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Link Posted: 3/31/2021 1:07:48 PM EDT
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It's the same in a lot of the suits:
A lot of women who work from home and travel to locations to conduct the massage.
Almost half the suits are mentioned to be single mothers.
Close to half the women are new to the business (1-3 years).
Many women with no licenses or not even in the massage business, trying to earn money.
Around half the massages took place in hotel rooms or private locations new to the women.
Almost all of them mention Watson being a celebrity and helping grow their business.

Lots of things you can point out that would be things you would look for in soft targets.
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A guy who has access to great licensed masseuses seeks out unlicensed masseuses (or women who weren't even masseuses at all) based on their Instagram pics to give him "massages."  Clearly nothing suspicious there.
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Yeah that's what we've all been speculating.  Clearly, legit MTs aren't going to do anything sexual, but he still had a very specific fetish revolving around "massage turned into more" scenario.  So he figured these women were his best targets.
Link Posted: 3/31/2021 1:08:51 PM EDT
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This made me laugh.



Imagine the shitstorm if something like that happened these days.
Link Posted: 3/31/2021 1:12:36 PM EDT
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Masseuse speaks out on Watson. She dealt with his inappropriate behavior but says she isn't one of Buzbee's clients filing suit.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/03/29/first-hand-story-of-deshaun-watson-inappropriate-behavior-not-in-lawsuit

but fame doesn't create character."

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one of the smartest things I've read on arfcom in a long time ....
Link Posted: 3/31/2021 1:15:41 PM EDT
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This made me laugh.



Imagine the shitstorm if something like that happened these days.
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No one:

Deshaun Watson when someone touches his legs:


Link Posted: 3/31/2021 1:17:33 PM EDT
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Did that player ever explain WTF he was trying to do there?
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Once done with his glutes she tried to continue onto his back, he said no and requested she "penetrate his anus with her fingers" to massage him there. She says she was shocked and confused. Said she could not do that. Watson was aggressive and demanded she stick her fingers into his anus. When she said no again Watson said the massage was done. Paid and left.

https://i.imgur.com/IutVQAJ.jpg

Did that player ever explain WTF he was trying to do there?

That's pretty typical in scrum piles over loose fumbles. groin jabs, eye and neck jabs, you just don't see stuff like that in the open .
Link Posted: 3/31/2021 1:20:03 PM EDT
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No one:

Deshaun when the massage therapist rubs his stomach:


Link Posted: 3/31/2021 1:24:23 PM EDT
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Hardin just released a statement supposedly with 18 female masseuses who say Watson was a good client.

Once again... How many fucking women did he go after for massages?
Once again... Taking the he doesn't sexually assault EVERY WOMAN he meets defense.

"Look, 18 massage therapists he probably didn't assault. Case closed."~Rusty Hardin

I'll try to find the full statement for you guys.

Link Posted: 3/31/2021 1:25:38 PM EDT
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Hey, come on now.  You heard Watson's camp.  The "only" reason he sought out any of those women is because he couldn't see his regular masseuse due to COVID restrictions.
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When you find a good butt hole masseuse you really have to hang on to them, a replacement isn't easy to find.
Link Posted: 3/31/2021 1:27:37 PM EDT
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They just need to head over to Twitter. The latest proof Watson's innocent is the attorney not seeking criminal charges with the HPD currently. The conspiracy that the Texans are doing this to Watson is living strong.

Oh, and ESPN is racist for reporting every new suit, because they wouldn't do that to white athletes. Ignore the fact that no athlete ever, white or black, has had multiple suits popping like this.
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The post in the first couple pages about how his behavior is just "hitting on" these girls hasn't aged well

They just need to head over to Twitter. The latest proof Watson's innocent is the attorney not seeking criminal charges with the HPD currently. The conspiracy that the Texans are doing this to Watson is living strong.

Oh, and ESPN is racist for reporting every new suit, because they wouldn't do that to white athletes. Ignore the fact that no athlete ever, white or black, has had multiple suits popping like this.
LOL Twitter is such a cesspool. And that Texans conspiracy - "Hay guise, let's annihilate our best player, losing him and wrecking his trade value at the same time hurr hurr."

And I actually agree that ESPN is a racist organization, but just not in the way the Twitterverse says.
Link Posted: 3/31/2021 1:28:32 PM EDT
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Yeah that's what we've all been speculating.  Clearly, legit MTs aren't going to do anything sexual, but he still had a very specific fetish revolving around "massage turned into more" scenario.  So he figured these women were his best targets.
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It's the same in a lot of the suits:
A lot of women who work from home and travel to locations to conduct the massage.
Almost half the suits are mentioned to be single mothers.
Close to half the women are new to the business (1-3 years).
Many women with no licenses or not even in the massage business, trying to earn money.
Around half the massages took place in hotel rooms or private locations new to the women.
Almost all of them mention Watson being a celebrity and helping grow their business.

Lots of things you can point out that would be things you would look for in soft targets.

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A guy who has access to great licensed masseuses seeks out unlicensed masseuses (or women who weren't even masseuses at all) based on their Instagram pics to give him "massages."  Clearly nothing suspicious there.



Yeah that's what we've all been speculating.  Clearly, legit MTs aren't going to do anything sexual, but he still had a very specific fetish revolving around "massage turned into more" scenario.  So he figured these women were his best targets.

Obviously it's common or they wouldn't have a whole genre of porn dedicated to it.

This is what happens when teen sports stars get to spend all their free time watching PornHub in the Student-Athlete dorms instead of studying because "tutors" take their tests for them.
Link Posted: 3/31/2021 1:30:25 PM EDT
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Statements from some massage therapists Watson didn't sexually assault:

Myah Roberson is a licensed massage therapist, who has been working in Houston for 10 years, primarily on athletes.

"I started working with Deshaun in December 2019 after being referred to him by another therapist. He sent me a screenshot of a diagram that the head trainer of the Texans gave him, highlighting the muscles that needed to be worked on, which included the groin and hamstrings. He asked if I felt comfortable working on those areas and I said yes, because I am used to working on athletes.  During the massage, Deshaun was more comfortable using a towel than draping sheets over the table; this isn't unusual at all. I have several clients that prefer using a towel over sheet. We began using a towel, and that became the norm. When I saw that the first lawsuit mentioned a towel, I chuckled because I gave him that idea. And it's not inappropriate because they teach you in massage school that using a towel is okay. Some of these accusations are so ludicrous. I just can't see him doing any of those things. He was never inappropriate with me. I never felt threatened in any way."

Sara Fetherolf is a licensed physical therapist with a degree in dynamic neuromuscular Stabilization who also works as a strength and conditioning coach. In these roles, she has performed extensive tissue work and body manipulation on professional athletes for the past decade. She considers herself a “movement specialist” who concentrates on the function of muscles and joints.

