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Posted: 7/20/2022 9:22:28 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted:Your post was about shitting on something you dislike and for an agenda, in a thread about about getting others to do a drill. And a fudd wants your rights to carry and your weapons gone, this has absolutely zero to do with anything remotely close to being a fudd. Quote HistoryQuoted:Your post was about shitting on something you dislike and for an agenda, in a thread about about getting others to do a drill. And a fudd wants your rights to carry and your weapons gone, this has absolutely zero to do with anything remotely close to being a fudd. I love my 1911s, but there is no reason to carry one anymore. The 9 vs 45 debate has been settled with bullet tech and the past two years have driven home the value of higher capacity guns. That's "shitting on someone?" Quoted:"We" meaning YOU, do not get it. I don't carry 1911's, any .38 snub, or a Garand rifle. I never ionce said a thing about peaking with technology either. Lol, you don't have any idea what you're talking about.  Attached FileI'm done with you. Try decaf. |
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Posted: 7/20/2022 9:25:07 AM EST
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Let’s remember the size target we need…https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/179056/8EE184B0-D2E3-4A83-8E35-AE5D42B23A9B_jpe-2459695.JPG We can just hang B27's sideways. |
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Posted: 7/20/2022 9:27:45 AM EST
[#3]
I will be at the range this afternoon and will give it a shot.
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Posted: 7/20/2022 9:28:36 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's "shitting on someone?" I'm done with you. Try decaf Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Your post was about shitting on something you dislike and for an agenda, in a thread about about getting others to do a drill. And a fudd wants your rights to carry and your weapons gone, this has absolutely zero to do with anything remotely close to being a fudd. I love my 1911s, but there is no reason to carry one anymore. The 9 vs 45 debate has been settled with bullet tech and the past two years have driven home the value of higher capacity guns. That's "shitting on someone?" I'm done with you. Try decaf Yep, you did. Quoted: I don't have a 40yd range but can do at 50 yards. I carry a full size 1911 so 10 shots with a mag change in 15 seconds is not alot of time. That was the one you were directing your comment at, don't play fuck fuck because you'll only be called on it. And you were done before you even started. This was about doing the drill and parameters for it, you decided differently. It's definitely you that needs the decaf because it's about running your carry gun at a new drill, not running your mouth at what another carries that you dislike. |
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Posted: 7/20/2022 9:29:38 AM EST
[#5]
yay another cool thread getting derailed by purse swingers
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Posted: 7/20/2022 9:30:24 AM EST
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/33962/9nohQh4_jpg-2459699.JPG I'm done with you. Try decaf. You definitely need decaf, good projecting bro. |
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Posted: 7/20/2022 9:30:53 AM EST
[#7]
@finslayer83 sounds like we have a drill for tomorrow
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Posted: 7/20/2022 9:33:47 AM EST
[#8]
Not worth it.
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Posted: 7/20/2022 9:35:02 AM EST
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Gen X man size or the new girly man of today? The Shooter was girly-man-sized. Drill should reflect that. |
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Posted: 7/20/2022 9:35:42 AM EST
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't have a 40yd range but can do at 50 yards. I carry a full size 1911 so 10 shots with a mag change in 15 seconds is not alot of time. avatar does not match |
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Posted: 7/20/2022 9:37:17 AM EST
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't have a 40yd range but can do at 50 yards. I carry a full size 1911 so 10 shots with a mag change in 15 seconds is not alot of time. Carrying an antique has its downsides. |
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Posted: 7/20/2022 9:37:23 AM EST
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The Shooter was girly-man-sized. Drill should reflect that. ok. we stick a broom handle in the dirt at 40 yards, 10 shots, 8 must hit... in 15 seconds. IN  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/20/2022 9:37:46 AM EST
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: no, the scumbag was in the bathroom for over an hour preparing himself to murder innocent people. Eli was at a cookie stand with his girlfriend getting a cookie when fate called him. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I believe he was in the bathroom when the scumbag started shooting innocent people. no, the scumbag was in the bathroom for over an hour preparing himself to murder innocent people. Eli was at a cookie stand with his girlfriend getting a cookie when fate called him. Free cookies for life. A literal moon landing level of ass kicking proficiency. Fate called and a badass answered. |
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Posted: 7/20/2022 9:38:40 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 9mm 1911 >>>> 45 acp 1911 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 8+1 is plenty to get your 8 hits. You only can miss once but 1911s have great triggers and are pretty accurate. Assuming it is in the correct caliber 9mm 1911 >>>> 45 acp 1911 9mm 2011 >>>> 9mm 1911 |
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Posted: 7/20/2022 9:38:45 AM EST
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Free cookies for life. A literal moon landing level of ass kicking proficiency. Fate called and a badass answered. Very appropriate if it was Great American. |
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Posted: 7/20/2022 9:39:58 AM EST
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Carrying an antique has its downsides. It's an antique? |
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Posted: 7/20/2022 9:40:40 AM EST
[#17]
With it being pretty far, why wouldn’t this be called the Deep Dicken Drill? Triple D Drill?
