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Posted: 2/15/2023 7:03:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Even quarterbacks who have started for years sometimes have to do it. Jameis Winston made $46M over 5 seasons with the Bucs. He signed with the Saints on a 1yr league minimum contract so he could back up Drew Brees, learn a little, and hopefully take the starting job when Drew left. Then he signed a 1yr $5.5M deal taking over as the starter (much like Geno this year) and he was playing really well until he tore his ACL. Then, even with the ACL tear, he signed on for $14MPY this year (before he broke his back). If a guy who led the league in yards one year, can take league minimum the next year to put himself in place to learn and take over a better team... Love will take the 1 year $3M incentive deal hoping for a chance to prove himself. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Geno Smith signed a 1 year deal worth $3.5M and earned himself an additional $3.5M in incentives this year. He was being paid league minimum as a backup prior to that. Flacco made $3.5M in New York this year. Chad Henne made $2M in KC Colt McCoy made $3.75M in AZ Tyrod made $5.5M in NY Andy Dalton made $3M in NO Keenum made $6M in MIN Heinicke made $2.4M in WAS Foles made $3.1M in IND That is realistically what Love is worth until proven otherwise. About $3M a year. Edit: Realistically. Until he gets a chance to show what he is capable of, I don't see him taking anything but 1 year deals with incentives. He won't want to sign himself for multiple years at a budget rate, but no team is going to give him more than budget rate until he proves his value. Geno has signed a 1 year deal SIX times in a row to get to where he is now, and now he'll look to bank in on it after finally getting the chance to prove himself in Seattle. And Geno is a perfect example here. Gets drafted to a dumpster franchise, gets thrown into the volcano that is NFL play, looks like a bust because of the situation, has to be a backup for years and years despite looking decent in his limited action, and he finally gets an opportunity to start again and thankfully for him he capitalized on it. I'm pretty sure Love doesn't love riding the bench, but if he's smart he'll choose his path based on a supporting cast and not just who is desperate enough to pay him more. GB or otherwise. Then he signed a 1yr $5.5M deal taking over as the starter (much like Geno this year) and he was playing really well until he tore his ACL. Then, even with the ACL tear, he signed on for $14MPY this year (before he broke his back). If a guy who led the league in yards one year, can take league minimum the next year to put himself in place to learn and take over a better team... Love will take the 1 year $3M incentive deal hoping for a chance to prove himself. I think it's funny that despite me being the one to initially suggest what basically amounts to a "team friendly deal" and why Love should want to go that route, that you seem more confident in it than I do...  |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 7:06:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Geno Smith signed a 1 year deal worth $3.5M and earned himself an additional $3.5M in incentives this year. He was being paid league minimum as a backup prior to that. Flacco made $3.5M in New York this year. Chad Henne made $2M in KC Colt McCoy made $3.75M in AZ Tyrod made $5.5M in NY Andy Dalton made $3M in NO Keenum made $6M in MIN Heinicke made $2.4M in WAS Foles made $3.1M in IND Umm....Keenum is in Buffalo now 
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Posted: 2/15/2023 7:13:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Umm....Keenum is in Buffalo now |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 7:16:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think it's funny that despite me being the one to initially suggest what basically amounts to a "team friendly deal" and why Love should want to go that route, that you seem more confident in it than I do... Does Jordan Love want to gamble on the open market, or continue to hang on and potentially take over as the starting quarterback for a historic franchise in the Green Bay Packers? With a system, coach and players he has already fit in with for years? I'm staying put on 1 year deals, with some incentives for snap count and production, and then betting on myself that as soon as I get the chance to start, I will prove my value and the very next year I'm getting paid. |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 7:18:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wouldn't say he's the guy but I do agree at this point they shouldn't trade up in the draft or be big spenders on a QB. The team they fielded this season only had 63% of the salary cap to utilize. There's so many holes that a QB isn't going to solve anything. I agree that it is too early to annoint him a franchise QB, but there is no guarantee in the draft either. I feel better about my chances with the guy that has been on the team for a year. He hasn't done anything to make you believe that he can't be the guy. He has earned the chance to be the starter next year. If he fails, draft a QB next year. I do think that he is going to be a good one though. |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 7:24:02 PM EDT
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My view for the day:
