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Posted: 1/6/2024 3:06:45 PM EDT
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You just know that this was someone's first flight on that plane. Doubt they fly again now.
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Posted: 1/6/2024 3:14:49 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/6/2024 3:21:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All doors are plug type, they have to rotate inward in order to open and then swing out. There are no inflight lockout mechanisms. It is a manual lock, the only thing that keeps that manual lock from being unlocked and the door opened in flight is positive PS differential. ETA. I see this was a plug for a door, not a door. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: What is a "plug door" and why are they deactivated for pax jets? I have no idea. But, this is a mid-cabin emergency exit (a bit different from the wing exits) and while it should have in-flight lockout mechanisms, it is most certainly not "deactivated" in flights with passengers aboard. All doors are plug type, they have to rotate inward in order to open and then swing out. There are no inflight lockout mechanisms. It is a manual lock, the only thing that keeps that manual lock from being unlocked and the door opened in flight is positive PS differential. ETA. I see this was a plug for a door, not a door. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 3:23:49 PM EDT
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Lol
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Posted: 1/6/2024 3:31:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Competence crisis strikes again? Atlas Shrugged was a documentary. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 3:32:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: On the over wing doors on the 737 ng and max there is a flight lock solenoid. Without it, one could easily open the over wing exits in flight. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: What is a "plug door" and why are they deactivated for pax jets? I have no idea. But, this is a mid-cabin emergency exit (a bit different from the wing exits) and while it should have in-flight lockout mechanisms, it is most certainly not "deactivated" in flights with passengers aboard. All doors are plug type, they have to rotate inward in order to open and then swing out. There are no inflight lockout mechanisms. It is a manual lock, the only thing that keeps that manual lock from being unlocked and the door opened in flight is positive PS differential. ETA. I see this was a plug for a door, not a door. The A220 also uses that configuration.the door hinges up.Also,as soon as the door hinges up the evacuation slide actives unless a "key" is Installed behind the exit light.I've seen one of those activate by accident when someone opened the OWEED in preflight. Now the mechanism is physically deactivated where the slide is located(rear fuselage just behind wing) If someone was on a stand behind the wing and that slide activated,that person on the stand would have a really bad day.The slide uses compressed air and a small charge to inflate within seconds of deployment. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 3:57:27 PM EDT
[#7]
 smh |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 4:25:05 PM EDT
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Given the inherent conflict of the profitability/timeliness vs quality imperative in aircraft manufacturing and the current bean counter leadership at Boeing, I am honestly surprised stuff like this does not happen more often. When you think about the manufacturing lines and production/cost pressures, It is quite a testimony to the existing QC processes that accidents do not happen more.
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Posted: 1/6/2024 4:26:44 PM EDT
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Holy crap.
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Posted: 1/6/2024 6:13:23 PM EDT
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Quote History"...several phones were sucked out as well.." Yeah, I believe it. The retention lanyard that I put on my phone so I don't drop it while pulling it out on rock/ice climbs would just be sitting idly in my pocket, because violent decompression wouldn't have been on my radar of things to worry about. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 7:17:36 PM EDT
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/alaska-airlines-grounds-boeing-737-9-aircraft-wind-blew-out-1.7076487
A. Will need to sedate the kid and his mother before you every get them on a plane again. Hence there is fun/E ticket rides, but that all ends when your shirt is sucked off you you to start with. On the positive, will make huge bank on the lawsuit, so will never be so rushed in life that they may ever need to fly somewhere again. B, is Boeing going to get the fine for the problem happening in the first place, since did not have the correct lock out to the door system. or plugged off door when it was paneled off for not use in this config, or is the Alaska Airlines going to get the fine, for their service crew not checking the system behind a panel as part of their ongoing service instead. I bring this up, since Boeing has agreed to pay $200 million US to the Securities and Exchange Commission to settle civil charges that it misled investors about the 737 Max crashes, and got to believe that this failure on a two month old plane would fall back on them as well. Also, going to be a lot of lawsuits going on as well over this, so are they going to be directed at Boeing, or at the Alaska Airlines. But hey, at least Boeing can not write this one off to pilot/ maintenance service error, like the Max crashes when the Mcas system without redundancy had problems to cause the crashes; that the pilots did not even know where on the planes to start with, until after the second crash that the planes where ground by the FAA/government. At least the FAA did learn from that mistake of trusting Boeing, and has ground all the 9's that are in the same configuration, until they can figure out the problem, and get it resolved so it does not happen again. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 7:37:31 PM EDT
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Whole plane is full, but by coincidence, nobody seated where this happened
