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Posted: 5/10/2019 12:42:44 PM EST
I attended a Grand Rounds at work this morning at which the MD spoke at length about Opioid addition among the elderly.  It is a big problem in disguise so to speak.
Some pieces of info:

A very large increase in reported and actual opioid abuse by elderly (65 and over) kicked off about 2011 or about 4 years latter than the larger national trend.  This data was gathered from 5 sources including treatment centers and the Poison Control Call Center.  Since 2013, the under 65 age group curves downward in use and problems while the over 65 age group continues to rise in use and problems from the same time.
A significant number of elderly get started on opioid pain meds latter in life and end up becoming addicted.
Data from a study from Norway comparing sobriety and mortality of two groups of opioid addicts from all age groups was looked at.  One group got methadone maintenance while a second group did not.  Apparently Norway outlawed methadone for a decade sometime in the 80's, but those on the program when it was outlawed were grandfathered in.  1,000 people from each group.
About 1/3rd of those on methadone were still sober and alive at age 55 with a slow drop-off after that as they aged.  2 people were sober and alive from the group that did not get methadone at age 55.
Methadone does make a difference.

Food for thought for folks to consider related to family.
Link Posted: 5/10/2019 12:44:33 PM EST
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It also opens up a huge avenue for siblings or children to steal the elder's pills and sell them.  It's a fuck-all mess.
Link Posted: 5/10/2019 12:46:28 PM EST
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Doctors made this mess and now my 81 year old mother in law who’s in chronic pain can’t get meds to help get comfortable enough to get a decent nights sleep.
Link Posted: 5/10/2019 12:47:53 PM EST
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Lol you drug warriors are as bad as liberal "blood in the streets" zealots.

So they are now addicted to methadone, which is 10 times harder to get off of.  I guess, yay?  All because of the feels of "opioid addiction".

You seem to be perfectly fine with them being addicted to methadone, but not opioids....why?
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Large pharma and doctors are both to blame for the epidemic.  I would say big pharma more given that they withheld information on risks.
Link Posted: 5/10/2019 12:49:25 PM EST
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It also opens up a huge avenue for siblings or children to steal the elder's pills and sell them.  It's a fuck-all mess.
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Right....people with kids shouldn't be able to own guns either.  It just opens up a huge avenue for children to have access to weapons of war and creates a huge fucking mess.

You guys and your liberal logic crack me up.
Link Posted: 5/10/2019 12:50:04 PM EST
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Lol you drug warriors are as bad as liberal "blood in the streets" zealots.

So they are now addicted to methadone, which is 10 times harder to get off of.  I guess, yay?  All because of the feels of "opioid addiction".

You seem to be perfectly fine with them being addicted to methadone, but not opioids....why?
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The answer to your question is obvious.  There is also suboxone as a treatment option as well.
Link Posted: 5/10/2019 12:50:15 PM EST
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Don't worry guys we are one more drug of the week away from winning the war on drugs.
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Doctors made this mess and now my 81 year old mother in law who’s in chronic pain can’t get meds to help get comfortable enough to get a decent nights sleep.
Large pharma and doctors are both to blame for the epidemic.  I would say big pharma more given that they withheld information on risks.
Fine, both are to blame but it doesn’t help an old lady sleep.
Link Posted: 5/10/2019 12:51:34 PM EST
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So what is the addiction rate, Doc?
Link Posted: 5/10/2019 12:52:58 PM EST
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Give up on the damn pill crisis.  Soon you won't be able to get a pain pill after a major surgery.  Everything should be legal and you should be able to judge for yourself what is needed and what is not.
Link Posted: 5/10/2019 12:55:32 PM EST
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The answer to your question is obvious.  There is also suboxone as a treatment option as well.
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Lol you drug warriors are as bad as liberal "blood in the streets" zealots.

So they are now addicted to methadone, which is 10 times harder to get off of.  I guess, yay?  All because of the feels of "opioid addiction".

