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I work in Austin. Surprised this hasn't already happened before. It's a retarded city but... it's still Texas. Any given car here there's a 50% chance the driver is a firearm owner. Bad idea swarming cars here.
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Quoted: All witness statements contain bias. Sorting through the bullshit is what makes the difference. If Garrett fired rounds and every protestor denies it, then the question becomes where the bullets went. If he hit the car with any shots, that's abso-fuckunglutely going to come out at trial, because the protestors can't hide holes in a car. Assume that they picked up the brass he fired. Assume they lie, sure. But there will be physical evidence somewhere, unless he fired those rounds straight up into the air. Again, my money is that the driver is going to claim he saw Garrett with a rifle, and opened fire first. Then the question is going to be whether Garrett was aiming at him or not. That's going to wind up being impossible to prove one way or another, if no further video or photo evidence comes out beyond that still frame of Garrett's arm. Prosecution can also argue that Garrett was responding to the deadly force threat of the driver pointing at him first. I have no doubt the protestors will claim that, although getting all the stories to coincide might be challenging. Open armed groups on the street in proximity and agitating against each other is inherently dangerous. Mistakes will get made, and people wind up dead as a result. It's simply an inevitable outcome on a national scale, that for X number of armed activists encountering other armed people, Y number of shootings will occur in a given time period. Not saying it's right or wrong, or offering any judgment at all...simply pointing out the factual inevitability of such circumstances. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I have yet to find a single news story claiming that rifle rounds were fired, or that Garrett fired first. I have been around when shots are being fired, and am very aware of how audio can be deceiving. Thus far, the only evidence for Garrett having fired first is that the first 5 shots sound louder on the initial video. I haven't found a single eyewitness claiming Garrett fired any rounds, and haven't seen any articles claiming that either. Nor have I found any articles claiming the medic was arrested. What we do see is that everyone who claims to be there said the driver shot first, and we see claims online that the medic said he fired three rounds at the fleeing car. All of which would line up with what the two videos, when viewed together, appear to show. Would I prefer that this be a good shoot, and that it turns out that the person who was morally and legally culpable for instigating violence was also the one who suffered? Sure. Does that mean I'm unable or unwilling to consider evidence to the contrary, and incapable of considering that the driver might have been an idiot or a shitbag? No. Because if you get to the point of only seeing black or white, us or them, you'll never see the truth when it disagrees with your beliefs. All “protester” testimony will be lies. All witness statements contain bias. Sorting through the bullshit is what makes the difference. If Garrett fired rounds and every protestor denies it, then the question becomes where the bullets went. If he hit the car with any shots, that's abso-fuckunglutely going to come out at trial, because the protestors can't hide holes in a car. Assume that they picked up the brass he fired. Assume they lie, sure. But there will be physical evidence somewhere, unless he fired those rounds straight up into the air. Again, my money is that the driver is going to claim he saw Garrett with a rifle, and opened fire first. Then the question is going to be whether Garrett was aiming at him or not. That's going to wind up being impossible to prove one way or another, if no further video or photo evidence comes out beyond that still frame of Garrett's arm. Prosecution can also argue that Garrett was responding to the deadly force threat of the driver pointing at him first. I have no doubt the protestors will claim that, although getting all the stories to coincide might be challenging. It would be well for your government to consider that having your ships and ours, your aircraft and ours, in such proximity... is inherently DANGEROUS. Wars have begun that way, Mr. Ambassador. Open armed groups on the street in proximity and agitating against each other is inherently dangerous. Mistakes will get made, and people wind up dead as a result. It's simply an inevitable outcome on a national scale, that for X number of armed activists encountering other armed people, Y number of shootings will occur in a given time period. Not saying it's right or wrong, or offering any judgment at all...simply pointing out the factual inevitability of such circumstances. At a very minimum, Foster approached the car and pointed an AK at the driver. Even if Foster did not fire the AK, it was still self-defense for the driver, good shoot. But the video certainly sounds like he fired the AK. |
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Quoted: It doesn't matter what the facts are, the left is turning him into a martyr now and I would expect them to escalate further, watch out for "protests" in the next few days View Quote Sure, it is an information war first and foremost and the narrative the other side wants to sell is they are oppressed by a system so corrupt, it must be entirely replaced right down to its founding document. So, they go around looking for opportunities to highlight how they are oppressed. Why do you think these protesters react like vampires when they see someone they don’t recognize recording them? They don’t want alternate narratives competing with theirs. It is also why shooting protesters, no matter how much they might have earned it, can end up being a a strategic loss. Look at how many pixels have been spilled in this thread trying to establish a narrative based on the thin facts. |
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Quoted: Inquiring minds want to know. https://palmettostatearmory.com/psak-47-gf3-forged-nutmeg-wood-triangle-side-folding-rifle-with-cheese-grater-upper-handguard.html View Quote I wonder if we'll get a new lower out of this |
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I wonder if his black paraplegic girlfriend turned him into the POS that he died as or if he chose a black paraplegic girl out of his need to virtue signal. I'm guessing the latter.
