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Posted: 11/3/2015 10:59:36 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not necessarily. Our major characters have been told that and certainly have witnessed much evidence to support it, but we don't know with 100% certainty that there aren't a tiny percentage of folks who are either naturally immune or were somehow never exposed (since we really don't know the origin). IF (and I personally do NOT think this is where the writer's are headed, FTR) there are such "immunes" among the population, given the SOP adopted by the survivors at this point in the story (ensure head trauma for all dead and undead alike) how would our intrepid crew even discover that? The vast majority of folks dead from natural causes at this point would have been (1) brained by their peers if they are part of a group, (2) found and eaten by walkers if they are not, or (3) squirreled away unfound somewhere. Just a passing thought... again, not where I think all this is going.  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: ... Remember that if somebody dies they come back no matter what, as a walker... Not necessarily. Our major characters have been told that and certainly have witnessed much evidence to support it, but we don't know with 100% certainty that there aren't a tiny percentage of folks who are either naturally immune or were somehow never exposed (since we really don't know the origin). IF (and I personally do NOT think this is where the writer's are headed, FTR) there are such "immunes" among the population, given the SOP adopted by the survivors at this point in the story (ensure head trauma for all dead and undead alike) how would our intrepid crew even discover that? The vast majority of folks dead from natural causes at this point would have been (1) brained by their peers if they are part of a group, (2) found and eaten by walkers if they are not, or (3) squirreled away unfound somewhere. Just a passing thought... again, not where I think all this is going. I've wondered if "immunes" would be something to make an appearance at some point. It'd probably have to be a case where someone was bitten in the past but survived it, with obvious healed scars at the wound site as proof. Alternatively, someone could get bitten and decide to stay behind to cover the group's retreat, only to show up alive weeks or months later. Either would be interesting, but I also have my doubts that the show will include characters like that. |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 11:10:16 AM EST
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Wow, never thought of that. Idk if these holes were left in the plot on purpose or if they didn't think about this when writing it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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... Remember that if somebody dies they come back no matter what, as a walker... Not necessarily. Our major characters have been told that and certainly have witnessed much evidence to support it, but we don't know with 100% certainty that there aren't a tiny percentage of folks who are either naturally immune or were somehow never exposed (since we really don't know the origin). IF (and I personally do NOT think this is where the writer's are headed, FTR) there are such "immunes" among the population, given the SOP adopted by the survivors at this point in the story (ensure head trauma for all dead and undead alike) how would our intrepid crew even discover that? The vast majority of folks dead from natural causes at this point would have been (1) brained by their peers if they are part of a group, (2) found and eaten by walkers if they are not, or (3) squirreled away unfound somewhere. Just a passing thought... again, not where I think all this is going. Wow, never thought of that. Idk if these holes were left in the plot on purpose or if they didn't think about this when writing it. Dude, just stop. Morgan explained it in the very first episode. His wife was bitten, she lived until the fever killed her and then she turned. Bite=fever=death=zombie ETA: quoted the right person but wrong post and I'm too lazy to fix it. 
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Posted: 11/3/2015 11:57:55 AM EST
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Not necessarily. Our major characters have been told that and certainly have witnessed much evidence to support it, but we don't know with 100% certainty that there aren't a tiny percentage of folks who are either naturally immune or were somehow never exposed (since we really don't know the origin). IF (and I personally do NOT think this is where the writer's are headed, FTR) there are such "immunes" among the population, given the SOP adopted by the survivors at this point in the story (ensure head trauma for all dead and undead alike) how would our intrepid crew even discover that? The vast majority of folks dead from natural causes at this point would have been (1) brained by their peers if they are part of a group, (2) found and eaten by walkers if they are not, or (3) squirreled away unfound somewhere. Just a passing thought... again, not where I think all this is going. It was a huge mistake to let Dr. Jenner commit suicide and allow the CDC research to go up in flames. Monumental mistake. There has got to be other U.S. Facilities and people still alive who could carry on research. Something tells me that sooner or later Rick and his crew will venture into Washington D.C. and learn that there is some facility still operational. I also think we'll find out that Rick's daughter is immune. |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 12:00:47 PM EST
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I've wondered if "immunes" would be something to make an appearance at some point. It'd probably have to be a case where someone was bitten in the past but survived it, with obvious healed scars at the wound site as proof. Alternatively, someone could get bitten and decide to stay behind to cover the group's retreat, only to show up alive weeks or months later. Either would be interesting, but I also have my doubts that the show will include characters like that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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... Remember that if somebody dies they come back no matter what, as a walker... Not necessarily. Our major characters have been told that and certainly have witnessed much evidence to support it, but we don't know with 100% certainty that there aren't a tiny percentage of folks who are either naturally immune or were somehow never exposed (since we really don't know the origin). IF (and I personally do NOT think this is where the writer's are headed, FTR) there are such "immunes" among the population, given the SOP adopted by the survivors at this point in the story (ensure head trauma for all dead and undead alike) how would our intrepid crew even discover that? The vast majority of folks dead from natural causes at this point would have been (1) brained by their peers if they are part of a group, (2) found and eaten by walkers if they are not, or (3) squirreled away unfound somewhere. Just a passing thought... again, not where I think all this is going. I've wondered if "immunes" would be something to make an appearance at some point. It'd probably have to be a case where someone was bitten in the past but survived it, with obvious healed scars at the wound site as proof. Alternatively, someone could get bitten and decide to stay behind to cover the group's retreat, only to show up alive weeks or months later. Either would be interesting, but I also have my doubts that the show will include characters like that. See, the problem would be anything that would normally kill you leaves you dead, just not reanimated. So, a zombie bite would still cause fatal septic shock. You just don't reanimate. The only way to tell would be if somebody developed a reagent to test blood for the zombie virus, and manage to live long enough to test more people than the CDC was able to so you can find the 0.001% of people who are immune. Then what are they going to do? Form a community and wait for Rick to show up and get all of them killed? But, there's just too much to go that way for the show. |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 12:03:12 PM EST
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I still see Jenner and the CDC as an unneeded and thematically dangerous decision for the writers to have made. It gave a little too much pseudo logic to the magical walking corpse mcguffin. I'm glad he blew up along with the CDC and they kept that whole episode as almost a standalone monster of the week side deal than a big functional part of the overall story.
