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Link Posted: 1/15/2023 11:47:21 AM EDT
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Don't use the coffee machine in hotel rooms. God only knows what previous guests have done to it, and hotels don't clean them. People are nasty.
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Although I like Vegas and love Shot Show - there is one thing that annoys me.

I have travelled quite a bit. Stayed in some sketchy "budget" hotels and motels. Yet they all managed to put a coffee machine in the room.

Then you have Vegas hotels. They charge a "resort fee" which is often more than the price of the room. But no coffee machine. You have to schlep down to the Casino and pay $5 for a cup.

Don't use the coffee machine in hotel rooms. God only knows what previous guests have done to it, and hotels don't clean them. People are nasty.

Link Posted: 1/15/2023 12:07:45 PM EDT
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I have a request for attendees concerning the Carmel, if it the rumor is true & it shows up.

The military variant has a QD cam lever to facilitate user-lever barrel removal which resides just centrally below the charging handle slot on the L side:



I don't see it in the (rumored) commercial version with the MLok HG:



Can somebody verify if the QD barrel setup is in the commercial model, or did IWI cheap out & ditch it to just press the barrel into the receiver?
Link Posted: 1/15/2023 12:18:10 PM EDT
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Goddamn that thing is uglier than a bag of smashed assholes.


I want one.
Link Posted: 1/15/2023 12:24:05 PM EDT
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It'll be a shame if we don't get the OG Carmel, the rumored US version just looks like the ACE Gen 2 with extra steps.
Link Posted: 1/15/2023 12:25:22 PM EDT
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I have a request for attendees concerning the Carmel, if it the rumor is true & it shows up.

The military variant has a QD cam lever to facilitate user-lever barrel removal which resides just centrally below the charging handle slot on the L side:

https://iwi.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/IWI_Carmel_1024x275_0539.jpg

I don't see it in the (rumored) commercial version with the MLok HG:

https://i.imgur.com/O0BywGS.jpg

Can somebody verify if the QD barrel setup is in the commercial model, or did IWI cheap out & ditch it to just press the barrel into the receiver?
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Mil version looks like the ARX160.
Link Posted: 1/15/2023 12:47:03 PM EDT
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I have a request for attendees concerning the Carmel, if it the rumor is true & it shows up.

The military variant has a QD cam lever to facilitate user-lever barrel removal which resides just centrally below the charging handle slot on the L side:

https://iwi.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/IWI_Carmel_1024x275_0539.jpg

I don't see it in the (rumored) commercial version with the MLok HG:

https://i.imgur.com/O0BywGS.jpg

Can somebody verify if the QD barrel setup is in the commercial model, or did IWI cheap out & ditch it to just press the barrel into the receiver?
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That thing is arx level ugly.... actually the arx looks pretty good compared to that.
Link Posted: 1/15/2023 12:47:51 PM EDT
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Mil version looks like the ARX160.
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I have a request for attendees concerning the Carmel, if it the rumor is true & it shows up.

The military variant has a QD cam lever to facilitate user-lever barrel removal which resides just centrally below the charging handle slot on the L side:

https://iwi.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/IWI_Carmel_1024x275_0539.jpg

I don't see it in the (rumored) commercial version with the MLok HG:

https://i.imgur.com/O0BywGS.jpg

Can somebody verify if the QD barrel setup is in the commercial model, or did IWI cheap out & ditch it to just press the barrel into the receiver?


Mil version looks like the ARX160.

My thoughts too.

I like the commercial version, more usable and looks better. Also hope to see the ARAD make its debut too.




Link Posted: 1/15/2023 12:53:24 PM EDT
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I am on my way.

Next stop - Vegas.
Link Posted: 1/15/2023 1:05:16 PM EDT
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That's a sexy looking pistol!
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I'll buy one...........I have a list of stuff I want, and after I get either the IWI Carmel or an MKE 5.56 Roller Lock, I will have one of these
Link Posted: 1/15/2023 1:13:21 PM EDT
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That's a sexy looking pistol!
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Knowing nothing about the internals of this vs a 92, noticed it has an optics cut plate, vs the wierd 92 dovetail things.
Link Posted: 1/15/2023 1:18:44 PM EDT
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Knowing nothing about the internals of this vs a 92, noticed it has an optics cut plate, vs the wierd 92 dovetail things.
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I believe these are a blowback .380
Link Posted: 1/15/2023 1:28:30 PM EDT
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No new handguns in 30 SC?  

