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Posted: 5/28/2018 3:39:35 AM EDT
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Lockheed uses fasteners that do it even worse. Called high torque fasteners. 
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Anyone that thinks Phillips is anything but a monument to human stupidity hasn't spent five minutes examining how it actually works. See US Patent #2,474,994 for details on this wonderful feature of the Phillips drive. Friends don't let friends use drives that cam-out.
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Posted: 5/28/2018 3:41:36 AM EDT
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But then you need a T12. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Everyone loves to bash slotted (for good reason), but if you're going to take a fastener and expose it to decades worth of grime, dust, grease, and paint and still want to unscrew it, slotted is easiest to clean out by far. |
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Posted: 5/28/2018 3:44:17 AM EDT
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Oh my god, why? Every one of those things should be dumped into the ocean. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anyone that thinks Phillips is anything but a monument to human stupidity hasn't spent five minutes examining how it actually works. See US Patent #2,474,994 for details on this wonderful feature of the Phillips drive. Friends don't let friends use drives that cam-out.
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Posted: 5/28/2018 3:44:27 AM EDT
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I’ve got several racks of them, from the tiny micros to the chunky stuff. A t10 won’t fit in a t12 opening and bugger it all up, unlike ancient slotted screws. Now the T25 and T27 are pretty stupid, but for some reason those are the only anamolies. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Everyone loves to bash slotted (for good reason), but if you're going to take a fastener and expose it to decades worth of grime, dust, grease, and paint and still want to unscrew it, slotted is easiest to clean out by far. |
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Posted: 5/28/2018 3:46:02 AM EDT
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For you and I, I agree. Bubba the redneck would probably be better off with a few slot drives on his weedeater though. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Everyone loves to bash slotted (for good reason), but if you're going to take a fastener and expose it to decades worth of grime, dust, grease, and paint and still want to unscrew it, slotted is easiest to clean out by far. 
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Posted: 5/28/2018 3:46:30 AM EDT
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That’s exactly why I think torx are great, keeps bubba the redneck from attempting a “repair” he isn’t qualified for. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Everyone loves to bash slotted (for good reason), but if you're going to take a fastener and expose it to decades worth of grime, dust, grease, and paint and still want to unscrew it, slotted is easiest to clean out by far.
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Posted: 5/28/2018 3:49:23 AM EDT
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No love for Robertson? |
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Posted: 5/28/2018 3:52:42 AM EDT
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That’s exactly why I think torx are great, keeps bubba the redneck from attempting a “repair” he isn’t qualified for. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Everyone loves to bash slotted (for good reason), but if you're going to take a fastener and expose it to decades worth of grime, dust, grease, and paint and still want to unscrew it, slotted is easiest to clean out by far. Every time someone says "I can't work on X electronic device because it has torx screws" I hear "There is no way in hell I should be messing with this device and torx is preventing me from doing so." And I like torx yet more. |
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Posted: 5/28/2018 4:01:21 AM EDT
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The biggest problem with slotted heads is cheap screwdrivers that are shaped like wedges instead of being properly hollow ground. They're designed to cam themselves out of the slot and fuck it up. With a good driver, slottted are just fine, other than in applications where you're going to use a motorized tool
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Posted: 5/28/2018 4:33:12 AM EDT
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All of them are okay by me if used correctly.
I like slotted brass screws in fine wood items. I also think slotted looks nice in firearms. I like phillips in low torque applications. Say like a machine cover or something where the cam out action saves you from having to drill out a tiny socket screw that someone over tightened and then stripped out. I think hex (socket) is a good balance, but I do loath small button heads. Socket caps are probably the easiest to work with. Being able to use ball end keys makes things even better. When you get into 5mil and higher socket caps. I don't see any reason to change to anything else. Torx I don't see too much of. I do think it makes the superior head when driving long decking screws. Messing around with knives I've stripped plenty of torx screws and recently snapped a 6 torx(bondhus). I think torx is pretty decent, but the quality of torx fasteners seems to be very hit and miss. Combination drives of slotted and phillips can eat a bag of dicks, though. |
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Posted: 5/28/2018 4:42:56 AM EDT
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Gimme JIS or Hex for motorcycle applications, nothing but trouble with the rest.
