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Posted: 9/3/2022 10:52:18 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/3/2022 10:55:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So with cost-plus contracts, you have to ride the contractor's ass with experienced personnel watching every move to ensure they're not billing you for a gold-plated rocket. Most government offices do not have such experienced personnel, or can be ground down into accepting such bills, or the contractor has much better lawyers, so the contractor can charge more than performance should actually cost. With fixed-price contracts, the contractor bids for two gold-plated rockets because that's all the money they're ever going to get and they must worry about every little risk that might occur during the entire contract. So they absolutely are going to charge you out the ass on a fixed price contract, but you know up front how much they're going to rape you. But the government doing it in-house? Never going to happen. The shuttles were built by Rockwell, Thiokol the boosters, etc. Apollo was subbed out to Boeing, McDonnell, Northrop, Grumman, Douglas, etc for different parts. Grumman famously sent Rockwell a bill for towing the Apollo 13 capsule home with the LEM. My best friend is a guy who was one of those experienced personnel. A rather curmudgeonly fellow who can and does talk for hours about various stunts and tricks that contractors pulled to pad their bills. He's pretty sure that someone put a hit out on him at least once.  As for the government doing it 'in house.' Yeah, no. That ain't gonna happen. Trouble is that with most of these big contractors the line where government ends and private industry begins can get awfully fuzzy. Especially with all the people who cycle between government and these mega corporations. |
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Posted: 9/3/2022 10:57:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This just showed up, took 10 days to get here. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/279984/20220903_104116_jpg-2512772.JPG  Best part is it's still relevant as it's rollin' back to the VAB again.
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Posted: 9/3/2022 10:59:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Best part is it's still relevant as it's rollin' back to the VAB again. I'm a crawler fan anyways. |
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Posted: 9/3/2022 11:00:17 AM EDT
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Sounding like a scrub is imminent.
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Posted: 9/3/2022 11:00:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm a crawler fan anyways. |
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Posted: 9/3/2022 11:03:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This just showed up, took 10 days to get here. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/279984/20220903_104116_jpg-2512772.JPG Five bucks says it leaks. |
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Posted: 9/3/2022 11:04:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Five bucks says it leaks. 
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Posted: 9/3/2022 11:10:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Five bucks says it leaks. PM me for my address. |
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Posted: 9/3/2022 11:11:36 AM EDT
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Have they tried wrapping it in duct tape? Usually works for most leaks.
I swear they’re just doing this now so there’s not a crowd around when the thing spontaneously disassembles itself. |
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Posted: 9/3/2022 11:19:18 AM EDT
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SCRUBBED
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Posted: 9/3/2022 11:19:35 AM EDT
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 SCRUB: Artemis 1 SLS launch delayed by hydrogen leak [4K UHD] |
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Posted: 9/3/2022 11:19:45 AM EDT
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Scrubbed.
Road ragers are going to be an issue today. |
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Posted: 9/3/2022 11:20:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Have they tried wrapping it in duct tape? Usually works for most leaks.  |
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Posted: 9/3/2022 11:23:48 AM EDT
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Imagine fucking up this badly with mostly re used already proven parts lol
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Posted: 9/3/2022 11:26:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: SCRUBBED 
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Posted: 9/3/2022 11:32:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Imagine fucking up this badly with mostly re used already proven parts lol Sounds like problem with "Tail Service Mast", must be part of the billion dollar mobile tower debacle/money pit |
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Posted: 9/3/2022 11:33:54 AM EDT
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So the contractors will get paid again for fixing the leak they created?
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Posted: 9/3/2022 11:38:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So the contractors will get paid again for fixing the leak they created? 
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Posted: 9/3/2022 11:38:45 AM EDT
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Bring back liquid oxygen and kerosene !
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Posted: 9/3/2022 11:40:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Scrubbed. Road ragers are going to be an issue today. Stay off I-4 for the next several hours!! |
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Posted: 9/3/2022 11:42:05 AM EDT
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Imagine all the people who made plans and flew out to FL to watch this thing leak for Labor Day weekend...