I know there are folks who watch who want answers and cures and logic, but sometimes those things can get in the way of the story... or even worse they can start to drive the story and paint the writers into too many corners. I'd rather the Rickafire Explosion have no answers and lots of adventures than have answers and boring logical reasoning. I know others disagree with me but poor decision making based on unsound knowledge makes for exciting TV. |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 12:15:14 PM EST
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I still see Jenner and the CDC as an unneeded and thematically dangerous decision for the writers to have made. It gave a little too much pseudo logic to the magical walking corpse mcguffin. I'm glad he blew up along with the CDC and they kept that whole episode as almost a standalone monster of the week side deal than a big functional part of the overall story. I know there are folks who watch who want answers and cures and logic, but sometimes those things can get in the way of the story... or even worse they can start to drive the story and paint the writers into too many corners. I'd rather the Rickafire Explosion have no answers and lots of adventures than have answers and boring logical reasoning. I know others disagree with me but poor decision making based on unsound knowledge makes for exciting TV. midichlorians. Its all the midichlorians. |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 12:18:50 PM EST
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I still see Jenner and the CDC as an unneeded and thematically dangerous decision for the writers to have made. It gave a little too much pseudo logic to the magical walking corpse mcguffin. I'm glad he blew up along with the CDC and they kept that whole episode as almost a standalone monster of the week side deal than a big functional part of the overall story. I know there are folks who watch who want answers and cures and logic, but sometimes those things can get in the way of the story... or even worse they can start to drive the story and paint the writers into too many corners. I'd rather the Rickafire Explosion have no answers and lots of adventures than have answers and boring logical reasoning. I know others disagree with me but poor decision making based on unsound knowledge makes for exciting TV. I, for one, couldn't agree more.
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Posted: 11/3/2015 12:42:46 PM EST
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Is it just me, or is the Wolf that Morgan locked in the house look an awful lot like Nick Clark (aka doper-kid) from Fear the Walking Dead? If so, there's a pretty interesting story building. Like how he got from a boat off the coast of California all the way to Alexandria...and hooked up with the Wolves. No he really really doesn't. But I get the confusion all white people look the same. |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 1:01:14 PM EST
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I still see Jenner and the CDC as an unneeded and thematically dangerous decision for the writers to have made. It gave a little too much pseudo logic to the magical walking corpse mcguffin. I'm glad he blew up along with the CDC and they kept that whole episode as almost a standalone monster of the week side deal than a big functional part of the overall story. I know there are folks who watch who want answers and cures and logic, but sometimes those things can get in the way of the story... or even worse they can start to drive the story and paint the writers into too many corners. I'd rather the Rickafire Explosion have no answers and lots of adventures than have answers and boring logical reasoning. I know others disagree with me but poor decision making based on unsound knowledge makes for exciting TV. I wish they had saved the CDC stuff for maybe later. Now they have the CDC blown up, Gene(Mullet) giving false hope of a cure but at some point the group has to wonder what's going on in the rest of the world and what about other governments and this is also where FTWD will have to be careful with how other parts of the world are handling it. They've shown military and doctors. It's still hard to make the brain turn off why someone in a higher lab isn't trying to solve the problem but back to Ricks group I think the writers will have to come up with something or end the show. There's only so many times you can be ran out of your home, kill characters off and then find a new home, rinse and repeat. I think the "immunes" would make an interesting plot twist for down the line. Even if the group can't figure out why the person is immune but if all there is to life is die and then come back to try and kill your friends and family only to have to burden them with killing you, it may be best to throw one last bon fire bbq and everyone drink the red kool aide |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 1:05:25 PM EST
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I still see Jenner and the CDC as an unneeded and thematically dangerous decision for the writers to have made. It gave a little too much pseudo logic to the magical walking corpse mcguffin. I'm glad he blew up along with the CDC and they kept that whole episode as almost a standalone monster of the week side deal than a big functional part of the overall story. I know there are folks who watch who want answers and cures and logic, but sometimes those things can get in the way of the story... or even worse they can start to drive the story and paint the writers into too many corners. I'd rather the Rickafire Explosion have no answers and lots of adventures than have answers and boring logical reasoning. I know others disagree with me but poor decision making based on unsound knowledge makes for exciting TV. You're right about it getting in the way of the story. Kirkman the creator of the comic book had to explicitly state in his comics that he would never reveal the source of the zombies virus because he didn't care and it was a waste of time. http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/Continuity His point was talking about why would bog down the story and it doesn't matter. Everyone needs to just let it go, throw their hands up in the air and go magic and move on or you're gonna enjoy the show an the comic a hell of a lot less. Being immune wouldn't be even slightly interesting or do anything plot wise. So what you can stop burning the corpses? Who does that even help. Let it go and move on. |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 2:22:55 PM EST
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I still see Jenner and the CDC as an unneeded and thematically dangerous decision for the writers to have made. It gave a little too much pseudo logic to the magical walking corpse mcguffin. I'm glad he blew up along with the CDC and they kept that whole episode as almost a standalone monster of the week side deal than a big functional part of the overall story. I know there are folks who watch who want answers and cures and logic, but sometimes those things can get in the way of the story... or even worse they can start to drive the story and paint the writers into too many corners. I'd rather the Rickafire Explosion have no answers and lots of adventures than have answers and boring logical reasoning. I know others disagree with me but poor decision making based on unsound knowledge makes for exciting TV. Agreed |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 2:26:37 PM EST
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I've come to the conclusion that this episode was for done for all the Morgan fanbois the show has. Everything in that episode could have been exposed in another way in less than 15 minutes. We get it...Morgan is one of the last vessels of (conflicted) walking humanity on the show but we didn't need 90 minutes of backstory with Donatello. The episode was also a good excuse for a budget episode as well. Only one main character, one special guest character and four extra characters and a goat to pay.
