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It doesn't matter what the facts are, the left is turning him into a martyr now and I would expect them to escalate further, watch out for "protests" in the next few days
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Quoted: I don't know what you guys think is going to happen here to say this. If even charged, the driver is going to go in front of a grand jury and he is going to get no-billed. These things are not left up to individual prosecutors in Texas. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Nope. So as much as many here are screaming "HE HAS A RIGHT TO DRIVE ON THAT STREET!!!" Actually no. He didn't. If you think that right should be retaken, well. That DA wants to be your Huckleberry. Regardless of that, he sure had the right to return fire when some dip shit rioter decided he would enforce that no driving on his street rule by cranking four rounds of AK into his car. I don't know what you guys think is going to happen here to say this. If even charged, the driver is going to go in front of a grand jury and he is going to get no-billed. These things are not left up to individual prosecutors in Texas. I've sat on a Grand Jury before and that would get no billed by me |
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Quoted: Well, the dead guy is definitely pointing his rifle at the driver in the video before any shots are heard. So even if everyone here is wrong and the first five loud shots was the driver shooting him because he pointed a rifle in his face, and then the three quieter shots are the dead guy shooting the rifle as he dies, or are another "peaceful protestor" cranking rounds off at the car, it is still a pretty solid case of self-defense by the car driver (and maybe with an aggravated assault charge for some UNSUB). View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I think this is a very plausible scenario. Everyone assumes AK guy fired his rifle, but what if he didn’t? First set of shots aimed toward camera, then the others later aimed away could sound different. At some point we will know if that AK was fired that night, so I’m not trying to argue, I’m just speculating. Well, the dead guy is definitely pointing his rifle at the driver in the video before any shots are heard. So even if everyone here is wrong and the first five loud shots was the driver shooting him because he pointed a rifle in his face, and then the three quieter shots are the dead guy shooting the rifle as he dies, or are another "peaceful protestor" cranking rounds off at the car, it is still a pretty solid case of self-defense by the car driver (and maybe with an aggravated assault charge for some UNSUB). I agree. It can still be a good self defense shoot even if the driver fired first. The driver turned onto the street but was blocked, he stopped, gets surrounded, people are hitting his car, guy points a rifle at him. |
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Quoted: Lol......cops fault When you don’t wipe your ass good enough do you blame the police? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Actually, it all happened because LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS and their Superiors and ''leaders'' haven't been doing their job by allowing PEACEFUL protests and keeping the rest of society running normally. Failure of action is now leading to reaction by normal law abiding citizens who see society breaking down and many officers, courts, and public officials doing nothing or worse, contributing. [you know, like kneeling and licking the boots of protesters] PS, I know you were responding to a ''what if'' but the actions [or lack thereof] by public ''servants'' elected and otherwise, in the early onset of these riots set the mood. Lol......cops fault When you don’t wipe your ass good enough do you blame the police? Sure do when they and their leaders take away my toilet paper and tell me tough shit. It damn well isn't all of them and many are just doing what they are told to do which is nothing but it didn't get to this point without a lot of police inaction initially. Barns burning now, do you let the horses out or let them burn with the structure? Truth is, no one really know and no one is willing to tell the fire trucks to go in route anyways. |
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Quoted: I'm seeing a lot of people slamming the driver for going thru a riot. He should have known better, etc, You cannot guys, the local Antifa/BLM picks an initial meetup location, usually the PD. It's only mentioned on websites under ANTIFA control They then go mobile. That is intentional since they know EVERYONE avoids the PD after 4pm because of the violence. They can wander all over downtown and then intent is to cause confrontation. They do this NIGHTLY. A hell of a lot of people live downtown. Lots of condos. It's unavoidable unless you fort up in your residence before sunset. View Quote No, that Sherrick guy says you should just park and walk through the protest....... |
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hopefully the cops had the decency to pick up his commie rifle and put it in the trash can where it fucking belongs.
