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Posted: 1/12/2024 1:11:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Things can always be worse https://staradvertiser.wpenginepowered.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Aloha-243-color.jpg I remember that. Seems to me a stewardess died as a result (and maybe a couple passengers). |
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Posted: 1/12/2024 1:36:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I remember that. Seems to me a stewardess died as a result (and maybe a couple passengers). Just the flight attendant. |
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Posted: 1/12/2024 1:43:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ehhh just because something is 60 years old in design, doesn't make it bad. New designs can come up, and then 60 years after that, they can be found to have been much worse than the original. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The MAX should have never been developed in the first place. That airframe design is 60 years old. The real problem with the 737 is its short legs that made Boeing have to do all sorts of clever things to keep them relevant. Unfortunately the customers wanted more 737s rather than 757s. |
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Posted: 1/12/2024 2:25:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The real problem with the 737 is its short legs that made Boeing have to do all sorts of clever things to keep them relevant. Unfortunately the customers wanted more 737s rather than 757s. @SmilingBandit They should have made a shortened "SP" version of the 757 with reheats (burnahs) in the cores. |
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Posted: 1/12/2024 6:17:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/12/2024 6:30:44 PM EDT
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Former Boeing manager says he won’t fly on a Max
 Former Boeing manager says he won’t fly on a Max | NewsNation Now |
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Posted: 1/12/2024 6:41:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ehhh just because something is 60 years old in design, doesn't make it bad. New designs can come up, and then 60 years after that, they can be found to have been much worse than the original. The problem is that the MAX is a 3rd mutation of the original design. Each mutation away from the original has bumped up against different limitations of the original design. |
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Posted: 1/12/2024 9:52:33 PM EDT
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For the Safety of American Travelers the FAA Will Keep the Boeing 737-9 MAX Grounded Until Extensive Inspection and Maintenance is Conducted and Data from Inspections is Reviewed
https://www.faa.gov/newsroom/safety-american-travelers-faa-will-keep-boeing-737-9-max-grounded-until-extensive |
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Posted: 1/12/2024 10:16:48 PM EDT
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Not sure outing his dad on the Internet is smart in this case when there are likely to be multiple lawsuits |
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Posted: 1/12/2024 10:26:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I do too actually. My bladder is undersize according to the doctor. It actually sucks and can be embarrassing sometimes. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I piss a lot. It's a nervous thing or something. Not just on aeroplanes. It has nothing to do with flying. I do too actually. My bladder is undersize according to the doctor. It actually sucks and can be embarrassing sometimes. @Never_A_Wick @-SkyRaider- Get your PSA and prostate checked just to be safe. Cancer can press on the bladder and causes urination issues. |
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Posted: 1/12/2024 10:30:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @Never_A_Wick @-SkyRaider- Get your PSA and prostate checked just to be safe. Cancer can press on the bladder and causes urination issues. @sharky30 Good intel. Will do. Thanks. |
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Posted: 1/12/2024 10:42:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @sharky30 Good intel. Will do. Thanks. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: @Never_A_Wick @-SkyRaider- Get your PSA and prostate checked just to be safe. Cancer can press on the bladder and causes urination issues. @sharky30 Good intel. Will do. Thanks. Seeing my dad's come back after 20 years and embed itself in his bones has me a bit more aware of it. |
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Posted: 1/12/2024 11:15:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Seeing my dad's come back after 20 years and embed itself in his bones has me a bit more aware of it. I’m sorry. 
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Posted: 1/13/2024 12:09:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Seeing my dad's come back after 20 years and embed itself in his bones has me a bit more aware of it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: @Never_A_Wick @-SkyRaider- Get your PSA and prostate checked just to be safe. Cancer can press on the bladder and causes urination issues. @sharky30 Good intel. Will do. Thanks. Seeing my dad's come back after 20 years and embed itself in his bones has me a bit more aware of it.  |
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Posted: 1/13/2024 12:47:29 PM EDT
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Quoted: Not sure outing his dad on the Internet is smart in this case when there are likely to be multiple lawsuits That story doesn't track with all the other MAX 9s that have been found to have loose bolts. Not sure if it was on this thread or one of the videos I watched but according to it the final "plugging" of the plug door is done by Boeing after Spirit delivers it to them. Next month I have a flight to Florida on Alaska booked that's supposed to be on a MAX 9, I have a feeling they are going to swap it for a 787-800. |