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Posted: 11/3/2015 2:58:20 PM EST
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I've come to the conclusion that this episode was for done for all the Morgan fanbois the show has... Also, don't dismiss J's earlier comment about having an "Emmy-worthy" episode to submit. Your average TWD episode will never garner the support of the average Emmy voter, but this My (Aikido and goat cheese) Dinner with Andre' episode might get some attention and buzz. JMHO. |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 3:02:55 PM EST
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So, my inter web crashed during the final minute of the show, right after the W tells Morgan he's gonna kill the whole town, because that is his code.
Morgan stands up and then it crashed. Did he have a response? Did he hit him? Was it just a long awkward silence? |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 3:07:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: True. Slice or bite, the end result was the same. https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/3a/ee/85/3aee85eb9782028cb6e4e3209a5a18e1.jpg All thanks to Morgan... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Captured wolf will be the mechanism for the group to learn about the wolves, I think they will attempt to let him join after hearing his story and he will betray them. I think the episode was pretty good form and acting, writing and storytelling standpoint just not needed. It killed some of the momentum of the season. I think they are Emmy award hunting with this episode. Wrong. Not only is he part of the group that terrorized their homestead and murdered several citizens, but he's been bitten. He's dead weight. If they're smart, they'll lead him to believe they can treat his wound in exchange for actionable intel, and then dispose of his savage-ass. ETA: No. More. Half-measures. Looked like a slice...not a bite... True. Slice or bite, the end result was the same. https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/3a/ee/85/3aee85eb9782028cb6e4e3209a5a18e1.jpg All thanks to Morgan... Just wondering if they cut the "wolves" that do the assault...and will only give them meds if they come back with "prizes" from the raid. That's why they "have no choice." It's do it or die a slow, painful death. |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 3:07:02 PM EST
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So, my inter web crashed during the final minute of the show, right after the W tells Morgan he's gonna kill the whole town, because that is his code. Morgan stands up and then it crashed. Did he have a response? Did he hit him? Was it just a long awkward silence? He looked as if he was going to hit/end him but stopped, walked out the door and hesitated looking at the door to lock it before doing so. Rick can be heard seconds later yelling for someone to open the gate with Morgan hearing him, en fin. |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 3:41:34 PM EST
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Here's a possibility for the wolf:
>Wolf says he'll play nice >Morgan let's him go; he goes crazy >Kills a few extras >Kills Judith >Coral kills the wolf >Morgan flings himself to the ground >Screams, "Kill me! Kill me!" |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 3:47:08 PM EST
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He looked as if he was going to hit/end him but stopped, walked out the door and hesitated looking at the door to lock it before doing so. Rick can be heard seconds later yelling for someone to open the gate with Morgan hearing him, en fin. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So, my inter web crashed during the final minute of the show, right after the W tells Morgan he's gonna kill the whole town, because that is his code. Morgan stands up and then it crashed. Did he have a response? Did he hit him? Was it just a long awkward silence? He looked as if he was going to hit/end him but stopped, walked out the door and hesitated looking at the door to lock it before doing so. Rick can be heard seconds later yelling for someone to open the gate with Morgan hearing him, en fin. Thanks! |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 3:52:11 PM EST
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Here's a possibility for the wolf: >Wolf says he'll play nice >Morgan let's him go; he goes crazy >Kills a few extras >Kills Judith >Coral kills the wolf >Morgan flings himself to the ground >Screams, "Kill me! Kill me!" >Rick will have his gun out pointed at Morgan's head, all blubber eyed with his hand waivering, not wanting to kill his friend but visibly torn >In comes Carol out of nowhere and full on "Robert from Red Dawn" caps Morgan in the face >Patrick Swayze nods his approval from beyond the grave. |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 4:16:25 PM EST
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>Rick will have his gun out pointed at Morgan's head, all blubber eyed with his hand waivering, not wanting to kill his friend but visibly torn >In comes Carol out of nowhere and full on "Robert from Red Dawn" caps Morgan in the face >Patrick Swayze nods his approval from beyond the grave. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Here's a possibility for the wolf: >Wolf says he'll play nice >Morgan let's him go; he goes crazy >Kills a few extras >Kills Judith >Coral kills the wolf >Morgan flings himself to the ground >Screams, "Kill me! Kill me!" >Rick will have his gun out pointed at Morgan's head, all blubber eyed with his hand waivering, not wanting to kill his friend but visibly torn >In comes Carol out of nowhere and full on "Robert from Red Dawn" caps Morgan in the face >Patrick Swayze nods his approval from beyond the grave.  