 After a World Series and two Super Bowls, it feels like these are getting smoother. I’m pretty sure turnout was better this year than after SB LIV. |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 7:24:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: One of these teams played in the SB last weekend. The other needs a new QB this season or next. Love's body of work at the pro level is minuscule but if he can operate within Lafleur's system, throw a half-decent ball, and make the occasional athletic play; he might be good. Might even be really good. At this point I'll take a guy with potential who is willing to show up to training camp and throw to the rookies over Rodgers for a lot of the reasons posted yesterday.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkIONmDiN4EThe GB fan in me wants to take what I saw in that Eagles game & extrapolate it into a great career... ...but realistically you have to look at it in context. That game is essentially Love's highlight reel. His preseason games weren't close to it despite the lower level of talent on the field. On top of that, the Eagles had a two score lead in the 4th quarter and any team in that situation is going to be playing a somewhat softer defense. Just look at the last game the Eagles played... It's great that Love did what he did, but I don't really see it moving the needle as much as he'd like it to. |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 7:26:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My view for the day: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/257918/D8C6C097-ABB3-4903-8141-31719AE1F807-2712400.jpg After a World Series and two Super Bowls, it feels like these are getting smoother. I'm pretty sure turnout was better this year than after SB LIV. |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 7:33:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My view for the day: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/257918/D8C6C097-ABB3-4903-8141-31719AE1F807-2712400.jpg After a World Series and two Super Bowls, it feels like these are getting smoother. I’m pretty sure turnout was better this year than after SB LIV. Sweet! How bad was the traffic? |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 7:36:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My view for the day: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/257918/D8C6C097-ABB3-4903-8141-31719AE1F807-2712400.jpg After a World Series and two Super Bowls, it feels like these are getting smoother. I’m pretty sure turnout was better this year than after SB LIV. You must be some sort of superfan to go to a rally for a team that isn't a contender. By the way, how'd they do this year? |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 7:43:37 PM EDT
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Next year's logo:
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Posted: 2/15/2023 7:48:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My view for the day: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/257918/D8C6C097-ABB3-4903-8141-31719AE1F807-2712400.jpg After a World Series and two Super Bowls, it feels like these are getting smoother. I’m pretty sure turnout was better this year than after SB LIV. So after spending the vast majority of the season trashing the Chiefs as not even being contenders, you go to the Super Bowl victory celebration.  The Simpsons - Isotopes Bandwagoner |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 8:28:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's not even about taking a team friendly deal. It's about taking what you HAVE to take, but taking it in the best place to potentially take more next time. Does Jordan Love want to gamble on the open market, or continue to hang on and potentially take over as the starting quarterback for a historic franchise in the Green Bay Packers? With a system, coach and players he has already fit in with for years? I'm staying put on 1 year deals, with some incentives for snap count and production, and then betting on myself that as soon as I get the chance to start, I will prove my value and the very next year I'm getting paid. Well, GB has to decide if he is going to be their QB in 24 before Rodgers decides on the 23 season. They can roll dice and choose not to pick up his 5th year option in hopes that Rodgers comes back this season. If Rodgers doesn’t come back and Love has a good season they will be forced to tag him, let him walk, and give him a long term deal at real starter money. He’s potentially in Cousins situation here. |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 8:35:46 PM EDT
[#14]
Who lit the Tampon on the Rogers fan?
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Posted: 2/15/2023 8:47:13 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Who lit the Tampon on the Rogers fan? That was kind of bizarre. People were casually discussing what they thought the Packers and Rodgers should do for next season and then he had a full on meltdown.  |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 8:53:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That was kind of bizarre. People were casually discussing what they thought the Packers and Rodgers should do for next season and then he had a full on meltdown. There's a meltdown every season. This time it wasn't me
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Posted: 2/15/2023 9:03:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There's a meltdown every season. This time it wasn't me Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That was kind of bizarre. People were casually discussing what they thought the Packers and Rodgers should do for next season and then he had a full on meltdown. There's a meltdown every season. This time it wasn't me  |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 9:30:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That was kind of bizarre. People were casually discussing what they thought the Packers and Rodgers should do for next season and then he had a full on meltdown. I'm glad I didn't shitpost what came to mind about Rogers. I may have gotten more than a fuck off. |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 10:21:37 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/15/2023 10:49:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Of the last 30 quarterback/head coach duos to LOSE in their first Super Bowl appearance together, only ONE duo ever made it back to the Super Bowl. That was Jim Kelly/Mark Levy (who obviously went 4 times). Independently, only four times has the quarterback OR coach (by themselves) ever made it back to the Super Bowl with