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Posted: 7/20/2022 9:40:45 AM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The Shooter was girly-man-sized. Drill should reflect that. True. Stick boy. |
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Posted: 7/20/2022 9:41:20 AM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: ok. we stick a broom handle in the dirt at 40 yards, 10 shots, 8 must hit... in 15 seconds. IN /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/l6I8mJU__1_-92.gif Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The Shooter was girly-man-sized. Drill should reflect that. ok. we stick a broom handle in the dirt at 40 yards, 10 shots, 8 must hit... in 15 seconds. IN /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/l6I8mJU__1_-92.gif a 4 x4 would be legit. |
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Posted: 7/20/2022 9:45:24 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Carrying an antique has its downsides. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don't have a 40yd range but can do at 50 yards. I carry a full size 1911 so 10 shots with a mag change in 15 seconds is not alot of time. Carrying an antique has its downsides. Not if he gets his hits with the first 8 |
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Posted: 7/20/2022 9:49:21 AM EST
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Too many questions about this whole thing... I can't image our guy firing 10 rounds from 40 yards at an adult male who was probably moving (and certainly reacting to being shot at and/or getting hit), and landing 8 hits in a reported 15 seconds. I know what I can do at 25 yards on a stationary target at 25 yards with various handguns (14 years of LE + extra training), that in itself isn't easy... but at a (probable) moving target from 40 yards? Handgun sights pretty much block out the target at that range.
Were all shots fired at 40 yards? Were any shots fired at the perp while he was motionless on the ground? I really wish there was video of this. Don't get me wrong, kudos to our guy. He did well and ultimately saved lives I just question some of the hoopla surrounding the "facts" communicated by the PD and media. |
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Posted: 7/20/2022 9:54:57 AM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Too many questions about this whole thing... I can't image our guy firing 10 rounds from 40 yards at an adult male who was probably moving (and certainly reacting to being shot at and/or getting hit), and landing 8 hits in a reported 15 seconds. I know what I can do at 25 yards on a stationary target at 25 yards with various handguns (14 years of LE + extra training), that in itself isn't easy... but at a (probable) moving target from 40 yards? Handgun sights pretty much block out the target at that range. Were all shots fired at 40 yards? Were any shots fired at the perp while he was motionless on the ground? I really wish there was video of this. Don't get me wrong, kudos to our guy. He did well and ultimately saved lives I just question some of the hoopla surrounding the "facts" communicated by the PD and media. This kid's a prodigy.  The Untouchables (1987) Recruiting |
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Posted: 7/20/2022 9:57:10 AM EST
[#23]
If you do it like Eli, its 10 rounds, 8 hits, standing and supported against a pillar, at 40 yards.
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Posted: 7/20/2022 10:03:14 AM EST
[#24]
Apparently he started with a right hand barricade against a pole, collum, ? making a couple or more hits from the reported 40 yards and then transitioned to moving forward toward the shooter and firing as he slow walked directly at him.
Continued to make sure the threat was naturalized as he advanced. Focused… Can’t wait for the video. Must be one. |
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Posted: 7/20/2022 10:11:08 AM EST
[#25]
Chief said at the press conference there was one and they weren’t going to release it. That’s what they got the time hacks off of for the amount time from when he came out and started firing to when Eli engaged.