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Posted: 5/28/2018 5:11:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s true, but that’s a pretty poor single positive to combine with all the negatives. They work great if you have a 50 piece precision driver set like a gunsmiths kit, but that’s ridiculous for common use. A t10 torx is a t10 torx. |
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Posted: 5/28/2018 6:30:17 AM EDT
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Pozidrive didn't make the list? Most people don't know that it exists. I'm surprised that so many Americans are aware of Robertson. |
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Posted: 5/28/2018 6:44:53 AM EDT
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Just suck it up and Triwing all the things!!!!!
<-----------Love/hate relationship with Lockheed |
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Posted: 5/28/2018 6:46:16 AM EDT
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Lockheed uses fasteners that do it even worse. Called high torque fasteners.
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Anyone that thinks Phillips is anything but a monument to human stupidity hasn't spent five minutes examining how it actually works. See US Patent #2,474,994 for details on this wonderful feature of the Phillips drive. Friends don't let friends use drives that cam-out.
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Posted: 5/28/2018 6:52:50 AM EDT
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Pozidriv! Airbus is full of them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anyone that thinks Phillips is anything but a monument to human stupidity hasn't spent five minutes examining how it actually works. See US Patent #2,474,994 for details on this wonderful feature of the Phillips drive. Friends don't let friends use drives that cam-out.
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Posted: 5/28/2018 7:00:12 AM EDT
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Screws. Torx, hands down the best.
Bolts, triple square. |
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Posted: 5/28/2018 7:07:13 AM EDT
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What, no clutch drive?
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Posted: 5/28/2018 7:18:46 AM EDT
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Tri- wing.
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Posted: 5/28/2018 7:19:36 AM EDT
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Square or Phillips (preferably both) head screws and Hex. To hell with Torx and flatheads. While torx wasn't making any friends in the Jeep community the reason it was chosen was powered fastener drivers on the assembly line. They can be set to a final torque, which was originally handled by the phillips being engineered to cam out and slip. Torx won't. Therefore we will see more Torx on assembled products and the drivers will be used in construction. I don't have to like the change but when they give you a free bit with a box of screws who really cares? Sold. I can drive a torx deck screw and remove it repeatedly, a phillips will cam out and be destroyed making it useless. Your bad if it's installed, good luck with that. Why would I want to remove it? Repairs - temporary scaffolding - upgrades - changes during installation. Screws are superior to nails but anything we build isn't permanent and is subject to needing repair, etc. It's wood - therefore it's only going to last a few hundred months. Every frame building put up before 1900 in a downtown metro area is now gone. Only masonry lasts. |
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Posted: 5/28/2018 8:03:55 AM EDT
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McDonnell Douglas was fond of coin slot hi torx, they are a nightmare. Ever encounter them? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anyone that thinks Phillips is anything but a monument to human stupidity hasn't spent five minutes examining how it actually works. See US Patent #2,474,994 for details on this wonderful feature of the Phillips drive. Friends don't let friends use drives that cam-out.
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Posted: 5/28/2018 8:05:04 AM EDT
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square is the bomb
to those who say torx, you guys must be taking them out of plastic, torx in wood or steel is the worst. only thing that may be worse is allen |
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Posted: 5/28/2018 8:08:17 AM EDT
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Torx
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Posted: 5/28/2018 8:09:16 AM EDT
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Be gone with flat and Phillips.
especially flat 
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Posted: 5/28/2018 8:35:35 AM EDT
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I'll take Torx. |
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Posted: 5/28/2018 8:43:59 AM EDT
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McDonnell Douglas was fond of coin slot hi torx, they are a nightmare. Ever encounter them? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anyone that thinks Phillips is anything but a monument to human stupidity hasn't spent five minutes examining how it actually works. See US Patent #2,474,994 for details on this wonderful feature of the Phillips drive. Friends don't let friends use drives that cam-out.
