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Posted: 4/7/2023 8:52:37 AM EDT
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A couple years ago I had a loud knock on the door a little after midnight. After looking through the peep hole and seeing the officer, I opened the door, but forgot I was still holding a pistol. He was cool about it though and said everyone should be armed while answering the door that late. I guess it could have ended poorly but I'm sure there are thousands of similar situations for every situation like that one that went horribly, but this is the only one to make the news. Its like how millions of defensive uses of guns are not reported but every malicious one is.
Apparently a neighbor called to report someone with a flashlight looking around my house. I had just been out there replacing the pre filter on our water system lol. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 8:52:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, what if it wasn't the wrong address? Cop announces that the police are at your front door and you answer with a gun in your hand? You're a fucking retard. Just keep making excuses for the incompetence. The houses are clearly labelled and they negligently murdered the deceased. They even had time to un-fuck the situation when there was no answer and they called dispatch to call back the reporting party. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 8:52:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 1000% agree Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Whether they were wrong to shoot will depend. But its a FACT that they went to the WRONG house. It is a shit situation but it STARTED with Police fucking up by attending the wrong address. 1000% agree Dont know if you are a cop but does qualified immunity apply if the officer fucks up by walking past a clearly marked number and misreads it ? |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 8:53:10 AM EDT
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Am i in before one of the usual TBL is in here defending the cops?
Lol, of course not. A few bad apples. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 8:53:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Should be death penalty. You went to wrong house and murdered someone simply because you saw them legitimately carrying a gun in their own house at night. No excuse. This. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 8:53:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Likewise checking the house is the correct house ? Yup. Cops were wrong going to the wrong address. But people were ridiculing what happened at the front door. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 8:55:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just keep making excuses for the incompetence. The houses are clearly labelled and they negligently murdered the deceased. They even had time to un-fuck the situation when there was no answer and they called dispatch to call back the reporting party. I've said the cops were wrong several times regarding the house. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 8:56:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So look out a window? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Sure, because NO WAY would the bad guys yell "police" to get you to open up so they can rob you. So look out a window? Or not. I'm not opening shit either way. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 8:57:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dont know if you are a cop but does qualified immunity apply if the officer fucks up by walking past a clearly marked number and misreads it ? I'm not sure which district NM is in, but CO and other states have had ruling concerning "officer created peril", as in did the officers actions force the resulting use of force. I don't know how it would be applied here. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 8:57:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've said the cops were wrong several times regarding the house. They were also wrong for shooting an innocent man for answering his own door. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 8:57:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup. Cops were wrong going to the wrong address. But people were ridiculing what happened at the front door. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Likewise checking the house is the correct house ? Yup. Cops were wrong going to the wrong address. But people were ridiculing what happened at the front door. I could understand your point of view if private ownership of guns did not exist. Then, a cop seeing a guy opening a door with a gun could be ASSUMED to have malicious intent / pose a threat. But it is NOT unusual to possess a gun in the US. And being that they are for self defense - it is not unreasonable to answer the door armed at that time of night. Dont know if you are a cop but does qualified immunity apply if the officer fucks up by walking past a clearly marked number and misreads it ? |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 8:57:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So look out a window? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Sure, because NO WAY would the bad guys yell "police" to get you to open up so they can rob you. So look out a window? Don’t look out a window either. That’ll get you killed too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Atatiana_Jefferson Body camera footage[21] released by the Fort Worth Police Department shows that two officers had walked quietly around the side of the home.[22] Officer Aaron Dean had walked into Jefferson's backyard.[14] Seeing Jefferson in the window of her home, the officer yelled "put your hands up! Show me your hands!" and then fired a single shot through Jefferson's window.[1][14] Describing the video, the BBC wrote that Dean fired "within seconds" of seeing Jefferson.[4] The BBC also wrote that the footage does not appear to show police identifying themselves or whether she was armed.[4] Lot of good it does you when you’re dead that the cop got convicted of manslaughter. Don’t answer the door. But if you do, make sure you check with cameras prior to answering and make sure you have no visible weapons. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 8:58:10 AM EDT
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If I cant SEE who is knocking on the door, I dont answer.
How do you not SEE uniformed Police as being who is knocking? |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 8:58:14 AM EDT
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You hardly ever get the news article where police go to the right address.
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Posted: 4/7/2023 8:58:29 AM EDT
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Google. Most of the time Google only gets you close and most of the time the house numbers can't be seen.
