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Posted: 8/30/2022 7:10:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thread title hasn't aged well.  |
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Posted: 8/30/2022 8:19:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Would still love to see that single engine light. https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-2084cba6481f9db6e17ee383f0f0c2fc You better have a way to get to the South Pacific then. |
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Posted: 8/30/2022 8:33:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: SLS can still only boost 23 tons into space while Apollo in the 1960's could boost 51 tons. Recycled R25's aren't going to get it done if you have to boost 10 times to the space station to drop shit off for ferrying to the moon later.  SLS can at the least move 100 tons to orbit. Early Saturn V could move roughly the same. The biggest issue is the ICPS which will be replaced by EUS. |
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Posted: 8/30/2022 8:46:14 PM EDT
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Finally changed the title, eh?
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Posted: 8/31/2022 4:50:06 AM EDT
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press teleconference about the launch attempt.
 Artemis I update: NASA teleconference on Artemis I launch plans |
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Posted: 8/31/2022 11:50:54 AM EDT
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Not sure if this was mentioned in the press conference, but I read a story today that said NASA now believes it might have been a faculty sensor, and that all of their other data suggested the engine might actually have been at the correct temperature.
So apparently now what they are considering (since they cannot replace the sensor without rolling it back to the VAB), is to basically IGNORE data that tells them not to launch, and just go ahead and launch anyway - based on all of the other data (pressure, flow, etc) which would allow them to infer (extrapolate? interpolate?) that the temperature is different from what the sensor is telling them. That seems risky. ... and also probably demonstrates why they SHOULD have run a full wet dress rehearsal earlier this year, instead of cutting corners like they did. 
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Posted: 8/31/2022 12:33:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not sure if this was mentioned in the press conference, but I read a story today that said NASA now believes it might have been a faculty sensor, and that all of their other data suggested the engine might actually have been at the correct temperature. So apparently now what they are considering (since they cannot replace the sensor without rolling it back to the VAB), is to basically IGNORE data that tells them not to launch, and just go ahead and launch anyway - based on all of the other data (pressure, flow, etc) which would allow them to infer (extrapolate? interpolate?) that the temperature is different from what the sensor is telling them. That seems risky. ... and also probably demonstrates why they SHOULD have run a full wet dress rehearsal earlier this year, instead of cutting corners like they did. 
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Posted: 8/31/2022 12:38:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not sure if this was mentioned in the press conference, but I read a story today that said NASA now believes it might have been a faculty sensor, and that all of their other data suggested the engine might actually have been at the correct temperature. So apparently now what they are considering (since they cannot replace the sensor without rolling it back to the VAB), is to basically IGNORE data that tells them not to launch, and just go ahead and launch anyway - based on all of the other data (pressure, flow, etc) which would allow them to infer (extrapolate? interpolate?) that the temperature is different from what the sensor is telling them. That seems risky. ... and also probably demonstrates why they SHOULD have run a full wet dress rehearsal earlier this year, instead of cutting corners like they did. Taking a page from Starship development? "I think we have a bad sensor on one of the engines." "Eh, screw it. Send it!"