“On July 16, 2020, I performed a very thorough massage on Deshaun, focusing on his lower back, hips and groin, at a home he was renting while visiting Los Angeles.  He is one of the most professional athletes I ever worked on. When the session was over, Deshaun helped me put away my table and walked me to my car. Because it was already quite late, Deshaun texted me during my drive home to make sure I had gotten home safely.  My experience was nothing like the plaintiffs are describing. I don’t believe they are being truthful.”

Kaleigh Galindo has been a licensed massage therapist since 2018. She specializes in lymphatic, Swedish, deep tissue and sports massages.

“I worked on Deshaun Watson several times from August to December in 2020. He was respectful in every session. I never had any issues with him being inappropriate. Focus areas requested were hip flexors, groin (adductors), glutes, hamstrings, quads, lower back, abdominals. These are common areas of strain with pro athletes, especially those who play his position. He was always hospitable and communicated to make sure I always felt comfortable and safe. Many people idolize Deshaun Watson and perceive him as a legend. However, in getting to know him, I know he’s just your regular 25-year-old.”

Masako Jones has been a licensed therapist for the past six years.

“I have worked with Deshaun several times since October 2019 and he’s never been anything other than professional and polite. We would focus on areas that were strained or injured, his shoulder, quads, calves, adductors, glutes, feet, things like that. That’s not odd or inappropriate; you have to think about how athletes use their bodies, the stances they’re in, how they move during games. All of those areas are typical, especially for football players. Deshaun never made me feel uncomfortable or intimidated. He’s rather quiet compared to other professional athletes I’ve worked with. I am just completely floored by these lawsuits. The behavior described in them doesn’t sound like him at all. I can’t even imagine him saying those things or doing those things.”

Luretia Dany Craig received her therapy license from the Atlanta School of Massage in 2008. She primarily works with athletes, active adults and entertainers.

“I massaged Deshaun three times. He was always pleasant. I never had any uncomfortable or inappropriate experiences with him. He often listened to his music and said very little. During my career, unfortunately I have experienced inappropriate situations where I stopped a massage. This never happened with Deshaun. He was respectful to my craft. Deshaun specifically came to me requesting I work on his lower body. I worked his hamstrings, quadriceps as well as his glutes and lower abs.  Asking for these muscle groups to be massaged is not uncommon for athletes.  Working those muscles from origin to insertion is imperative to properly treat the muscle. If a therapist is inexperienced in this type of work, I could imagine it may make them uncomfortable trying to translate the ‘layman’s’ suggestion on how to stop the discomfort. It is important for a therapist to talk through any request with the client to determine exactly what hurts; as even the most educated person loses their anatomy knowledge when in pain.”

Norma Reyna is board-certified in therapeutic massage and body work. She formerly served as the Director of Memorial Hermann’s massage school and as the Supervisor of Houston Methodist’s massage program. Currently, Ms. Reyna is in private practice and a therapist for some dancers of the Houston Ballet. She frequently works with NFL and MLB athletes and was hired by the Brazilian government to train massage therapists to work on players who participated in the 2014 World Cup.

“I frequently observed Deshaun attending sessions with another therapist who works in the same building next door to me. I have never observed Deshaun acting in an inappropriate manner and he never appeared to make anyone uncomfortable. He was always cordial when he walked by.  Glutes, lower abs, psoas and adductors are very common areas for athletes – both males and females – to request their therapists to work on. You must release the psoas and gluteal muscles to release tension in the lower back. There’s a proper and professional way to address this area with proper draping and communication. When working the adductors and groin/pelvic area, it is not uncommon to accidentally graze the penis, but you don’t engage it. I teach my students to use a firmer touch or to move to a different area if a client gets aroused during a session, which sometimes happens. There’s a professional way to deal with it. If a therapist feels uncomfortable at any time during the session, he or she has the ability to end the session and immediately file a complaint with the Texas Department of Licensing and Regulations and vice versa. You don’t get a lawyer and file a lawsuit or go to the news media. You file a complaint immediately.”

Kam Phommyuong has been a massage therapist for about 15 years in Houston.

“I first met Deshaun about three years ago. He was a regular of ours, and I worked on him twice – both times a combo Tai and deep tissue massage. He wore boxers for both sessions. I found him to very polite and respectful. I didn’t even know he was a professional football player during his first appointment. Myself and my co-workers were really shocked to hear about the lawsuits and allegations, because Deshaun never hinted at or did anything improper.”

Nalisha Storm has been a licensed massage therapist since June 2020 and works in Atlanta.

“Deshaun first contacted me in February of this year by direct message on Instagram after he saw a flyer that I had posted. I have worked on him two times and in both instances he asked for a sports massage with a focus on his abs, abductors, thighs and glutes. Each session lasted an hour and he supplied the draping towel, which was the size of a beach towel. Deshaun was very respectful and professional towards me. He was also very quiet, listening to music on his phone. After each session, he thanked me and said he would be contacting me again for another massage.”

Dr. Arielle Ball is a licensed physical therapist and Director of Rehabilitation Services at a hospital in Houston. She specializes in sports performance and injury. Prior to joining the Houston hospital in 2016, Dr. Ball spent seven years working as a physical therapist in the Atlanta area.

“I worked with Deshaun several times in 2019 and 2020. He was very quiet during our sessions, often played his music and zoned out. Like most athletes, he requested that I focus on his hamstrings, abs and adductors. He never made me uncomfortable and was always professional during our sessions.”

Jas Brooks is a licensed massage therapist in Texas with bachelor’s and master’s degrees in kinesiology from Texas Southern University. She is certified in lymphatic drainage massage, prenatal massage, oncology massage, decompression (cupping), Graston technique and cryotherapy. She is currently a medical staff member for Team USA track and field.

“I began providing massage therapy to Deshaun in 2018 and have massaged him at least 40 times since then. I worked with him once or twice a week during the season and as needed during the off season. Early on, he said he wanted me to focus on his hamstrings (he had a trainer that worked on his upper body) and just to work the lactic acid out of his legs. This included the groin, glutes and feet. He never asked me any questions and hardly ever spoke at all. In all that time, I never had a single uncomfortable or inappropriate experience with Deshaun.”

Ashley Thomas became a licensed massage therapist in Oklahoma in 2007 and now owns a spa in Grand Prairie, Texas.  \

“I first worked on Deshaun at a hotel in Houston in December of 2019 after reaching out to him on Instagram. I remember Clemson was in town that day for a football game and Deshaun watched it during his session. Before the appointment, he laid out what he wanted in very clear terms: he was only interested in a professional massage. I worked on him four or five times total, the last time being in June 2020. He was always pretty quiet and never anything but respectful, he was the sweetest guy. The sessions were very professional – he arrived, got his massage, and he left. I’ve never heard anything negative about him and I was completely thrown off guard by the recent allegations.”