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Posted: 1/6/2024 7:44:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/alaska-airlines-grounds-boeing-737-9-aircraft-wind-blew-out-1.7076487 A. Will need to sedate the kid and his mother before you every get them on a plane again. Hence there is fun/E ticket rides, but that all ends when your shirt is sucked off you you to start with. On the positive, will make huge bank on the lawsuit, so will never be so rushed in life that they may ever need to fly somewhere again. B, is Boeing going to get the fine for the problem happening in the first place, since did not have the correct lock out to the door system. or plugged off door when it was paneled off for not use in this config, or is the Alaska Airlines going to get the fine, for their service crew not checking the system behind a panel as part of their ongoing service instead. I bring this up, since Boeing has agreed to pay $200 million US to the Securities and Exchange Commission to settle civil charges that it misled investors about the 737 Max crashes, and got to believe that this failure on a two month old plane would fall back on them as well. Also, going to be a lot of lawsuits going on as well over this, so are they going to be directed at Boeing, or at the Alaska Airlines. But hey, at least Boeing can not write this one off to pilot/ maintenance service error, like the Max crashes when the Mcas system without redundancy had problems to cause the crashes; that the pilots did not even know where on the planes to start with, until after the second crash that the planes where ground by the FAA/government. At least the FAA did learn from that mistake of trusting Boeing, and has ground all the 9's that are in the same configuration, until they can figure out the problem, and get it resolved so it does not happen again. 2 months in service, and this should be a blind plug that’s not removable without tools? This isn’t on Alaska Airlines unless their people messed with it (doubtful) or it had a required inspection scheduled already (also doubtful) that wasn’t performed (yes, you said that, but it seems very early for a structural type inspection) |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 7:48:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryWhat idiot typed that? Although a 747 Max 9 would be an interesting aircraft. But the 747 is no more. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 7:50:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 2 months in service, and this should be a blind plug that’s not removable without tools? This isn’t on Alaska Airlines unless their people messed with it (doubtful) or it had a required inspection scheduled already (also doubtful) that wasn’t performed (yes, you said that, but it seems very early for a structural type inspection) Doubt an inspection was due, but Alaska was known for pencil whipping inspections. That was 20 years ago when the jackscrew failed in CA. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 7:54:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ho Lee Crap That would suck! |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 8:13:59 PM EDT
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That panel is bigger than the emergency exits. If I had to configure seats into the plane I would use that panel. Moving them across the wings would be easy to damage the wing.
I wonder if the airframe was delivered with or without seat’s installed. Someone on here may know who does the final installation of the seats. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 8:18:55 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/6/2024 8:32:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: On a 737. https://www.fireapparatusmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/ARFF082118-Greenwood1.jpg https://scontent-lax3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.18169-9/12651137_1195052410523373_5306517702964010361_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=c2f564&_nc_ohc=DAOsJC-vWAAAX9miDx1&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-2.xx&oh=00_AfBUSY8PLEXKNc4KCNRHiDAKJ316Q_fsjBI7of5jiO0WuA&oe=65C0F179 Eta: page 3 of the other thread |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 8:37:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I didn't realize it is common for people to unbuckle during the flight. Granted, I have an extreme unreasonable fear of flying, but I always thought the seatbelt sign lets you know when you are able to get up to go to the bathroom. People are out there riding on planes unbuckled?  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Keeping your seatbelt fastened while in flight is usually a good idea. I didn't realize it is common for people to unbuckle during the flight. Granted, I have an extreme unreasonable fear of flying, but I always thought the seatbelt sign lets you know when you are able to get up to go to the bathroom. People are out there riding on planes unbuckled? I used to always unbuckle my seatbelt as soon as the sign went off. Back in 2000 I was working in offshore oil. I was on leave for Christmas an was flying back home. We hit some severe turbulence and the plane dropped for several seconds. Drinks were flying in the air and some people hit the overhead compartments. Since then I keep the seatbelt on unless i'm moving around. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 8:55:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Whole plane is full, but by coincidence, nobody seated where this happened 171 of 178. I would place my bet more on deivine intervention rather than conspiracy but you do you. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 9:03:19 PM EDT
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Pants were shat, guaranteed.
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Posted: 1/6/2024 9:03:55 PM EDT
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Was someone sitting there and they moved after shit fell apart?
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Posted: 1/6/2024 9:11:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Was someone sitting there and they moved after shit fell apart? Quote HistoryQuoted: Was someone sitting there and they moved after shit fell apart? The seat next to the destroyed section of the plane was unoccupied but the force ripped the shirt off a teenager in the middle seat, leaving his skin reddened and legs bruised from the sudden decompression, a passenger said. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 9:12:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He's not in the pic with the guy charging his phone. Guess he was moved? |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 9:16:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He's not in the pic with the guy charging his phone. Guess he was moved? Quote HistoryQuoted: He's not in the pic with the guy charging his phone. Guess he was moved? Yeah him and his mom were moved to different seats after it happened according to this article. She said the teenager and his mother who was with him were moved to other seats by flight attendants. "His mom had to drag him back into the plane," Le said. "I don't know where they are now, but everyone was OK." |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 9:20:36 PM EDT
[#27]
The vacuum must've been wild
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Posted: 1/6/2024 9:31:57 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Boeing? Out the window you're going! The saying around here used to be "if it is not Boeing then I'm not going". It is sad how much Boeing has destroyed their reputation. At least they are working hard to increase their global equity, diversity, and inclusion numbers...and apparently that is all that matters. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 9:34:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The vacuum must've been wild Twistersuckzone.gif |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 9:53:09 PM EDT
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Door details/photos/design begin at 1:30 in this video.