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Posted: 11/3/2015 4:39:26 PM EST
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It was a huge mistake to let Dr. Jenner commit suicide and allow the CDC research to go up in flames. Monumental mistake. There has got to be other U.S. Facilities and people still alive who could carry on research. Something tells me that sooner or later Rick and his crew will venture into Washington D.C. and learn that there is some facility still operational. I also think we'll find out that Rick's daughter is immune. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not necessarily. Our major characters have been told that and certainly have witnessed much evidence to support it, but we don't know with 100% certainty that there aren't a tiny percentage of folks who are either naturally immune or were somehow never exposed (since we really don't know the origin). IF (and I personally do NOT think this is where the writer's are headed, FTR) there are such "immunes" among the population, given the SOP adopted by the survivors at this point in the story (ensure head trauma for all dead and undead alike) how would our intrepid crew even discover that? The vast majority of folks dead from natural causes at this point would have been (1) brained by their peers if they are part of a group, (2) found and eaten by walkers if they are not, or (3) squirreled away unfound somewhere. Just a passing thought... again, not where I think all this is going. It was a huge mistake to let Dr. Jenner commit suicide and allow the CDC research to go up in flames. Monumental mistake. There has got to be other U.S. Facilities and people still alive who could carry on research. Something tells me that sooner or later Rick and his crew will venture into Washington D.C. and learn that there is some facility still operational. I also think we'll find out that Rick's daughter is immune. it wasn't a mistake, they had zero input. he'd already started the countdown when they arrived, they were just lucky he told them so they could flee before being blown up too. with just a week to rest and refit there, they could have salvaged humvees and other vehicles, loaded up on food and ammo and been in much better shape to leave atlanta |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 5:00:51 PM EST
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The trope also was the whole "super computer big brother says die" thing. Jenner had no control over the self destruct, the computer automatically started it due to power loss on the backup generators. If you want to get nitpicky Jenner could have left with the Rickafire Explosion, there was nothing keeping him in the building... he had just hit his limit. He knew that without all his fancy computers and lab equipment, that were going to go up in flames beyond his control, that his capacity to research and find a cure would be severely limited if not completely negated. Could Jenner have been some sort of pre-NewGene NewGene that they drug along in the faint hope of continuing his research? Sure. But the man was morose and more or less suicidal from the loss of his work, his colleagues, his wife and soon his home / lab / research. Had they drug him out by his hair he would have most likely eaten a pistol as soon as no one was watching him for more than five minutes.
Suffice it to say the whole Jenner / CDC thing was a shaky premise that served its purpose at the time. The whole setup was more or less an excuse to give Ricky some pseudo scientific exposition and to kill off another one of the black cast. |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 5:43:14 PM EST
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One thing about Eastman's story. When he starved the psychopath to death, he then leaves for home in Atlanta. That's when he finds out that everything has collapsed. Since it took 47 days for him to die, and about a month for things to fall apart, it looks like he caught the psycho, put him in the cell, and up to about two weeks later the outbreak goes hot. Why is this relevant? The psycho died after the outbreak started, but did not turn. There's some lag time with whether or not you will turn after being killed at the beginning of the outbreak. So, whatever contagion causes this, it must have spread silently very quickly. But if you were quarantined effectively, you may be spared. So I don't think the contagion spread over a long period of time, and not everyone will necessarily have it. Oh, and I really liked this episode. I thought it was a great example of how resilient people can be and how they can adopt different viewpoints when faced with the same situation. Even though Eastman took a Life Positive path, he was no coward, or limp-wristed pussy. He had no trouble dispatching walkers and was not scared. Even when bit he kept things together. He struck me as someone calm and collected, not losing his water over shit. I mean, look at his place. He had his shit together. If the Curse of Morgan had not occurred, he would have perfected his goat cheese recipe, and maybe that young couple that Morgan met in the woods would have showed up instead, and the three of them could have lived and had a good run. 
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Posted: 11/3/2015 6:31:06 PM EST
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>Rick will have his gun out pointed at Morgan's head, all blubber eyed with his hand waivering, not wanting to kill his friend but visibly torn >In comes Carol out of nowhere and full on "Robert from Red Dawn" caps Morgan in the face >Patrick Swayze nods his approval from beyond the grave. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Here's a possibility for the wolf: >Wolf says he'll play nice >Morgan let's him go; he goes crazy >Kills a few extras >Kills Judith >Coral kills the wolf >Morgan flings himself to the ground >Screams, "Kill me! Kill me!" >Rick will have his gun out pointed at Morgan's head, all blubber eyed with his hand waivering, not wanting to kill his friend but visibly torn >In comes Carol out of nowhere and full on "Robert from Red Dawn" caps Morgan in the face >Patrick Swayze nods his approval from beyond the grave. 