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Quoted: Inquiring minds want to know. https://palmettostatearmory.com/psak-47-gf3-forged-nutmeg-wood-triangle-side-folding-rifle-with-cheese-grater-upper-handguard.html View Quote Hahahaha |
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Quoted: I wish Americans would learn that using a horn isn't pocking a fight. If the Airman hadn't been dumb, he would still be alive and his quadraplegic wife would still have a husband. View Quote |
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Quoted: That is fine. Do it when you have the correlation of forces to actually win the battle. You have the right to do a lot of stuff. Doesn't mean it is the correct decision to do it all the time. Discretion is a thing. Cops have the RIGHT to ticket every single contact they make. Should they? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: But it turns out he wasn't was he. Did he get where he was going? Now he is at the mercy of a liberal jurisdiction. If you're not willing to exercise your rights, do you even have them anymore???? Your position is simply wrong. There are literally millions of legitimate reasons one could NEED to drive on public roads and not "walk in." Quit blaming the tape on the short skirt. It's pathetic You have the right to do a lot of stuff. Doesn't mean it is the correct decision to do it all the time. Discretion is a thing. Cops have the RIGHT to ticket every single contact they make. Should they? You are now just showing how you know nothing about the law or the constitution. I'm going to go out on limb and say you thought the School Resource Officer in Florida was justified in not going into the school to take out the kid killing other students. |
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View Quote Piss on him. |
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Barney Fife of Mayberry told a prisoner that there were two rules in his jail. Rule number 1, no writing on the walls. Rule number 2 , obey all the rules.
There have to be two rules about “protesting.” |
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Quoted: For some reason the sound of a car horn sends the Antifa/BLM "Protesters" into a blind rage and causes them to swarm and strike the the offending vehicle (kind of like stepping on a fire ant nest). Even when a panicked driver starts pushing though the crowd they still swarm the vehicle Is it because we've coddled an entire generation and the just don't recognize danger or are they rushing to become martyrs for the cause? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I wish Americans would learn that using a horn isn't pocking a fight. If the Airman hadn't been dumb, he would still be alive and his quadraplegic wife would still have a husband. I have to compare the reaction to that of a road rager getting honked at. How dare you!" "Oh no you didn't mother fucker!" "You want to start something, huh!?" |
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Quoted: For some reason the sound of a car horn sends the Antifa/BLM "Protesters" into a blind rage and causes them to swarm and strike the the offending vehicle (kind of like stepping on a fire ant nest). Even when a panicked driver starts pushing though the crowd they still swarm the vehicle Is it because we've coddled an entire generation and the just don't recognize danger or are they rushing to become martyrs for the cause? View Quote |
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Quoted: You are now just showing how you know nothing about the law or the constitution. I'm going to go out on limb and say you thought the School Resource Officer in Florida was justified in not going into the school to take out the kid killing other students. View Quote |
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Quoted: I think this is a very plausible scenario. Everyone assumes AK guy fired his rifle, but what if he didn’t? First set of shots aimed toward camera, then the others later aimed away could sound different. At some point we will know if that AK was fired that night, so I’m not trying to argue, I’m just speculating. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: As a statement in isolation I would agree, but overall looking at both videos, and the numerous statements (all of questionable provenance, but all consistent), and adding in the apparent text admissions of medic returning fire...I don't think it was Garrett shooting first. The initial gunshots, if fired from the drivers side of the car towards the cameraman in the original video, are naturally going to sound loud because the sound is being directed right at the camera, with a building right behind to enhance the echo. The cameraman then runs and falls, and the second set are fainter. If both sets were pistol rounds, and the second set was being fired by BLM medic at the retreating vehicle heading away from the intersection, they're naturally going to sound considerably quieter because they're aimed away from the camera, and at a further distance. And quite possibly also a smaller caliber handgun caliber as well. Watching the dashcam video from the other car makes this seem even more likely. Look at the delay between the crowd reacting to the initial shots, and when the car starts driving away. Had Garrett shot first, the driver would have been sitting there stationary and only opened fire *after* starting to pull away. It's far harder to conceive of a scenario playing out where the rifle equipped pedestrian misses 5 shots at point blank on a stopped vehicle, then several seconds of delay while he stands there aiming, before the driver speeds off and scores fatal hits while shooting over his left shoulder. Just because someone shoots a protestor in the road does not make it a good shoot. My money would be that the driver probably panicked, realized he was blocked in, and then saw Garrett coming towards him with the rifle out. Driver feared for his life, and shot first then unassed the area. Medic sees Garrett getting shot, and decides to open fire in defense of Garrett. Murder charges get filed, and everything becomes an unguessable mess as this gets added to the stack of messy cases that have piled up in the past few months, and subject mostly to biased reporting and biased prosecutions. It was pretty clear that rifle shots rang out first. The news is also stating this. You are spinning this into BS it is not. I think this is a very plausible scenario. Everyone assumes AK guy fired his rifle, but what if he didn’t? First set of shots aimed toward camera, then the others later aimed away could sound different. At some point we will know if that AK was fired that night, so I’m not trying to argue, I’m just speculating. Does it really matter who shot first? Driver is caught up in a hostile mob and a guy approaches him with an AK. |
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Quoted: All you need to know this corn pop was a bad actor was the cheese grater upper handguard. No decent human being would do that. I also dont get the meme at the end of the post. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Garrett Foster, the Black Lives Matter supporter who was shot and killed tonight in Austin, TX, was interviewed with his AK47.