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Posted: 4/7/2023 8:59:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Opening your door with a gun in your hand when the police are knocking is full stop retarded. They were responding to a domestic, I can almost gaurantee they weren't tapping on the door. Likely pounding on it and yelling police. But yeah, attack my geographic location, moron. And if you are the homeowner that was NOT beating your wife, why the fuck would the police be POUNDING AND YELLING on your door at 11:30 at night? |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:00:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I could understand your point of view if private ownership of guns did not exist. Then, a cop seeing a guy opening a door with a gun could be ASSUMED to have malicious intent / pose a threat. But it is NOT unusual to possess a gun in the US. And being that they are for self defense - it is not unreasonable to answer the door armed at that time of night. The cops went to the wrong house, that's a given. But they obviously didn't believe they did at the time. They were responding to a domestic violence call, door wasn't opening, then when it does there's someone with a gun. This wasn't a UPS driver knocking on the door to simply drop off a package. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:02:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sure, because NO WAY would the bad guys yell "police" to get you to open up so they can rob you. Why answer the door at all? You gonna answer the door to an unknown number of people at nearly midnight? Even armed that’s dumb. You may see one person outside, but there could be two more waiting off the side to rob you(if it wasn’t actually the police). |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:03:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Morons What are the lessons to be learned as a homeowner? Don’t answer the door? Did dispatch call the dead guy or the correct house? If possible you can verify it is the popo, uniforms, marked car in street etc. If you don’t have visibility and are concerned about a home invasion by people claiming to be police you can call 911 to verify and maybe get some info as to why they are there and provide feedback like they are at the wrong house. While answering the door with a gun may be gut instinct, it not only puts you at risk in situations like this but puts you at a disadvantage if something really was going down. If that was the case you shouldn’t be opening the door to begin with. I can’t think of a scenario where it is the right call, at least not with it displayed. Once again, if you feel the need to do that, you shouldn’t be opening the door. You don’t have to open the door. I can’t think of a scenario where I am opening the door. If it’s so important they can call me. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:03:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And if you are the homeowner that was NOT beating your wife, why the fuck would the police be POUNDING AND YELLING on your door at 11:30 at night? So you're concerned about intruders given the time of day, enough that you grab a gun. Then you open the door without checking to see who it is? I guess the homeowner was just looking to "get it on", right? |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:04:38 AM EDT
[#21]
RIP
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:04:45 AM EDT
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Unless there is a bodycam video of them announcing themselves as the police I don't believe it. I had a cop a few years ago ring my doorbell around 1am and she never announced she was a cop until she saw my shotgun through the glass door. I had it in one hand and not pointed at anything which I guess is the reason I didn't get shot.
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:05:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is one of the reasons we need to end qualified immunity. It’s a license to do whatever you want to do and not be responsible for your own stupidity. It needs to end. That’s not how qualified immunity works, that’s not how any of this works. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:06:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The cops went to the wrong house, that's a given. But they obviously didn't believe they did at the time. They were responding to a domestic violence call, door wasn't opening, then when it does there's someone with a gun. This wasn't a UPS driver knocking on the door to simply drop off a package. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I could understand your point of view if private ownership of guns did not exist. Then, a cop seeing a guy opening a door with a gun could be ASSUMED to have malicious intent / pose a threat. But it is NOT unusual to possess a gun in the US. And being that they are for self defense - it is not unreasonable to answer the door armed at that time of night. The cops went to the wrong house, that's a given. But they obviously didn't believe they did at the time. They were responding to a domestic violence call, door wasn't opening, then when it does there's someone with a gun. This wasn't a UPS driver knocking on the door to simply drop off a package. Instead of chanting "TBL TBL TBL". Just say they fucked up and move on. Gives you more credibility. Next will be Cop In City to come in here defending the murder of an innocent civilian. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:06:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's horrible. So why the mix up of the address? They received no instruction on Code Napoleon (Napoleonic Code). Odd #s addresses on one side, even # addresses on the other. As the # starts and you visually look up the street, even #s will be on the right and odd #s on the left. I blame their grade school and police academy for this failure. BTW, popo skool didn't teach us that either. 
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:07:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Morons What are the lessons to be learned as a homeowner? Don’t answer the door? Did dispatch call the dead guy or the correct house? Get a ring so you know whose at your door. Respond appropriately |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:09:31 AM EDT
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Mighty fine.
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:10:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Instead of chanting "TBL TBL TBL". Just say they fucked up and move on. Gives you more credibility. Next will be Cop In City to come in here defending the murder of an innocent civilian. I should just chant acab like you? |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:11:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And that cop was wrong. He was prowling through a backyard after sneaking back there and not announcing himself. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Didn't that get a woman shot by an officer? And that cop was wrong. He was prowling through a backyard after sneaking back there and not announcing himself. Right or wrong, she still got killed by looking out the window. Consequences for the officer after the fact don't matter to her when she's just as dead as the guy in this case. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:11:51 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:12:23 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Right or wrong, she still got killed by looking out the window. Consequences for the officer after the fact don't matter to her when she's just as dead as the guy in this case. So what's your position? Cop fucked up and is going (or went) to prison. What should happen? |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:14:02 AM EDT
[#32]
bAcK tHe BlUe
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:15:03 AM EDT
[#33]
Shoot the guy and then say "DROP THE GUN!!! STOP RESISTING"
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:15:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, what if it wasn't the wrong address? Cop announces that the police are at your front door and you answer with a gun in your hand? You're a fucking retard. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:15:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s not how qualified immunity works, that’s not how any of this works. if they do stupid things even in error...it should be on them. they should have to get professional insurance like a dr. sorry but not sorry. Qualified immunity is BS and needs to end |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:15:58 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not sure which district NM is in, but CO and other states have had ruling concerning "officer created peril", as in did the officers actions force the resulting use of force. I don't know how it would be applied here. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Dont know if you are a cop but does qualified immunity apply if the officer fucks up by walking past a clearly marked number and misreads it ? I'm not sure which district NM is in, but CO and other states have had ruling concerning "officer created peril", as in did the officers actions force the resulting use of force. I don't know how it would be applied here. Nearest thing that New Mexixo has to that is ......  Attached FileI am still curious whether QI applies where Police misread a clearly marked house number and by doing so, create a perilous situation. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:16:04 AM EDT
[#37]
Too many cops are mods here, so I’ll withhold my comments on the matter.