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Quoted: I have yet to find a single news story claiming that rifle rounds were fired, or that Garrett fired first. I have been around when shots are being fired, and am very aware of how audio can be deceiving. Thus far, the only evidence for Garrett having fired first is that the first 5 shots sound louder on the initial video. I haven't found a single eyewitness claiming Garrett fired any rounds, and haven't seen any articles claiming that either. Nor have I found any articles claiming the medic was arrested. What we do see is that everyone who claims to be there said the driver shot first, and we see claims online that the medic said he fired three rounds at the fleeing car. All of which would line up with what the two videos, when viewed together, appear to show. Would I prefer that this be a good shoot, and that it turns out that the person who was morally and legally culpable for instigating violence was also the one who suffered? Sure. Does that mean I'm unable or unwilling to consider evidence to the contrary, and incapable of considering that the driver might have been an idiot or a shitbag? No. Because if you get to the point of only seeing black or white, us or them, you'll never see the truth when it disagrees with your beliefs. View Quote Meh.....dead commie = good shoot |
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Quoted: I have yet to find a single news story claiming that rifle rounds were fired, or that Garrett fired first. I have been around when shots are being fired, and am very aware of how audio can be deceiving. Thus far, the only evidence for Garrett having fired first is that the first 5 shots sound louder on the initial video. I haven't found a single eyewitness claiming Garrett fired any rounds, and haven't seen any articles claiming that either. Nor have I found any articles claiming the medic was arrested. What we do see is that everyone who claims to be there said the driver shot first, and we see claims online that the medic said he fired three rounds at the fleeing car. All of which would line up with what the two videos, when viewed together, appear to show. Would I prefer that this be a good shoot, and that it turns out that the person who was morally and legally culpable for instigating violence was also the one who suffered? Sure. Does that mean I'm unable or unwilling to consider evidence to the contrary, and incapable of considering that the driver might have been an idiot or a shitbag? No. Because if you get to the point of only seeing black or white, us or them, you'll never see the truth when it disagrees with your beliefs. View Quote All “protester” testimony will be lies. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Ya'll that want a civil war have no idea what war is. Apparently you don't have any idea what it is either. what does that word salad mean? Josh, almost nobody actually wants a civil war. But at some point, it's no longer a choice, and people will have to man up and face reality. The Commies won't stop because we ask them to. |
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Quoted: I was thinking the same thing. Is there like a RIOT APP, you can download on your phone that will tell you which streets AntiFA and BLM are blocking off, and assaulting drivers at, at any particular moment? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I'm seeing a lot of people slamming the driver for going thru a riot. He should have known better, etc, You cannot guys, the local Antifa/BLM picks an initial meetup location, usually the PD. It's only mentioned on websites under ANTIFA control They then go mobile. That is intentional since they know EVERYONE avoids the PD after 4pm because of the violence. They can wander all over downtown and then intent is to cause confrontation. They do this NIGHTLY. A hell of a lot of people live downtown. Lots of condos. It's unavoidable unless you fort up in your residence before sunset. I was thinking the same thing. Is there like a RIOT APP, you can download on your phone that will tell you which streets AntiFA and BLM are blocking off, and assaulting drivers at, at any particular moment? Nope, they just wander like cattle, they don't even know where they are most times. |
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Quoted: I didn't even know there have been protests in Austin since the first week this crap started. I remember when Minneapolis was burning a few sympathetic riots appeared to fizzle out in San Antonio (shots fired from a store owner ended the initial looting attempt), Austin, and Dallas and then I've heard nothing since then. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Sure it would be nice to wait for the all the facts to come out, but controlling the narrative is more important in this day and age, the left is much better at it. I also live in Austin, I do hope this does not escalate into the protests and problems other cities are having. I didn't even know there have been protests in Austin since the first week this crap started. I remember when Minneapolis was burning a few sympathetic riots appeared to fizzle out in San Antonio (shots fired from a store owner ended the initial looting attempt), Austin, and Dallas and then I've heard nothing since then. Every day for the past 51 days. The hotter weather has pushed it later into the night. |