Looks like he just got the AK about a month ago. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/505435/5038FFB9-034C-4D92-82DC-7A78A907218B_jpe-1519970.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/505435/A2024E62-BB28-449F-AB53-019962A113FC_jpe-1519971.JPG All you need to know this corn pop was a bad actor was the cheese grater upper handguard. No decent human being would do that. I also dont get the meme at the end of the post. |
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Quoted: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ed3ESv2XsAIuZ6-?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ed3_rmeWoAAFMpt?format=jpg&name=large View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ed3ESv2XsAIuZ6-?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ed3_rmeWoAAFMpt?format=jpg&name=large This is #GarrettFoster drawing down on someone and getting shot for it So he was smoked by friendly fire? |
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Roller girl will find a new virtuous dipshit and probably take him to Garrett’s funeral. Do you think we will start seeing consumer grade truck mounted snow plows for sale around the major cities in Texas soon?
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Quoted: Marxists have a fetish for perceived victims. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I wonder if his black paraplegic girlfriend turned him into the POS that he died as or if he chose a black paraplegic girl out of his need to virtue signal. I'm guessing the latter. Marxists have a fetish for perceived victims. Well, you know that a hand job is out of the question. |
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Quoted: Inquiring minds want to know. https://palmettostatearmory.com/psak-47-gf3-forged-nutmeg-wood-triangle-side-folding-rifle-with-cheese-grater-upper-handguard.html View Quote Lol, I almost didn't read through all the questions about that rifle. Glad I did. |
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Quoted: The Point is PROSECUTION as PUNISHMENT. Same as the St. Louis Couple. Even the most trifle Felony Criminal Matter is $5,000 of Attorney Fees + Costs... and since any D.A. can indict a Ham Sandwich, if it goes to actual Trial, the driver is now looking at perhaps $20,000 or more just to be found not guilty. Travis County won't pay his legal fees. And if the Widow decides to file Civil charges (she will easily find a lefty scum bag lawyer to do so) he is on the hook yet again for more legal expenses. He will "Win" but Lose Everything to do so... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Nope. So as much as many here are screaming "HE HAS A RIGHT TO DRIVE ON THAT STREET!!!" Actually no. He didn't. If you think that right should be retaken, well. That DA wants to be your Huckleberry. Regardless of that, he sure had the right to return fire when some dip shit rioter decided he would enforce that no driving on his street rule by cranking four rounds of AK into his car. I don't know what you guys think is going to happen here to say this. If even charged, the driver is going to go in front of a grand jury and he is going to get no-billed. These things are not left up to individual prosecutors in Texas. The Point is PROSECUTION as PUNISHMENT. Same as the St. Louis Couple. Even the most trifle Felony Criminal Matter is $5,000 of Attorney Fees + Costs... and since any D.A. can indict a Ham Sandwich, if it goes to actual Trial, the driver is now looking at perhaps $20,000 or more just to be found not guilty. Travis County won't pay his legal fees. And if the Widow decides to file Civil charges (she will easily find a lefty scum bag lawyer to do so) he is on the hook yet again for more legal expenses. He will "Win" but Lose Everything to do so... All very possible, but still far better than spending two years and $150k defending the criminal charges. Okay, on 2nd look, you can get a public defender here, but I would mortgage the house before doing that. Same for the $20k attorney, if they even exist. |
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View Quote I couldn't make it out until this blown up pic. His butt stock is up at his shoulder, and the gun looks like it's hanging sort of low ready. |
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Quoted: All very possible, but still far better than spending two years and $150k defending the criminal charges. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: All very possible, but still far better than spending two years and $150k defending the criminal charges. Quoted: All very possible, but still far better than spending two years and $150k defending the criminal charges. Dead versus broke? Let me think, that's a tough one. It's close, but I'm going to have to go with broke. |