LaWonda Howard has been a licensed massage therapist for three years and works in Houston.

“I first met Deshaun about a year ago when he reached out on Instagram. I had two therapy sessions with him, both of which were uneventful. On the first, he was just focused on his areas of concern and the pressure. He listened to music and scrolled on his phone on the second session. He was never inappropriate or did anything to make me feel uncomfortable. He asked that I focus on areas that are typical for athletes: glutes, hamstrings, quads and groin. He was appropriately and properly draped with a towel, which is common with sports clients.  Deshaun was respectful before, during and after both visits. I am puzzled by the allegations in the lawsuits and in the media, as they are not consistent with Deshaun’s character.”

Nadiyah Luqman is a licensed therapist certified in sports and orthopedic massage in Houston. A lower back specialist for nearly a decade, she has taught courses at Hand & Stone Memorial and graduated with honors from Stone School of Massage.

“I massaged Deshaun on August 12, 2020 at my office in Houston. He asked me to pay attention to his glutes, hamstrings and abductors. This was consistent with requests I have received from other athletes I have worked with in the past. He was always respectful and quiet, and I never felt uncomfortable.”

Ana Compean has been a licensed massage therapist in Houston for the past 8 years.

“I first met Deshaun in 2017 at a spa where I worked, which he would visit once or twice a week. I worked on him six or seven times over the next three years. He would always want his back, shoulder and arms massaged, and he asked for deep tissue massages as well.  Deshaun was always draped during massages and a couple of times he even asked for an extra towel because he was cold. He was completely covered. He never said much during the massage, he was very quiet. He would always say ‘yes ma’am or no ma’am.’ I never had any problem with him and I never heard anyone say anything bad about Deshaun.”

Raechal Martin is an athletic trainer and licensed massage therapist.

“I massaged Deshaun four times at his house and at the Houstonian. When we first met, he asked if I was comfortable with glutes, lower legs, and groin and I said yes. As an athletic trainer, this was a normal request. Deshaun barely talked; he was super quiet and passive. He has been one of the easiest clients I have ever had. That’s what makes these accusations against him so infuriating.  Any licensed therapist knows that you may graze the penis during the course of the massage and you are taught how to address it professionally.  You are also taught that the therapist is in charge and to immediately speak up if something makes you uncomfortable.”

Joanne Brito has been a licensed therapist for almost 14 years, specializing in sports massage.

“I started treating Deshaun in early 2020 and have provided him massage therapy three to five times in all, the last time being in November 2020. He tells you what areas he wants worked on – usually groin, glutes and abs, which is normal for athletes. I always found him to be polite, respectful, professional and absolutely nonaggressive.”

Tina Nguyen has been a licensed massage therapist for 10 years, working at a spa in Houston.

“I first met Deshaun three years ago and have provided massages to him several times. He wanted to focus on stretching and deep tissue massage. He never asked for, or even hinted at, anything inappropriate. He was always polite and respectful. When I eventually realized who he was, I asked him to have his picture taken with me to give to my son, who is a big fan.”

Kya Hillman is a retired disabled veteran and licensed esthetician working in Spring, Texas. She worked on Deshaun three times between October and December of 2020.

“I worked with Deshaun to give him full body scrubs and body wraps. At no time did he act inappropriate with me. If he did, I would have talked with him and handled it with him.”
Link Posted: 3/31/2021 1:34:33 PM EDT
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Can't believe I hadn't thought to post this.

Letterkenny | Season 2 | Squirrely Dan's Relationship
Link Posted: 3/31/2021 1:35:21 PM EDT
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Statements from some massage therapists Watson didn't sexually assault:

Myah Roberson is a licensed massage therapist, who has been working in Houston for 10 years, primarily on athletes.

"I started working with Deshaun in December 2019 after being referred to him by another therapist. He sent me a screenshot of a diagram that the head trainer of the Texans gave him, highlighting the muscles that needed to be worked on, which included the groin and hamstrings. He asked if I felt comfortable working on those areas and I said yes, because I am used to working on athletes.  During the massage, Deshaun was more comfortable using a towel than draping sheets over the table; this isn't unusual at all. I have several clients that prefer using a towel over sheet. We began using a towel, and that became the norm. When I saw that the first lawsuit mentioned a towel, I chuckled because I gave him that idea. And it's not inappropriate because they teach you in massage school that using a towel is okay. Some of these accusations are so ludicrous. I just can't see him doing any of those things. He was never inappropriate with me. I never felt threatened in any way."

Sara Fetherolf is a licensed physical therapist with a degree in dynamic neuromuscular Stabilization who also works as a strength and conditioning coach. In these roles, she has performed extensive tissue work and body manipulation on professional athletes for the past decade. She considers herself a “movement specialist” who concentrates on the function of muscles and joints.

“On July 16, 2020, I performed a very thorough massage on Deshaun, focusing on his lower back, hips and groin, at a home he was renting while visiting Los Angeles.  He is one of the most professional athletes I ever worked on. When the session was over, Deshaun helped me put away my table and walked me to my car. Because it was already quite late, Deshaun texted me during my drive home to make sure I had gotten home safely.  My experience was nothing like the plaintiffs are describing. I don’t believe they are being truthful.”

Kaleigh Galindo has been a licensed massage therapist since 2018. She specializes in lymphatic, Swedish, deep tissue and sports massages.

“I worked on Deshaun Watson several times from August to December in 2020. He was respectful in every session. I never had any issues with him being inappropriate. Focus areas requested were hip flexors, groin (adductors), glutes, hamstrings, quads, lower back, abdominals. These are common areas of strain with pro athletes, especially those who play his position. He was always hospitable and communicated to make sure I always felt comfortable and safe. Many people idolize Deshaun Watson and perceive him as a legend. However, in getting to know him, I know he’s just your regular 25-year-old.”

Masako Jones has been a licensed therapist for the past six years.

“I have worked with Deshaun several times since October 2019 and he’s never been anything other than professional and polite. We would focus on areas that were strained or injured, his shoulder, quads, calves, adductors, glutes, feet, things like that. That’s not odd or inappropriate; you have to think about how athletes use their bodies, the stances they’re in, how they move during games. All of those areas are typical, especially for football players. Deshaun never made me feel uncomfortable or intimidated. He’s rather quiet compared to other professional athletes I’ve worked with. I am just completely floored by these lawsuits. The behavior described in them doesn’t sound like him at all. I can’t even imagine him saying those things or doing those things.”