the same team. Elway w/Broncos 1997, Cowher w/Steelers 2005, Manning w/Broncos 2015, McVay w/Rams 2021. Doesn't bode well for the Eagles (Jalen Hurts/Nick Sirianni) or Bengals (Joe Burrow/Zac Taylor), historically speaking. Edit: After every Super Bowl loss by a young quarterback there is this feel-good period where everyone keeps repeating that the young quarterback will be back again, but that hasn't happened in 30 years (Buffalo, Kelly/Levy), winning a Super Bowl is so hard that if you lose your first chance you probably won't get another. Double Edit: We should call it the Marino Rule. There this too…  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 11:02:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryDrew Bledsoe made it back. Although he wasn't the starter, he did win the AFC championship for the Patriots so they could play in the Super Bowl. |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 11:12:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
The only good, aggressive defense the bills have had in 50 years is the one the ryan brothers came in and destroyed. |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 11:15:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The only good, aggressive defense the bills have had in 50 years is the one the ryan brothers came in and destroyed.  And if they hire Ryan..... well, I will enjoy the mid that will ensue |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 11:16:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOne of those is not like the others. |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 11:57:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sweet! How bad was the traffic? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: My view for the day: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/257918/D8C6C097-ABB3-4903-8141-31719AE1F807-2712400.jpg After a World Series and two Super Bowls, it feels like these are getting smoother. I’m pretty sure turnout was better this year than after SB LIV. Sweet! How bad was the traffic? When you go in early and leave late, it's not terrible. We were in the city and parked by 9. Traffic was only noticeable when we got within a few blocks of the closed off area. When we got back to the vehicle, we pulled out a grill and started cooking. I don't think we started driving until at least 3:45-4:00. There was a bad bottleneck due to lane closures on Linwood (nice area to be stuck sitting for a while...), but once we hit the highway, it felt like normal rush hour traffic. |
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Posted: 2/16/2023 12:21:07 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So after spending the vast majority of the season trashing the Chiefs as not even being contenders, you go to the Super Bowl victory celebration. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miQm1lcsCSkQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: My view for the day: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/257918/D8C6C097-ABB3-4903-8141-31719AE1F807-2712400.jpg After a World Series and two Super Bowls, it feels like these are getting smoother. I’m pretty sure turnout was better this year than after SB LIV. So after spending the vast majority of the season trashing the Chiefs as not even being contenders, you go to the Super Bowl victory celebration. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miQm1lcsCSkThere's a difference between "trashing" a team and trying to maintain realistic expectations about a team. The Chiefs defense was a bottom-10ish unit for the first half the season or so, and most of their statistical improvements after that came against bad teams. Rooting and cheering for a unit like that is one thing. Trusting and having confidence in them is something else. |
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Posted: 2/16/2023 12:51:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You must be some sort of superfan to go to a rally for a team that isn't a contender. By the way, how'd they do this year?  Attached File Attached FileThe haters are going to hate. Said we were doomed after loosing Tyreek Hill and the Honey Badger and several other players after last season. Said it was a rebuilding time for the Chief's 
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Posted: 2/16/2023 1:01:50 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There's a difference between "trashing" a team and trying to maintain realistic expectations about a team. The Chiefs defense was a bottom-10ish unit for the first half the season or so, and most of their statistical improvements after that came against bad teams. Rooting and cheering for a unit like that is one thing. Trusting and having confidence in them is something else. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: My view for the day: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/257918/D8C6C097-ABB3-4903-8141-31719AE1F807-2712400.jpg After a World Series and two Super Bowls, it feels like these are getting smoother. I’m pretty sure turnout was better this year than after SB LIV. So after spending the vast majority of the season trashing the Chiefs as not even being contenders, you go to the Super Bowl victory celebration. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miQm1lcsCSkThere's a difference between "trashing" a team and trying to maintain realistic expectations about a team. The Chiefs defense was a bottom-10ish unit for the first half the season or so, and most of their statistical improvements after that came against bad teams. Rooting and cheering for a unit like that is one thing. Trusting and having confidence in them is something else. Realistic expectations? Dude, come off it. The Chiefs were THE favorites to win the Super Bowl heading into the postseason; meanwhile you were claiming they weren't even contenders.
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Posted: 2/16/2023 1:14:28 AM EDT
[#29]
HUGE NEWS!!!
Mark Davis... the guy with the shittiest haircut in the world....  Is now bald.... 
