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Posted: 1/22/2020 7:54:58 AM EDT
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meh.....more psa crap for the fudd masses..... |
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Posted: 1/22/2020 8:08:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL, yeah, I wasn’t gonna open that can of worms but all the h8ters come out every time there’s a piston AR thread ... except when they don’t. I’m a huge piston AR fan and I’m interested in seeing if this ever comes to fruition! |
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Posted: 1/22/2020 8:55:53 AM EDT
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 Palmetto State Armory PSAK-E, PSA5, PS9 Dagger, PSA JAKL - SHOT Show 2020 "You know how to stop a commie from drowning?" "No" "Good!" 
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Posted: 1/22/2020 9:04:27 AM EDT
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Will it require a tax stamp?
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Posted: 1/22/2020 9:07:15 AM EDT
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Will it require a tax stamp? |
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Posted: 1/22/2020 10:26:55 AM EDT
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I'll buy it.
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Posted: 1/22/2020 10:36:35 AM EDT
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I'll buy it. |
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Posted: 1/22/2020 10:38:34 AM EDT
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BRN-180S URG is $830. I predict these hitting the market at $800. I'll bite.
But hopefully it's both upper and brace. But I'd bet no. Brace will likely MSRP at $200. Just take 5 cents off the amounts I've quoted to show $199.85, and $799.95 |
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Posted: 1/22/2020 11:29:31 AM EDT
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Yeah, in 300BO pistons I've already got a PWS MK109 (9" long-stroke) and an Adams UA-9.5-P-XLP-EVO-300BLK (9.5" short-stroke) but neither of those are "bufferless" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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LOL, yeah, I wasn't gonna open that can of worms but all the h8ters come out every time there's a piston AR thread ... except when they don't.
I'm a huge piston AR fan and I'm interested in seeing if this ever comes to fruition! Keep your eyes in Superlative Arms as well. They are releasing a short 300 BLK barrelled piston upper (already was supposed to be out). Not sure about final configuration or length yet. On a side note, I wonder why they went with the long stroke over the AR-180 short stroke piston everybody else uses these days. |
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Posted: 1/22/2020 11:43:22 AM EDT
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I assume you would need to use the JACKL gas block but can the JACKL use AR15 barrels?
Looks very interesting to me. I would like one with a Colt 11.5" FBI barrel. |
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Posted: 1/22/2020 11:45:11 AM EDT
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I think it just means there's no buffer tube and buffer. It's just a gas piston driven gun with a recoil/return spring inside the receiver. Not sure why they say bufferless instead of long stroke gas piston. On a side note, I wonder why they went with the long stroke over the AR-180 short stroke piston everybody else uses these days. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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LOL, yeah, I wasn't gonna open that can of worms but all the h8ters come out every time there's a piston AR thread ... except when they don't.
I'm a huge piston AR fan and I'm interested in seeing if this ever comes to fruition! Keep your eyes in Superlative Arms as well. They are releasing a short 300 BLK barrelled piston upper (already was supposed to be out). Not sure about final configuration or length yet. On a side note, I wonder why they went with the long stroke over the AR-180 short stroke piston everybody else uses these days. |
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Posted: 1/22/2020 11:50:03 AM EDT
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I haven't heard barrel length yet?
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Posted: 1/22/2020 11:50:09 AM EDT
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I'll be buying in 300 blk(hopefully 8"ish barrel)Depending on the rest of the specs, but I'm really excited it's a mono upper. No better way to do it IMO.
Hopefully we can get a FN CHF barrel. If this was Geissele, LMT, etc.. this would be a 10+page thread by now. Pretty excited about this though, could be my new HD gun. |
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Posted: 1/22/2020 11:52:18 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/22/2020 12:03:37 PM EDT
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I'm definitely down for a .45, maybe a 9mm.
I hope they do it. |
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Posted: 1/22/2020 12:17:35 PM EDT
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Looks sweet.
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Posted: 1/22/2020 12:28:36 PM EDT
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Damn it. I've got other stuff I need to spend money on this year.
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Posted: 1/22/2020 12:47:16 PM EDT
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I want a scaled up one in 308 |
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Posted: 1/22/2020 2:33:24 PM EDT
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Sorry, I meant the preceding uppers required a traditional buffer and recoil spring in a lower-receiver-attached buffer tube just like a classic DI AR does. Short- vs long-stroke shouldn't (to my knowledge) have anything to do with "bufferless" or not - I believe you could build a short-stroke piston system that's "bufferless" just like you could a long-stroke. The PWS upper is long-stroke while the Adams is short-stroke, and both need the "standard" buffer setup. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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LOL, yeah, I wasn't gonna open that can of worms but all the h8ters come out every time there's a piston AR thread ... except when they don't.