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Posted: 9/3/2022 11:42:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bring back liquid oxygen and kerosene ! Nah, methane and liquid oxygen is better. Doesn't need to be chilled to the insanely cold temperatures that hydrogen demands. |
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Posted: 9/3/2022 11:43:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Imagine all the people who made plans and flew out to FL to watch this thing leak for Labor Day weekend... That should teach them not to rely on the Government! |
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Posted: 9/3/2022 11:44:28 AM EDT
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Space
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Posted: 9/3/2022 11:45:36 AM EDT
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Is this the same leak they had last time?
SpaceX should just launch Starship today for the hell of it. |
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Posted: 9/3/2022 11:46:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Imagine all the people who made plans and flew out to FL to watch this thing leak for Labor Day weekend... I've long been of the opinion that the participation of people watching is a very important thing for space flight. It can be abbrievated to the famous phrase, "no bucks, no Buck Rogers." But I think there's more to it than just that. A lot of people are going to be very upset about all this. Reminds me of a scene in a documentary where they reenacted a test of the V-1 flying bomb that blew up on the test stand with Adolf Hitler watching. Der Führer looked very disappointed.
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Posted: 9/3/2022 11:47:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Space |
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Posted: 9/3/2022 11:48:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Stay off I-4 for the next several hours!! B line, 520, US1 and A1A |
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Posted: 9/3/2022 11:50:35 AM EDT
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The $4.5 Billion dollar non-reusable cost per launch is ridiculous but
I had no idea this boondoggle actually has a $93 billion dollar and growing overall cost. https://www.foxnews.com/us/moon-launch-americans-weigh-nasa-artemis-space-program-worth-cost |
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Posted: 9/3/2022 11:52:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is this the same leak they had last time? SpaceX should just launch Starship today for the hell of it. Different leak. |
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Posted: 9/3/2022 11:58:00 AM EDT
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This is unsurprising at this point.
What’s been going on with SpaceX and it’s big two stage rocket? Are they being held by by the FAA/federal govt? Or have they got other internal tech issues keeping them from a launch. It seems like it’s been what, a year since their last test launch? |
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Posted: 9/3/2022 11:58:21 AM EDT
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Did STS-1 experience this many problems and delays?
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Posted: 9/3/2022 11:58:24 AM EDT
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Look on the bright side, maybe VP Harris had to waste another trip to FLA today.
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Posted: 9/3/2022 12:00:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did STS-1 experience this many problems and delays? 1 scrub due to computer issue. patched then launched a couple of days later. |
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Posted: 9/3/2022 12:01:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 1 scrub due to computer issue. patched then launched a couple of days later. That is impressive, if you think about it. |
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Posted: 9/3/2022 12:02:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is unsurprising at this point. What’s been going on with SpaceX and it’s big two stage rocket? Are they being held by by the FAA/federal govt? Or have they got other internal tech issues keeping them from a launch. It seems like it’s been what, a year since their last test launch? The Govt has been dragging their feet over the past two years with bullshit requirements like ocelot crossings, Civil war learning centers and signage, around 75 requirements of crap called a programmatic environmental assessment. No launch license in Texas until Spacex meets all those requirements. There have not been ocelots in that part of Texas for decades. I kid you not, ocelot crossings. The Govt wants the SLS to launch first no matter what. Here is the 183 pages of bullshit requirements Spacex must meet first. https://www.faa.gov/sites/faa.gov/files/2022-06/PEA_for_SpaceX_Starship_Super_Heavy_at_Boca_Chica_FINAL.pdf Spacex is building a Starship launch pad at KSC, at amazing speed to add another possibility for launch soon. |
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Posted: 9/3/2022 12:02:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is unsurprising at this point. What’s been going on with SpaceX and it’s big two stage rocket? Are they being held by by the FAA/federal govt? Or have they got other internal tech issues keeping them from a launch. It seems like it’s been what, a year since their last test launch? Things are progressing at Boca Chica. There has been a lot of talk of FAA meddling but quite frankly they needed to build several metric fucktons worth of infrastructure there to support a launch and they still have a way left to go.  SpaceX Starship Static Fire, NASA Artemis 1 Launch Rundown, Starlink Launches and Legal Battle Win The latest news is that they appear to be working on Starship prototypes sans heat tiles. Perhaps this is for disposable launchers sending up batches of V2 Starlinks. Perhaps it's work on the Lunar Lander variant. |
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Posted: 9/3/2022 12:04:06 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/3/2022 12:09:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryTo me Hydrogen propulsion is like a titanium submarine. Great idea in theory. In real life there are always issues.  I was talking to a rather knowledgable friend of mine about hydrogen fuel cells recently. He said they might be viable for long haul trucking. But not much else. Trying to power a whole civilization with hydrogen seems very expensive and potentially quite dangerous. Hydrogen burns with an invisible flame. I've heard that firefighters trained to fight hydrogen fires have to walk into an area with a broom and see when the broom catches fire. When it does, there's your fire.
