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Posted: 12/26/2022 3:18:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm guessing everyone had real nice Christmas dinners/evenings, since no one said a single word during the Bucs game. I don't get how this team can look so dog shit/mediocre for 3 quarters and then explode late in the 4th seemingly week after week. I just don't get it. I know the offensive line is decimated, the run game sucks ass. But how are they able to turn it on so frequently in the 4th but can't get right in the first 3 quarters?... Anyways, here's some Brady/Bucs stats, then some regular Monday stats.
Hey, I posted I was taking the Bucs -120 very late into the 4th quarter.  https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Official-2022-NFL-Discussion-Thread/5-2538542/&page=454#i102039385 |
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Posted: 12/26/2022 3:23:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What if they punt Russ too? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Getting fired as a first year coach because the overpaid terrible QB can't hit the broadside of a barn has to sting. Broncos are going to be scraping the bottom of the barrel for a coach that wants to come into that shit show. What if they punt Russ too? Russ has 160+ Mil guaranteed contract. Punting him wouldn't help out much at all. They screwed themselves with that contract. Not sure how you pull in a good QB with a jacked up financial situation you put yourself into. |
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Posted: 12/26/2022 3:24:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Russ has 160+ Mil guaranteed contract. Punting him wouldn't help out much at all. They screwed themselves with that contract. Not sure how you pull in a good QB with a jacked up financial situation you put yourself into. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Getting fired as a first year coach because the overpaid terrible QB can't hit the broadside of a barn has to sting. Broncos are going to be scraping the bottom of the barrel for a coach that wants to come into that shit show. What if they punt Russ too? Russ has 160+ Mil guaranteed contract. Punting him wouldn't help out much at all. They screwed themselves with that contract. Not sure how you pull in a good QB with a jacked up financial situation you put yourself into. The Broncos are so screwed |
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Posted: 12/26/2022 3:26:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Russ has 160+ Mil guaranteed contract. Punting him wouldn't help out much at all. They screwed themselves with that contract. Not sure how you pull in a good QB with a jacked up financial situation you put yourself into. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Getting fired as a first year coach because the overpaid terrible QB can't hit the broadside of a barn has to sting. Broncos are going to be scraping the bottom of the barrel for a coach that wants to come into that shit show. What if they punt Russ too? Russ has 160+ Mil guaranteed contract. Punting him wouldn't help out much at all. They screwed themselves with that contract. Not sure how you pull in a good QB with a jacked up financial situation you put yourself into. But these folks are WAL MART money. Maybe they want to win and win now. They just paid how many billions to BUY the franchise? |
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Posted: 12/26/2022 3:28:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Russ has 160+ Mil guaranteed contract. Punting him wouldn't help out much at all. They screwed themselves with that contract. Not sure how you pull in a good QB with a jacked up financial situation you put yourself into. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Getting fired as a first year coach because the overpaid terrible QB can't hit the broadside of a barn has to sting. Broncos are going to be scraping the bottom of the barrel for a coach that wants to come into that shit show. What if they punt Russ too? Russ has 160+ Mil guaranteed contract. Punting him wouldn't help out much at all. They screwed themselves with that contract. Not sure how you pull in a good QB with a jacked up financial situation you put yourself into. Plus there's a chance Wilson might be able to improve next season and at least be average. With that MASSIVE dead cap hit it wouldn't make any sense to cut him. |
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Posted: 12/26/2022 3:29:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Seems like an absurd thing for NFL players to be forced to deal with. Either allow them to park in a parking garage or maybe their owner can spend our equivalent of $5 and hire some people to clear the snow for his players before they arrive. If not for convenience then do it to lower the risk of an off-the-field injury to a player a few weeks before the playoffs.
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/258158/28CA0FC8-EBA0-4FCA-A885-4FE046C91AAC_jpe-2649244.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/258158/BFD43877-EEE4-4C41-80D1-462F9FB30925_jpe-2649245.JPG With that much snow you need full access to the vehicles to clear it out without it being stupidly tedious. Option A: Plow a clear area, players return, access cars, move them into cleared area, clean off cars relatively quickly, go home. Option B: Hire a handful of dudes with shovels and brushes to chip away at multiple feet of snow that's on top of, between, and concealing rather expensive vehicles. Can they afford it? Sure. Does it really make any sense? No. |
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Posted: 12/26/2022 3:29:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: NH fired as HC for the Broncos... If you take into account everything (including long term implications) a case could be made that the 2022 Broncos have had the most disastrous season an NFL team has had in decades. Emphasis on long term. What HC candidate is signing up for the situation Denver is in right now?