I'm a huge piston AR fan and I'm interested in seeing if this ever comes to fruition! Keep your eyes in Superlative Arms as well. They are releasing a short 300 BLK barrelled piston upper (already was supposed to be out). Not sure about final configuration or length yet. On a side note, I wonder why they went with the long stroke over the AR-180 short stroke piston everybody else uses these days.
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Posted: 1/22/2020 2:34:29 PM EDT
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I'm definitely down for a .45, maybe a 9mm. I hope they do it. 
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Posted: 1/22/2020 6:47:53 PM EDT
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BRN-180S URG is $830. I predict these hitting the market at $800. I'll bite. But hopefully it's both upper and brace. But I'd bet no. Brace will likely MSRP at $200. Just take 5 cents off the amounts I've quoted to show $199.85, and $799.95 Edit: I’m wrong, they still haven’t released it but should soon according to robski |
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Posted: 1/22/2020 8:27:25 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/22/2020 8:29:05 PM EDT
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How hard can a .223/5.56 kick? Shit, I had a 14" Contender barrel for a while. Even with the scope that was much lighter than most any AR pattern rifle and it was like shooting a rimfire. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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without buffer wouldn't it kick harder? |
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Posted: 1/22/2020 8:37:35 PM EDT
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In for the shortest barrel length in 300 BLK if somebody knows. Other manufacturers have tried and been unsuccessful doing a very short 300 BLK with a long stroke piston system. https://media.giphy.com/media/20Jfbkqya7nrp7EcMP/giphy.gif |
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Posted: 1/22/2020 8:38:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Holy shit man $2200!!!!!!!!!!! That’s nuts! |
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Posted: 1/22/2020 8:48:53 PM EDT
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Not sure what the barrel is going to be made of, probably not stainless at PSA's price points. I heard PSA say in an interview that the entire gun would be $799. I'd guess at least half that or better for only the upper.
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Posted: 1/22/2020 8:49:55 PM EDT
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Holy shit man $2200!!!!!!!!!!! That’s nuts! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In for the shortest barrel length in 300 BLK if somebody knows. Other manufacturers have tried and been unsuccessful doing a very short 300 BLK with a long stroke piston system. https://media.giphy.com/media/20Jfbkqya7nrp7EcMP/giphy.gif |
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Posted: 1/22/2020 10:50:35 PM EDT
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I thought the same things, and the gun is proprietary as all hell. That price point for tat style gun is why you never see them anywhere, ever. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In for the shortest barrel length in 300 BLK if somebody knows. Other manufacturers have tried and been unsuccessful doing a very short 300 BLK with a long stroke piston system. https://media.giphy.com/media/20Jfbkqya7nrp7EcMP/giphy.gif |
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Posted: 1/23/2020 12:12:17 AM EDT
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I have not been interested in any more ar15 type rifles. Just don't need anymore (I know, never enough..). But this just shot to the top of my list. Love it. Looking forward to seeing how it performs.
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Posted: 1/23/2020 3:21:27 AM EDT
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Is this the same design as the ARFcom 10th Anniversary SEBR? Anyone? It is not. The PSA JAKL uses a long-stroke piston. The 10th Anniversary SEBR had a ZM Weapons LR-300 upper. It had a unique gas system that basically had a very long gas key, which went out past the upper receiver and stopped before the gas block. The extended key slide over the gas tube, and there's a spring over that, which is kind of like a piston. It also had a a chopped bolt carrier (so that it would work with the folding stock; proprietary FCG parts were needed for the select fire versions due to that). |
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Posted: 1/23/2020 3:43:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I want one of these pistol grips. |
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Posted: 1/23/2020 4:10:41 AM EDT
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Damn it. I've got other stuff I need to spend money on this year.
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Posted: 1/23/2020 8:08:38 AM EDT
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I want a complete LR-300. Sadly those are rare as hens teeth now. |
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Posted: 1/23/2020 8:09:31 AM EDT
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Damn it. I've got other stuff I need to spend money on this year. |
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Posted: 1/23/2020 8:12:12 AM EDT
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mmmm .300 BLK, yes please....
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Posted: 1/23/2020 1:10:38 PM EDT
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Bump for barrel length of the 300 BLK if any member is at Shot Show and boobs because reasons.
ETA: Got an answer from a Shot Show PSA video, 7.5" barrel length! 