Luretia Dany Craig received her therapy license from the Atlanta School of Massage in 2008. She primarily works with athletes, active adults and entertainers.

“I massaged Deshaun three times. He was always pleasant. I never had any uncomfortable or inappropriate experiences with him. He often listened to his music and said very little. During my career, unfortunately I have experienced inappropriate situations where I stopped a massage. This never happened with Deshaun. He was respectful to my craft. Deshaun specifically came to me requesting I work on his lower body. I worked his hamstrings, quadriceps as well as his glutes and lower abs.  Asking for these muscle groups to be massaged is not uncommon for athletes.  Working those muscles from origin to insertion is imperative to properly treat the muscle. If a therapist is inexperienced in this type of work, I could imagine it may make them uncomfortable trying to translate the ‘layman’s’ suggestion on how to stop the discomfort. It is important for a therapist to talk through any request with the client to determine exactly what hurts; as even the most educated person loses their anatomy knowledge when in pain.”

Norma Reyna is board-certified in therapeutic massage and body work. She formerly served as the Director of Memorial Hermann’s massage school and as the Supervisor of Houston Methodist’s massage program. Currently, Ms. Reyna is in private practice and a therapist for some dancers of the Houston Ballet. She frequently works with NFL and MLB athletes and was hired by the Brazilian government to train massage therapists to work on players who participated in the 2014 World Cup.

“I frequently observed Deshaun attending sessions with another therapist who works in the same building next door to me. I have never observed Deshaun acting in an inappropriate manner and he never appeared to make anyone uncomfortable. He was always cordial when he walked by.  Glutes, lower abs, psoas and adductors are very common areas for athletes – both males and females – to request their therapists to work on. You must release the psoas and gluteal muscles to release tension in the lower back. There’s a proper and professional way to address this area with proper draping and communication. When working the adductors and groin/pelvic area, it is not uncommon to accidentally graze the penis, but you don’t engage it. I teach my students to use a firmer touch or to move to a different area if a client gets aroused during a session, which sometimes happens. There’s a professional way to deal with it. If a therapist feels uncomfortable at any time during the session, he or she has the ability to end the session and immediately file a complaint with the Texas Department of Licensing and Regulations and vice versa. You don’t get a lawyer and file a lawsuit or go to the news media. You file a complaint immediately.”

Kam Phommyuong has been a massage therapist for about 15 years in Houston.

“I first met Deshaun about three years ago. He was a regular of ours, and I worked on him twice – both times a combo Tai and deep tissue massage. He wore boxers for both sessions. I found him to very polite and respectful. I didn’t even know he was a professional football player during his first appointment. Myself and my co-workers were really shocked to hear about the lawsuits and allegations, because Deshaun never hinted at or did anything improper.”

Nalisha Storm has been a licensed massage therapist since June 2020 and works in Atlanta.

“Deshaun first contacted me in February of this year by direct message on Instagram after he saw a flyer that I had posted. I have worked on him two times and in both instances he asked for a sports massage with a focus on his abs, abductors, thighs and glutes. Each session lasted an hour and he supplied the draping towel, which was the size of a beach towel. Deshaun was very respectful and professional towards me. He was also very quiet, listening to music on his phone. After each session, he thanked me and said he would be contacting me again for another massage.”

Dr. Arielle Ball is a licensed physical therapist and Director of Rehabilitation Services at a hospital in Houston. She specializes in sports performance and injury. Prior to joining the Houston hospital in 2016, Dr. Ball spent seven years working as a physical therapist in the Atlanta area.

“I worked with Deshaun several times in 2019 and 2020. He was very quiet during our sessions, often played his music and zoned out. Like most athletes, he requested that I focus on his hamstrings, abs and adductors. He never made me uncomfortable and was always professional during our sessions.”

Jas Brooks is a licensed massage therapist in Texas with bachelor’s and master’s degrees in kinesiology from Texas Southern University. She is certified in lymphatic drainage massage, prenatal massage, oncology massage, decompression (cupping), Graston technique and cryotherapy. She is currently a medical staff member for Team USA track and field.

“I began providing massage therapy to Deshaun in 2018 and have massaged him at least 40 times since then. I worked with him once or twice a week during the season and as needed during the off season. Early on, he said he wanted me to focus on his hamstrings (he had a trainer that worked on his upper body) and just to work the lactic acid out of his legs. This included the groin, glutes and feet. He never asked me any questions and hardly ever spoke at all. In all that time, I never had a single uncomfortable or inappropriate experience with Deshaun.”

Ashley Thomas became a licensed massage therapist in Oklahoma in 2007 and now owns a spa in Grand Prairie, Texas.  
“I first worked on Deshaun at a hotel in Houston in December of 2019 after reaching out to him on Instagram. I remember Clemson was in town that day for a football game and Deshaun watched it during his session. Before the appointment, he laid out what he wanted in very clear terms: he was only interested in a professional massage. I worked on him four or five times total, the last time being in June 2020. He was always pretty quiet and never anything but respectful, he was the sweetest guy. The sessions were very professional – he arrived, got his massage, and he left. I’ve never heard anything negative about him and I was completely thrown off guard by the recent allegations.”

LaWonda Howard has been a licensed massage therapist for three years and works in Houston.

“I first met Deshaun about a year ago when he reached out on Instagram. I had two therapy sessions with him, both of which were uneventful. On the first, he was just focused on his areas of concern and the pressure. He listened to music and scrolled on his phone on the second session. He was never inappropriate or did anything to make me feel uncomfortable. He asked that I focus on areas that are typical for athletes: glutes, hamstrings, quads and groin. He was appropriately and properly draped with a towel, which is common with sports clients.  Deshaun was respectful before, during and after both visits. I am puzzled by the allegations in the lawsuits and in the media, as they are not consistent with Deshaun’s character.”

Nadiyah Luqman is a licensed therapist certified in sports and orthopedic massage in Houston. A lower back specialist for nearly a decade, she has taught courses at Hand & Stone Memorial and graduated with honors from Stone School of Massage.

“I massaged Deshaun on August 12, 2020 at my office in Houston. He asked me to pay attention to his glutes, hamstrings and abductors. This was consistent with requests I have received from other athletes I have worked with in the past. He was always respectful and quiet, and I never felt uncomfortable.”

Ana Compean has been a licensed massage therapist in Houston for the past 8 years.

“I first met Deshaun in 2017 at a spa where I worked, which he would visit once or twice a week. I worked on him six or seven times over the next three years. He would always want his back, shoulder and arms massaged, and he asked for deep tissue massages as well.  Deshaun was always draped during massages and a couple of times he even asked for an extra towel because he was cold. He was completely covered. He never said much during the massage, he was very quiet. He would always say ‘yes ma’am or no ma’am.’ I never had any problem with him and I never heard anyone say anything bad about Deshaun.”

