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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:24:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So you're concerned about intruders given the time of day, enough that you grab a gun. Then you open the door without checking to see who it is? I guess the homeowner was just looking to "get it on", right? Maybe he did look out the window and wondered why police (or people dressed like police) are outside of his house pounding on his door....thus he opened the door bud didn't expect to get ventilated? His wife was armed as well. Based on the story, the police knocked on the door, but no one originally answered. So did the police keep knocking after calling dispatch, or at a minimum just stand around his house? So yes, armed homeowner is well within his right to check his own damn property. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:25:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does qualified immunity apply if the officers were negligient ( assuming the house was clearly numbered ) by going to the wrong address ? To get qualified immunity you must qualify for it. Judges have absolute immunity. Meaning no matter what they are immune. If the officer are found negligent they no long qualify for immunity. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:25:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is the "oops my bad, blonde moment" Amanda Geiger defense. Aside from going in the house, I don't see this any different. There are more guns than people in this country, the mere presence of a gun shouldn't give cops the freedom to start shooting law abiding people in their own home or anywhere else. You can't see the difference between entering a home and knocking on a door? |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:26:56 AM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So you're concerned about intruders given the time of day, enough that you grab a gun. Then you open the door without checking to see who it is? I guess the homeowner was just looking to "get it on", right? There are people on arfcom who won't take a shit in their own toilet without a gun In hand. Some people truly live the 2nd amendment (the right to keep and bear arms), you're basically denying them that right because you got a call. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:27:19 AM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They let two guys in police uniforms into the Isabella Stewart Gardner museum in Boston, and that led to the largest art heist in history. What I want is the cops to not be so fucking incompetent that they come to the wrong house and then be trigger happy when they do. And yeah, THE POLICE WERE FUCKING WRONG!!! Stop kissing up and deal with the facts. Lol. Are you also suspicious of cashiers? They may have snuck behind the counter and put on a store shirt to steal your cash when you hand it to them. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:27:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The cops went to the wrong house, that's a given. But they obviously didn't believe they did at the time. They were responding to a domestic violence call, door wasn't opening, then when it does there's someone with a gun. This wasn't a UPS driver knocking on the door to simply drop off a package. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I could understand your point of view if private ownership of guns did not exist. Then, a cop seeing a guy opening a door with a gun could be ASSUMED to have malicious intent / pose a threat. But it is NOT unusual to possess a gun in the US. And being that they are for self defense - it is not unreasonable to answer the door armed at that time of night. The cops went to the wrong house, that's a given. But they obviously didn't believe they did at the time. They were responding to a domestic violence call, door wasn't opening, then when it does there's someone with a gun. This wasn't a UPS driver knocking on the door to simply drop off a package. Cops shot that guy too. Or was he FedEx? |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:28:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are people on arfcom who won't take a shit in their own toilet without a gun In hand. Some people truly live the 2nd amendment (the right to keep and bear arms), you're basically denying them that right because you got a call. If you get in a self defense shooting and the assailant is laying on the ground dead, are you going to holster up or stand there with your gun on your hand waiting for the police? |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:28:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They have the right to remain silent. after a little screeching and gurgling, sure. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:32:02 AM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So you're concerned about intruders given the time of day, enough that you grab a gun. Then you open the door without checking to see who it is? I guess the homeowner was just looking to "get it on", right? fuck. your comments here are flat out disgusting. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:33:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, what if it wasn't the wrong address? Cop announces that the police are at your front door and you answer with a gun in your hand? You're a fucking retard. What agency does your husband work for? |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:33:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: fuck. your comments here are flat out disgusting. Keep opening your door at 1130 without confirming who is outside, I'm sure it'll work out. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:34:31 AM EDT
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The wife ALSO came to the door and was ALSO armed. Are we to believe she heard police identify themselves, heard her husband get shot and STILL came to the door armed ?