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Posted: 9/3/2022 12:14:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/3/2022 12:16:41 PM EDT
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At this point this is a multibillion dollar scam by the contractors (Boeing?).
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Posted: 9/3/2022 12:17:38 PM EDT
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Scary when you figure the cost vs payload numbers..
SLS can launch roughly half its single launch cost to lunar orbit in $100 bills. 27 ton payload vs 49 tons of cash.. It can barely launch its cost in gold to low earth orbit. 95 tons to leo vs 90 tons of gold. That’s just the single launch cost. Add in the development numbers and shit get really scary. |
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Posted: 9/3/2022 12:23:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is unsurprising at this point. What’s been going on with SpaceX and it’s big two stage rocket? Are they being held by by the FAA/federal govt? Or have they got other internal tech issues keeping them from a launch. It seems like it’s been what, a year since their last test launch? Getting ready for orbital flight as fast as possible. Final static fire campaign before orbital flight. Funny enough it might be a photo finish between the two. |
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Posted: 9/3/2022 12:23:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: At this point this is a multibillion dollar scam by the contractors (Boeing?). More than that, a self admitted corporate welfare scam by NASA itself. |
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Posted: 9/3/2022 12:25:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Govt has been dragging their feet over the past two years with bullshit requirements like ocelot crossings, Civil war learning centers and signage, around 75 requirements of crap called a programmatic environmental assessment. No launch license in Texas until Spacex meets all those requirements. There have not been ocelots in that part of Texas for decades. I kid you not, ocelot crossings. The Govt wants the SLS to launch first no matter what. Here is the 183 pages of bullshit requirements Spacex must meet first. https://www.faa.gov/sites/faa.gov/files/2022-06/PEA_for_SpaceX_Starship_Super_Heavy_at_Boca_Chica_FINAL.pdf Spacex is building a Starship launch pad at KSC, at amazing speed to add another possibility for launch soon. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This is unsurprising at this point. What’s been going on with SpaceX and it’s big two stage rocket? Are they being held by by the FAA/federal govt? Or have they got other internal tech issues keeping them from a launch. It seems like it’s been what, a year since their last test launch? The Govt has been dragging their feet over the past two years with bullshit requirements like ocelot crossings, Civil war learning centers and signage, around 75 requirements of crap called a programmatic environmental assessment. No launch license in Texas until Spacex meets all those requirements. There have not been ocelots in that part of Texas for decades. I kid you not, ocelot crossings. The Govt wants the SLS to launch first no matter what. Here is the 183 pages of bullshit requirements Spacex must meet first. https://www.faa.gov/sites/faa.gov/files/2022-06/PEA_for_SpaceX_Starship_Super_Heavy_at_Boca_Chica_FINAL.pdf Spacex is building a Starship launch pad at KSC, at amazing speed to add another possibility for launch soon. Incorrect those requirements are NOT all required to be finished. Some were already done before it was written some are required Within like 2 years. |
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Posted: 9/3/2022 12:30:09 PM EDT
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What would happen if one of the hold-down bolts didn’t blow?
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Posted: 9/3/2022 12:32:13 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/3/2022 12:54:00 PM EDT
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"What would happen if one of the hold-down bolts didn’t blow?"
A scrub at T+1 |
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Posted: 9/3/2022 1:00:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "What would happen if one of the hold-down bolts didn’t blow?" A scrub at T+1 Do the SRB’s light after the hold-downs release? |
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