Raechal Martin is an athletic trainer and licensed massage therapist.

“I massaged Deshaun four times at his house and at the Houstonian. When we first met, he asked if I was comfortable with glutes, lower legs, and groin and I said yes. As an athletic trainer, this was a normal request. Deshaun barely talked; he was super quiet and passive. He has been one of the easiest clients I have ever had. That’s what makes these accusations against him so infuriating.  Any licensed therapist knows that you may graze the penis during the course of the massage and you are taught how to address it professionally.  You are also taught that the therapist is in charge and to immediately speak up if something makes you uncomfortable.”

Joanne Brito has been a licensed therapist for almost 14 years, specializing in sports massage.

“I started treating Deshaun in early 2020 and have provided him massage therapy three to five times in all, the last time being in November 2020. He tells you what areas he wants worked on – usually groin, glutes and abs, which is normal for athletes. I always found him to be polite, respectful, professional and absolutely nonaggressive.”

Tina Nguyen has been a licensed massage therapist for 10 years, working at a spa in Houston.

“I first met Deshaun three years ago and have provided massages to him several times. He wanted to focus on stretching and deep tissue massage. He never asked for, or even hinted at, anything inappropriate. He was always polite and respectful. When I eventually realized who he was, I asked him to have his picture taken with me to give to my son, who is a big fan.”

Kya Hillman is a retired disabled veteran and licensed esthetician working in Spring, Texas. She worked on Deshaun three times between October and December of 2020.

“I worked with Deshaun to give him full body scrubs and body wraps. At no time did he act inappropriate with me. If he did, I would have talked with him and handled it with him.”
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I wonder what the "pretty" scale is with those women compared to the ones in the lawsuit?
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That's pretty typical in scrum piles over loose fumbles. groin jabs, eye and neck jabs, you just don't see stuff like that in the open .
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Once done with his glutes she tried to continue onto his back, he said no and requested she "penetrate his anus with her fingers" to massage him there. She says she was shocked and confused. Said she could not do that. Watson was aggressive and demanded she stick her fingers into his anus. When she said no again Watson said the massage was done. Paid and left.

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Did that player ever explain WTF he was trying to do there?

That's pretty typical in scrum piles over loose fumbles. groin jabs, eye and neck jabs, you just don't see stuff like that in the open .

I thought maybe since it was all out in the open like that there might be another reason or at least another reason he'd claim.  I guess maybe he's just a dumbass that didn't think any of the dozens of cameras recording the game would see it.
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4 women are professional athlete therapist (legit), doesn't fit into these scenarios at all
9 women worked on him in a professional business setting (offices with multiple people present)
1 woman last worked with him 3 years ago, outside the predatory range
1 woman didn't even give him a massage

So in my opinion, you can remove the opinion of the 4 women who are professional sports therapists, they are actually legit services for his profession and don't apply to the accusers situations.

You can remove the 9 women who worked with him in professional atmospheres with potential witnesses present/nearby.

You can remove the woman from 3 years ago as he doesn't fall into the timeline.

You can sure as fuck remove the spa woman who didn't even give him a massage.

A number of these women don't mention any details about where the massages were conducted or of the massages at all.

Trying to use that, "but one of my friends is black" defense. Thank you Deshaun Watson for not assaulting all these other women you met. Next up we'll have a statement from his mother about how he never forced her to give him oral to prove his innocence.

Meanwhile he is up to like 5 massages a day apparently between the team therapists, legit therapists outside the team and instagram therapists.
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The way "Big D" always "aggressively dictates" that he wants his anus touched or penetrated, and then immediately blows his load after they they "get deeper" into his "glutes" with little to no penis stimulation.

Anyone else wondering if Deshaun has some Aaron Hernandez tendencies going on that he's trying not to acknowledge?

He hasn't tried to rape any of the girls, he hasn't tried to take any of their clothes off, he hasn't tried to touch any of their vaginas, he hasn't even asked any of them for intercourse. Seems odd for a heterosexual sexual predator.

He just wants to lie face down while they finger his butthole.  At the most all he wants is oral, which would still allow him to close his eyes and imagine it's being performed by a male.??
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Once again... How many fucking women did he go after for massages?
Once again... Taking the he doesn't sexually assault EVERY WOMAN he meets defense.

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Like I said earlier: it'd be like you being accused of murdering a valet who parked your car and your lawyer parades a bunch of valets you didn't murder as proof that you didn't murder the valet you're accused of murdering.

I know some people think Hardin hangs the moon, but it seems to me he has either lost a step (he's pushing 80), doesn't know how to handle a case like this, or he knows Watson is so completely fucked that Hardin is just throwing up desperate Hail Marys halfway through the 1st quarter.
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Once done with his glutes she tried to continue onto his back, he said no and requested she "penetrate his anus with her fingers" to massage him there. She says she was shocked and confused. Said she could not do that. Watson was aggressive and demanded she stick her fingers into his anus. When she said no again Watson said the massage was done. Paid and left.

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Did that player ever explain WTF he was trying to do there?

That's pretty typical in scrum piles over loose fumbles. groin jabs, eye and neck jabs, you just don't see stuff like that in the open .

I thought maybe since it was all out in the open like that there might be another reason or at least another reason he'd claim.  I guess maybe he's just a dumbass that didn't think any of the dozens of cameras recording the game would see it.

If I remember right, he basically said it's a violent game, and his emotions were running high.

Not really any excuse you can give for shoving your fingers into a man's taint on live TV.
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We have 25 accusers, 18 women vouching for him, an unknown number of team therapists/masseuses, and an unknown number of women who have neither accused or vouched for him.

Dude has straight up dealt with over 50 "massage therapists" in the last couple years.














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Myah Roberson is a licensed massage therapist, who has been working in Houston for 10 years, primarily on athletes.

"I started working with Deshaun in December 2019 after being referred to him by another therapist. He sent me a screenshot of a diagram that the head trainer of the Texans gave him, highlighting the muscles that needed to be worked on, which included the groin and hamstrings. He asked if I felt comfortable working on those areas and I said yes, because I am used to working on athletes.  During the massage, Deshaun was more comfortable using a towel than draping sheets over the table; this isn't unusual at all. I have several clients that prefer using a towel over sheet. We began using a towel, and that became the norm. When I saw that the first lawsuit mentioned a towel, I chuckled because I gave him that idea. And it's not inappropriate because they teach you in massage school that using a towel is okay. Some of these accusations are so ludicrous. I just can't see him doing any of those things. He was never inappropriate with me. I never felt threatened in any way."