You seem to be perfectly fine with them being addicted to methadone, but not opioids....why?
The answer to your question is obvious.  There is also suboxone as a treatment option as well.
The answer to my question is far from obvious.  Please enlighten me.
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Give up on the damn pill crisis.  Soon you won't be able to get a pain pill after a major surgery.  Everything should be legal and you should be able to judge for yourself what is needed and what is not.
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Why do you hate children so much?  Cleary, freedom to make bad choices need to be drastically curtailed.  It's for our own good after all.  Besides, actions having consequences is racist or something.
Link Posted: 5/10/2019 12:56:28 PM EST
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Say it enough and it become so. Old people need pain meds. Who would have ever guessed it.
Todays news. Old people hurt but we saved them from addiction.
Tomorrows news unexplained increase in suicide among the elderly.
Link Posted: 5/10/2019 1:03:31 PM EST
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Whatever.
Link Posted: 5/10/2019 1:04:24 PM EST
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Wanted some actual context:

American Society on Aging: Adults 45 and older die from opioids at a rate of 10.6 per 100,000 according to the most recent study I could find. (CDC 2015)

10.6 per 100,000 is considered "destroying."
Link Posted: 5/10/2019 1:04:58 PM EST
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If some old person wants to get high all day on painkillers who gives a shit
Link Posted: 5/10/2019 1:07:38 PM EST
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Wanted some actual context:

American Society on Aging: Adults 45 and older die from opioids at a rate of 10.6 per 100,000 according to the most recent study I could find. (CDC 2015)

10.6 per 100,000 is considered "destroying."
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Don't be bringing facts into this shit.

The drug warriors aren't going to be having that.....they know what's best for you because their feels tells them.  That's all you need to know.
Link Posted: 5/10/2019 1:10:13 PM EST
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Remember the first season of Gold Rush Alaska where it turned out about a quarter of the crew, (Todd's father, his friend and some other guy), were all dependent on rx opioids?
Link Posted: 5/10/2019 1:11:46 PM EST
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My mom is living this misery now, my deceased dad before her. Chronic pain from previous injuries/surgeries result in essentially 24/7 pain limiting mobility and quality of life. Prescription pain killers are the only relief and ability to be more active and have a fulfilling day, however everyone is freaking out about addition. Now my mother (and many like her,) have to do without or have so little pain medicine it doesn't dent the pain so they simply have to "bare it."

Shit is fucked up and honestly has changed my mind of assisted suicide. They're old and dying, for God's sake give them the chemicals to make what time they have left peaceful or let them kill themselves in dignity without the ramifications.
Link Posted: 5/10/2019 1:13:48 PM EST
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A friend's mom recently died and while cleaning out the house they found dozens of pill bottles full of her pain meds. She was supposed to be taking them as needed, but only needed a fraction of what she could take. Regardless of how much she had left, she asked for a refill. Of course all the pills disappeared and no one knows who took them.
Link Posted: 5/10/2019 1:15:30 PM EST
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Don't be bringing facts into this shit.

The drug warriors aren't going to be having that.....they know what's best for you because their feels tells them.  That's all you need to know.
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Wanted some actual context:

American Society on Aging: Adults 45 and older die from opioids at a rate of 10.6 per 100,000 according to the most recent study I could find. (CDC 2015)

10.6 per 100,000 is considered "destroying."
Don't be bringing facts into this shit.

The drug warriors aren't going to be having that.....they know what's best for you because their feels tells them.  That's all you need to know.
.000106 percent of adults aged 45 and older, in 2015.

.000108 in "rural" areas, however that is defined.

Probably higher in 2018. So... what would DOUBLE the rate be? .000212?
Link Posted: 5/10/2019 1:18:05 PM EST
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Doctors made this mess and now my 81 year old mother in law who’s in chronic pain can’t get meds to help get comfortable enough to get a decent nights sleep.
Large pharma and doctors are both to blame for the epidemic.  I would say big pharma more given that they withheld information on risks.
Link Posted: 5/10/2019 1:18:16 PM EST
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The answer to your question is obvious.  There is also suboxone as a treatment option as well.
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Lol you drug warriors are as bad as liberal "blood in the streets" zealots.