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/iTkAAMXQPd1RGezt/s-l300.jpg We also used a modified bumper jack for the bottom of the wings. |
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Posted: 5/28/2018 8:47:18 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/28/2018 9:05:49 AM EDT
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Lockheed uses fasteners that do it even worse. Called high torque fasteners.
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Anyone that thinks Phillips is anything but a monument to human stupidity hasn't spent five minutes examining how it actually works. See US Patent #2,474,994 for details on this wonderful feature of the Phillips drive. Friends don't let friends use drives that cam-out.
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/iTkAAMXQPd1RGezt/s-l300.jpg Hate JIS screws also because while I own a set of JIS screwdrivers I usually end up with them after someone has ruined them with a phillips driver... 
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Posted: 5/28/2018 9:13:03 AM EDT
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Can't believe no mention of the Costanza.
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Posted: 5/28/2018 9:16:22 AM EDT
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Agreed with OP. Standardize this shit.
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Posted: 5/28/2018 9:27:02 AM EDT
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Philips. Stop making them now.
Flat. Only for things like instrument panels, light switch covers etc. Socket Hex. For all mechanical equipment that will get heavily painted where a hex bolt won't fit or countersunk is needed. Torx. For all mechanical equipment that doesn't get painted and where a hex bolt won't fit or countersunk is needed. Robertson/square. For wooden construction. |
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Posted: 5/28/2018 9:32:31 AM EDT
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Pozidrive didn't make the list? |
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Posted: 5/28/2018 9:35:46 AM EDT
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Ok. Fill us in please |
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Posted: 5/28/2018 9:39:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's exactly why I think torx are great, keeps bubba the redneck from attempting a "repair" he isn't qualified for. |
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Posted: 5/28/2018 9:40:20 AM EDT
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Edit. Beat. Dang it. But the fact remains. These suck.
Anyone that has ever dealt with hi torq in the navy can testify to this. Aka swazis. They strip out so easy. And break tips. I fucking hate them. 
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Posted: 5/28/2018 9:44:25 AM EDT
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After thinking about it for a bit, this is the order I prefer.
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Posted: 5/28/2018 9:53:12 AM EDT
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Is Allen and Torx the same thing?
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Posted: 5/28/2018 9:55:54 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/28/2018 9:56:16 AM EDT
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Torx is best. Standardize on it. It's more resistant to camming out and handles more torque for a given head size than the others. Slot heads need to be banned by federal law! |
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Posted: 5/28/2018 9:57:15 AM EDT
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...T25 and T27 are pretty stupid, but for some reason those are the only anamolies. |
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Posted: 5/28/2018 9:58:13 AM EDT
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If I have a choice, always torx.
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Posted: 5/28/2018 9:59:08 AM EDT
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Electricians would lose their shit if you got rid of the flathead.
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Posted: 5/28/2018 10:24:14 AM EDT
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This seems appropriate here...
I was actually looking for another cartoon, where some guy was like the OP, "Hey, we need to standardize on this!"... which simply ended up with yet another fastener type being added to the mess. 
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Posted: 5/28/2018 10:25:10 AM EDT
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Torx and Etorx fwiw
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Posted: 5/28/2018 10:42:21 AM EDT
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Electricians would lose their shit if you got rid of the flathead. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Slotted is superior for tight spaces where you can use a holding screwdriver and have less chance of dropping the fastener. 
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Posted: 5/28/2018 11:19:59 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/28/2018 11:21:59 AM EDT
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First post missed it by a mile. Torx is the best by far.
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Posted: 5/28/2018 11:22:26 AM EDT
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I'll take Torx. |
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Posted: 5/28/2018 11:41:11 AM EDT
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My Top Four in order of preference:
1. Torx 2. Torx 3. Torx 4. Torx |
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Posted: 5/28/2018 11:58:46 AM EDT
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I'd hate to think of how many thousands of Torx screws I used building our house....but it was all I used.
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