extension on July 6th. It took 5 months to get through the draft, move some pieces around, and get it done, and I don't think there were any rumors of tension at any point. Dak was eligible after the 2018 season. They made him play through his option year, and then they tagged him. The whole time, Dak was increasing his own value and gaining leverage with some surprise help from the COVIDocalypse. I'm no capologist, but I'm pretty sure this chain of events cost Dallas a LOT more than it would have if they'd have paid Dak when he became eligible. you think they would've learned a thing or two from a team in their own division mismanaging their QB situation in the same way. |
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Quoted: just b/c i was curious.. watson: 4 years $156/$110 guaranteed wentz: 4 years $128/$107 guaranteed goff: 4 years $134/$110 guaranteed rodgers: 4 years $134/$98 guaranteed wilson: 4 years $140/$107 guaranteed ryan: 5 years $150/$100 guaranteed mahomes: 10 years $450/$141 guaranteed stafford: 5 years $135/$92 guaranteed garoppolo: 5 years $137/$74 guaranteed prescott: 4 years $160/$126 guaranteed View Quote I know that cap has increased since some of these were signed but holy fuck. I would take those Ryan or Stanford contracts over Dak. Less money AND a free year..... This just screams a Cousins to the Vikings all over again. Enjoy the cap hell. |
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Quoted: The biggest cap hit in 2020 was $31.5m on Dak's tag. 2019: Stafford $30.7 2018: Jimmy G $37 2017: Flacco $24.5 On Mahomes' deal, they will break a $40m cap in 2023. So Cowboys would beat them to $40m by 1 year. Ben was scheduled to be over $40m in 21 before the restructure last week. Edit: Something to remember with Mahomes is his guarantees are gone in 2022. His last 9 years he has basically 0 dead cap. Tons of room to restructure, or if something bad happens, straight up dump him. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: There is some wow factor to that contract, but to me it's standard for a starting QB of a NFL franchise. We can laugh all we want, but there hasn't been a QB who's won a SB after signing a big deal with the exception of Brady, and he takes below market deals. Since they worked it to keep a low cap this year, if it's a 5 year contract (1 void year) it means years 2 thru 4 would carry cap hits somewhere around $40M a year. Edit: THEN, if they resign him, the void year becomes due on the 1st year of the extension, so that could be an extra $13-ish million added to the 1st year of any new deal with the Cowboys, otherwise it is a dead cap hit if he moves on elsewhere. Steelers did the same thing with Ben, twice, and then got fucked because of the down cap this year. Hence the Steelers cap issues. Even with Ben's new deal they are taking double digit millions in dead cap next year on the new void. so is that the biggest cap hit for a QB in recent time? 2019: Stafford $30.7 2018: Jimmy G $37 2017: Flacco $24.5 On Mahomes' deal, they will break a $40m cap in 2023. So Cowboys would beat them to $40m by 1 year. Ben was scheduled to be over $40m in 21 before the restructure last week. Edit: Something to remember with Mahomes is his guarantees are gone in 2022. His last 9 years he has basically 0 dead cap. Tons of room to restructure, or if something bad happens, straight up dump him. It's not quite that simple. There's a rolling guarantee structure that progresses through the contract. At any given point, the Chiefs would be on the hook for 1-2 years worth of dead money if they had to cut him for some reason. It's a pretty slick and interesting contract structure, but like many, I'd be surprised if they go more than 4-5 years without redoing it for some reason or another. |
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Quoted: Gross mismanagement. Patrick Mahomes became eligible for an extension after the 2019 season. I'm not sure of the exact date, so let's call it the Super Bowl. He signed his extension on July 6th. It took 5 months to get through the draft, move some pieces around, and get it done, and I don't think there were any rumors of tension at any point. Dak was eligible after the 2018 season. They made him play through his option year, and then they tagged him. The whole time, Dak was increasing his own value and gaining leverage with some surprise help from the COVIDocalypse. I'm no capologist, but I'm pretty sure this chain of events cost Dallas a LOT more than it would have if they'd have paid Dak when he became eligible. View Quote Dak didn’t have an option year. |
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2 void years, so if he moves on after 4 the Cowboys are hosed even worse. |
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Quoted: I know that cap has increased since some of these were signed but holy fuck. I would take those Ryan or Stanford contracts over Dak. Less money AND a free year..... This just screams a Cousins to the Vikings all over again. Enjoy the cap hell. View Quote oh shit i forgot kirk, his last two contracts are 5 years $150 guaranteed!! edit: after making $44 on two franchise tags. |
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Quoted: Gross mismanagement. Patrick Mahomes became eligible for an extension after the 2019 season. I'm not sure of the exact date, so let's call it the Super Bowl. He signed his extension on July 6th. It took 5 months to get through the draft, move some pieces around, and get it done, and I don't think there were any rumors of tension at any point. Dak was eligible after the 2018 season. They made him play through his option year, and then they tagged him. The whole time, Dak was increasing his own value and gaining leverage with some surprise help from the COVIDocalypse. I'm no capologist, but I'm pretty sure this chain of events cost Dallas a LOT more than it would have if they'd have paid Dak when he became eligible. View Quote he didn't have an option year, but you aren't wrong with the rest of it. They could've done a much cheaper deal if they had signed him in 2018. This was poorly managed by Jerry and company |
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ev_7TqpWQAM4D16?format=png&name=medium View Quote did all that and did NOT have a huge 2020 campaign. fucking wow, good for dak, tho. |
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