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Again, you are in possession of what they say is a SBR upon application.

Removing it upon denial does not make that go away.

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@Vic_Crown ... have you read the rule ... if you have or not clear about it ... re-read it ... again ... again ... until you have informed yourself ...
I am on my 4th NFA item ... so this isn't anything really new to me ...
Again...you get denied for 2 reasons
1) An application error ... no problem ... you can fixed that ... resubmit and still be compliant with the rule ... stated in the rule ... errors are fixable and covered ... resubmits are covered ...
2) You fail background ... if its a NICS error ... that can be fixed ... resubmit ... if you fail because you are a felon or not supposed to have access to firearms ... well ... you got bigger problems to think about at that point ... I don't think we want felons to own firearms now do we?

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REGARDLESS of the reason for denial - you are already in possession ( or were ) at the point that you are denied.

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Correct, and braced pistols are illegal on day 1.

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LOL ... well ... if you do not follow the possession date rules ... an lie about it ... well that is on you ... and no one else ...

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They can and will sit on it and they will blame the "huge backlog".  What recourse do you have if they do sit it past the 88 days?  Write a letter?  You've already admitted you are felon in possession of an SBR.   Nolo asked them this question and the reply from the ATF is that they would start their standard enforcement procedure.  How much clearer do you need to hear it?  This is a trap.

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38.5% of all inmates in federal prisons are black which is racist according to the race baiters. The DOJ is taking a lot of heat from the race baiters as a result. So the DOJ is doing everything they can to get that number down, and the best way they can do that is to declare white Trump supporters the greatest threat to the nation and stop putting black people in prison.  Do you want to be a white conservative going up in front of an Obama appointed judge on an NFA violation? Not me Jack!

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Exactly.   Just pointing out your list was incomplete and left out a significant factor, given that I'm sure a lot of people applying for amnesty do not possess complete records of purchase and manufacturing dates for their braced pistols.  
Unless this is one of those deals where BATF just takes every word you put on the application at face value, and doesn't even think of validating it?

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Exactly.   Just pointing out your list was incomplete and left out a significant factor, given that I'm sure a lot of people applying for amnesty do not possess complete records of purchase and manufacturing dates for their braced pistols.  
Unless this is one of those deals where BATF just takes every word you put on the application at face value, and doesn't even think of validating it?

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You cannot legally buy a braced pistol after the rule is registered. Day 1. The 120 days is the tax forbearance period.

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Owning a braced pistol is a pretty defensible position to be in. The others, not so much.

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@nexttime ... that isn't an admission of being a felon ...

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That sure looks like you are admitting (certifying) to having (what the ATF calls) an SBR.    

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Because right now, or yesterday, or even last week, shit two years ago, someone bought an AR pistol equipped with a brace, legally. They filled out the 4473, passed NICS and went on their merry way. If their life doesn't include online gun stuff, they have no idea that 120 days after this gets published, they're a felon. They changed nothing about the pistol, didn't lie on the 4473, and didn't shoot a bus full of nuns or people that disrespected them, but that doesn't matter. That's why this is bullshit.

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But you can only apply for the free stamp if your pistol has a brace fitted ?

If it was fitted then you are denied, removing it does not "cure" the fact you had a SBR when you applied.

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That sure looks like you are admitting (certifying) to having (what the ATF calls) an SBR.    

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That sure looks like you are admitting (certifying) to having (what the ATF calls) an SBR.    

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There are approval letters everywhere. I’d say that’s a good starting point. Maybe not fool proof, but better than the other examples.

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Exactly, my personal theory is that @thehun06 is actually an AFT agent or just a informant trying to work for some sort of credit to get out of trouble.  Once you submit that form as is, you are admitting you are felon WHICH IS WHY THEY CALL THIS AMNESTY....

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A good change might be to make it more strictly a tax law and decentralize the processes.

If possible, take SBRs, SBSs, AOWs, and/or suppressors off altogether, but what can't be removed has the tax dropped down to $5.  Machine guns and DDs stay at $200, DD munitions drop to $5.  If possible, also try to eliminate the Hughes Amendment.

Tax stamps are issued by the SOT and are sent to them by the ATF (with records of what was sent; stamps would be serialized).  The new process would be you go to the SOT.  You fill out a form for what you want to make or transfer.  It has the serial number, make, model, and other info about the weapon so that it can be associated with a stamp, the name and basic personal info of the person (nothing beyond what you'd have on a 4473), and the recordholder's info (SOT) in case his records need to be accessed to verify the stamp was issued for the gun in question if it comes to that.  SOT calls in a NICS check and it gets treated like any other NICS check.  Once approved the tax is paid and the stamp is affixed to the form, the SOT records the number on his copy of the document, and a third copy and the tax collected goes to the ATF to be stored in case verification is needed but which would not be allowed to be accessed, otherwise, with criminal penalties for violations.  You then walk out with your item.  Engraving would only be required on a newly manufactured NFA item and not something merely converted.

Presumption would be that the tax was paid if encountered, and if there is reason to question it, then the paperwork and records may be looked at to determine whether or not there is a violation.  If a violation was discovered, the person could cure the situation by paying the tax plus a fine/penalty for previous failure to pay, fill out paperwork with the ATF or a designated SOT, and do the NICS check, and if approved, he's GTG.  If he refuses or engages in more serious violations (like unlicensed dealing and manufacturing for non-person use), only then do criminal penalties apply.  Also, no more constructive possession.

Some refinement of definitions might also be in order and ease of conversion should not make something that is not otherwise an NFA item into an NFA item.  Throw in an elimination of 922r while we're at it and any ability to do thing like ban import of barrels and receivers.  Also, get rid of "once an X, always an X" nonsense both domestically and for import purposes.  For example, if someone welds closed the third hole on an AR receiver, it becomes a Title 1 firearm again unless it would be an SBR or AOW as configured, instead.

This could be a decent reform, I think, if elimination is simply not an option, although maybe a sunset clause can be thrown in (has to be renewed every five years or it goes away and all records must be destroyed).  I also think the ATF would become a whole lot less zealous if catching you just means you have to pay a tax and a penalty and do paperwork with them and they have way less room to play fuck-fuck games with definitions and the like.

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It didn't work out that way for this guy that got that got his church burned down and congregation murdered after an ATF teem building exercise turned into a SWAT'ing to save face :lol:

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Drilling that third hole has the same legal ramifications, but there's literally 0 benefit to doing it unless you have the requisite parts to utilize it.  ATF considers the lower to be a machinegun even in the absence of those parts. Merely marking the correct location is sufficient for them to declare it a machinegun.