So they are now addicted to methadone, which is 10 times harder to get off of.  I guess, yay?  All because of the feels of "opioid addiction".

You seem to be perfectly fine with them being addicted to methadone, but not opioids....why?
The answer to your question is obvious.  There is also suboxone as a treatment option as well.
I'd rather withdrawal from vics then subs or methadone.
Link Posted: 5/10/2019 1:18:44 PM EST
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Fine, both are to blame but it doesn’t help an old lady sleep.
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Doctors made this mess and now my 81 year old mother in law who’s in chronic pain can’t get meds to help get comfortable enough to get a decent nights sleep.
Large pharma and doctors are both to blame for the epidemic.  I would say big pharma more given that they withheld information on risks.
Fine, both are to blame but it doesn’t help an old lady sleep.
This!
Link Posted: 5/10/2019 1:21:34 PM EST
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methadone causes me to hallucinate opiates do very little for me.
Link Posted: 5/10/2019 1:21:44 PM EST
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LOL.  I understand the sarcasm.
Link Posted: 5/10/2019 1:25:19 PM EST
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Which suboxone treatment are we talking about, the multi-day or multi-year approach? Because one can be beneficial if administered correctly and the other is worse to come off of than the opioids themselves.
Link Posted: 5/10/2019 1:26:18 PM EST
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Exactly! That's the elephant in the room nobody wants to discuss!

The people saying "no more opioids" are all people that haven't NEEDED them yet.
Link Posted: 5/10/2019 1:27:12 PM EST
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My Dad is in the same boat.  He's 72 and dealing with extreme chronic pain from a hard life which included a number of neck and back injuries.

The VA is no help, workman's comp from injuries sustained on the police department is a joke.  Going to a doctor and people think he's drug seeking... Meanwhile, he can't walk without a cane and will come in with half a bottle of morphine from the last time a doctor would actually help and tell them, "Look... I don't want to get high... If I wanted to just get high, I have pills. Ever see a junkie with leftover drugs? I just need help."

Fucking nothing. "Try ibuprofen?" He's been on the max dose of ibuprofen for about 20 years and it doesn't really help much anymore.

The worst part is that there's literally nothing I can do to help. I could give a fuck if he ended up addicted to something as long as his last years are manageable.
Link Posted: 5/10/2019 1:37:56 PM EST
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My wife had a raging toothache a month ago. Dentist told her to take otc meds.

I wanted to inflict serious pain on each and every drug warrior standing in the way of someone in pain getting a little relief.

Fuck you all. I hope you wind up dying in your own feces and in excruciating constant pain.
Link Posted: 5/10/2019 1:42:50 PM EST
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Nvrmnd bad taste
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My Dad is in the same boat.  He's 72 and dealing with extreme chronic pain from a hard life which included a number of neck and back injuries.

The VA is no help, workman's comp from injuries sustained on the police department is a joke.  Going to a doctor and people think he's drug seeking... Meanwhile, he can't walk without a cane and will come in with half a bottle of morphine from the last time a doctor would actually help and tell them, "Look... I don't want to get high... If I wanted to just get high, I have pills. Ever see a junkie with leftover drugs? I just need help."

Fucking nothing. "Try ibuprofen?" He's been on the max dose of ibuprofen for about 20 years and it doesn't really help much anymore.

The worst part is that there's literally nothing I can do to help. I could give a fuck if he ended up addicted to something as long as his last years are manageable.
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Exactly the problem. People live longer nowadays because we have the medications to make you feel good enough to want it. Chronic non stop pain is unbearable, I know because I lived it for about 15 years myself due to many, many surgeries to fix lots of broken bones.