A few new .380 guns announced, is .380 gaining in popularity?  I haven't known anyone who had something chambered in .380, nor have I ever shot it.

Recoil going to be about the same between the two?
Link Posted: 1/15/2023 1:45:55 PM EDT
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Will System Defence bet there? Would love to see their belt fed uppers imported.

7.62 upper




5.56







Link Posted: 1/15/2023 1:51:07 PM EDT
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No new handguns in 30 SC?  

A few new .380 guns announced, is .380 gaining in popularity?  I haven't known anyone who had something chambered in .380, nor have I ever shot it.

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.380 has been the pocket carry caliber of choice for a while.
Link Posted: 1/15/2023 3:47:12 PM EDT
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No new handguns in 30 SC?  

A few new .380 guns announced, is .380 gaining in popularity?  I haven't known anyone who had something chambered in .380, nor have I ever shot it.

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.380 recoils light enough that a simple blowback pistol doesn't have to be heavy (as opposed to the Hi-Point 9mm pistol which is so heavy because of the heavier slide needed for its simple blowback action).  

Couple decades or so ago, manufacturers started introducing small .380 pistols using the same tilting barrel mechanism that allows 9mm, .45acp, and various other pistols to be made without a heavy slide to handle the recoil.  That allowed .380 to move into the small pocket pistol category, making the caliber more even attractive for carry use.

Link Posted: 1/15/2023 3:58:21 PM EDT
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I’m certainly not sure of it, but will speculate that is a piston gun that takes a 416 handguard.
Link Posted: 1/15/2023 4:09:45 PM EDT
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I’m certainly not sure of it, but will speculate that is a piston gun that takes a 416 handguard.
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My first thought as well was a 416 type upper
Link Posted: 1/15/2023 4:18:27 PM EDT
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I like that Box Cheetah.

I’ve almost bought a surplus 84 several times but the 80x would be an easy buy.
Link Posted: 1/15/2023 4:54:46 PM EDT
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Next-Gen Beretta Cheetah: The NEW 80X

Next-Gen Beretta Cheetah: The NEW 80X
Link Posted: 1/15/2023 5:08:12 PM EDT
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I'd like to see whatever is available on the ZENK RZMK-357 bullpup revolver.  I'm very curious about all of the questions the render doesn't answer.  Ugly and useless, maybe, but cant hep but be intrigued.   TFB article claims they'll have a shot booth.

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/Wheelgun-Wednesday-Zenk-RZMK-357-Revolver-3.png

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That will be an awesome collector piece in the future.

Will there be a bullpup carbine version as well?  Probably get that before a Glock carbine
Link Posted: 1/15/2023 6:19:09 PM EDT
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I was really hoping for a MDRX chassis that takes their quadstack magazine.
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I was really hoping for a MDRX chassis that takes their quadstack magazine.


That would be glorious
Link Posted: 1/15/2023 6:19:51 PM EDT
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I'd like to see whatever is available on the ZENK RZMK-357 bullpup revolver.  I'm very curious about all of the questions the render doesn't answer.  Ugly and useless, maybe, but cant hep but be intrigued.   TFB article claims they'll have a shot booth.

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/Wheelgun-Wednesday-Zenk-RZMK-357-Revolver-3.png

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I want that to succeed. 4" .357 in the size of a 2.25".
Link Posted: 1/15/2023 6:23:06 PM EDT
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No new handguns in 30 SC?  

A few new .380 guns announced, is .380 gaining in popularity?  I haven't known anyone who had something chambered in .380, nor have I ever shot it.

Recoil going to be about the same between the two?
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Really hope we see more .30SC pistols. Its a neat cartridge and right now price is quite reasonable.

If we don't see more pistols offered, it bodes ill for the fate of the cartridge.
Link Posted: 1/15/2023 9:35:47 PM EDT
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.380 recoils light enough that a simple blowback pistol doesn't have to be heavy (as opposed to the Hi-Point 9mm pistol which is so heavy because of the heavier slide needed for its simple blowback action).  