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Posted: 2/16/2023 1:22:19 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Realistic expectations? Dude, come off it. The Chiefs were THE favorites to win the Super Bowl heading into the postseason; meanwhile you were claiming they weren't even contenders. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: My view for the day: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/257918/D8C6C097-ABB3-4903-8141-31719AE1F807-2712400.jpg After a World Series and two Super Bowls, it feels like these are getting smoother. I’m pretty sure turnout was better this year than after SB LIV. So after spending the vast majority of the season trashing the Chiefs as not even being contenders, you go to the Super Bowl victory celebration. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miQm1lcsCSkThere's a difference between "trashing" a team and trying to maintain realistic expectations about a team. The Chiefs defense was a bottom-10ish unit for the first half the season or so, and most of their statistical improvements after that came against bad teams. Rooting and cheering for a unit like that is one thing. Trusting and having confidence in them is something else. Realistic expectations? Dude, come off it. The Chiefs were THE favorites to win the Super Bowl heading into the postseason; meanwhile you were claiming they weren't even contenders. Yes... realistic expectations. I consider a good defense to be a prerequisite for a feasible Super Bowl run. By most metrics, Chiefs didn't have that. |
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Posted: 2/16/2023 2:18:53 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: HUGE NEWS!!! Mark Davis... the guy with the shittiest haircut in the world.... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/219476/560ea56c9dd7cc1c008becd4-2712837.jpg Is now bald.... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/219476/Mark-Davis-new-look-1-1-2712835.jpg I like that picture of him with the backpack where he looks like a 70 year old elementary school student. |
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Posted: 2/16/2023 2:22:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes... realistic expectations. I consider a good defense to be a prerequisite for a feasible Super Bowl run. By most metrics, Chiefs didn't have that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: My view for the day: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/257918/D8C6C097-ABB3-4903-8141-31719AE1F807-2712400.jpg After a World Series and two Super Bowls, it feels like these are getting smoother. I’m pretty sure turnout was better this year than after SB LIV. So after spending the vast majority of the season trashing the Chiefs as not even being contenders, you go to the Super Bowl victory celebration. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miQm1lcsCSkThere's a difference between "trashing" a team and trying to maintain realistic expectations about a team. The Chiefs defense was a bottom-10ish unit for the first half the season or so, and most of their statistical improvements after that came against bad teams. Rooting and cheering for a unit like that is one thing. Trusting and having confidence in them is something else. Realistic expectations? Dude, come off it. The Chiefs were THE favorites to win the Super Bowl heading into the postseason; meanwhile you were claiming they weren't even contenders. Yes... realistic expectations. I consider a good defense to be a prerequisite for a feasible Super Bowl run. By most metrics, Chiefs didn't have that. If you said you didn't think the Chiefs would win the Super Bowl that would be one thing. However, to claim the odds on favorite to win the Super Bowl heading into the postseason isn't even a contender to win the Super Bowl is, IMO, most definitely not realistic. |
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Posted: 2/16/2023 3:54:21 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: HUGE NEWS!!! Mark Davis... the guy with the shittiest haircut in the world.... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/219476/560ea56c9dd7cc1c008becd4-2712837.jpg Is now bald.... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/219476/Mark-Davis-new-look-1-1-2712835.jpg Much better than the toddler cut. |
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Posted: 2/16/2023 6:22:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Realistic expectations? Dude, come off it. The Chiefs were THE favorites to win the Super Bowl heading into the postseason; meanwhile you were claiming they weren't even contenders. When the season started they had the third best odds to win the SB. |
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Posted: 2/16/2023 7:17:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Drew Bledsoe made it back. Although he wasn't the starter, he did win the AFC championship for the Patriots so they could play in the Super Bowl. Quote HistoryQuoted: Drew Bledsoe made it back. Although he wasn't the starter, he did win the AFC championship for the Patriots so they could play in the Super Bowl. You’re right, but 1 outta 17 isn’t good! |
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Posted: 2/16/2023 7:30:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was in Miami during his time there and it was a total shitshow. Without that Walker trade equivalent in Miami, he did nothing. IMO that was Jimmy's greatest strength, evaluating talent and assembling a roster. In Dallas he had great coordinators running the Offense and Defense. He was also great at instilling discipline in the team. And remember he built the Dallas team before the salary cap. He was in Miami after the cap was in place. |
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Posted: 2/16/2023 7:34:11 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That was kind of bizarre. People were casually discussing what they thought the Packers and Rodgers should do for next season and then he had a full on meltdown. You say bizarre, I say fucking awesome. I have come here for the last 20 plus years for entertainment, and that was entertaining. |
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Posted: 2/16/2023 8:34:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You say bizarre, I say fucking awesome. I have come here for the last 20 plus years for entertainment, and that was entertaining. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That was kind of bizarre. People were casually discussing what they thought the Packers and Rodgers should do for next season and then? he had a full on meltdown. You say bizarre, I say fucking awesome. I have come here for the last 20 plus years for entertainment, and that was entertaining. No penalty? Timeout or permaban? Predictions? Odds? |
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Posted: 2/16/2023 8:42:56 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There's a difference between "trashing" a team and trying to maintain realistic expectations about a team. If you were trying to "maintain realistic expectations" about the Chiefs, you failed spectacularly. |
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Posted: 2/16/2023 8:56:14 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If you were trying to "maintain realistic expectations" about the Chiefs, you failed spectacularly. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There's a difference between "trashing" a team and trying to maintain realistic expectations about a team. If you were trying to "maintain realistic expectations" about the Chiefs, you failed spectacularly. It’s just a higher standard. |
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Posted: 2/16/2023 9:14:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You say bizarre, I say fucking awesome. I have come here for the last 20 plus years for entertainment, and that was entertaining. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That was kind of bizarre. People were casually discussing what they thought the Packers and Rodgers should do for next season and then he had a full on meltdown. You say bizarre, I say fucking awesome. I have come here for the last 20 plus years for entertainment, and that was entertaining. Yeah, dude just lost his mind over innocuous comments. I went back and reread to see if I missed something… nope As to BassGasm, meh, he’s a fan and he was trying to be realistic. If I lived in DFW and the Cowboys won a SuperBowl (  ) I would be at the celebration. Id be telling everyone how I didn’t think they had a chance, but managed to win it all. I understand that mindset completely.