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Quoted: I've sat on a Grand Jury before and that would get no billed by me View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: I've sat on a Grand Jury before and that would get no billed by me I would like to think so, but this is the county that indicted Governor Rick Perry for vetoing a bill the D.A. was supporting. I mean, that's a whole different level of insanity, over just indicting someone because they shot a left wing rioter in self defense that the D.A. supports. |
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Quoted: I was thinking the same thing. Is there like a RIOT APP, you can download on your phone that will tell you which streets AntiFA and BLM are blocking off, and assaulting drivers at, at any particular moment? View Quote No shit there was. But it was deemed racist and no longer available. |
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Quoted: I agree. It can still be a good self defense shoot even if the driver fired first. The driver turned onto the street but was blocked, he stopped, gets surrounded, people are hitting his car, guy points a rifle at him. View Quote Yeah, we call that attempted carjacking where I live. |
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Quoted: link left cold since it's Daily KOS https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2020/7/26/1963877/-Rest-in-Power-Garrett-Foster He was stationed at Minot around 2011-2014, not the best Crew Chief but he had heart. He was all about his wife, black chick and quadriplegic. All I can say is Holy Shit View Quote Was he your buddy? Are you sympathetic to armed socialists taking cities hostage? |
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Quoted: Every day for the past 51 days. The hotter weather has pushed it later into the night. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Sure it would be nice to wait for the all the facts to come out, but controlling the narrative is more important in this day and age, the left is much better at it. I also live in Austin, I do hope this does not escalate into the protests and problems other cities are having. I didn't even know there have been protests in Austin since the first week this crap started. I remember when Minneapolis was burning a few sympathetic riots appeared to fizzle out in San Antonio (shots fired from a store owner ended the initial looting attempt), Austin, and Dallas and then I've heard nothing since then. Every day for the past 51 days. The hotter weather has pushed it later into the night. It's not reported, because that might make reasonable people realize just how fucking crazy the left is. Most "liberals" don't want anything to do with violent, crazy, tear-it-all-down Marxists..... |
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Quoted: Inquiring minds want to know. https://palmettostatearmory.com/psak-47-gf3-forged-nutmeg-wood-triangle-side-folding-rifle-with-cheese-grater-upper-handguard.html View Quote Attached File |
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Quoted: Do commie medics take the Hippocratic oath? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: So it's possible the Antifa medic ventilated this moron? /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/temp-97.gif The take the hypocrisy oath. |
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I drove through Austin twice this weekend. The city was hot (weather and tension). I had my pistol out of the console safe.
Sounds like he tried to show off and reacted poorly. If you surround my vehicle, prevent any egress, and start to hit/kick it, I would be at Defcon 1. Add in a guy coming up to the door with a rifle and most people would react the same. The biggest issue is that the guy might be tried in an Austin court with an Austin jury. |
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Quoted: Josh, almost nobody actually wants a civil war. But at some point, it's no longer a choice, and people will have to man up and face reality. The Commies won't stop because we ask them to. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Ya'll that want a civil war have no idea what war is. Apparently you don't have any idea what it is either. what does that word salad mean? Josh, almost nobody actually wants a civil war. But at some point, it's no longer a choice, and people will have to man up and face reality. The Commies won't stop because we ask them to. |
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Quoted: Oooweee, get ready. More riots will be coming to cities around the country because of this incident. George Floyd 2.0. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Oooweee, get ready. More riots will be coming to cities around the country because of this incident. George Floyd 2.0. |