Couple decades or so ago, manufacturers started introducing the Swedish-American firearms genius George Kellgren of Kel-Tec designed a small .380 pistol using the same tilting barrel mechanism that allows 9mm, .45acp, and various other pistols to be made without a heavy slide to handle the recoil.  Taurus and Ruger copied the design so closely the Ruger slide will fit on the KelTec frame.  That allowed .380 to move into the small pocket pistol category, making the caliber more even attractive for carry use.
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A few new .380 guns announced, is .380 gaining in popularity?  I haven't known anyone who had something chambered in .380, nor have I ever shot it.

Recoil going to be about the same between the two?


.380 recoils light enough that a simple blowback pistol doesn't have to be heavy (as opposed to the Hi-Point 9mm pistol which is so heavy because of the heavier slide needed for its simple blowback action).  

Couple decades or so ago, manufacturers started introducing the Swedish-American firearms genius George Kellgren of Kel-Tec designed a small .380 pistol using the same tilting barrel mechanism that allows 9mm, .45acp, and various other pistols to be made without a heavy slide to handle the recoil.  Taurus and Ruger copied the design so closely the Ruger slide will fit on the KelTec frame.  That allowed .380 to move into the small pocket pistol category, making the caliber more even attractive for carry use.


FIFY.

Recoil btwn .30 SC & 9x19mm is comparable, .30 SC will have a little more recoil than .380 ACP in an otherwise identical gun.
Link Posted: 1/15/2023 10:21:29 PM EDT
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Range Day is tomorrow. Be sure to post good photo/videos uploaders/sites if you find them
Link Posted: 1/15/2023 10:55:49 PM EDT
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New P320 Legion - looks like a ported X5 length slide on an AXG frame
Link Posted: 1/15/2023 11:19:51 PM EDT
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Details on the NEW Beretta 80X Cheetah .380 Pistol [SHOT Show 2023]
Link Posted: 1/15/2023 11:25:38 PM EDT
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My thoughts too.

I like the commercial version, more usable and looks better. Also hope to see the ARAD make its debut too.

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/65378/F392E848-0225-4C56-A0A7-79DE0BA33FB0-2672974.jpg


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I want both.
Link Posted: 1/15/2023 11:26:15 PM EDT
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Next-Gen Beretta Cheetah: The NEW 80X

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Solid marketing move - 2024 will yield a slick dust cover and beautiful bluing.

I’ll be a buyer of the 80x, in some fashion
Link Posted: 1/16/2023 9:38:23 AM EDT
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Solid marketing move - 2024 will yield a slick dust cover and beautiful bluing.

I’ll be a buyer of the 80x, in some fashion
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Next-Gen Beretta Cheetah: The NEW 80X

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncyLxSUkKMo

Solid marketing move - 2024 will yield a slick dust cover and beautiful bluing.

I’ll be a buyer of the 80x, in some fashion


The 84F is such an underrated handgun. I'll be buying one of these.
Link Posted: 1/16/2023 10:49:18 AM EDT
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Smith & Wesson is changing the way we suppress the AR-15
Link Posted: 1/16/2023 11:05:02 AM EDT
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Although I like Vegas and love Shot Show - there is one thing that annoys me.

I have travelled quite a bit. Stayed in some sketchy "budget" hotels and motels. Yet they all managed to put a coffee machine in the room.

Then you have Vegas hotels. They charge a "resort fee" which is often more than the price of the room. But no coffee machine. You have to schlep down to the Casino and pay $5 for a cup.

Don't use the coffee machine in hotel rooms. God only knows what previous guests have done to it, and hotels don't clean them. People are nasty.

https://preview.redd.it/sjygv1b4n5l91.jpg?auto=webp&s=63f4e3b4909a1160d43c9484b4566d008c9540ad

JFC.
I'm so glad my employer gives me a daily allowance with zero questions asked.

Kharn
Link Posted: 1/16/2023 11:34:23 AM EDT
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That G-VAC system looks neat, if it's not just a gimmick.
Link Posted: 1/16/2023 12:04:01 PM EDT
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The 84F is such an underrated handgun. I'll be buying one of these.
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Next-Gen Beretta Cheetah: The NEW 80X

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncyLxSUkKMo

Solid marketing move - 2024 will yield a slick dust cover and beautiful bluing.