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Posted: 11/3/2015 6:53:36 PM EST
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I think Morgan's primary issue with rehabbing his captive Wolf is the fact that Morgan is not a forensic psychiatrist.
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Posted: 11/3/2015 7:46:01 PM EST
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So, I wonder if the captured wolf will end up killing Judith, causing Morgan to kill the wolf and get back into the "clear" mode? Then Morgan could take Judith's body back to Rick, giving Morgan the opportunity to hold a baby again. Didn't Morgan already hold Judith before the Wolf attack episode? |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 7:56:45 PM EST
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So, I wonder if the captured wolf will end up killing Judith, causing Morgan to kill the wolf and get back into the "clear" mode? Then Morgan could take Judith's body back to Rick, giving Morgan the opportunity to hold a baby again. Didn't Morgan already hold Judith before the Wolf attack episode? Yep. |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 8:07:55 PM EST
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I've come to the conclusion that this episode was for done for all the Morgan fanbois the show has. Everything in that episode could have been exposed in another way in less than 15 minutes. We get it...Morgan is one of the last vessels of (conflicted) walking humanity on the show but we didn't need 90 minutes of backstory with Donatello. The episode was also a good excuse for a budget episode as well. Only one main character, one special guest character and four extra characters and a goat to pay. Stab, stab, stab, kill, kill, kill, Hulk smash! Now that makes a good TV show! Character development is for faggots. |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 8:15:51 PM EST
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Again Andrea's sister's neck was ripped out by a walker. Pretty fatal if you ask me Her bite really looked like it was more on the trapezoid/collar bone to me. The image from the comics is great. 
Kind of difficult to determine if the show was trying to sell her death as from blood loss or the fever. They didn't say anything about a fever in her death scene as I recall. Although you may be right about them not actually *showing* any fever deaths on the show (the closest I can think of is the two scratched security guards in 18 Miles Out, back before everyone knew they were all carrying the virus), I don't think it means anything. There is plenty of anecdotal and implied evidence. Any bite or scratch starts a fever that is always fatal. I don't think the writers are trying to pull one over on us in regards to that. |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 9:11:28 PM EST
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Stab, stab, stab, kill, kill, kill, Hulk smash! Now that makes a good TV show! Character development is for faggots. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've come to the conclusion that this episode was for done for all the Morgan fanbois the show has. Everything in that episode could have been exposed in another way in less than 15 minutes. We get it...Morgan is one of the last vessels of (conflicted) walking humanity on the show but we didn't need 90 minutes of backstory with Donatello. The episode was also a good excuse for a budget episode as well. Only one main character, one special guest character and four extra characters and a goat to pay. Stab, stab, stab, kill, kill, kill, Hulk smash! Now that makes a good TV show! Character development is for faggots. character development is good. predictable, uncreative character development is boring. |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 10:23:28 PM EST
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I've wondered if "immunes" would be something to make an appearance at some point. It'd probably have to be a case where someone was bitten in the past but survived it, with obvious healed scars at the wound site as proof. Alternatively, someone could get bitten and decide to stay behind to cover the group's retreat, only to show up alive weeks or months later. Either would be interesting, but I also have my doubts that the show will include characters like that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 11/3/2015 10:32:00 PM EST
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Posted: 11/3/2015 10:41:46 PM EST
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One thing about Eastman's story. When he starved the psychopath to death, he then leaves for home in Atlanta. That's when he finds out that everything has collapsed. Since it took 47 days for him to die, and about a month for things to fall apart, it looks like he caught the psycho, put him in the cell, and up to about two weeks later the outbreak goes hot. Why is this relevant? The psycho died after the outbreak started, but did not turn. There's some lag time with whether or not you will turn after being killed at the beginning of the outbreak. So, whatever contagion causes this, it must have spread silently very quickly. But if you were quarantined effectively, you may be spared. So I don't think the contagion spread over a long period of time, and not everyone will necessarily have it. Oh, and I really liked this episode. I thought it was a great example of how resilient people can be and how they can adopt different viewpoints when faced with the same situation. Even though Eastman took a Life Positive path, he was no coward, or limp-wristed pussy. He had no trouble dispatching walkers and was not scared. Even when bit he kept things together. He struck me as someone calm and collected, not losing his water over shit. I mean, look at his place. He had his shit together. If the Curse of Morgan had not occurred, he would have perfected his goat cheese recipe, and maybe that young couple that Morgan met in the woods would have showed up instead, and the three of them could have lived and had a good run. I think he died before the outbreak started. However, it's possible that he was buried before he had a chance to reanimate. |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 11:43:35 PM EST
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I've come to the conclusion that this episode was for done for all the Morgan fanbois the show has. Everything in that episode could have been exposed in another way in less than 15 minutes. We get it...Morgan is one of the last vessels of (conflicted) walking humanity on the show but we didn't need 90 minutes of backstory with Donatello. The episode was also a good excuse for a budget episode as well. Only one main character, one special guest character and four extra characters and a goat to pay. Stab, stab, stab, kill, kill, kill, Hulk smash! Now that makes a good TV show! Character development is for faggots. character development is good. predictable, uncreative character development is boring. Looks like I got your goat... |
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Posted: 11/4/2015 12:14:24 AM EST
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Man, the cheese maker just played John Wayne Gacy on American Horror Story this week. Yes, and he was really good in that role too. He was also Twisty the clown last season. 
