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Posted: 1/25/2020 2:13:41 PM EDT
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Are there any numbers as far as weight available?
I got a Kel-Tec PLR-16 earlier this year and built it into a lightweight folding-braced pistol, with a specific idea in mind. Now I suspect I'll remove the brace and return it to stock config, as this is exactly what I wanted and is built to a far better standard with far better features. |
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Posted: 1/25/2020 2:14:34 PM EDT
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Does nobody see the humor in putting an AK "stock" on an "AR"? PSA did it!!  Not that there is anything wrong with that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I believe that is it. That's not a bad price. Not that there is anything wrong with that. |
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Posted: 1/25/2020 2:18:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 300 Blackout is less effective and 3x as expensive. There are AR x39 mags that work well enough. I have no interest in 300. I want to shoot for cheap and in volume. Fix the bolt and extractor issues and I’m interested. |
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Posted: 1/25/2020 3:14:54 PM EDT
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300 Blackout is less effective and 3x as expensive. There are AR x39 mags that work well enough. I have no interest in 300. I want to shoot for cheap and in volume. Fix the bolt and extractor issues and I'm interested. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Mags are the 2nd failure point. Just go .300 BLK. There are AR x39 mags that work well enough. I have no interest in 300. I want to shoot for cheap and in volume. Fix the bolt and extractor issues and I'm interested. |
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Posted: 1/25/2020 3:21:21 PM EDT
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Poverty SCAR. Want.
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BRN-180S URG is $830. I predict these hitting the market at $800. I'll bite. But hopefully it's both upper and brace. But I'd bet no. Brace will likely MSRP at $200. Just take 5 cents off the amounts I've quoted to show $199.85, and $799.95 https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-ak-p-ak-v-triangle-side-folding-brace.html |
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Posted: 1/25/2020 3:56:12 PM EDT
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I'm guessing that $799-899 is for the complete rifle. That's great news. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Apparently, its going to be around their Premium AR price range, $799-899. Per this video:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1yE1ZnC6uw
Also mentioned, they are wanting to do carbine and DMR style uppers and in other calibers like 6.5 Grendel. *Edit* Apparently I can post youtube videos now? huh... I would imagine that the upper and lower adapter will likely be $599-699, they didnt mention when they were planning on releasing just uppers. Another video mentioned that they were also going looking into a 9mm version that is straight blowback (which would be disappointing.) |
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Posted: 1/25/2020 5:33:38 PM EDT
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It’s looks pretty cool. I maybe interested in the 300blk. Need more info though.
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Posted: 1/26/2020 9:35:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm guessing that $799-899 is for the complete rifle. That's great news. |
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Posted: 1/26/2020 12:00:26 PM EDT
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Does this gun have an AK-like action, or is it closer to the Beretta AR70 ? Because the Beretta AR70 system (copied and improved by Kel-Tec for their SU-16/PLR-16 series) is awesome. I love it on my PLR, and the idea of it on a nicer gun really appeals to me. It has one of the most pleasant recoil impulses I've come across.