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Posted: 8/31/2022 12:54:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Taking a page from Starship development? "I think we have a bad sensor on one of the engines." "Eh, screw it. Send it!" Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not sure if this was mentioned in the press conference, but I read a story today that said NASA now believes it might have been a faculty sensor, and that all of their other data suggested the engine might actually have been at the correct temperature. So apparently now what they are considering (since they cannot replace the sensor without rolling it back to the VAB), is to basically IGNORE data that tells them not to launch, and just go ahead and launch anyway - based on all of the other data (pressure, flow, etc) which would allow them to infer (extrapolate? interpolate?) that the temperature is different from what the sensor is telling them. That seems risky. ... and also probably demonstrates why they SHOULD have run a full wet dress rehearsal earlier this year, instead of cutting corners like they did. Taking a page from Starship development? "I think we have a bad sensor on one of the engines." "Eh, screw it. Send it!" Yeah, but Starships don't cost $4 Billion per launch. |
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Posted: 8/31/2022 2:15:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: SLS can at the least move 100 tons to orbit. Early Saturn V could move roughly the same. The biggest issue is the ICPS which will be replaced by EUS. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: SLS can still only boost 23 tons into space while Apollo in the 1960's could boost 51 tons. Recycled R25's aren't going to get it done if you have to boost 10 times to the space station to drop shit off for ferrying to the moon later. SLS can at the least move 100 tons to orbit. Early Saturn V could move roughly the same. The biggest issue is the ICPS which will be replaced by EUS. There's a difference between mass to orbit or mass to the moon. I think the Block 1 can do 95t to LEO and 27 to the moon. Block 2 will be 130t and 46t. IIRC the Saturn was 155t and 47t but part of that 155t was the 3rd stage. That's per Wikipedia. So Block 2 SLS will be pretty comparable. Also I think the shuttle technically had over 100t of payload capability, but most of that was taken up by the orbiter itself. |
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Posted: 8/31/2022 3:37:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not sure if this was mentioned in the press conference, but I read a story today that said NASA now believes it might have been a faculty sensor, and that all of their other data suggested the engine might actually have been at the correct temperature. So apparently now what they are considering (since they cannot replace the sensor without rolling it back to the VAB), is to basically IGNORE data that tells them not to launch, and just go ahead and launch anyway - based on all of the other data (pressure, flow, etc) which would allow them to infer (extrapolate? interpolate?) that the temperature is different from what the sensor is telling them. That seems risky. ... and also probably demonstrates why they SHOULD have run a full wet dress rehearsal earlier this year, instead of cutting corners like they did. The information released in the press conference was that target temp was -420f and that E1, E2 and E4 got down to -410 and E3 was at -380. That is 380 degrees below zero. It ain't getting that cold if it's not flowing. |
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Posted: 8/31/2022 6:14:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not sure if this was mentioned in the press conference, but I read a story today that said NASA now believes it might have been a faculty sensor, and that all of their other data suggested the engine might actually have been at the correct temperature. So apparently now what they are considering (since they cannot replace the sensor without rolling it back to the VAB), is to basically IGNORE data that tells them not to launch, and just go ahead and launch anyway - based on all of the other data (pressure, flow, etc) which would allow them to infer (extrapolate? interpolate?) that the temperature is different from what the sensor is telling them. That seems risky. ... and also probably demonstrates why they SHOULD have run a full wet dress rehearsal earlier this year, instead of cutting corners like they did. I'll be honest. I know it's billions of our tax dollars, but I wouldn't mind if this uncrewed version had a RUD. Typically I'd be worried that it would set space travel back, but Starship is happening with or without SLS, so why not give us the fireworks? |
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Posted: 8/31/2022 6:52:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll be honest. I know it's billions of our tax dollars, but I wouldn't mind if this uncrewed version had a RUD. Typically I'd be worried that it would set space travel back, but Starship is happening with or without SLS, so why not give us the fireworks? Because that's not the way that NASA has done business in the past. When a rocket explodes everyone is supposed to stand around with anxious expressions on their face. Not say, "oh well. That's part of the risk of doing business. Onto the next prototype!" 4 Billion bucks worth of rocket going bang is almost certainly going to result in a congressional hearing or 2. |
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Posted: 8/31/2022 9:10:44 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/1/2022 5:01:00 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/1/2022 5:01:52 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/1/2022 5:14:26 PM EDT
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Better chance weather wise for Saturday, the thunderstorms seem to be ramping up more in the later hours of the afternoon. |