This country was settled, mined and built on elixirs filled with opioids! People that do manual labor their whole lives don't have the old bodies of those that suffered paper in an office...AKA the dudes fighting to turn drugs off.
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Lol what?
Link Posted: 5/10/2019 1:50:11 PM EST
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Say it enough and it become so. Old people need pain meds. Who would have ever guessed it.
Todays news. Old people hurt but we saved them from addiction.
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you must be psychic
Link Posted: 5/10/2019 1:50:18 PM EST
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and there is the major problem

Get the freaking govt out of medicine

Let the docs prescribe pain meds
Link Posted: 5/10/2019 1:50:24 PM EST
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My wife has had a hard time getting pain relievers after surgery.

Fuck the politicians and the drug warriors.
Link Posted: 5/10/2019 1:51:31 PM EST
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How about one old person wants to be free from debilitating pain so they can have some meaning in their rest of their
lives...
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Lol what?
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Large pharma and doctors are both to blame for the epidemic.  I would say big pharma more given that they withheld information on risks.
Lol what?
Don't you know.

Nobody had any clue that morphine, heroin and the like were addictive until lawyers and politicians figures out there was massive amounts of money and power to be had in saying it was a crisis.

Never had an inkling about opium dens or the VN gets coming back addicted to morphine er nuthin.

Better not give that stage 4 cancer patient oxy...He might become an addict for the last 4 months of his life.
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ahh the million dollar question !!!


1. life insurance companies
2. loan insurance companies
3. lawyers who live off of malpractice lawsuits
4. leftist trying to stir up shit
5. opiod producing companies
6. health insurance companies
Link Posted: 5/10/2019 1:54:48 PM EST
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My wife has had a hard time getting pain relievers after surgery.

Fuck the politicians and the drug warriors.
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They may get fucked.

Let the right man see a loved one in chronic pain deprived of relief...
Link Posted: 5/10/2019 1:55:20 PM EST
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My wife had a raging toothache a month ago. Dentist told her to take otc meds.

I wanted to inflict serious pain on each and every drug warrior standing in the way of someone in pain getting a little relief.

Fuck you all. I hope you wind up dying in your own feces and in excruciating constant pain.
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Hard same.
Link Posted: 5/10/2019 1:56:46 PM EST
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How can you withhold common knowledge?
Link Posted: 5/10/2019 1:58:17 PM EST
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The answer to your question is obvious.  There is also suboxone as a treatment option as well.
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And suboxone treatment is just as hard to get off of, both are harder than heroin. They're designed to be tapered off of but most Dr's don't. Why would they? They've got student loans to pay for and they have repeat customers that the government is paying for.  
That's just the medical aspect of it. Neither one gets to the root of why they were using drugs in the first place.
Link Posted: 5/10/2019 2:04:30 PM EST
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lol it's no surprise to anyone that has participated in the marijuana debate at all over the last 15 years
the biggest opponents are boomers who themselves are chugging opiates like candy
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My wife had a raging toothache a month ago. Dentist told her to take otc meds.

I wanted to inflict serious pain on each and every drug warrior standing in the way of someone in pain getting a little relief.

Fuck you all. I hope you wind up dying in your own feces and in excruciating constant pain.
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This about sums it up.
Link Posted: 5/10/2019 2:05:48 PM EST
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Just think guys,,,All the corrupt pols in DC are telling you that your folks must suffer, your kids must suffer and you must suffer when all the while they live their lives devoid of pain because none of them will EVER or have EVER had a job where injuries are a possibility. I just love my country. So many great decisions are made for me that I don't have to worry at all.
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Reddish-brown and extremely bitter, laudanum contains almost all of the opium alkaloids, including morphine and codeine. Laudanum was historically used to treat a variety of conditions, but its principal use was as a pain medication and cough suppressant. Until the early 20th century, laudanum was sold without a prescription
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-Wiki

How Did The Human Race Fucking Survive before the drug warriors rescued us?
Link Posted: 5/10/2019 2:07:11 PM EST
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I agree

Last time I went to the hospital for a kidney stone they tried to give me ibuprofen and a banana bag

Wtf
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"Doin' right ain't got no end."
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