Sara Fetherolf is a licensed physical therapist with a degree in dynamic neuromuscular Stabilization who also works as a strength and conditioning coach. In these roles, she has performed extensive tissue work and body manipulation on professional athletes for the past decade. She considers herself a “movement specialist” who concentrates on the function of muscles and joints.

“On July 16, 2020, I performed a very thorough massage on Deshaun, focusing on his lower back, hips and groin, at a home he was renting while visiting Los Angeles.  He is one of the most professional athletes I ever worked on. When the session was over, Deshaun helped me put away my table and walked me to my car. Because it was already quite late, Deshaun texted me during my drive home to make sure I had gotten home safely.  My experience was nothing like the plaintiffs are describing. I don’t believe they are being truthful.”

Kaleigh Galindo has been a licensed massage therapist since 2018. She specializes in lymphatic, Swedish, deep tissue and sports massages.

“I worked on Deshaun Watson several times from August to December in 2020. He was respectful in every session. I never had any issues with him being inappropriate. Focus areas requested were hip flexors, groin (adductors), glutes, hamstrings, quads, lower back, abdominals. These are common areas of strain with pro athletes, especially those who play his position. He was always hospitable and communicated to make sure I always felt comfortable and safe. Many people idolize Deshaun Watson and perceive him as a legend. However, in getting to know him, I know he’s just your regular 25-year-old.”

Masako Jones has been a licensed therapist for the past six years.

“I have worked with Deshaun several times since October 2019 and he’s never been anything other than professional and polite. We would focus on areas that were strained or injured, his shoulder, quads, calves, adductors, glutes, feet, things like that. That’s not odd or inappropriate; you have to think about how athletes use their bodies, the stances they’re in, how they move during games. All of those areas are typical, especially for football players. Deshaun never made me feel uncomfortable or intimidated. He’s rather quiet compared to other professional athletes I’ve worked with. I am just completely floored by these lawsuits. The behavior described in them doesn’t sound like him at all. I can’t even imagine him saying those things or doing those things.”

Luretia Dany Craig received her therapy license from the Atlanta School of Massage in 2008. She primarily works with athletes, active adults and entertainers.

“I massaged Deshaun three times. He was always pleasant. I never had any uncomfortable or inappropriate experiences with him. He often listened to his music and said very little. During my career, unfortunately I have experienced inappropriate situations where I stopped a massage. This never happened with Deshaun. He was respectful to my craft. Deshaun specifically came to me requesting I work on his lower body. I worked his hamstrings, quadriceps as well as his glutes and lower abs.  Asking for these muscle groups to be massaged is not uncommon for athletes.  Working those muscles from origin to insertion is imperative to properly treat the muscle. If a therapist is inexperienced in this type of work, I could imagine it may make them uncomfortable trying to translate the ‘layman’s’ suggestion on how to stop the discomfort. It is important for a therapist to talk through any request with the client to determine exactly what hurts; as even the most educated person loses their anatomy knowledge when in pain.”

Norma Reyna is board-certified in therapeutic massage and body work. She formerly served as the Director of Memorial Hermann’s massage school and as the Supervisor of Houston Methodist’s massage program. Currently, Ms. Reyna is in private practice and a therapist for some dancers of the Houston Ballet. She frequently works with NFL and MLB athletes and was hired by the Brazilian government to train massage therapists to work on players who participated in the 2014 World Cup.

“I frequently observed Deshaun attending sessions with another therapist who works in the same building next door to me. I have never observed Deshaun acting in an inappropriate manner and he never appeared to make anyone uncomfortable. He was always cordial when he walked by.  Glutes, lower abs, psoas and adductors are very common areas for athletes – both males and females – to request their therapists to work on. You must release the psoas and gluteal muscles to release tension in the lower back. There’s a proper and professional way to address this area with proper draping and communication. When working the adductors and groin/pelvic area, it is not uncommon to accidentally graze the penis, but you don’t engage it. I teach my students to use a firmer touch or to move to a different area if a client gets aroused during a session, which sometimes happens. There’s a professional way to deal with it. If a therapist feels uncomfortable at any time during the session, he or she has the ability to end the session and immediately file a complaint with the Texas Department of Licensing and Regulations and vice versa. You don’t get a lawyer and file a lawsuit or go to the news media. You file a complaint immediately.”

Kam Phommyuong has been a massage therapist for about 15 years in Houston.

“I first met Deshaun about three years ago. He was a regular of ours, and I worked on him twice – both times a combo Tai and deep tissue massage. He wore boxers for both sessions. I found him to very polite and respectful. I didn’t even know he was a professional football player during his first appointment. Myself and my co-workers were really shocked to hear about the lawsuits and allegations, because Deshaun never hinted at or did anything improper.”

Nalisha Storm has been a licensed massage therapist since June 2020 and works in Atlanta.

“Deshaun first contacted me in February of this year by direct message on Instagram after he saw a flyer that I had posted. I have worked on him two times and in both instances he asked for a sports massage with a focus on his abs, abductors, thighs and glutes. Each session lasted an hour and he supplied the draping towel, which was the size of a beach towel. Deshaun was very respectful and professional towards me. He was also very quiet, listening to music on his phone. After each session, he thanked me and said he would be contacting me again for another massage.”

Dr. Arielle Ball is a licensed physical therapist and Director of Rehabilitation Services at a hospital in Houston. She specializes in sports performance and injury. Prior to joining the Houston hospital in 2016, Dr. Ball spent seven years working as a physical therapist in the Atlanta area.

“I worked with Deshaun several times in 2019 and 2020. He was very quiet during our sessions, often played his music and zoned out. Like most athletes, he requested that I focus on his hamstrings, abs and adductors. He never made me uncomfortable and was always professional during our sessions.”

Jas Brooks is a licensed massage therapist in Texas with bachelor’s and master’s degrees in kinesiology from Texas Southern University. She is certified in lymphatic drainage massage, prenatal massage, oncology massage, decompression (cupping), Graston technique and cryotherapy. She is currently a medical staff member for Team USA track and field.

“I began providing massage therapy to Deshaun in 2018 and have massaged him at least 40 times since then. I worked with him once or twice a week during the season and as needed during the off season. Early on, he said he wanted me to focus on his hamstrings (he had a trainer that worked on his upper body) and just to work the lactic acid out of his legs. This included the groin, glutes and feet. He never asked me any questions and hardly ever spoke at all. In all that time, I never had a single uncomfortable or inappropriate experience with Deshaun.”