 After the 2023 season is over, Denver can cut Wilson and take a $50M stomp in the nuts. On March 21, 2024, there's a rolling guarantee marker that fully guarantees his 2025 salary. Depending upon how the NFL calendar gets set up, there might be a window where Denver can cut Wilson after the 2023 season but before that guarantee kicks in. |
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Posted: 12/26/2022 3:30:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Plus there's a chance Wilson might be able to improve next season and at least be average. With that MASSIVE dead cap hit it wouldn't make any sense to cut him. I bet they try him out next year to see how had he truly is, but I don't think it's outside the realm of reason that they bring another QB in at some point. Even with the deadcap. |
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Posted: 12/26/2022 3:32:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But these folks are WAL MART money. Maybe they want to win and win now. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Getting fired as a first year coach because the overpaid terrible QB can't hit the broadside of a barn has to sting. Broncos are going to be scraping the bottom of the barrel for a coach that wants to come into that shit show. What if they punt Russ too? Russ has 160+ Mil guaranteed contract. Punting him wouldn't help out much at all. They screwed themselves with that contract. Not sure how you pull in a good QB with a jacked up financial situation you put yourself into. But these folks are WAL MART money. Maybe they want to win and win now. This isn't MLB where is no salary cap. 
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Posted: 12/26/2022 3:32:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was thinking about that...some people get weird when you touch their stuff. How do you clear off 5' of snow on a car/SUV roof without damaging/scratching the top or break something like a rack or antenna. I can just hear the players blaming someone for damaging the bling on their toys.  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Seems like an absurd thing for NFL players to be forced to deal with. Either allow them to park in a parking garage or maybe their owner can spend our equivalent of $5 and hire some people to clear the snow for his players before they arrive. If not for convenience then do it to lower the risk of an off-the-field injury to a player a few weeks before the playoffs.
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/258158/28CA0FC8-EBA0-4FCA-A885-4FE046C91AAC_jpe-2649244.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/258158/BFD43877-EEE4-4C41-80D1-462F9FB30925_jpe-2649245.JPG Quoted: I’m not sure what that has to do with an owner with a net worth of $6.7B not wanting to spend under $10k to make life easier on his players and reducing the risk of a freak off-the-field injury a few weeks from the postseason, but okay.  Response to your first post. And have you ever seen a parking garage in the winter? Guessing not. Do you honestly believe if the Bills offered $1,000 per person they couldn’t find a team of people willing to clear the snow from the players’ vehicles before they arrived home from Chicago? Especially if they said it was for the Buffalo Bills players. I was thinking about that...some people get weird when you touch their stuff. How do you clear off 5' of snow on a car/SUV roof without damaging/scratching the top or break something like a rack or antenna. I can just hear the players blaming someone for damaging the bling on their toys. This as well. It's a nice gesture and all, but there is so much potential for shit to go wrong I wouldn't want to put people in that position. That said, considering it's Buffalo this kind of snowfall isn't new and you'd think they'd have covered parking of some kind. THAT is the solution. |
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Posted: 12/26/2022 3:33:31 PM EDT
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While I don't really participate in this thread, I love these weekly posts you do. Always enjoyable.