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Posted: 1/13/2024 1:27:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That story doesn't track with all the other MAX 9s that have been found to have loose bolts. Not sure if it was on this thread or one of the videos I watched but according to it the final "plugging" of the plug door is done by Boeing after Spirit delivers it to them. Next month I have a flight to Florida on Alaska booked that's supposed to be on a MAX 9, I have a feeling they are going to swap it for a 787-800. They used to ship via train to Seattle with all the doors and plugs installed. I'm guessing they still do. No idea if they would remove & reinstall to facilitate the ops there in Seattle. I can't imagine they wouldn't at least inspect the install before covering it up with the interior panels. There is typically an inspection before you close out anything on an a/c. I could see being focused on the door instl rather than the door itself though, possibly. I still haven't figured out who actually builds the doors. Seems to be conflicting info from several posters here. Boeing is on the hook either way but if they are coming from somewhere other than Wichita, then that means at least 3 different entities would have had to fuck up for one to make it into the air with visibly loose bolts in the door hinges. |
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Posted: 1/13/2024 2:39:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They used to ship via train to Seattle with all the doors and plugs installed. I'm guessing they still do. No idea if they would remove & reinstall to facilitate the ops there in Seattle. I can't imagine they wouldn't at least inspect the install before covering it up with the interior panels. There is typically an inspection before you close out anything on an a/c. I could see being focused on the door instl rather than the door itself though, possibly. I still haven't figured out who actually builds the doors. Seems to be conflicting info from several posters here. Boeing is on the hook either way but if they are coming from somewhere other than Wichita, then that means at least 3 different entities would have had to fuck up for one to make it into the air with visibly loose bolts in the door hinges. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That story doesn't track with all the other MAX 9s that have been found to have loose bolts. Not sure if it was on this thread or one of the videos I watched but according to it the final "plugging" of the plug door is done by Boeing after Spirit delivers it to them. Next month I have a flight to Florida on Alaska booked that's supposed to be on a MAX 9, I have a feeling they are going to swap it for a 787-800. They used to ship via train to Seattle with all the doors and plugs installed. I'm guessing they still do. No idea if they would remove & reinstall to facilitate the ops there in Seattle. I can't imagine they wouldn't at least inspect the install before covering it up with the interior panels. There is typically an inspection before you close out anything on an a/c. I could see being focused on the door instl rather than the door itself though, possibly. I still haven't figured out who actually builds the doors. Seems to be conflicting info from several posters here. Boeing is on the hook either way but if they are coming from somewhere other than Wichita, then that means at least 3 different entities would have had to fuck up for one to make it into the air with visibly loose bolts in the door hinges. Its already been covered in this thread that Boeing does indeed remove the plug doors and reinstall them later. |
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Posted: 1/13/2024 3:44:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Its already been covered in this thread that Boeing does indeed remove the plug doors and reinstall them later. All I found was a video which has since been updated to say they aren’t removed. A lot of conflicting stuff has been posted here and elsewhere. ETA: https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/boeing-performs-pressure-tests-does-not-normally-adjust-max-9-panels-source-2024-01-13/ Might explain where some of the conflicting reports came from. I'm guessing the confusion was actual opening door vs. these plugs. I wouldn't think it would be that helpful to remove these when there are plenty others that easily open, but I've never been involved with that part of production. My brief stint in commercial was limited to much earlier stages of manufacturing...and much later stages in some derivatives. |
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Posted: 1/13/2024 10:04:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m sorry. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Seeing my dad's come back after 20 years and embed itself in his bones has me a bit more aware of it. I’m sorry. Quoted: Thanks. He's on a new treatment so we're hopeful. |
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Posted: 1/14/2024 12:00:14 AM EDT
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Dan Gryder - FAA - Asleep at the Wheel. Again. Part II
 FAA - Asleep at the Wheel. Again. Part II |
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Posted: 1/14/2024 12:46:09 AM EDT
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More info on the continuing saga of this event
 Boeing 737 -9 Plug Doors and Spirit Aerospace Lawsuit |
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Posted: 1/14/2024 2:28:34 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/14/2024 2:30:46 PM EDT
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 Wait til you see third shift... |
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Posted: 1/14/2024 2:32:43 PM EDT
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I heard on the news last night that the people who were sitting next to the door have all sorts of PTSD now and are doing weird shit like running around outside naked at 3:00 AM.
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Posted: 1/14/2024 3:22:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I heard on the news last night that the people who were sitting next to the door have all sorts of PTSD now and are doing weird shit like running around outside naked at 3:00 AM.  Thank You Simone |
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Posted: 1/14/2024 4:23:31 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/14/2024 5:34:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I heard on the news last night that the people who were sitting next to the door have all sorts of PTSD now and are doing weird shit like running around outside naked at 3:00 AM. Can’t tell if serious… |
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Posted: 1/14/2024 5:34:48 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/14/2024 5:43:09 PM EDT
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After MCAS, you’d think Big B would have assigned their not-fucking-around team to the MAX.