Ashley Thomas became a licensed massage therapist in Oklahoma in 2007 and now owns a spa in Grand Prairie, Texas.  
“I first worked on Deshaun at a hotel in Houston in December of 2019 after reaching out to him on Instagram. I remember Clemson was in town that day for a football game and Deshaun watched it during his session. Before the appointment, he laid out what he wanted in very clear terms: he was only interested in a professional massage. I worked on him four or five times total, the last time being in June 2020. He was always pretty quiet and never anything but respectful, he was the sweetest guy. The sessions were very professional – he arrived, got his massage, and he left. I’ve never heard anything negative about him and I was completely thrown off guard by the recent allegations.”

LaWonda Howard has been a licensed massage therapist for three years and works in Houston.

“I first met Deshaun about a year ago when he reached out on Instagram. I had two therapy sessions with him, both of which were uneventful. On the first, he was just focused on his areas of concern and the pressure. He listened to music and scrolled on his phone on the second session. He was never inappropriate or did anything to make me feel uncomfortable. He asked that I focus on areas that are typical for athletes: glutes, hamstrings, quads and groin. He was appropriately and properly draped with a towel, which is common with sports clients.  Deshaun was respectful before, during and after both visits. I am puzzled by the allegations in the lawsuits and in the media, as they are not consistent with Deshaun’s character.”

Nadiyah Luqman is a licensed therapist certified in sports and orthopedic massage in Houston. A lower back specialist for nearly a decade, she has taught courses at Hand & Stone Memorial and graduated with honors from Stone School of Massage.

“I massaged Deshaun on August 12, 2020 at my office in Houston. He asked me to pay attention to his glutes, hamstrings and abductors. This was consistent with requests I have received from other athletes I have worked with in the past. He was always respectful and quiet, and I never felt uncomfortable.”

Ana Compean has been a licensed massage therapist in Houston for the past 8 years.

“I first met Deshaun in 2017 at a spa where I worked, which he would visit once or twice a week. I worked on him six or seven times over the next three years. He would always want his back, shoulder and arms massaged, and he asked for deep tissue massages as well.  Deshaun was always draped during massages and a couple of times he even asked for an extra towel because he was cold. He was completely covered. He never said much during the massage, he was very quiet. He would always say ‘yes ma’am or no ma’am.’ I never had any problem with him and I never heard anyone say anything bad about Deshaun.”

Raechal Martin is an athletic trainer and licensed massage therapist.

“I massaged Deshaun four times at his house and at the Houstonian. When we first met, he asked if I was comfortable with glutes, lower legs, and groin and I said yes. As an athletic trainer, this was a normal request. Deshaun barely talked; he was super quiet and passive. He has been one of the easiest clients I have ever had. That’s what makes these accusations against him so infuriating.  Any licensed therapist knows that you may graze the penis during the course of the massage and you are taught how to address it professionally.  You are also taught that the therapist is in charge and to immediately speak up if something makes you uncomfortable.”

Joanne Brito has been a licensed therapist for almost 14 years, specializing in sports massage.

“I started treating Deshaun in early 2020 and have provided him massage therapy three to five times in all, the last time being in November 2020. He tells you what areas he wants worked on – usually groin, glutes and abs, which is normal for athletes. I always found him to be polite, respectful, professional and absolutely nonaggressive.”

Tina Nguyen has been a licensed massage therapist for 10 years, working at a spa in Houston.

“I first met Deshaun three years ago and have provided massages to him several times. He wanted to focus on stretching and deep tissue massage. He never asked for, or even hinted at, anything inappropriate. He was always polite and respectful. When I eventually realized who he was, I asked him to have his picture taken with me to give to my son, who is a big fan.”

Kya Hillman is a retired disabled veteran and licensed esthetician working in Spring, Texas. She worked on Deshaun three times between October and December of 2020.

“I worked with Deshaun to give him full body scrubs and body wraps. At no time did he act inappropriate with me. If he did, I would have talked with him and handled it with him.”


I wonder what the "pretty" scale is with those women compared to the ones in the lawsuit?


That is what I was thinking.
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4 women are professional athlete therapist (legit), doesn't fit into these scenarios at all
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1 woman last worked with him 3 years ago, outside the predatory range
1 woman didn't even give him a massage

So in my opinion, you can remove the opinion of the 4 women who are professional sports therapists, they are actually legit services for his profession and don't apply to the accusers situations.

You can remove the 9 women who worked with him in professional atmospheres with potential witnesses present/nearby.

You can remove the woman from 3 years ago as he doesn't fall into the timeline.

You can sure as fuck remove the spa woman who didn't even give him a massage.

A number of these women don't mention any details about where the massages were conducted or of the massages at all.

Trying to use that, "but one of my friends is black" defense. Thank you Deshaun Watson for not assaulting all these other women you met. Next up we'll have a statement from his mother about how he never forced her to give him oral to prove his innocence.

Meanwhile he is up to like 5 massages a day apparently between the team therapists, legit therapists outside the team and instagram therapists.
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He was on good behavior when other people were around?  No way.
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The 10 most recent Tweets about Deshaun Watson that aren't news stories.

4 proclaiming his innocence
2 accusing his guilt
3 making jokes
1 neutral comment
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A top 10 NFL QB has had 21 claims (with 2 new ones in the past 24 hours) of sexual assault filed against him and yet if you do a YouTube search for "Deshaun Watson" in the past 24 hours pretty much no one outside of Mike Florio is talking about it.

Incredible.
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I fucking love that movie.
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Such an underrated movie.
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I remember stumbling into to that movie late at night on cable. Funny as all shit!
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I remember stumbling into to that movie late at night on cable. Funny as all shit!
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I fucking love that movie.


I remember stumbling into to that movie late at night on cable. Funny as all shit!

Kinda hard to believe the hot chick in the movie was Velma.

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Wasn't Kobe accused of sexual assault or rape as well? I remember there being some sort of allegation but never paid much attention to the legitimacy of it or not.

Regardless...not exactly the best defense. "It was normal for this other guy who was also accused of sexual assault/rape."
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Wasn't Kobe accused of sexual assault or rape as well? I remember there being some sort of allegation but never paid much attention to the legitimacy of it or not.

Regardless...not exactly the best defense. "It was normal for this other guy who was also accused of sexual assault/rape."
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Wasn't Kobe accused of sexual assault or rape as well? I remember there being some sort of allegation but never paid much attention to the legitimacy of it or not.

Regardless...not exactly the best defense. "It was normal for this other guy who was also accused of sexual assault/rape."


He was criminally charged and went on trial for rape, but the witness was dragged through the mud so much she refused to testify. Kobe even said after the criminal trial ‘I thought it was consensual, but I see how she did not.’