Quote HistoryQuoted: I might be pessimistic and say that Belichik/Patricia/whoever will end up ruining this damn impressive kid I'm actually thinking he might live. Troy Brown is the Patsies WR/return coach. Troy played on all three sides(O/D/ST) through his career. |
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Posted: 12/26/2022 3:54:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We get ice here as well...every winter. How many times did you deal with multiple feet of snow with 60+ mph winds and negative temps before the wind chill was even factored in? This isn't a normal winter storm. People are without power and the emergency services are even shut down. The blizzard of 78 was my one and only blizzard. Never again. I was the only able bodied person in the house until my future brother in-law hiked in a couple days in. |
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Posted: 12/26/2022 3:56:10 PM EDT
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For those who missed it, they each took 1 swing at each other at mid-field post game before being pulled apart by other players. They were both wearing their helmets at the time. |
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Posted: 12/26/2022 4:09:59 PM EDT
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Pulled up Russell's contract to do the math on this one. In 2023 Wilson is scheduled to receive a guaranteed $20M option bonus (spread over 5 years cap wise). In 2024 Wilson is scheduled to receive a guaranteed $22M option bonus (spread over 5 years cap wise). Wilson's 2023 and 2024 salaries are fully guaranteed ($25M). That makes up the remaining $67M in cash, Wilson is still guaranteed currently. All of which would be paid out to Wilson after being cut. His 2023 cap hit, on a post June 1st designation, would be a measely $22M. His 2024 cap hit, as the remainder of his signing bonus and both option bonuses come due, would be EIGHTY FIVE MILLION DOLLARS. So yeah... The Broncos could just cut Wilson and move on (  ) but it would cost them $67 in cash, a relatively minor (by comparison, but still a lot) one year dead cap of $22M, then a MASSIVE 2024 dead cap hit of $85M.Meanwhile they don't get any of those draft picks or traded players back. Not exactly as realistic/reasonable as Rosenthal seemingly makes it sound. Edit: No guarantee on my numbers, this is based on my understanding of how the post June 1st cut works, which could be wrong. But they would definitely still owe $67M, and they would be on the hook for $107M in dead cap over the two years combined. |
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Posted: 12/26/2022 4:15:52 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/26/2022 4:23:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This as well. It's a nice gesture and all, but there is so much potential for shit to go wrong I wouldn't want to put people in that position. That said, considering it's Buffalo this kind of snowfall isn't new and you'd think they'd have covered parking of some kind. THAT is the solution. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Seems like an absurd thing for NFL players to be forced to deal with. Either allow them to park in a parking garage or maybe their owner can spend our equivalent of $5 and hire some people to clear the snow for his players before they arrive. If not for convenience then do it to lower the risk of an off-the-field injury to a player a few weeks before the playoffs.
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/258158/28CA0FC8-EBA0-4FCA-A885-4FE046C91AAC_jpe-2649244.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/258158/BFD43877-EEE4-4C41-80D1-462F9FB30925_jpe-2649245.JPG Quoted: I’m not sure what that has to do with an owner with a net worth of $6.7B not wanting to spend under $10k to make life easier on his players and reducing the risk of a freak off-the-field injury a few weeks from the postseason, but okay. Response to your first post. And have you ever seen a parking garage in the winter? Guessing not. Do you honestly believe if the Bills offered $1,000 per person they couldn’t find a team of people willing to clear the snow from the players’ vehicles before they arrived home from Chicago? Especially if they said it was for the Buffalo Bills players. I was thinking about that...some people get weird when you touch their stuff. How do you clear off 5' of snow on a car/SUV roof without damaging/scratching the top or break something like a rack or antenna. I can just hear the players blaming someone for damaging the bling on their toys. This as well. It's a nice gesture and all, but there is so much potential for shit to go wrong I wouldn't want to put people in that position. That said, considering it's Buffalo this kind of snowfall isn't new and you'd think they'd have covered parking of some kind. THAT is the solution. Can you imagine the optics if some young super fan died buried under 5 feet of snow because he was cleaning off a player’s Escalade or Range Rover? |
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Posted: 12/26/2022 4:24:13 PM EDT
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 If 2022 didn't happen, I would make the case that 2021 was due to his hand injury. But seeing 2022 and seeing how clean that line plots is... something. |
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Posted: 12/26/2022 4:25:45 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/26/2022 4:26:21 PM EDT
[#19]
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I wouldn't want to bet on either of the two favorites to take over that shitshow. Sean Payton has options and Dan Quinn knows he almost certainly will only get one more shot at being an NFL HC in his career. |
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Posted: 12/26/2022 4:27:57 PM EDT
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I’d put my money on Reich, were I a betting man. Payton is pretty clearly waiting for an ideal situation to take another job. Moore is a possibility. Young guy, get some experience, and blame the cap situation when he’s fired after 2 years in his future interviews. |
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Posted: 12/26/2022 4:28:00 PM EDT
[#21]
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It's not Payton. At least not unless a monster slab of Walmart money gets involved. He's generally considered the most desirable candidate of this cycle. This looks about right:
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Posted: 12/26/2022 4:32:35 PM EDT
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Is Russell Wilson still mostly using "we" and "us" in post game interviews instead of "I" and "me" when talking about struggling and needing to play better?