For those who aren't aware of the system, this is the bolt assy from my PLR-16:  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 1/26/2020 12:48:45 PM EDT
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They are making cool stuff. That jakl looks sweet. I have had the BRN 180 in my brownwells shoping cart for a week. But the side charging handle no reciprocating on jkl is mo better I will be buying the JAKL instead. Game, set, match. |
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Posted: 1/26/2020 4:51:56 PM EDT
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Make it in 6.5 grendel or offer a conversion kit. If this becomes available I would like to do a test to see how well such a PDW can tear through car doors. Carried in a briefcase. If it turns out to be reliable this seems like it could be an ideal vehicle gun. |
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Posted: 1/26/2020 5:41:56 PM EDT
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Yup, from what I got from the video, they are only selling complete firearms at the start, 10.5" 5.56 and 7.5" .300 AAC, for $799-899. Im going to assume that includes the braces. I would imagine that the upper and lower adapter will likely be $599-699, they didnt mention when they were planning on releasing just uppers. Another video mentioned that they were also going looking into a 9mm version that is straight blowback (which would be disappointing.) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Apparently, its going to be around their Premium AR price range, $799-899. Per this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1yE1ZnC6uw
Also mentioned, they are wanting to do carbine and DMR style uppers and in other calibers like 6.5 Grendel. *Edit* Apparently I can post youtube videos now? huh... I would imagine that the upper and lower adapter will likely be $599-699, they didnt mention when they were planning on releasing just uppers. Another video mentioned that they were also going looking into a 9mm version that is straight blowback (which would be disappointing.) price point, Robinson Armament's XCR is screwed. |
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Posted: 1/26/2020 5:50:58 PM EDT
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Yup, from what I got from the video, they are only selling complete firearms at the start, 10.5" 5.56 and 7.5" .300 AAC, for $799-899. Im going to assume that includes the braces. I would imagine that the upper and lower adapter will likely be $599-699, they didnt mention when they were planning on releasing just uppers. Another video mentioned that they were also going looking into a 9mm version that is straight blowback (which would be disappointing.) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Apparently, its going to be around their Premium AR price range, $799-899. Per this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1yE1ZnC6uw
Also mentioned, they are wanting to do carbine and DMR style uppers and in other calibers like 6.5 Grendel. *Edit* Apparently I can post youtube videos now? huh... I would imagine that the upper and lower adapter will likely be $599-699, they didnt mention when they were planning on releasing just uppers. Another video mentioned that they were also going looking into a 9mm version that is straight blowback (which would be disappointing.) |
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Posted: 1/26/2020 5:53:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have enough stamped lowers I'd be in |
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Posted: 1/26/2020 5:56:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. I just want the upper. |
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Posted: 1/26/2020 6:02:29 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/26/2020 6:03:21 PM EDT
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Selling the upper keeps costs down.
Is there not like a 11% FET on completed firearms paid by the maker? |
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Posted: 1/26/2020 6:06:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Selling complete rifles seems like a really bad strategy. It's a lot easier to ship uppers out the door than deal with NFA firearms. I have enough stamped lowers I'd be in for a 10.5 just to try it out but most likely I'll pass if I have to deal with the NFA BS. Uppers will come, they said so. |
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Posted: 1/26/2020 6:48:09 PM EDT
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Are there any numbers as far as weight available? Price is expected to be $800 for the complete firearm with brace. Between the JAKL and PS9, I'd buy stock in PSA
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Posted: 1/26/2020 7:15:27 PM EDT
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This. I just want the upper. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I have enough stamped lowers I'd be in |
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Posted: 1/26/2020 7:51:51 PM EDT
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I don't see the attraction of putting one of these uppers on an AR lower. The big thing here is no need for a buffer tube. You can have a folder.
AR lowers use buffer tubes. I guess you could screw in some plug with a Pic rail on it to attach a folder, but why go out of your way to go Rube Goldberg? |
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Posted: 1/26/2020 8:01:50 PM EDT
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I don't see the attraction of putting one of these uppers on an AR lower. The big thing here is no need for a buffer tube. You can have a folder. AR lowers use buffer tubes. I guess you could screw in some plug with a Pic rail on it to attach a folder, but why go out of your way to go Rube Goldberg? The reason for doing that versus a proprietary lower would be that tons of people already own AR-15 lowers and it cuts down development costs. If they do it all custom you're basically back to a SCAR/ACR/XCR/etc. With maybe a slight edge in price because it's PSA versus those companies. |
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Posted: 1/26/2020 8:19:11 PM EDT