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Posted: 7/20/2022 10:12:19 AM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Too many questions about this whole thing... I can't image our guy firing 10 rounds from 40 yards at an adult male who was probably moving (and certainly reacting to being shot at and/or getting hit), and landing 8 hits in a reported 15 seconds. I know what I can do at 25 yards on a stationary target at 25 yards with various handguns (14 years of LE + extra training), that in itself isn't easy... but at a (probable) moving target from 40 yards? Handgun sights pretty much block out the target at that range. Were all shots fired at 40 yards? Were any shots fired at the perp while he was motionless on the ground? I really wish there was video of this. Don't get me wrong, kudos to our guy. He did well and ultimately saved lives I just question some of the hoopla surrounding the "facts" communicated by the PD and media. There are some people who are preternaturally good at shooting. I knew one guy that could just shoot, didn't matter the gun. I asked him about it and he just shrugged and said that he'd been able to do it ever since the first time he picked up a pistol. He wasn't particularly into guns, wasn't "tactical", didn't shoot in competition, but he could just shoot - the scenario above would have been a walk in the park for him. Sadly, I was passed over when this shooting gift was given. |
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Posted: 7/20/2022 10:12:24 AM EST
[#27]
15 seconds to get into position and take first shot.
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Posted: 7/20/2022 10:13:44 AM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Apparently he started with a right hand barricade against a pole, collum, ? making a couple or more hits from the reported 40 yards and then transitioned to moving forward toward the shooter and firing as he slow walked directly at him. Continued to make sure the threat was naturalized as he advanced. Focused… Can’t wait for the video. Must be one. Want to deter mass shooters? Show one getting his ass handed to him in seconds flat. |
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Posted: 7/20/2022 10:18:25 AM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Add Jack Wilson (not that he looks like someone you'd underestimate). 1 round, head shot, running target, crowded church. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Another lesson in these events is to never underestimate your opponents. You do so at your own peril. Here are three underwhelming people who rose to the occasion and took it to their enemies. Proved their badassery for sure. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/332293/FFE8A8BD-BDA0-4268-8E13-00D4170FC839_jpe-2459629.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/332293/C49A42A0-7A47-4952-9CC4-CEB5F42A30A7_jpe-2459630.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/332293/6D303E0E-79A7-4ECB-9766-11E6B20DBE29_jpe-2459631.JPG Add Jack Wilson (not that he looks like someone you'd underestimate). 1 round, head shot, running target, crowded church. Don't forget these fellows. One of them was woken from a nap by his daughter, ran barefoot toward gunfire while loading his AR mag, engaged the shooter deliberately aiming for gaps in his body armor. When the shooter fled in a vehicle, the other fellow picked up the barefoot hero and they chased the shitbag down country roads with only 2 rounds left.  |
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Posted: 7/20/2022 10:27:03 AM EST
[#30]
CCW pistols laugh at exercise.
 @amped Let's try it
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Posted: 7/20/2022 10:31:33 AM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: does shooting yourself count as a hit? no that's a disqualifier |
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Posted: 7/20/2022 10:37:20 AM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That was humor? You definitely need decaf, good projecting bro. Yeah, we know your track record with not being able to take a joke. You're the one that needs the decaf, and probably a break from the internet. Last time I had a group at the outdoor range, we shot at my steel from 75-85 yards or so, granted we were using full size pistols, most of which had red dots. Its BC size MGM steel, not terribly hard to do, but the only people doing the firing were us. Supported, unsupported, within 15 seconds or starting to engage at 15 seconds, he was the right person for the job and an 80% hit rate is fantastic work. Hopefully people get past 25 yards and use this as a training point. |
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Posted: 7/20/2022 10:38:03 AM EST
[#33]
similar may have been posted and i'm posting in both big threads, trying to get slightly scientific with some distance. This is 160ft from one end of the measuring "tape" to the bathrooms.