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Posted: 12/26/2022 4:44:47 PM EDT
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Regular season stats.
Bill has the 3rd most total wins all time. He has the 11th best win percentage all time (min 50 wins). He owns the most divisional titles. Belichick career as a head coach: 297-151 (0.663) Belichick Cleveland: 36-44 (0.450) Belichick New England before Tom: 5-13 (0.278) Belichick New England with Tom: 222-65 (0.774) Belichick New England after Tom: 23-24 (0.489) Belichick entire career without Tom: 75-86 (0.466) Winning seasons with Tom: 18 (of 18) Winning seasons without Tom: 3 (of 10) Divisional Titles with Tom: 17 Divisional Titles without Tom: 0 |
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Posted: 12/26/2022 4:44:58 PM EDT
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The interim coach is the clock management guy brought in mid-season instead of the DC leading one of the best defenses in the league. 
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Posted: 12/26/2022 4:49:58 PM EDT
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Quoted:
The interim coach is the clock management guy brought in mid-season instead of the DC leading one of the best defenses in the league. His NFL experience includes: Special Teams Coordinator: Cleveland 01-06 Special Teams Coordinator: Atlanta 07 Special Teams Coordinator: Baltimore 08-18 Senior Assistant Coach: Denver 22 So he has never been more than a special teams coach before this season. He also had a 3 year gap between his last gig and this one. |
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Posted: 12/26/2022 4:51:56 PM EDT
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The interim coach is the clock management guy brought in mid-season instead of the DC leading one of the best defenses in the league. Almost wonder if he was offered, and declined the promotion. He’s pretty much killing it at his current position (yesterday notwithstanding) and as HC he’ll be blamed for Wilson’s epic shitting of the bed. |
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Posted: 12/26/2022 4:52:20 PM EDT
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The interim coach is the clock management guy brought in mid-season instead of the DC leading one of the best defenses in the league. Trying to increase the chances they'll lose out and increase their draft position? |
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Posted: 12/26/2022 4:53:58 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Trying to increase the chances they'll lose out and increase their draft position?
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Posted: 12/26/2022 4:55:43 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: To help the Seahawks?... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Trying to increase the chances they'll lose out and increase their draft position?  |
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Posted: 12/26/2022 5:09:16 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/26/2022 5:11:14 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/26/2022 5:13:36 PM EDT
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The coaching carousel could get interesting.
Definite vacancies: Colts Broncos Panthers Likely vacancies: Texans Cardinals Saints Possible vacancies: Raiders Chargers Commanders Rams Cowboys Buccaneers Longshot vacancies: Patriots Steelers Seahawks Quoted: I wouldn't want to bet on either of the two favorites to take over that shitshow. Sean Payton has options and Dan Quinn knows he almost certifiably will only get one more shot at being an NFL HC in his career. If I'm Sean Payton, I don't think I'm interested in any jobs on this list except for the Chargers and the Cowboys, and I think Staley has probably saved his job for next season, so I'd watch Dallas for that one. The exception might be if there's a team with a top-5 pick and eyes on drafting a QB prospect he likes. Dan Quinn might only have one shot left, but I'm not sure how high he is on the candidate list. A defense first team like the Broncos might be the way to go for him, especially if the contract terms are favorable. I think Quinn might also fit the "let's get an adult in the room to stabilize things" candidate profile which is what Denver should probably be looking for. Caldwell might also fit this. Quoted: I’d put my money on Reich, were I a betting man. Payton is pretty clearly waiting for an ideal situation to take another job. Moore is a possibility. Young guy, get some experience, and blame the cap situation when he’s fired after 2 years in his future interviews. I'm not sure how the league views Reich at the moment. If they view Indy's problems as mostly on Ballard and the front office, then maybe he'll get some serious consideration. There's no way I'm considering the Denver job if I'm a young coaching candidate with a decent market like Moore (or DeMeco Ryans) might have. It's a borderline suicide mission, that type of coach probably isn't a good fit, and a guy with his background probably doesn't have leverage to get good contract terms. |
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Posted: 12/26/2022 5:13:36 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/26/2022 5:33:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
WAT |
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Posted: 12/26/2022 5:36:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: WAT Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted:
WAT @Bennjammin “Where I’m from dey empty da clip.” |