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Quoted: I live in Austin. Woke and heard about this. Spent at least 4 hours watching youtube, reading Twitter, watching news. Honestly? I don't think I have enough information to have a completely informed opinion. One thing that disturbs me. People on the left go to their automatic postion, "Garrett Foster was murdered". People on the right go to their automatic postion "the driver acted in self-defense". In just a few hours people have already determined what to believe about what happened. Foster and the driver deserve to considered innocent until proven guilty beyond a resonable doubt, or at the very least people should wait for more information to come out. View Quote Which one was running an armed roadblock? Think of that before you declare that person “innocent”. Who does that anyway? Oh yeah- al quaeda, Mexican drug cartels, and BLM terrorists.... |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Ya'll that want a civil war have no idea what war is. Apparently you don't have any idea what it is either. what does that word salad mean? I'll put it more simply for you. If you knew what war is, you'd realize that we're in the middle of one right now. There is no wanting it. It is here. It isn't very intense right now, but it is happening. |
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Quoted: It means your inability to comprehend extends beyond the written word. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Ya'll that want a civil war have no idea what war is. Apparently you don't have any idea what it is either. what does that word salad mean? Attached File |
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Quoted: All “protester” testimony will be lies. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I have yet to find a single news story claiming that rifle rounds were fired, or that Garrett fired first. I have been around when shots are being fired, and am very aware of how audio can be deceiving. Thus far, the only evidence for Garrett having fired first is that the first 5 shots sound louder on the initial video. I haven't found a single eyewitness claiming Garrett fired any rounds, and haven't seen any articles claiming that either. Nor have I found any articles claiming the medic was arrested. What we do see is that everyone who claims to be there said the driver shot first, and we see claims online that the medic said he fired three rounds at the fleeing car. All of which would line up with what the two videos, when viewed together, appear to show. Would I prefer that this be a good shoot, and that it turns out that the person who was morally and legally culpable for instigating violence was also the one who suffered? Sure. Does that mean I'm unable or unwilling to consider evidence to the contrary, and incapable of considering that the driver might have been an idiot or a shitbag? No. Because if you get to the point of only seeing black or white, us or them, you'll never see the truth when it disagrees with your beliefs. All “protester” testimony will be lies. All witness statements contain bias. Sorting through the bullshit is what makes the difference. If Garrett fired rounds and every protestor denies it, then the question becomes where the bullets went. If he hit the car with any shots, that's abso-fuckunglutely going to come out at trial, because the protestors can't hide holes in a car. Assume that they picked up the brass he fired. Assume they lie, sure. But there will be physical evidence somewhere, unless he fired those rounds straight up into the air. Again, my money is that the driver is going to claim he saw Garrett with a rifle, and opened fire first. Then the question is going to be whether Garrett was aiming at him or not. That's going to wind up being impossible to prove one way or another, if no further video or photo evidence comes out beyond that still frame of Garrett's arm. Prosecution can also argue that Garrett was responding to the deadly force threat of the driver pointing at him first. I have no doubt the protestors will claim that, although getting all the stories to coincide might be challenging. It would be well for your government to consider that having your ships and ours, your aircraft and ours, in such proximity... is inherently DANGEROUS. Wars have begun that way, Mr. Ambassador. Open armed groups on the street in proximity and agitating against each other is inherently dangerous. Mistakes will get made, and people wind up dead as a result. It's simply an inevitable outcome on a national scale, that for X number of armed activists encountering other armed people, Y number of shootings will occur in a given time period. Not saying it's right or wrong, or offering any judgment at all...simply pointing out the factual inevitability of such circumstances. |
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Fuck that guy! He's a disgrace to ever wear the Air Force uniform. He's one of those domestic enemies that he swore to protect this great country from.
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Was his wife with him at the time of the shooting? Do we know that piece of info?