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Posted: 9/1/2022 5:30:08 PM EDT
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He was the first one I saw publicly hinting at a scrub on Monday so I'm thinking there's some truth. |
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Posted: 9/1/2022 5:39:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not sure if this was mentioned in the press conference, but I read a story today that said NASA now believes it might have been a faculty sensor, and that all of their other data suggested the engine might actually have been at the correct temperature. So apparently now what they are considering (since they cannot replace the sensor without rolling it back to the VAB), is to basically IGNORE data that tells them not to launch, and just go ahead and launch anyway - based on all of the other data (pressure, flow, etc) which would allow them to infer (extrapolate? interpolate?) that the temperature is different from what the sensor is telling them. That seems risky. ... and also probably demonstrates why they SHOULD have run a full wet dress rehearsal earlier this year, instead of cutting corners like they did. |
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Posted: 9/1/2022 5:39:32 PM EDT
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The FIRST test of all five F-1 Engines in 1965
 The FIRST test of all five F-1 Engines in 1965! |
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Posted: 9/1/2022 5:42:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He was the first one I saw publicly hinting at a scrub on Monday so I'm thinking there's some truth. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted:
He was the first one I saw publicly hinting at a scrub on Monday so I'm thinking there's some truth. |
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Posted: 9/1/2022 7:20:30 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/1/2022 9:02:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They changed the loading procedure from the one used in the Green Run. Further the sensor that was giving them issues was one that WILL NOT be on the operational missions. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not sure if this was mentioned in the press conference, but I read a story today that said NASA now believes it might have been a faculty sensor, and that all of their other data suggested the engine might actually have been at the correct temperature. So apparently now what they are considering (since they cannot replace the sensor without rolling it back to the VAB), is to basically IGNORE data that tells them not to launch, and just go ahead and launch anyway - based on all of the other data (pressure, flow, etc) which would allow them to infer (extrapolate? interpolate?) that the temperature is different from what the sensor is telling them. That seems risky. ... and also probably demonstrates why they SHOULD have run a full wet dress rehearsal earlier this year, instead of cutting corners like they did. "Oh, I am sure it will be fine then. No worries." - possible NASA quote from January 28, 1986
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Posted: 9/1/2022 10:21:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not sure if this was mentioned in the press conference, but I read a story today that said NASA now believes it might have been a faculty sensor, and that all of their other data suggested the engine might actually have been at the correct temperature. So apparently now what they are considering (since they cannot replace the sensor without rolling it back to the VAB), is to basically IGNORE data that tells them not to launch, and just go ahead and launch anyway - based on all of the other data (pressure, flow, etc) which would allow them to infer (extrapolate? interpolate?) that the temperature is different from what the sensor is telling them. That seems risky. ... and also probably demonstrates why they SHOULD have run a full wet dress rehearsal earlier this year, instead of cutting corners like they did. I bet SpaceX would have 2 sensors there if they are that important.
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Posted: 9/1/2022 10:23:08 PM EDT
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Phun Fact
Nasa's Michoud Facility has 4200 employees |
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Posted: 9/1/2022 11:56:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Phun Fact Nasa's Michoud Facility has 4200 employees Does that include all of the FDA people that are occupying all of the office space? |
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Posted: 9/2/2022 2:17:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He also loves recycling his 'Orange Rocket Bad' articles when things dont go the way he wants. Hes a shitty journalist. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted:
He was the first one I saw publicly hinting at a scrub on Monday so I'm thinking there's some truth. ...who's basically one of the most pre-eminent journalist in the entire spaceflight domain. Eric isn't exactly the only one in the room who thinks SLS is a historically epic boondoggle, throwing away taxpayers dollars to produce too little, too late. Half the industry is getting paid by SLS in one form or another, and just can't publicly badmouth it. |
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Posted: 9/2/2022 6:16:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does that include all of the FDA people that are occupying all of the office space? Ouch !!! LOL |
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Posted: 9/2/2022 6:24:38 AM EDT
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Local news on at 6 last night stating to expect 400,000 people to flock here tomorrow for the launch attempt. They 'estimated' that the number of people that showed up for the Monday attempt was 150,000.