ETA: Maybe DEI eradicated that team. |
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Posted: 1/14/2024 5:44:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThat thing is in shockingly good condition for falling 3 miles. |
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Posted: 1/14/2024 6:22:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That thing is in shockingly good condition for falling 3 miles. Parts of Oregon might as well be rain forest. We were sitting on a ramp in Colombia watching them throw paratroopers out of a helicopter out past the EOR, and one of them went through the jungle triple canopy with a mostly streamered chute. We were told later he had multiple broken bones, but all things considered was still in pretty good condition. |
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Posted: 1/14/2024 6:31:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Next month I have a flight to Florida on Alaska booked that's supposed to be on a MAX 9, I have a feeling they are going to swap it for a 787-800. I have Hawaii flights that are listed on Max planes in late February. I’m ignorant of the aviation world. Should I be concerned?  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/14/2024 6:38:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have Hawaii flights that are listed on Max planes in late February. I’m ignorant of the aviation world. Should I be concerned? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/169488/IMG_2410_jpeg-3094562.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Next month I have a flight to Florida on Alaska booked that's supposed to be on a MAX 9, I have a feeling they are going to swap it for a 787-800. I have Hawaii flights that are listed on Max planes in late February. I’m ignorant of the aviation world. Should I be concerned? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/169488/IMG_2410_jpeg-3094562.JPG No. Relax. Don’t take a bunch of Ambien and Zanax or drink too much either. Get up and walk every hour or two. Stay hydrated. Blood clots are your biggest threat. |
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Posted: 1/14/2024 6:47:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have Hawaii flights that are listed on Max planes in late February. I’m ignorant of the aviation world. Should I be concerned? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/169488/IMG_2410_jpeg-3094562.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Next month I have a flight to Florida on Alaska booked that's supposed to be on a MAX 9, I have a feeling they are going to swap it for a 787-800. I have Hawaii flights that are listed on Max planes in late February. I’m ignorant of the aviation world. Should I be concerned? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/169488/IMG_2410_jpeg-3094562.JPG I would be more concerned about your phone's battery 
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Posted: 1/14/2024 7:20:15 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/14/2024 7:43:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have Hawaii flights that are listed on Max planes in late February. I’m ignorant of the aviation world. Should I be concerned? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/169488/IMG_2410_jpeg-3094562.JPG I’m not concerned. Driving to the airport is going to be more dangerous |
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Posted: 1/14/2024 10:31:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryLooks like the diversity hires at the NTSB are giving that door their full attention. We're in good hands folks! |
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Posted: 1/14/2024 10:37:34 PM EDT
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From a story I saw today they claimed the installer of the in flight wifi system removes the plug door to install the hardware
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Posted: 1/14/2024 10:41:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: From a story I saw today they claimed the installer of the in flight wifi system removes the plug door to install the hardware Wait, the f__king IT guy is wrenching on the airframe? |
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Posted: 1/14/2024 11:09:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dan Gryder - FAA - Asleep at the Wheel. Again. Part II  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LptRFVx1kKQI don't know who this guy is, but I'm having a hard time taking him seriously. |
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Posted: 1/14/2024 11:34:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wait, the f__king IT guy is wrenching on the airframe? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: From a story I saw today they claimed the installer of the in flight wifi system removes the plug door to install the hardware Wait, the f__king IT guy is wrenching on the airframe? A subsidiary of the same company that builds the fuselage and installs the plug doors. Blancolirio’s video mentions it and shows a jet that’s in the process of having the wifi stuff installed and they are accessing the jet through the plug door opening. (Photo needs to be verified) 
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Posted: 1/14/2024 11:34:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can’t tell if serious… Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I heard on the news last night that the people who were sitting next to the door have all sorts of PTSD now and are doing weird shit like running around outside naked at 3:00 AM. Can’t tell if serious… I can’t tell either. Seems like perfectly normal behavior to me. |
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Posted: 1/14/2024 11:46:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dan Gryder - FAA - Asleep at the Wheel. Again. Part II https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LptRFVx1kKQ |
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Posted: 1/14/2024 11:49:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't know who this guy is, but I'm having a hard time taking him seriously. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Dan Gryder - FAA - Asleep at the Wheel. Again. Part II https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LptRFVx1kKQI don't know who this guy is, but I'm having a hard time taking him seriously. He is an absolute moron with ZERO credibility. Everything that oozes from his mouth is tripe. |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 12:26:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't know who this guy is, but I'm having a hard time taking him seriously. He and Blanco are at least as good as a broken clock. Probably a lot better than that, to be honest, whether you like the packaging or not. |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 12:38:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He and Blanco are at least as good as a broken clock. Probably a lot better than that, to be honest, whether you like the packaging or not. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don't know who this guy is, but I'm having a hard time taking him seriously. He and Blanco are at least as good as a broken clock. Probably a lot better than that, to be honest, whether you like the packaging or not. Juan Brown is competent. Sometimes less said with a fraction of the information needed is better. I could used more early on. |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 1:52:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't know who this guy is, but I'm having a hard time taking him seriously. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Dan Gryder - FAA - Asleep at the Wheel. Again. Part II https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LptRFVx1kKQI don't know who this guy is, but I'm having a hard time taking him seriously. Don't take him seriously. He is a fucktard. |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 8:19:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like the diversity hires at the NTSB are giving that door their full attention. We're in good hands folks! Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like the diversity hires at the NTSB are giving that door their full attention. We're in good hands folks! Same woman is standing at some of the NTSB media briefings. Why have just one speaker when you have to fill the diversity bingo card.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 8:26:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't take him seriously. He is a fucktard. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Dan Gryder - FAA - Asleep at the Wheel. Again. Part II https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LptRFVx1kKQI don't know who this guy is, but I'm having a hard time taking him seriously. Don't take him seriously. He is a fucktard. Gryder is a weapons-grade dipshit. |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 8:37:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Juan Brown is competent. Sometimes less said with a fraction of the information needed is better. I could used more early on. Every content creator is like that. In their minds, they are selling seconds. |
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