I’ll be a buyer of the 80x, in some fashion


The 84F is such an underrated handgun. I'll be buying one of these.


Prior 84 mags don't work per tfb.  One downside.
Link Posted: 1/16/2023 12:58:04 PM EDT
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NEW SIG P320 AXG Comp Legion Pistol

NEW SIG P320 AXG Comp Legion Pistol [SHOT Show 2023]



A Budget Beretta 1301? The NEW A300 Ultima Shotgun

A Budget Beretta 1301? The NEW A300 Ultima Shotgun
Link Posted: 1/16/2023 2:05:35 PM EDT
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Sweet, but that optic looks crazy high.
Link Posted: 1/16/2023 2:17:53 PM EDT
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Cool but its really fucking hard for me to get too excited about a $6k+ pistol that doesn't really fill any practical need in my arsenal beyond pure novelty
Link Posted: 1/16/2023 2:20:38 PM EDT
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Prior 84 mags don't work per tfb.  One downside.
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Next-Gen Beretta Cheetah: The NEW 80X

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncyLxSUkKMo

Solid marketing move - 2024 will yield a slick dust cover and beautiful bluing.

I'll be a buyer of the 80x, in some fashion


The 84F is such an underrated handgun. I'll be buying one of these.


Prior 84 mags don't work per tfb.  One downside.
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Can you get clarification on this?  If older Beretta 84 mags will / will not work in the 80X?
Link Posted: 1/16/2023 2:22:06 PM EDT
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NEW SIG P320 AXG Comp Legion Pistol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZTxcqW93N8


A Budget Beretta 1301? The NEW A300 Ultima Shotgun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5bGaGX22Zs
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A300 tactical made in TN.

That makes me very Leary. With the shit Beretta has been cranking out and the poor CS I would be very apprehensive to try any of these.

They do look good tho.
Link Posted: 1/16/2023 2:34:59 PM EDT
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Because it's not mounted to the slide.
Link Posted: 1/16/2023 2:49:38 PM EDT
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Can you get clarification on this?  If older Beretta 84 mags will / will not work in the 80X?
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Next-Gen Beretta Cheetah: The NEW 80X

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncyLxSUkKMo

Solid marketing move - 2024 will yield a slick dust cover and beautiful bluing.

I'll be a buyer of the 80x, in some fashion


The 84F is such an underrated handgun. I'll be buying one of these.


Prior 84 mags don't work per tfb.  One downside.
@Subnet

Can you get clarification on this?  If older Beretta 84 mags will / will not work in the 80X?


It’s in the video that was posted. New mags (and feed ramp, etc) to better handle new defensive ammo.
Link Posted: 1/16/2023 5:09:34 PM EDT
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Oh please let this happen at a much lower price than the MCR. I have a ton of M27 links sitting around waiting to be used
Link Posted: 1/16/2023 5:25:23 PM EDT
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Shadow Systems DR920L
SHOT Show 2023: Introducing the DR920L
Link Posted: 1/16/2023 5:30:07 PM EDT
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New Holosun SCS-320. Fits the P320 factory cut, and DPP cuts
Link Posted: 1/16/2023 5:37:52 PM EDT
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I totally forgot SHOT is going on.

Flew into Vegas this morning and it was nothing but OD and FDE backpacks, velcro patches on black jackets, and 46x30 pants clogging up the Uber waiting area.

Looked in vain for the BFL infringements
Link Posted: 1/16/2023 5:43:36 PM EDT
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I hope they have more than that...
Link Posted: 1/16/2023 5:59:53 PM EDT
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Oh please let this happen at a much lower price than the MCR. I have a ton of M27 links sitting around waiting to be used
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I don’t think anyone is importing any System Defence firearms into US at this time. Their C9 pistol is sold in other countries such as the Philippines however.
Link Posted: 1/16/2023 6:07:14 PM EDT
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A Budget Beretta 1301? The NEW A300 Ultima Shotgun

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Link Posted: 1/16/2023 6:11:02 PM EDT
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They are up on the Beretta website already.

Here's the Tiger Stripe he mentioned in the video:




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