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Posted: 11/4/2015 12:27:46 AM EST
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Posted: 11/4/2015 12:30:09 AM EST
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Posted: 11/4/2015 12:40:56 AM EST
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Her bite really looked like it was more on the trapezoid/collar bone to me. The image from the comics is great. https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/a1/8b/50/a18b5031ae841401db7237cda45e3d48.jpg Kind of difficult to determine if the show was trying to sell her death as from blood loss or the fever. They didn't say anything about a fever in her death scene as I recall. Although you may be right about them not actually *showing* any fever deaths on the show (the closest I can think of is the two scratched security guards in 18 Miles Out, back before everyone knew they were all carrying the virus), I don't think it means anything. There is plenty of anecdotal and implied evidence. Any bite or scratch starts a fever that is always fatal. I don't think the writers are trying to pull one over on us in regards to that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Again Andrea's sister's neck was ripped out by a walker. Pretty fatal if you ask me Her bite really looked like it was more on the trapezoid/collar bone to me. The image from the comics is great. https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/a1/8b/50/a18b5031ae841401db7237cda45e3d48.jpg Kind of difficult to determine if the show was trying to sell her death as from blood loss or the fever. They didn't say anything about a fever in her death scene as I recall. Although you may be right about them not actually *showing* any fever deaths on the show (the closest I can think of is the two scratched security guards in 18 Miles Out, back before everyone knew they were all carrying the virus), I don't think it means anything. There is plenty of anecdotal and implied evidence. Any bite or scratch starts a fever that is always fatal. I don't think the writers are trying to pull one over on us in regards to that. Jim was the first fever death on the show I think |
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Posted: 11/4/2015 1:46:37 AM EST
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If Eastman had been so isolated how did he know a walker bite was a death sentence?
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Posted: 11/4/2015 6:50:10 AM EST
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If Eastman had been so isolated how did he know a walker bite was a death sentence? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Probably found out when he went back to Atlanta to turn himself in. |
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Posted: 11/4/2015 7:49:14 AM EST
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John Carrol Lynch - not a member of Tenacious D: http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTI3NjM3MDg4N15BMl5BanBnXkFtZTYwNDk5NDMz._V1_SX640_SY720_.jpg Walt's Barber in Gran Torino Kyle Gass of Tenacious D: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9b/Kyle_Gass.jpg I can see how you might confuse the two. Kyle was hilarious in Elf. Lynch was Frances McDormand's husband in Fargo. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I liked last night's episode. My takeaways from it were: - Lenny James is a great actor - The other guy from Tenacious D is also a great actor - Stephen Williams is either a pseudonym for Terrence Malick or he had the Terrance Malick playbook open to page one - If there was an episode this season that could be submitted for an award and have the words "for your consideration" put in front of it, it is this one It will be interesting to see where they go from here with Morgan. The episodes leading up to this one painted a picture of Morgan's absolutism but the episode last night showed us a man who's convictions may be built on feet of clay. I can see the stars aligning for one hell of a mid season finale if things continue on this course. John Carrol Lynch - not a member of Tenacious D: http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTI3NjM3MDg4N15BMl5BanBnXkFtZTYwNDk5NDMz._V1_SX640_SY720_.jpg Walt's Barber in Gran Torino Kyle Gass of Tenacious D: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9b/Kyle_Gass.jpg I can see how you might confuse the two. Kyle was hilarious in Elf. Lynch was Frances McDormand's husband in Fargo. |
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Posted: 11/4/2015 7:59:47 AM EST
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Posted: 11/4/2015 8:41:55 AM EST
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There's only so many times you can be ran out of your home, kill characters off and then find a new home, rinse and repeat. I think the "immunes" would make an interesting plot twist for down the line. Even if the group can't figure out why the person is immune but if all there is to life is die and then come back to try and kill your friends and family only to have to burden them with killing you, it may be best to throw one last bon fire bbq and everyone drink the red kool aide Absolutely right. If I were the writers the direction I would take would be for next few seasons for Rick and crew to form a society and the challenges that would take while also dealing with other "city-states" that were forming. Not a direct conflict either with a psychotic "Governor", but perhaps real issues with trade and competing for remaining resources in the world. In other words, don't make things so black and white in the show with the bad guys. So far, the bad guys have been psychotic nuts, but what if they were just like Rick looking to take care of their people and yet Rick's group presented issues for them. I think eventually they do need an immune and search for a cure to come up. Maybe some desperate journey to deliver an immune person to people who can create a cure similar to the video game "The Last of Us" where they could progressively kill off nearly every character until the final episode when they make it. End it with the delivery of the immune person to the scientists and then a flash forward 20 years to a post-Walker infection free world where they remember the folks who died to get the immune person delivered through some memorial similar to the end of "Red Dawn" (the original) or "The Postman." They could have the journey to deliver the immune take them all the way to California where the group that survived up to that point could meet the Fear the Walking Dead folks for a tie in. |
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Posted: 11/4/2015 9:40:21 AM EST