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Posted: 7/20/2022 10:38:38 AM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 15 seconds to get into position and take first shot. If Skinny McFuckstick tried to retreat back to the restroom under fire I assume it went down relatively quickly, unless he got himself funneled in the doorway or hallway and had zero cover. |
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Posted: 7/20/2022 10:39:54 AM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Man sized? Yeah like Polly sez..  PJ Harvey - Man-Size |
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Posted: 7/20/2022 10:40:59 AM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: similar may have been posted and i'm posting in both big threads, trying to get slightly scientific with some distance. This is 160ft from one end of the measuring "tape" to the bathrooms. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/168726/gw_JPG-2459755.JPG Does that start at a support column? Thanks. |
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Posted: 7/20/2022 10:43:49 AM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Too many questions about this whole thing... I can't image our guy firing 10 rounds from 40 yards at an adult male who was probably moving (and certainly reacting to being shot at and/or getting hit), and landing 8 hits in a reported 15 seconds. I know what I can do at 25 yards on a stationary target at 25 yards with various handguns (14 years of LE + extra training), that in itself isn't easy... but at a (probable) moving target from 40 yards? Handgun sights pretty much block out the target at that range. Were all shots fired at 40 yards? Were any shots fired at the perp while he was motionless on the ground? I really wish there was video of this. Don't get me wrong, kudos to our guy. He did well and ultimately saved lives I just question some of the hoopla surrounding the "facts" communicated by the PD and media. Good news is, given the location, there is almost certainly video of it. So hopefully we will all get to see it, and learn from it. |
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Posted: 7/20/2022 10:47:08 AM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: CCW pistols laugh at exercise. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/164007/6684DF9D-B066-4050-91DC-A0C4D8188493-2416190.jpg @amped Let's try it @finslayer83 bring them bicthes. After last week we realized the 3 of us have some work to do
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Posted: 7/20/2022 10:56:03 AM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This would be a badass competition. Stage one is the Eli drill. Stage two is the Jack Wilson (six seconds, start with pistol at low ready, head sized target, single shot). Stage three is the Kyle. In between stages, there's the Uvalde break period. You have to stand around for a total of 77 minutes (broken down however you see fit, since there is no competent incident commander to tell you otherwise). You must a) download a new Punisher wallpaper, b) get a sick new Sheepdog tattoo, and c) handcuff an old lady who isn't wearing a mask. The COLA crew needs to make this happen. Holy hell! |
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Posted: 7/20/2022 10:56:28 AM EST
[#40]
Knock off the name calling and petty arguments. Just because it's minor doesn't mean you can't get a warning or ban for it. -AJE
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Posted: 7/20/2022 11:06:19 AM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There again, no "we" here. Drink your decaf because folks like you are turning a good idea for a drill into a dick, chill the fuck out already and do as you suggested yourself first because if you can't do it by example then your words mean nothing, plus I don't touch caffeine at all. Last time you what? You told a tale, good for for you. It all means absolutely nothing to me. Hey captain obvious, he was already the right person for the job otherwise we wouldn't have been talking about it. Chill out, relax, and realize that this is a great opportunity to get people out and do a drill instead of taking it too seriously like you're doing right now, start sipping that decaf and log off so people can continue discussing it. Holy shit 
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Posted: 7/20/2022 11:08:08 AM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Holy shit Bless your trolling heart. |
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Posted: 7/20/2022 11:10:14 AM EST
[#43]
Tag for the weekend. I'll try it and post up. I shoot out to 50 a lot and further occasionally. Never for time though.
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Posted: 7/20/2022 11:14:05 AM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Chief said at the press conference there was one and they weren’t going to release it. That’s what they got the time hacks off of for the amount time from when he came out and started firing to when Eli engaged. I still feel eventually it will come out. The PD won't be the only ones with a copy. @lawyerup is there eventually a way to compel a video like this to be released via FOIA or other means? It really should be circulated. |
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Posted: 7/20/2022 11:17:24 AM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Holy shit Good ol' Johny Loctite, master of getting threads locked, a gem of ARF. |
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Posted: 7/20/2022 11:21:47 AM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fate called and a badass answered. Fate whispered to the man, "you cannot handle the storm." Eli whispered back, "I am the storm." |
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Posted: 7/20/2022 11:33:31 AM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There again, no "we" here. Drink your decaf because folks like you are turning a good idea for a drill into a dick, chill the fuck out already and do as you suggested yourself first because if you can't do it by example then your words mean nothing, plus I don't touch caffeine at all. Last time you what? You told a tale, good for for you. It all means absolutely nothing to me. Hey captain obvious, he was already the right person for the job otherwise we wouldn't have been talking about it. Chill out, relax, and realize that this is a great opportunity to get people out and do a drill instead of taking it too seriously like you're doing right now, start sipping that decaf and log off so people can continue discussing it. There is a we....you've become pretty well known for strolling into threads with the sole intent of being butthurt....you can reference basically any MRDS thread for evidence. The username may have changed but the posting habits haven't. |
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Posted: 7/20/2022 11:38:27 AM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why the eli? Name of the guy that stopped the Indians mall shooter from 40 yards away with glock 9mm |
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Posted: 7/20/2022 11:45:49 AM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If you do it like Eli, its 10 rounds, 8 hits, standing and supported against a pillar, at 40 yards. There was a thread recently about Isosoles vs. Weaver. Weaver-like arrangements are much more useful when shooting from supported positions than Isosoles. |
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Posted: 7/20/2022 11:48:52 AM EST
[#50]
In case you want to decorate your range with signs:
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