It took 6 hours to clear everybody out on Monday. I think they will light the candle on time tomorrow and I'll be watching and recording it from home. |
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Posted: 9/2/2022 6:38:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ...who's basically one of the most pre-eminent journalist in the entire spaceflight domain. Eric isn't exactly the only one in the room who thinks SLS is a historically epic boondoggle, throwing away taxpayers dollars to produce too little, too late. Half the industry is getting paid by SLS in one form or another, and just can't publicly badmouth it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted:
He was the first one I saw publicly hinting at a scrub on Monday so I'm thinking there's some truth. ...who's basically one of the most pre-eminent journalist in the entire spaceflight domain. Eric isn't exactly the only one in the room who thinks SLS is a historically epic boondoggle, throwing away taxpayers dollars to produce too little, too late. Half the industry is getting paid by SLS in one form or another, and just can't publicly badmouth it. The guy us an opinionated asshole that uses his pedestal to drum up the hate. Perfect example is the tweet from him posted further up the page. He couldn't have been further from the truth. MMT saw through his stupid gotcha questions last night. |
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Posted: 9/2/2022 8:05:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The guy us an opinionated asshole that uses his pedestal to drum up the hate. Perfect example is the tweet from him posted further up the page. He couldn't have been further from the truth. MMT saw through his stupid gotcha questions last night. He’s the only one who said Artemis 1 wouldn’t be till the end of summer. NASA and everyone else said he was dumb. |
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Posted: 9/2/2022 8:23:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He's the only one who said Artemis 1 wouldn't be till the end of summer. NASA and everyone else said he was dumb. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The guy us an opinionated asshole that uses his pedestal to drum up the hate. Perfect example is the tweet from him posted further up the page. He couldn't have been further from the truth. MMT saw through his stupid gotcha questions last night. He's the only one who said Artemis 1 wouldn't be till the end of summer. NASA and everyone else said he was dumb. . I think the original launch date was 2018.
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Posted: 9/2/2022 8:50:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He’s the only one who said Artemis 1 wouldn’t be till the end of summer. NASA and everyone else said he was dumb. Ya, so? When he's wrong do you see anyone calling him out on it? It's all for the immediate reaction. His tweets last night posted above is an example he just throws shit at the wall. Eta He likes what I like and he doesn't like what I don't like doesn't make someone a good journalist. |
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Posted: 9/2/2022 9:13:18 AM EDT
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My kid is at Embry -Riddle- Daytona Beach and he'll be heading down for the launch. I wish I could have seen it with him last week but as long as he experiences it up close I'm sure it'll go a long way to keep him motivated for school
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Posted: 9/2/2022 9:35:24 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/2/2022 10:05:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ... Eta He likes what I like and he doesn't like what I don't like doesn't make someone a good journalist. Sadly that's what "journalism" is turning into these days. People no longer want news and facts, they just want to hear "journalists" who agree with them, and have the same opinions and beliefs as them. It's been a growing trend now for about 20 years, and it has gotten MUCH worse over the past five or six years, IMO. 
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Posted: 9/2/2022 10:21:39 AM EDT
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I've posted this before. The inflection point was the CBS show 60 Minutes. That's when the network bean counters realized "news" could be a profit center and not a cost center.
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Posted: 9/2/2022 12:25:02 PM EDT
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 The Ultimate Saturn V Launch Video with INCREDIBLE SOUND!!! |
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Posted: 9/2/2022 8:01:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sadly that's what "journalism" is turning into these days. People no longer want news and facts, they just want to hear "journalists" who agree with them, and have the same opinions and beliefs as them. It's been a growing trend now for about 20 years, and it has gotten MUCH worse over the past five or six years, IMO. Who told you that? CNN?  I want the facts, just the facts. |
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Posted: 9/3/2022 9:12:08 AM EDT
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everyday astronaut and Nasaspaceflight stream are up.