The girl was a hoe, there was several different semens found on her underwear. And with Kobe, the sex was allegedly consensual, it was the anal sex that wasn’t.  Just what I’ve heard.
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He was criminally charged and went on trial for rape, but the witness was dragged through the mud so much she refused to testify. Kobe even said after the criminal trial ‘I thought it was consensual, but I see how she did not.’

The girl was a hoe, there was several different semens found on her underwear. And with Kobe, the sex was allegedly consensual, it was the anal sex that wasn’t.  Just what I’ve heard.
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Wasn't Kobe accused of sexual assault or rape as well? I remember there being some sort of allegation but never paid much attention to the legitimacy of it or not.

Regardless...not exactly the best defense. "It was normal for this other guy who was also accused of sexual assault/rape."


He was criminally charged and went on trial for rape, but the witness was dragged through the mud so much she refused to testify. Kobe even said after the criminal trial ‘I thought it was consensual, but I see how she did not.’

The girl was a hoe, there was several different semens found on her underwear. And with Kobe, the sex was allegedly consensual, it was the anal sex that wasn’t.  Just what I’ve heard.

Girl got a big payday in a civil suit against Kobe.

Kobe’s wife was pregnant at the time and she had a miscarriage during the trial.  The popular theory is that the stress from her husband’s trial and all the attention caused it.

All that pain and suffering he caused himself and his family because he couldn’t resist sticking his dick in this:

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Girl got a big payday in a civil suit against Kobe.

Kobe’s wife was pregnant at the time and she had a miscarriage during the trial.  The popular theory is that the stress from her husband’s trial and all the attention caused it.

All that pain and suffering he caused himself and his family because he couldn’t resist sticking his dick in this:

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Wasn't Kobe accused of sexual assault or rape as well? I remember there being some sort of allegation but never paid much attention to the legitimacy of it or not.

Regardless...not exactly the best defense. "It was normal for this other guy who was also accused of sexual assault/rape."


He was criminally charged and went on trial for rape, but the witness was dragged through the mud so much she refused to testify. Kobe even said after the criminal trial ‘I thought it was consensual, but I see how she did not.’

The girl was a hoe, there was several different semens found on her underwear. And with Kobe, the sex was allegedly consensual, it was the anal sex that wasn’t.  Just what I’ve heard.

Girl got a big payday in a civil suit against Kobe.

Kobe’s wife was pregnant at the time and she had a miscarriage during the trial.  The popular theory is that the stress from her husband’s trial and all the attention caused it.

All that pain and suffering he caused himself and his family because he couldn’t resist sticking his dick in this:

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yup, and he bought her a million dollar ring, or over million dollars.
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He was criminally charged and went on trial for rape, but the witness was dragged through the mud so much she refused to testify. Kobe even said after the criminal trial ‘I thought it was consensual, but I see how she did not.’

The girl was a hoe, there was several different semens found on her underwear. And with Kobe, the sex was allegedly consensual, it was the anal sex that wasn’t.  Just what I’ve heard.
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So, because a woman has consensual sex with one or more OTHER people, or because she wants sex, just not up the butt, she is a whore and did not have a right to refuse Kobe?  That is messed up.
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So, because a woman has consensual sex with one or more OTHER people, or because she wants sex, just not up the butt, she is a whore and did not have a right to refuse Kobe?  That is messed up.
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You should apply for a scholarship here...

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So, because a woman has consensual sex with one or more OTHER people, or because she wants sex, just not up the butt, she is a whore and did not have a right to refuse Kobe?  That is messed up.
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He was criminally charged and went on trial for rape, but the witness was dragged through the mud so much she refused to testify. Kobe even said after the criminal trial ‘I thought it was consensual, but I see how she did not.’

The girl was a hoe, there was several different semens found on her underwear. And with Kobe, the sex was allegedly consensual, it was the anal sex that wasn’t.  Just what I’ve heard.


So, because a woman has consensual sex with one or more OTHER people, or because she wants sex, just not up the butt, she is a whore and did not have a right to refuse Kobe?  That is messed up.

I have no idea how someone could genuinely get that from what Bennjammin posted.
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I bet the kids can’t read good there.
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I find it interesting that the Houston police is now not going to be involved because 1) evidence hasn't been turned over and 2) the ones filing suit are refusing to be named.
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I find it interesting how Watson was able to remember 18 masseuses he did NOT sexually assault, but claims he has no idea who pretty much all of the 21 (or however many it's up to in the past hour) women accusing him are.
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I find it interesting that the Houston police is now not going to be involved because 1) evidence hasn't been turned over and 2) the ones filing suit are refusing to be named.
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For now. Not filing criminal suits gives the women more negotiating power in mediation and/or allowing the suits to play out in civil court can potentially provide more to base criminal charges on depending on Watson's defense/testimony.

Not to mention that these kinds of sexual assault cases are nearly impossible to convict criminally without an admission from the accused. None of these women likely can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he was intentionally exposing himself and flinging his dick at them and asking for anal play/hand jobs, etc, etc, etc. But they sure can prove Watson contacted them (typically in multiple ways, before and after) and was in a room with them and then they can hope that the body of circumstantial testimony and evidence is enough for a jury to make an inference that Watson more likely than not (civil) did these things.
Link Posted: 4/2/2021 2:05:10 AM EDT
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For now. Not filing criminal suits gives the women more negotiating power in mediation and/or allowing the suits to play out in civil court can potentially provide more to base criminal charges on depending on Watson's defense/testimony.

Not to mention that these kinds of sexual assault cases are nearly impossible to convict criminally without an admission from the accused. None of these women likely can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he was intentionally exposing himself and flinging his dick at them and asking for anal play/hand jobs, etc, etc, etc. But they sure can prove Watson contacted them (typically in multiple ways, before and after) and was in a room with them and then they can hope that the body of circumstantial testimony and evidence is enough for a jury to make an inference that Watson more likely than not (civil) did these things.
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From what I've seen so far, I think that "more likely than not" aspect would rely on the texts AFTER the appointment where it's claimed he apologized or whatever. Also on testimony from people like the mother, neighboring business owner, or boss who supposedly were in contact with accusers immediately afterwards. If all the messages confirm is that he did have appointments with them....then it's still just he said she said. I'd need to see something that leads me to believe something out of the ordinary happened.
Link Posted: 4/2/2021 6:30:40 AM EDT
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You find it interesting that victims of sexual assault don’t want to be doxxed?

Watson should be ecstatic they aren’t naming themselves. If they did they could add the pain and suffering caused from lead up to the case.
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You find it interesting that victims of sexual assault don’t want to be doxxed?
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You find it interesting that victims of sexual assault don’t want to be doxxed?

Something something right to face your accuser.
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