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Any reason PSA wouldn't be able to mate a future JAKL upper in 7.62x39 to a KS47 lower? |
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Posted: 1/26/2020 8:41:15 PM EDT
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I don't see the attraction of putting one of these uppers on an AR lower. The big thing here is no need for a buffer tube. You can have a folder. AR lowers use buffer tubes. I guess you could screw in some plug with a Pic rail on it to attach a folder, but why go out of your way to go Rube Goldberg? |
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Posted: 1/27/2020 9:41:43 AM EDT
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Quoted for the awesomeness that could be. KS-47 lower with the buffer tube removed and a picatinney adapter on the back. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Any reason PSA wouldn't be able to mate a future JAKL upper in 7.62x39 to a KS47 lower? |
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Posted: 1/27/2020 12:52:14 PM EDT
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I don't see the attraction of putting one of these uppers on an AR lower. It's a huge, mature base of users, with a gigantic support market. New gun may or may not get decent accessories made for it. AR already has them. |
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Posted: 1/27/2020 1:01:26 PM EDT
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I don't see the attraction of putting one of these uppers on an AR lower. The big thing here is no need for a buffer tube. You can have a folder. AR lowers use buffer tubes. I guess you could screw in some plug with a Pic rail on it to attach a folder, but why go out of your way to go Rube Goldberg? KNS precision makes a pic adapter. I’m willing to bet that PSA will be manufacturing a pic adapter in house as well. They already make one for AK’s I just finished building this .22 AR last week. It’s a fun little gun to shoot.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/27/2020 1:03:59 PM EDT
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I don't see the attraction of putting one of these uppers on an AR lower. The big thing here is no need for a buffer tube. You can have a folder. AR lowers use buffer tubes. I guess you could screw in some plug with a Pic rail on it to attach a folder, but why go out of your way to go Rube Goldberg? |
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Posted: 1/27/2020 1:07:23 PM EDT
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without buffer wouldn't it kick harder? |
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Posted: 1/27/2020 1:10:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because I already have a ton of AR lowers. It's a huge, mature base of users, with a gigantic support market. New gun may or may not get decent accessories made for it. AR already has them. Rails/handguards? Monolithic upper, no need. Adjustable gas block? Already have one. Barrel? Sounds like it won't be easily user serviceable like an AR so probably no drop in barrels. Charging handle? Different from an AR so will require its own aftermarket. Bolt and recoil system? Probably going to be unique to this system. So now that pretty much leaves all the stuff you can do with a lower like stocks/braces, grips, triggers, etc. It's far easier and more logical to just use a pic rail adapter for an AR than design and tool for a proprietary lower that either has all of it's own stuff or that would work with all of the AR stuff. |
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Posted: 1/27/2020 1:11:00 PM EDT
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So they've said Q3 for an estimated release date and aren't discussing pricing yet. Have they released any details on how much it weighs? It looks very similar in size and dimensions to the KAC PDW which weighs 4.5 pounds, but that gun has a dimpled barrel. https://i.imgur.com/VIgKhUc.jpg vs http://www.imfdb.org/images/7/74/KAC_PDW_8in.jpg 
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Posted: 1/27/2020 1:14:37 PM EDT
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Odds of me purchasing are hovering around 99.9%
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Posted: 1/27/2020 1:15:20 PM EDT
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In.
If they can deliver a reliable product I'd be seriously interested. Particularly if they offer an SBR length version and even more so if it was in 300blk. I'd be interested in a 16" 5.56 model, but not as much as a 12" 5.56 or 10.5" or around there 300blk. This of course assumes the price is reasonable. It's PSA so I assume it won't be crazy high, but you never know. |
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Posted: 1/27/2020 1:23:08 PM EDT
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In. If they can deliver a reliable product I'd be seriously interested. Particularly if they offer an SBR length version and even more so if it was in 300blk. I'd be interested in a 16" 5.56 model, but not as much as a 12" 5.56 or 10.5" or around there 300blk. This of course assumes the price is reasonable. It's PSA so I assume it won't be crazy high, but you never know. I think you'll be interested 
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Posted: 1/27/2020 1:25:03 PM EDT
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7.5" .300blk is coming first, then a 10.5" 5.56. Carbine length, additional calibers, and complete uppers are likely to come in due time. $7-800 for the complete "pistol." I think you'll be interested Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In. If they can deliver a reliable product I'd be seriously interested. Particularly if they offer an SBR length version and even more so if it was in 300blk. I'd be interested in a 16" 5.56 model, but not as much as a 12" 5.56 or 10.5" or around there 300blk. This of course assumes the price is reasonable. It's PSA so I assume it won't be crazy high, but you never know. I think you'll be interested
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Posted: 1/27/2020 1:29:01 PM EDT