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Absolutely right. If I were the writers the direction I would take would be for next few seasons for Rick and crew to form a society and the challenges that would take while also dealing with other "city-states" that were forming. Not a direct conflict either with a psychotic "Governor", but perhaps real issues with trade and competing for remaining resources in the world. In other words, don't make things so black and white in the show with the bad guys. So far, the bad guys have been psychotic nuts, but what if they were just like Rick looking to take care of their people and yet Rick's group presented issues for them. I think eventually they do need an immune and search for a cure to come up. Maybe some desperate journey to deliver an immune person to people who can create a cure similar to the video game "The Last of Us" where they could progressively kill off nearly every character until the final episode when they make it. End it with the delivery of the immune person to the scientists and then a flash forward 20 years to a post-Walker infection free world where they remember the folks who died to get the immune person delivered through some memorial similar to the end of "Red Dawn" (the original) or "The Postman." They could have the journey to deliver the immune take them all the way to California where the group that survived up to that point could meet the Fear the Walking Dead folks for a tie in. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There's only so many times you can be ran out of your home, kill characters off and then find a new home, rinse and repeat. I think the "immunes" would make an interesting plot twist for down the line. Even if the group can't figure out why the person is immune but if all there is to life is die and then come back to try and kill your friends and family only to have to burden them with killing you, it may be best to throw one last bon fire bbq and everyone drink the red kool aide Absolutely right. If I were the writers the direction I would take would be for next few seasons for Rick and crew to form a society and the challenges that would take while also dealing with other "city-states" that were forming. Not a direct conflict either with a psychotic "Governor", but perhaps real issues with trade and competing for remaining resources in the world. In other words, don't make things so black and white in the show with the bad guys. So far, the bad guys have been psychotic nuts, but what if they were just like Rick looking to take care of their people and yet Rick's group presented issues for them. I think eventually they do need an immune and search for a cure to come up. Maybe some desperate journey to deliver an immune person to people who can create a cure similar to the video game "The Last of Us" where they could progressively kill off nearly every character until the final episode when they make it. End it with the delivery of the immune person to the scientists and then a flash forward 20 years to a post-Walker infection free world where they remember the folks who died to get the immune person delivered through some memorial similar to the end of "Red Dawn" (the original) or "The Postman." They could have the journey to deliver the immune take them all the way to California where the group that survived up to that point could meet the Fear the Walking Dead folks for a tie in. Show loosely follows the comics - the next several seasons are already written. There will be other good groups & bad groups - the whole WD universe doesn't revolve around Rick's group being the only ones who survived. They've already said that they will never reveal the cause, so there will never be a cure. Eventually the shows ratings will start to tank, it won't be renewed, & the actors will move on with their careers. |
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Posted: 11/4/2015 9:45:51 AM EST
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Show loosely follows the comics - the next several seasons are already written. There will be other good groups & bad groups - the whole WD universe doesn't revolve around Rick's group being the only ones who survived. They've already said that they will never reveal the cause, so there will never be a cure. Eventually the shows ratings will start to tank, it won't be renewed, & the actors will move on with their careers. Well, I think AMC has been pretty good about wrapping up popular series in the past and I would be pretty surprised and disappointed if there was never any kind of resolution and we leave them on the walls of Alexandria with Walkers all around at the end of the series. I'm glad to hear it's a possibility that not every group of survivors are total maniacs. The apocalypse should be entering a new phase where civilization again starts to appear to certain degrees. Everyone who has survived to this point may certainly be ruthless, but not necessarily "bad." |
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Posted: 11/4/2015 9:50:44 AM EST
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It was a huge mistake to let Dr. Jenner commit suicide and allow the CDC research to go up in flames. Monumental mistake. There has got to be other U.S. Facilities and people still alive who could carry on research. Something tells me that sooner or later Rick and his crew will venture into Washington D.C. and learn that there is some facility still operational. I also think we'll find out that Rick's daughter is immune. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not necessarily. Our major characters have been told that and certainly have witnessed much evidence to support it, but we don't know with 100% certainty that there aren't a tiny percentage of folks who are either naturally immune or were somehow never exposed (since we really don't know the origin). IF (and I personally do NOT think this is where the writer's are headed, FTR) there are such "immunes" among the population, given the SOP adopted by the survivors at this point in the story (ensure head trauma for all dead and undead alike) how would our intrepid crew even discover that? The vast majority of folks dead from natural causes at this point would have been (1) brained by their peers if they are part of a group, (2) found and eaten by walkers if they are not, or (3) squirreled away unfound somewhere. Just a passing thought... again, not where I think all this is going. It was a huge mistake to let Dr. Jenner commit suicide and allow the CDC research to go up in flames. Monumental mistake. There has got to be other U.S. Facilities and people still alive who could carry on research. Something tells me that sooner or later Rick and his crew will venture into Washington D.C. and learn that there is some facility still operational. I also think we'll find out that Rick's daughter is immune. Then they will be on a mission to get The Judith to the CDC! She will grow up knowing she's special and will be a monumental pain-in-the-ass. Some guy in an NSA listening post will guide them via shortwave radio. |
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Posted: 11/4/2015 9:57:44 AM EST