 737 Mid-Cabin Emergency Exit Doors |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 9:55:08 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/6/2024 10:01:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The saying around here used to be "if it is not Boeing then I'm not going". It is sad how much Boeing has destroyed their reputation. At least they are working hard to increase their global equity, diversity, and inclusion numbers...and apparently that is all that matters. Everything woke turns to shit! |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 10:12:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That panel is bigger than the emergency exits. If I had to configure seats into the plane I would use that panel. Moving them across the wings would be easy to damage the wing. I wonder if the airframe was delivered with or without seat’s installed. Someone on here may know who does the final installation of the seats. Seats go in on one of the final flow days before the aircraft rolls out and goes to paint. The pitch and config, not to mention the seats themselves are all selected by the customer, but Boeing does the installation. There are a couple of more hurdles before delivery, but once the aircraft is handed over to the customer they usually start flying passengers either that day or the next. Not kidding. The aircraft has already done it's test flights and a few adjustments have been made...it doesn't make any money sitting on the ground. I'd bet there was no conspiracy to that empty seat. No window, probably the worst seat on the aircraft. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 10:12:44 PM EDT
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The COVID-era manufacturing workforce keeps giving and giving. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 10:15:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted g]By JLPettimoreIII: Quoted: Twistersuckzone.gif So pissed I couldn’t figure out how to post it from mobile. I feel like it’s a gapping hole 
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Posted: 1/6/2024 10:21:13 PM EDT
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DEI engineering in a nutshell.
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Posted: 1/6/2024 10:23:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: DEI engineering in a nutshell. Is Boeing DEI'd up to the tits these days? |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 10:26:14 PM EDT
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I would think they would really be looking for that door about now. The 2 upper points where that door is secured to the fuselage (with bolts or pins) seems to be undamaged from the pics shown inside and outside.
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Posted: 1/6/2024 10:30:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would think they would really be looking for that door about now. The 2 upper points where that door is secured to the fuselage (with bolts or pins) seems to be undamaged from the pics shown inside and outside. Is this door new on the Max or is it a legacy carryover? |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 10:33:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is Boeing DEI'd up to the tits these days? Tranny tits deep. https://www.boeing.com/principles/diversity-and-inclusion/index.page |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 10:47:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd bet there was no conspiracy to that empty seat. No window, probably the worst seat on the aircraft. Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd bet there was no conspiracy to that empty seat. No window, probably the worst seat on the aircraft. Good point. I kept thinking "exit row, how could it not be filled?" but (1) it wasn't really an exit row, and (2) there wasn't a window to look out of so why bother sitting there. The teenager sitting in the middle seat was lucky he didn't want some space away from his mother, though. Quoted: Is Boeing DEI'd up to the tits these days? They were DEI'd up to the tits 25 years ago. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 10:55:25 PM EDT
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Think about it, though...how the f__k does a plug door simply “blow out”?
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Posted: 1/6/2024 10:59:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is Boeing DEI'd up to the tits these days? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: DEI engineering in a nutshell. Is Boeing DEI'd up to the tits these days? |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 11:00:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Think about it, though...how the f__k does a plug door simply “blow out”? Mechanically improperly installed plug door on a pressureized fuselage. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 11:04:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Airline mechanics, what are we looking at? You must be in management. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 11:12:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Mechanically improperly installed plug door on a pressurized fuselage. Something like that needs to be Tard Proof (TM) on all levels. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 11:16:55 PM EDT
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Don't the planes get pressurized during functional testing on the flight line?
Then again during it's last flight test before delivery? I'm surprised that the plug didn't fail during the initial pressurization cycles. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 11:21:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't the planes get pressurized during functional testing on the flight line? Then again during it's last flight test before delivery? I'm surprised that the plug didn't fail during the initial pressurization cycles. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 11:23:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: On the over wing doors on the 737 ng and max there is a flight lock solenoid. Without it, one could easily open the over wing exits in flight. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: What is a "plug door" and why are they deactivated for pax jets? I have no idea. But, this is a mid-cabin emergency exit (a bit different from the wing exits) and while it should have in-flight lockout mechanisms, it is most certainly not "deactivated" in flights with passengers aboard. All doors are plug type, they have to rotate inward in order to open and then swing out. There are no inflight lockout mechanisms. It is a manual lock, the only thing that keeps that manual lock from being unlocked and the door opened in flight is positive PS differential. ETA. I see this was a plug for a door, not a door. Yeah, you are right, they open out, it has been a long time since I flew the -800 |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 11:24:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThere is some accurate reporting right there LOL |
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