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Posted: 12/26/2022 5:37:26 PM EDT
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Possible vacancies:
Raiders Chargers Commanders Rams Cowboys Buccaneers Not likely until Snyder sells the team. |
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Posted: 12/26/2022 6:10:42 PM EDT
[#37]
3 in one season? Yikes. |
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Posted: 12/26/2022 6:17:44 PM EDT
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3 in one season? Yikes. WTF is going on with this guy
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Posted: 12/26/2022 6:22:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: WTF is going on with this guy
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3 in one season? Yikes. WTF is going on with this guy
McDaniel might not know when it happened, but the internet does:
His reputation for injury management is not great. |
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Posted: 12/26/2022 6:22:53 PM EDT
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3 in one season? Yikes. That sucks. The dude has shown flashes of borderline greatness. Doesn't look like he is going to last long enough to find out if he is any good or not. |
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Posted: 12/26/2022 6:28:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: McDaniel might not know when it happened, but the internet does:
His reputation for injury management is not great. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted:
3 in one season? Yikes. WTF is going on with this guy
McDaniel might not know when it happened, but the internet does:
His reputation for injury management is not great. I think it’s more McDaniels just doesn’t give a fuck if Tua needs coloring books for Christmas in a couple decades, as long as McDaniels can get some early HC career wins. |
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Posted: 12/26/2022 6:28:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: McDaniel might not know when it happened, but the internet does:
His reputation for injury management is not great. |
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Posted: 12/26/2022 6:31:45 PM EDT
[#43]
The end in New York for Zach Wilson. He has been moved to the inactive list. Flacco will now be QB2 behind Mike White.
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Posted: 12/26/2022 6:35:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That sucks. The dude has shown flashes of borderline greatness. Doesn't look like he is going to last long enough to find out if he is any good or not. He needs to learn to fall on his face to avoid that whiplash effect from falling on his back. |
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Posted: 12/26/2022 6:35:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The end in New York for Zach Wilson. He has been moved to the inactive list. Flacco will now be QB2 behind Mike White. If they trade for Russel then the teams wouldn't have to pay for new jerseys.
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Posted: 12/26/2022 6:37:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think it’s more McDaniels just doesn’t give a fuck if Tua needs coloring books for Christmas in a couple decades, as long as McDaniels can get some early HC career wins. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted:
3 in one season? Yikes. WTF is going on with this guy
McDaniel might not know when it happened, but the internet does:
His reputation for injury management is not great. I think it’s more McDaniels just doesn’t give a fuck if Tua needs coloring books for Christmas in a couple decades, as long as McDaniels can get some early HC career wins. Exactly. I’ve been saying since Tua’s first concussion this season that McDaniels was another Bud Kilmer.  |
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Posted: 12/26/2022 6:39:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The end in New York for Zach Wilson. He has been moved to the inactive list. Flacco will now be QB2 behind Mike White. Kinda crazy they're moving on so quickly. I mean I get riding the hot hand during one of your best seasons of the last decade, but it's doubtful that White is a true QB1 and benching Wilson at this point might mean he never develops into the QB you wanted to draft. It might help also, so it's hard to guage, but I think it's still kind of surprising. |
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Posted: 12/26/2022 6:39:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Plus there's a chance Wilson might be able to improve next season and at least be average. With that MASSIVE dead cap hit it wouldn't make any sense to cut him. Yeah. The new coach hire is based on winning with wilson. Bring in whatever system he can play in. Only if every coach you interview says it can't be done do you give up already. |
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Posted: 12/26/2022 6:42:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He needs to learn to fall on his face to avoid that whiplash effect from falling on his back. |
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Posted: 12/26/2022 6:56:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He needs to learn to fall on his face to avoid that whiplash effect from falling on his back. Looks like he relaxes into the backward falls too much and lets his head whip down. Could have a weak neck but it seems unlikely. The first concussion hit milano just pushed him off balance backward with his hands. |
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