NSF steam  SCRUB: NASA Scrubs Launch of Artemis I to the Moon Aboard SLS Definitely going to space today bruh’s. Definitely probably. |
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Posted: 9/3/2022 9:37:46 AM EDT
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more hydrogen leak issues
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Posted: 9/3/2022 9:41:11 AM EDT
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In for another moist dress rehearsal…
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Posted: 9/3/2022 9:43:55 AM EDT
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Hit the explosive charges, that will fix all the problems with Artemi$.
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Posted: 9/3/2022 9:43:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've posted this before. The inflection point was the CBS show 60 Minutes. That's when the network bean counters realized "news" could be a profit center and not a cost center. I saw the PBS Newshour do some reporting on SLS the other day. A news organization heavily biased towards big government solutions to everything and they seemed very critical of SLS and cost plus contracts in general. I believe the words 'gold plated rocket' were said at some point. Sounds like they wanted to say, 'gold plated piece of crap.'  Years late and billions over budget, NASA’s most powerful rocket finally set for takeoff The gold plated line and some comments about natural selection come in the last 22 seconds of this. Bill Nelson seems to have all the right connections. He really comes across as a guy I would barely trust to run an ice cream truck. Never mind NASA! |
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Posted: 9/3/2022 9:45:56 AM EDT
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 SCRUB: Artemis 1 SLS launch delayed by hydrogen leak [4K UHD] |
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Posted: 9/3/2022 9:50:13 AM EDT
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SCRUB: NASA Scrubs Launch of Artemis I to the Moon Aboard SLS |
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Posted: 9/3/2022 10:08:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I saw the PBS Newshour do some reporting on SLS the other day. A news organization heavily biased towards big government solutions to everything and they seemed very critical of SLS and cost plus contracts in general. I believe the words 'gold plated rocket' were said at some point. Sounds like they wanted to say, 'gold plated piece of crap.' Bill Nelson seems to have all the right connections. He really comes across as a guy I would barely trust to run an ice cream truck. Never mind NASA! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I've posted this before. The inflection point was the CBS show 60 Minutes. That's when the network bean counters realized "news" could be a profit center and not a cost center. I saw the PBS Newshour do some reporting on SLS the other day. A news organization heavily biased towards big government solutions to everything and they seemed very critical of SLS and cost plus contracts in general. I believe the words 'gold plated rocket' were said at some point. Sounds like they wanted to say, 'gold plated piece of crap.' Bill Nelson seems to have all the right connections. He really comes across as a guy I would barely trust to run an ice cream truck. Never mind NASA! So with cost-plus contracts, you have to ride the contractor's ass with experienced personnel watching every move to ensure they're not billing you for a gold-plated rocket. Most government offices do not have such experienced personnel, or can be ground down into accepting such bills, or the contractor has much better lawyers, so the contractor can charge more than performance should actually cost. With fixed-price contracts, the contractor bids for two gold-plated rockets because that's all the money they're ever going to get and they must worry about every little risk that might occur during the entire contract. So they absolutely are going to charge you out the ass on a fixed price contract, but you know up front how much they're going to rape you. But the government doing it in-house? Never going to happen. The shuttles were built by Rockwell, Thiokol the boosters, etc. Apollo was subbed out to Boeing, McDonnell, Northrop, Grumman, Douglas, etc for different parts. Grumman famously sent Rockwell a bill for towing the Apollo 13 capsule home with the LEM. Kharn |
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Posted: 9/3/2022 10:12:43 AM EDT
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 [SCRUBBED][4K] LIVE 3.5 miles from NASA's most powerful rocket ever going to the moon!!! |
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Posted: 9/3/2022 10:29:26 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/3/2022 10:48:48 AM EDT
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 Attached File4.5 BBBBBBillion Dollars! Wait, that's not funny, That's my money too.  EDIT: Looks like a scrub ! |
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