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Quoted: You are now just showing how you know nothing about the law or the constitution. I'm going to go out on limb and say you thought the School Resource Officer in Florida was justified in not going into the school to take out the kid killing other students. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: But it turns out he wasn't was he. Did he get where he was going? Now he is at the mercy of a liberal jurisdiction. If you're not willing to exercise your rights, do you even have them anymore???? Your position is simply wrong. There are literally millions of legitimate reasons one could NEED to drive on public roads and not "walk in." Quit blaming the tape on the short skirt. It's pathetic You have the right to do a lot of stuff. Doesn't mean it is the correct decision to do it all the time. Discretion is a thing. Cops have the RIGHT to ticket every single contact they make. Should they? You are now just showing how you know nothing about the law or the constitution. I'm going to go out on limb and say you thought the School Resource Officer in Florida was justified in not going into the school to take out the kid killing other students. |
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Quoted: No, that Sherrick guy says you should just park and walk through the protest....... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I'm seeing a lot of people slamming the driver for going thru a riot. He should have known better, etc, You cannot guys, the local Antifa/BLM picks an initial meetup location, usually the PD. It's only mentioned on websites under ANTIFA control They then go mobile. That is intentional since they know EVERYONE avoids the PD after 4pm because of the violence. They can wander all over downtown and then intent is to cause confrontation. They do this NIGHTLY. A hell of a lot of people live downtown. Lots of condos. It's unavoidable unless you fort up in your residence before sunset. No, that Sherrick guy says you should just park and walk through the protest....... The above is called a CLUE, on not where to go and when if you don't want to get caught up in a riot. |
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Quoted: APD has located a third shooter. Another rioter with a handgun. (A report on KVUE) It may be that the moron was killed by friendly fire. View Quote Talk about a happy ending. One dead commie and one in for life. ETA: If true. ETA2: Okay, I read the news story now. The latest is that the AK guy may have never fired a shot. He was shot approaching the car with his rifle and another person shot at the car. This may change again. |
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Quoted: Black lives matter so much the guy goes out and starts a confrontation so he can get shot to death and leave his black quadriplegic wife to fend for herself in the world. View Quote Attached File ZERO fucks given, you win |
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Quoted: Put Sherrick on ignore and move on with your life. This is what he does, troll-life. I can't believe they let him back in. View Quote Thanks for the heads-up. I'm not familiar with him, but it makes a little more sense now..... Acting like hospital staff responding to an emergency page should park and walk through a protest should've been a big hint....... |
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Quoted: I live in Austin. Woke and heard about this. Spent at least 4 hours watching youtube, reading Twitter, watching news. Honestly? I don't think I have enough information to have a completely informed opinion. One thing that disturbs me. People on the left go to their automatic postion, "Garrett Foster was murdered". People on the right go to their automatic postion "the driver acted in self-defense". In just a few hours people have already determined what to believe about what happened. Foster and the driver deserve to considered innocent until proven guilty beyond a resonable doubt, or at the very least people should wait for more information to come out. View Quote I know a communist became a good communist. I don’t give a shit who shot first, I only wish more of them would’ve died. |
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Quoted: You're kidding, right? Your vehicle is you most powerful defensive weapon in your arsenal providing physical protection, lethal force and a means of evacuation. Why would anyone deliberately abandon their vehicle and go on foot? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: As for the driver. Why the fuck would you be driving in downtown Austin, Portland, LA, Seattle, Shitcago or other major cities that have active antifa bullshit going on. Use some common sense. Even if you live there. Park several blocks away and just walk in. I hope he gets off scot free, but damn. I sure would not be doing that right now. You're kidding, right? Your vehicle is you most powerful defensive weapon in your arsenal providing physical protection, lethal force and a means of evacuation. Why would anyone deliberately abandon their vehicle and go on foot? The car in that situation is a big shiny thing drawing in all the protesters. Have you not watched a single video with cars in the middle of people? A pedestrian is just another one in hundreds of people. Don't drive into a riot, not unless you are willing to drive THROUGH the riot. |
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weird just saw this online and came to see what arfcom though and we have someone who knows the guy.
Sorry for your loss OP. I'll read the rest of the thread before posting anything else. Hoping the real story is available. |
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