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Quoted: I have yet to find a single news story claiming that rifle rounds were fired, or that Garrett fired first. I have been around when shots are being fired, and am very aware of how audio can be deceiving. Thus far, the only evidence for Garrett having fired first is that the first 5 shots sound louder on the initial video. I haven't found a single eyewitness claiming Garrett fired any rounds, and haven't seen any articles claiming that either. Nor have I found any articles claiming the medic was arrested. What we do see is that everyone who claims to be there said the driver shot first, and we see claims online that the medic said he fired three rounds at the fleeing car. All of which would line up with what the two videos, when viewed together, appear to show. Would I prefer that this be a good shoot, and that it turns out that the person who was morally and legally culpable for instigating violence was also the one who suffered? Sure. Does that mean I'm unable or unwilling to consider evidence to the contrary, and incapable of considering that the driver might have been an idiot or a shitbag? No. Because if you get to the point of only seeing black or white, us or them, you'll never see the truth when it disagrees with your beliefs. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: As a statement in isolation I would agree, but overall looking at both videos, and the numerous statements (all of questionable provenance, but all consistent), and adding in the apparent text admissions of medic returning fire...I don't think it was Garrett shooting first. The initial gunshots, if fired from the drivers side of the car towards the cameraman in the original video, are naturally going to sound loud because the sound is being directed right at the camera, with a building right behind to enhance the echo. The cameraman then runs and falls, and the second set are fainter. If both sets were pistol rounds, and the second set was being fired by BLM medic at the retreating vehicle heading away from the intersection, they're naturally going to sound considerably quieter because they're aimed away from the camera, and at a further distance. And quite possibly also a smaller caliber handgun caliber as well. Watching the dashcam video from the other car makes this seem even more likely. Look at the delay between the crowd reacting to the initial shots, and when the car starts driving away. Had Garrett shot first, the driver would have been sitting there stationary and only opened fire *after* starting to pull away. It's far harder to conceive of a scenario playing out where the rifle equipped pedestrian misses 5 shots at point blank on a stopped vehicle, then several seconds of delay while he stands there aiming, before the driver speeds off and scores fatal hits while shooting over his left shoulder. Just because someone shoots a protestor in the road does not make it a good shoot. My money would be that the driver probably panicked, realized he was blocked in, and then saw Garrett coming towards him with the rifle out. Driver feared for his life, and shot first then unassed the area. Medic sees Garrett getting shot, and decides to open fire in defense of Garrett. Murder charges get filed, and everything becomes an unguessable mess as this gets added to the stack of messy cases that have piled up in the past few months, and subject mostly to biased reporting and biased prosecutions. It was pretty clear that rifle shots rang out first. The news is also stating this. You are spinning this into BS it is not. I have yet to find a single news story claiming that rifle rounds were fired, or that Garrett fired first. I have been around when shots are being fired, and am very aware of how audio can be deceiving. Thus far, the only evidence for Garrett having fired first is that the first 5 shots sound louder on the initial video. I haven't found a single eyewitness claiming Garrett fired any rounds, and haven't seen any articles claiming that either. Nor have I found any articles claiming the medic was arrested. What we do see is that everyone who claims to be there said the driver shot first, and we see claims online that the medic said he fired three rounds at the fleeing car. All of which would line up with what the two videos, when viewed together, appear to show. Would I prefer that this be a good shoot, and that it turns out that the person who was morally and legally culpable for instigating violence was also the one who suffered? Sure. Does that mean I'm unable or unwilling to consider evidence to the contrary, and incapable of considering that the driver might have been an idiot or a shitbag? No. Because if you get to the point of only seeing black or white, us or them, you'll never see the truth when it disagrees with your beliefs. You're being incredibly obtuse. Is it intentional? You've yet to hear a single witness? From that group? Do you think if he fired first they would say so? Did they even leave the weapon on the dead guy's body, or was it spirited away to be hidden? What gives you ANY confidence that some witness would say what actually happened if it didn't support their narrative? |
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Quoted: Quoted: He brought an AK to a “protest” then started shooting into a car for really no reason at all. He got exactly what he deserved. This he is a good commie now. He is where all communist should be. In the morgue. Attached File |
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Quoted: No. There were indeed civilized, educated, and moral people caught up in the Second World War that served in the Wehrmacht under threat of execution in a country ruled by a brutal, totalitarian regime. There wasn't a choice. These treasonous morons that identify with ANTIFA and BLM are siding with a totalitarian cause voluntarily, which is completely contradictory to our way of life. These miserable, self-styled "revolutionaries" should know better since they live in the greatest country in the world, regardless of its flaws and imperfections. Every one of them deserves to be stripped of their citizenship and deported to Venezuela or China for being treasonous communists. If nothing else, the collective IQ of the nation would improve. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: OP sorry your guy got killed and left his wife a widow. We should always remember that just as there were good guys in the NAZI army there will be good people with ANTIFA/militant Left It would also do us well to remember we have some loons on our side. As near as I can tell he was carrying a long gun in a dangerous, chaotic environment, (illegal protest) he then tried to use his weapon to stop and remove the driver of a vehicle over (apperentley) a political dispute. He then opened fire at close range with a rifle, failed to hit his target and was killed by pistol fire. While I cant find video of the shooting, I can find video of his carrying his rifle, acknowledging it was illegal to do so by local LE, wearing soft armor and carrying a pistol. What kind of NAZI hunting, freedom fighter loses a close range gun fight when he has a rifle and starts first? LARPing thinking your in Inglorious Bastards when the other guy thinks he is Vincent from Collateral is a bit of a mistake. No. There were indeed civilized, educated, and moral people caught up in the Second World War that served in the Wehrmacht under threat of execution in a country ruled by a brutal, totalitarian regime. There wasn't a choice. These treasonous morons that identify with ANTIFA and BLM are siding with a totalitarian cause voluntarily, which is completely contradictory to our way of life. These miserable, self-styled "revolutionaries" should know better since they live in the greatest country in the world, regardless of its flaws and imperfections. Every one of them deserves to be stripped of their citizenship and deported to Venezuela or China for being treasonous communists. If nothing else, the collective IQ of the nation would improve. This. A bartender in Bavaria gets drafted and sent to the Russian front as a plain infantryman didn’t have a choice; these ANTIFA scumbags voluntarily chose a side. |
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Airmen in a ground war... What were they thinking?