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Posted: 2/16/2023 10:39:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: HUGE NEWS!!! Mark Davis... the guy with the shittiest haircut in the world.... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/219476/560ea56c9dd7cc1c008becd4-2712837.jpg Is now bald.... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/219476/Mark-Davis-new-look-1-1-2712835.jpg So from Three Stooges Moe to sickly Lex Luther. |
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Posted: 2/16/2023 10:48:01 AM EDT
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I found the video of Bass hugging Kelce at :14 in
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Posted: 2/16/2023 10:52:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There's always next year Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: That was kind of bizarre. People were casually discussing what they thought the Packers and Rodgers should do for next season and then he had a full on meltdown. There's a meltdown every season. This time it wasn't me Try again. We're Bills fans, we're used to that saying
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Posted: 2/16/2023 11:02:44 AM EDT
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lol on Kelce podcast: can an average person get 1 yard on a rushing attempt?
id say hell no on a goal line situation |
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Posted: 2/16/2023 11:03:18 AM EDT
[#46]
So should we talk about how Mahomes even said he doesn’t even know what a rebuild is?
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Posted: 2/16/2023 11:03:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you said you didn't think the Chiefs would win the Super Bowl that would be one thing. However, to claim the odds on favorite to win the Super Bowl heading into the postseason isn't even a contender to win the Super Bowl is, IMO, most definitely not realistic. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: My view for the day: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/257918/D8C6C097-ABB3-4903-8141-31719AE1F807-2712400.jpg After a World Series and two Super Bowls, it feels like these are getting smoother. I’m pretty sure turnout was better this year than after SB LIV. So after spending the vast majority of the season trashing the Chiefs as not even being contenders, you go to the Super Bowl victory celebration. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miQm1lcsCSkThere's a difference between "trashing" a team and trying to maintain realistic expectations about a team. The Chiefs defense was a bottom-10ish unit for the first half the season or so, and most of their statistical improvements after that came against bad teams. Rooting and cheering for a unit like that is one thing. Trusting and having confidence in them is something else. Realistic expectations? Dude, come off it. The Chiefs were THE favorites to win the Super Bowl heading into the postseason; meanwhile you were claiming they weren't even contenders. Yes... realistic expectations. I consider a good defense to be a prerequisite for a feasible Super Bowl run. By most metrics, Chiefs didn't have that. If you said you didn't think the Chiefs would win the Super Bowl that would be one thing. However, to claim the odds on favorite to win the Super Bowl heading into the postseason isn't even a contender to win the Super Bowl is, IMO, most definitely not realistic. Are you incapable of formulating a discussion on this topic that doesn't rely exclusively on Vegas? |
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Posted: 2/16/2023 11:06:15 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/16/2023 11:09:54 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If you were trying to "maintain realistic expectations" about the Chiefs, you failed spectacularly. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There's a difference between "trashing" a team and trying to maintain realistic expectations about a team. If you were trying to "maintain realistic expectations" about the Chiefs, you failed spectacularly. Somehow, we apparently went from "defense wins championships" to "defense doesn't matter." I must have missed that memo. The Chiefs defense finished at #16 in points per game. The Chiefs allowed a NFL record 35 points in their Super Bowl win. Setting league records for winning with bad defensive play. Totally realistic. I should have seen that coming. |
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Posted: 2/16/2023 11:13:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you incapable of formulating a discussion on this topic that doesn't rely exclusively on Vegas? Do you know how Vegas works? Who is more likely to be correct - A. Guys that careers depend on the odds B. Guys that spend an entire offseason coming up with hot takes so they get clicks? |
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