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The trope also was the whole "super computer big brother says die" thing. Jenner had no control over the self destruct, the computer automatically started it due to power loss on the backup generators. If you want to get nitpicky Jenner could have left with the Rickafire Explosion, there was nothing keeping him in the building... he had just hit his limit. He knew that without all his fancy computers and lab equipment, that were going to go up in flames beyond his control, that his capacity to research and find a cure would be severely limited if not completely negated. Could Jenner have been some sort of pre-NewGene NewGene that they drug along in the faint hope of continuing his research? Sure. But the man was morose and more or less suicidal from the loss of his work, his colleagues, his wife and soon his home / lab / research. Had they drug him out by his hair he would have most likely eaten a pistol as soon as no one was watching him for more than five minutes. Suffice it to say the whole Jenner / CDC thing was a shaky premise that served its purpose at the time. The whole setup was more or less an excuse to give Ricky some pseudo scientific exposition and to kill off another one of the black cast. Jenner knew that finding a cure was possible given the whole capability of the CDC and his international colleagues. But that capability was gone. He saw the inevitability of the infection and he gave up, because he knew there would never be a cure. Civilization broke, and could not be fixed. His part in the play was to deliver the message: "there is no cure, and there will be no cure" Now, knowing this, it's a little strange that the group would buy Newgene's story at face value and support him. I think that goes back to Rick's radio monologue, "It's all about slim chances now" |
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Posted: 11/4/2015 10:19:48 AM EST
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Well, I think AMC has been pretty good about wrapping up popular series in the past and I would be pretty surprised and disappointed if there was never any kind of resolution and we leave them on the walls of Alexandria with Walkers all around at the end of the series. I'm glad to hear it's a possibility that not every group of survivors are total maniacs. The apocalypse should be entering a new phase where civilization again starts to appear to certain degrees. Everyone who has survived to this point may certainly be ruthless, but not necessarily "bad." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Show loosely follows the comics - the next several seasons are already written. There will be other good groups & bad groups - the whole WD universe doesn't revolve around Rick's group being the only ones who survived. They've already said that they will never reveal the cause, so there will never be a cure. Eventually the shows ratings will start to tank, it won't be renewed, & the actors will move on with their careers. Well, I think AMC has been pretty good about wrapping up popular series in the past and I would be pretty surprised and disappointed if there was never any kind of resolution and we leave them on the walls of Alexandria with Walkers all around at the end of the series. I'm glad to hear it's a possibility that not every group of survivors are total maniacs. The apocalypse should be entering a new phase where civilization again starts to appear to certain degrees. Everyone who has survived to this point may certainly be ruthless, but not necessarily "bad." I think if they can really get Fear The Walking Dead steaming ahead with its next season and work out the character issues then they should look at wrapping up TWD soon. Go out on a high note. It's in the 6th season now and most popular shows today don't really go much past 7.They can show them heading out on their next journey and sunset it that way. TWD still loosely follows the comics. Names and roles may have been changed but for the most part it's still close. I think if they keep running both shows they're going to run into continuity issues with Fear. FTWD isn't tied to the comics this will give them more room to explore and do new story arcs besides the safe house, crazy guy and his band wanting your place story lines. |
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Posted: 11/4/2015 10:24:32 AM EST
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Jenner knew that finding a cure was possible given the whole capability of the CDC and his international colleagues. But that capability was gone. He saw the inevitability of the infection and he gave up, because he knew there would never be a cure. Civilization broke, and could not be fixed. His part in the play was to deliver the message: "there is no cure, and there will be no cure" Now, knowing this, it's a little strange that the group would buy Newgene's story at face value and support him. I think that goes back to Rick's radio monologue, "It's all about slim chances now" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The trope also was the whole "super computer big brother says die" thing. Jenner had no control over the self destruct, the computer automatically started it due to power loss on the backup generators. If you want to get nitpicky Jenner could have left with the Rickafire Explosion, there was nothing keeping him in the building... he had just hit his limit. He knew that without all his fancy computers and lab equipment, that were going to go up in flames beyond his control, that his capacity to research and find a cure would be severely limited if not completely negated. Could Jenner have been some sort of pre-NewGene NewGene that they drug along in the faint hope of continuing his research? Sure. But the man was morose and more or less suicidal from the loss of his work, his colleagues, his wife and soon his home / lab / research. Had they drug him out by his hair he would have most likely eaten a pistol as soon as no one was watching him for more than five minutes. Suffice it to say the whole Jenner / CDC thing was a shaky premise that served its purpose at the time. The whole setup was more or less an excuse to give Ricky some pseudo scientific exposition and to kill off another one of the black cast. Jenner knew that finding a cure was possible given the whole capability of the CDC and his international colleagues. But that capability was gone. He saw the inevitability of the infection and he gave up, because he knew there would never be a cure. Civilization broke, and could not be fixed. His part in the play was to deliver the message: "there is no cure, and there will be no cure" Now, knowing this, it's a little strange that the group would buy Newgene's story at face value and support him. I think that goes back to Rick's radio monologue, "It's all about slim chances now" I think the writers admitted the CDC story line was a mistake. It wasn't in the comics. NewGene was and his story was about the cure. I wonder if the people on the ISS got infected? Space Zombies
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Posted: 11/4/2015 10:29:34 AM EST
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