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I want to know if I can pull the barrel and send it somewhere to have it dimpled. |
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Posted: 1/27/2020 1:30:38 PM EDT
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I don't see the attraction of putting one of these uppers on an AR lower. The big thing here is no need for a buffer tube. You can have a folder. AR lowers use buffer tubes. I guess you could screw in some plug with a Pic rail on it to attach a folder, but why go out of your way to go Rube Goldberg? |
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Posted: 1/27/2020 1:31:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I want a 7.5" 5.56. |
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Posted: 1/27/2020 1:32:40 PM EDT
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It looks like the upper overlaps the lower, but it's hard to tell with all the shitty amateur camera work being done by the shotshow journalists. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't see the attraction of putting one of these uppers on an AR lower. The big thing here is no need for a buffer tube. You can have a folder. AR lowers use buffer tubes. I guess you could screw in some plug with a Pic rail on it to attach a folder, but why go out of your way to go Rube Goldberg? |
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Posted: 1/27/2020 1:51:42 PM EDT
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I don't see the attraction of putting one of these uppers on an AR lower. The big thing here is no need for a buffer tube. You can have a folder. AR lowers use buffer tubes. I guess you could screw in some plug with a Pic rail on it to attach a folder, but why go out of your way to go Rube Goldberg? Its an adapter that goes in the RE threading and you 1913 the brace/stock of your choice.e If you have stamped lowers then use whatever you want on there. It would be foolish for them not to develop it to be used on an AR lower, I'll buy an upper for one of the stamped lowers. |
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Posted: 1/27/2020 2:12:03 PM EDT
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I'm liking this more by the minute. I'll have to check it out soon.
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Posted: 1/27/2020 2:24:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Mags are the 2nd failure point. Just go .300 BLK.
lol @ paying twice the price for identical ballistics and less reliability, .300 acolytes sure must like banging their rifles all day. |
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Posted: 1/27/2020 2:28:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For sure, I really hate how the 7.62x39 with it's tapered case never fails to extract properly, what fun is that? Straight-walled jammers you get to fuck with every 5 minutes are where it's at.
lol @ paying twice the price for identical ballistics and less reliability, .300 acolytes sure must like banging their rifles all day. |
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Posted: 1/27/2020 2:33:19 PM EDT
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Can you post a pic of your x39 @Dragynn ? 2. Which one? I have six AK's currently and a couple of x39 uppers for the AR's. |
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Posted: 1/27/2020 2:37:14 PM EDT
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I like it allot. I would love to see that charging handle be ambidextrous!
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Posted: 1/27/2020 4:54:35 PM EDT
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I think that is the stock/brace adapter overlapping the lower as part of how it attaches to it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't see the attraction of putting one of these uppers on an AR lower. The big thing here is no need for a buffer tube. You can have a folder. AR lowers use buffer tubes. I guess you could screw in some plug with a Pic rail on it to attach a folder, but why go out of your way to go Rube Goldberg? 
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Posted: 1/27/2020 5:00:41 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/27/2020 5:03:53 PM EDT
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That is a big WTF from me. What the fuck are all those add on pieces and why are they needed?? Quote HistoryQuoted:
That is a big WTF from me. What the fuck are all those add on pieces and why are they needed?? 
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Posted: 1/27/2020 5:04:21 PM EDT
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I don't see the attraction of putting one of these uppers on an AR lower. The big thing here is no need for a buffer tube. You can have a folder. AR lowers use buffer tubes. I guess you could screw in some plug with a Pic rail on it to attach a folder, but why go out of your way to go Rube Goldberg?  Oooookay. I was really digging this gun, but now I’m a bit less excited. Gonna need something a little more finished looking than that I’m afraid. Hopefully there’s a more finished version being implemented. |
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Posted: 1/27/2020 5:04:38 PM EDT
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http://s3.amazonaws.com/production.photos.funnyordie.com/p/media/5c597eb60b/1qPm2oJFSuWOI4rtFx06_Confused%20Ice%20Cube.gif Oooookay. I was really digging this gun, but now I’m a bit less excited. Gonna need something a little more finished looking than that I’m afraid. Hopefully there’s a more finished version being implemented. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't see the attraction of putting one of these uppers on an AR lower. The big thing here is no need for a buffer tube. You can have a folder. AR lowers use buffer tubes. I guess you could screw in some plug with a Pic rail on it to attach a folder, but why go out of your way to go Rube Goldberg? Oooookay. I was really digging this gun, but now I’m a bit less excited. Gonna need something a little more finished looking than that I’m afraid. Hopefully there’s a more finished version being implemented. 
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