Cannon fodder until the Rangers get there. |
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Quoted: I think it was posted for news value... not to elicit funds for a worthless commie fuckstick. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Liberty Activist Murdered - Fund for Family Garrett Foster was a respected liberty activist. He was gunned down last night in Austin, Texas, while supporting both gun rights & civil rights for all people. We hope to offer some support and consolation from the liberty community to his loved ones through this fund. He will be missed in our groups & forums. He meant the world to those that knew him. I want the world to know how amazing he was. No link to fundraisers without site staff approval I'm pretty sure. I think it was posted for news value... not to elicit funds for a worthless commie fuckstick. Hard to tell the difference here sometimes. |
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Quoted: All witness statements contain bias. Sorting through the bullshit is what makes the difference. If Garrett fired rounds and every protestor denies it, then the question becomes where the bullets went. If he hit the car with any shots, that's abso-fuckunglutely going to come out at trial, because the protestors can't hide holes in a car. Assume that they picked up the brass he fired. Assume they lie, sure. But there will be physical evidence somewhere, unless he fired those rounds straight up into the air. Again, my money is that the driver is going to claim he saw Garrett with a rifle, and opened fire first. Then the question is going to be whether Garrett was aiming at him or not. That's going to wind up being impossible to prove one way or another, if no further video or photo evidence comes out beyond that still frame of Garrett's arm. Prosecution can also argue that Garrett was responding to the deadly force threat of the driver pointing at him first. I have no doubt the protestors will claim that, although getting all the stories to coincide might be challenging. Open armed groups on the street in proximity and agitating against each other is inherently dangerous. Mistakes will get made, and people wind up dead as a result. It's simply an inevitable outcome on a national scale, that for X number of armed activists encountering other armed people, Y number of shootings will occur in a given time period. Not saying it's right or wrong, or offering any judgment at all...simply pointing out the factual inevitability of such circumstances. View Quote There are at least three or four possible scenarios where self defense looks viable, seeing how the video clearly shows the dead guy pointing his rifle at the car. 1. Dead guy pointed gun at driver for no reason, or because he thought driver was going to escape their BLM roadblock. Got shot. 2. Dead guy saw driver was armed at their BLM roadblock and pointed his gun at driver. Got shot. 3. Dead guy decided driver was trying to escape their road block and fired rounds at the driver. Got shot. 4. Dead guy decided driver was trying to escape their road block and fired warning shots into the street or somewhere. Got shot. The one possible not self defense scenario. 1. Driver pulls over, asks for directions, dead guy comes up to be helpful, carelessly flags the driver with his muzzle, driver yells, "Surprise, mother fucker" and shoots him. Let's think which of those are most likely true. |
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APD has located a third shooter. Another rioter with a handgun. (A report on KVUE) It may be that the moron was killed by friendly fire.
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At this point, his FB is a national treasure, and should be placed in the National Archives.
It's a gift that keeps on giving |
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