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Posted: 1/23/2020 7:58:13 PM EDT
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Pretty sure the brace is already on their AK9 Edit: I’m wrong, they still haven’t released it but should soon according to robski Quote HistoryQuoted:
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BRN-180S URG is $830. I predict these hitting the market at $800. I'll bite. But hopefully it's both upper and brace. But I'd bet no. Brace will likely MSRP at $200. Just take 5 cents off the amounts I've quoted to show $199.85, and $799.95 Edit: I’m wrong, they still haven’t released it but should soon according to robski |
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Posted: 1/24/2020 2:05:12 AM EDT
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of course this would be announced right after I buy a CZ Bren.....
I'll still get one though.. |
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Posted: 1/24/2020 2:21:15 AM EDT
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7.5 for 300BLK
10.5 for 5.56 Per one of the videos |
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Posted: 1/24/2020 4:11:21 AM EDT
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Really? MCX will set you back $1500-2000 based on a very quick innerweb search. Not sure I really care about this as a full gun, but you can get this upper and throw it on an existing SBR or pistol lower, which makes for a very small/neat package. Not sure on price yet but if it sticks with PSA's model it will be extremely affordable. My HD gun is a 300 BLK 8" pistol. If these run right it would be nice to have the same thing but have the ability to fold it. Adjustable gas is also good to have. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Interesting but why bother? At that point you may as well build from the ground up. See the MCX. I like that they're expanding but they seem like they might be pushing too hard. Get the AKs right, get those MP5s out, and we'll see about those Glock things. Seems like they have their plate full as is. Not sure I really care about this as a full gun, but you can get this upper and throw it on an existing SBR or pistol lower, which makes for a very small/neat package. Not sure on price yet but if it sticks with PSA's model it will be extremely affordable. My HD gun is a 300 BLK 8" pistol. If these run right it would be nice to have the same thing but have the ability to fold it. Adjustable gas is also good to have. Because PSA is trying to make theses items affordable to the majority of firearms owners. The intent is to get these items out in the wild to the point they are considered an "in common use" item. This protects items to a degree from certain gov regulations. Their own PSA "glock clone" will retail for $299, and their AR and AK offerings are priced so low to get them out in the hands of the public and "in common use". PSA has stated before that their business strategy is "That every man be armed". I stand for that. PSA is not just trying to make a buck, which they are, their trying to arm everyone because they believe in the importance of the 2A. From the other thread. Palmetto State Armory PSAK-E, PSA5, PS9 Dagger, PSA JAKL - SHOT Show 2020 |
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Posted: 1/24/2020 5:07:41 AM EDT
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Pure tits and winning from the Palmi bois.
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Posted: 1/25/2020 11:25:47 AM EDT
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They are making cool stuff.
That jakl looks sweet. I have had the BRN 180 in my brownwells shoping cart for a week. But the side charging handle no reciprocating on jkl is mo better |
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Posted: 1/25/2020 11:30:27 AM EDT
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Make it in 7.62x39 with a bolt that doesn’t eat extractors every 1k rounds and I’m interested.
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Posted: 1/25/2020 11:38:57 AM EDT
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Make it in 7.62x39 with a bolt that doesn’t eat extractors every 1k rounds and I’m interested. |
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Posted: 1/25/2020 11:50:05 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/25/2020 11:53:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Mags are the 2nd failure point. Just go .300 BLK. There are AR x39 mags that work well enough. I have no interest in 300. I want to shoot for cheap and in volume. Fix the bolt and extractor issues and I’m interested. |
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Posted: 1/25/2020 11:56:42 AM EDT
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Make it in 6.5 grendel or offer a conversion kit.
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Posted: 1/25/2020 12:06:03 PM EDT
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Apparently, its going to be around their Premium AR price range, $799-899.
Per this video:  PSA Unveils the JAKL AR/AK Hybrid (SHOT Show 2020) Also mentioned, they are wanting to do carbine and DMR style uppers and in other calibers like 6.5 Grendel. *Edit* Apparently I can post youtube videos now? huh... |
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Posted: 1/25/2020 1:44:42 PM EDT
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Apparently, its going to be around their Premium AR price range, $799-899. Per this video:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1yE1ZnC6uw
Also mentioned, they are wanting to do carbine and DMR style uppers and in other calibers like 6.5 Grendel. *Edit* Apparently I can post youtube videos now? huh... |
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Posted: 1/25/2020 2:08:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I believe that is it. That’s not a bad price.  Not that there is anything wrong with that. |
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