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:16:25 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:17:25 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Opening your door with a gun in your hand when the police are knocking is full stop retarded. They were responding to a domestic, I can almost gaurantee they weren't tapping on the door. Likely pounding on it and yelling police. But yeah, attack my geographic location, moron. Quoted the CoC violation. Let’s see what happens. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:18:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is one of the reasons we need to end qualified immunity. It’s a license to do whatever you want to do and not be responsible for your own stupidity. It needs to end. NM did strip Qualified immunity , so these officers may have just become the first major test of how that plays out. Since it’s state level thing it mostly removes the civil protection from the agency with a 2mil cap. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:18:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So what's your position? Cop fucked up and is going (or went) to prison. What should happen? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Right or wrong, she still got killed by looking out the window. Consequences for the officer after the fact don't matter to her when she's just as dead as the guy in this case. So what's your position? Cop fucked up and is going (or went) to prison. What should happen? My position is that looking out the window to see if it's the cops banging on your door, as you suggested, is not a safe suggestion, and may get you killed even if it is actually cops at the door. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:20:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sure, because NO WAY would the bad guys yell "police" to get you to open up so they can rob you. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So, what if it wasn't the wrong address? Cop announces that the police are at your front door and you answer with a gun in your hand? You're a fucking retard. Nevermind that him and his wife could have been sleeping and just heard a bunch of racket.... the retard in this story isn't who you think it is. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:20:37 AM EDT
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Bankrupt the cops and their families. Then hang them in the street.
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:21:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I should just chant acab like you? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Instead of chanting "TBL TBL TBL". Just say they fucked up and move on. Gives you more credibility. Next will be Cop In City to come in here defending the murder of an innocent civilian. I should just chant acab like you? Never heard that out of me but trust me that some of you guys are pushing me towards it every day. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:21:41 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The cops went to the wrong house, that's a given. But they obviously didn't believe they did at the time. They were responding to a domestic violence call, door wasn't opening, then when it does there's someone with a gun. This wasn't a UPS driver knocking on the door to simply drop off a package. This is the "oops my bad, blonde moment" Amanda Geiger defense. Aside from going in the house, I don't see this any different. There are more guns than people in this country, the mere presence of a gun shouldn't give cops the freedom to start shooting law abiding people in their own home or anywhere else. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:22:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My position is that looking out the window to see if it's the cops banging on your door, as you suggested, is not a safe suggestion, and may get you killed even if it is actually cops at the door. Because they are the same situation at all, right. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:23:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nevermind that him and his wife could have been sleeping and just heard a bunch of racket.... the retard in this story isn't who you think it is. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: So, what if it wasn't the wrong address? Cop announces that the police are at your front door and you answer with a gun in your hand? You're a fucking retard. Nevermind that him and his wife could have been sleeping and just heard a bunch of racket.... the retard in this story isn't who you think it is. When it comes to retarded reasoning I can only say this - When you police a population that has the right to possess arms, you have to factor that into the equation. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:24:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You don't have the ability to see who is at your door? You want the police to be wrong because you have a bias. ETA What makes you believe these cops weren't uniformed and driving marked cars? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Cops only travel in marked cars? Good to know!!! You don't have the ability to see who is at your door? You want the police to be wrong because you have a bias. ETA What makes you believe these cops weren't uniformed and driving marked cars? They let two guys in police uniforms into the Isabella Stewart Gardner museum in Boston, and that led to the largest art heist in history. What I want is the cops to not be so fucking incompetent that they come to the wrong house and then be trigger happy when they do. And yeah, THE POLICE WERE FUCKING WRONG!!! Stop kissing up and deal with the facts. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:24:29 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Never answer the door. Doorbell camera. Observe armed men on porch. Press 'SOS' button on phone. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:24:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bankrupt the cops and their families. Then hang them in the street. Lol you're calling for punishing children for the deeds of their parents, and the cops are the pieces of shit. Right. |
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