What are the chances that BOTH failed to hear Police identify themselves ? I am also curious as to how the homeowner presented himself ? Was he calm or aggressive ? Was he aiming his firearm or was it by his side ? Apart from being armed, did he say or do anything to make officers perceive a threat ? |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:36:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol you're calling for punishing children for the deeds of their parents, and the cops are the pieces of shit. Right. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Bankrupt the cops and their families. Then hang them in the street. Lol you're calling for punishing children for the deeds of their parents, and the cops are the pieces of shit. Right. Too bad the home owner didn’t mag dump through the door and kill those pieces of shit. He was dead the second they showed up, at least he could have taken out some of the gene pool on his way out. RIP homeowner. Sad the murderous, incompetent cops got out of there. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:36:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because they are the same situation at all, right. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: My position is that looking out the window to see if it's the cops banging on your door, as you suggested, is not a safe suggestion, and may get you killed even if it is actually cops at the door. Because they are the same situation at all, right. They sure ended the same way. But yes, looking out the window to identify unknown persons is the same situation whether it's the backyard or the front door. Looking out the window is dumb, as is opening the door. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:36:56 AM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You can't see the difference between entering a home and knocking on a door? You reserve the right to kill anyone with a gun in hand, anywhere at anytime, if they aren't on team blue? |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:37:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "Besides - he started it by opening the door armed. Who wouldn't be ready to shoot an unknown armed man at 11:30pm?" Hell of a situation. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Farmington police to the victims wife: "We killed your husband but just so there's no hard feelings we won't be charging you with a crime tonight." "Besides - he started it by opening the door armed. Who wouldn't be ready to shoot an unknown armed man at 11:30pm?" Hell of a situation. Especially in Farmington New Mexico. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:38:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They sure ended the same way. But yes, looking out the window to identify unknown persons is the same situation whether it's the backyard or the front door. Looking out the window is dumb, as is opening the door. Someone prowling through your backyard is not the same thing as someone knocking on your door, but sure. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:40:52 AM EDT
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Why do I get the sinking feeling that they exchanged gunfire with this guy the same way they exchanged gunfire with Jose Guerena, them shooting, the homeowner not shooting?
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:41:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Never heard that out of me but trust me that some of you guys are pushing me towards it every day. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Instead of chanting "TBL TBL TBL". Just say they fucked up and move on. Gives you more credibility. Next will be Cop In City to come in here defending the murder of an innocent civilian. I should just chant acab like you? Never heard that out of me but trust me that some of you guys are pushing me towards it every day. He just digs in deeper and deeper, doesn't he? |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:41:20 AM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Man, there is just NO pleasing you guys! The cops in Uvalde don't shoot? You complain. These cops DO shoot? You complain.   Attached File |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:41:38 AM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If you get in a self defense shooting and the assailant is laying on the ground dead, are you going to holster up or stand there with your gun on your hand waiting for the police? I've never shot anyone, so I have no idea how I'd react. I don't know how distraught I would be. I might have a gun in my hand because I'm terrified. You are suggesting, I should fear the cops more than the criminals? |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:41:51 AM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sure, because NO WAY would the bad guys yell "police" to get you to open up so they can rob you. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So, what if it wasn't the wrong address? Cop announces that the police are at your front door and you answer with a gun in your hand? You're a fucking retard. If I was in doubt, I wouldn't be answering the door period. I'd be calling the real cops and setting up a kill box in my foyer with my wife. The dead guy wasn't "wrong" but made a tactically poor decision. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:42:24 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is one of the reasons we need to end qualified immunity. It’s a license to do whatever you want to do and not be responsible for your own stupidity. It needs to end. For real. The exact same self defense definitions of that state should apply to police and civilians equally. I don’t get how any reasonable person would think police need a different definition for the need of deadly force than anyone else! |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:42:41 AM EDT
[#24]
Answering the front door with a visible firearm is just a bad idea. Why are we doing this?
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:42:53 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And that cop was wrong. He was prowling through a backyard after sneaking back there and not announcing himself. Thus the conviction. But I believe there were many in GD who proclaimed that Dean not only was innocent, he was entirely in the right to be trespassing and window peeping in her backyard/bedroom. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:43:12 AM EDT
[#26]
What does the body camera footage look like?
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:43:33 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Someone prowling through your backyard is not the same thing as someone knocking on your door, but sure. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They sure ended the same way. But yes, looking out the window to identify unknown persons is the same situation whether it's the backyard or the front door. Looking out the window is dumb, as is opening the door. Someone prowling through your backyard is not the same thing as someone knocking on your door, but sure. I would disagree. Sure - a knock on the door at noon while you are watching tv is not suspicious. A knock on the door at 1130pm when the house is dark and you are asleep ? Was it a knock or the sound of someone forcing it ? If it woke you up, are you sure what you heard ? |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:44:09 AM EDT
[#28]
Murder. Manslaughter at a minimum.
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:44:58 AM EDT
[#29]
Cops have done this elsewhere as well.
https://www.reuters.com/article/usa-police-immunity-guns-special-report-idINKBN2801GH |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:46:12 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What does the body camera footage look like? Based on the body language and speech from the Police Chief - I bet it looks terrible. Edit - interesting there is only one police officer defending ( albeit conceding they fucked up by getting wrong house ) the shooting. Usually more than one jumps in. To me, that is telling....... |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:48:47 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Thus the conviction. But I believe there were many in GD who proclaimed that Dean not only was innocent, he was entirely in the right to be trespassing and window peeping in her backyard/bedroom. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: And that cop was wrong. He was prowling through a backyard after sneaking back there and not announcing himself. Thus the conviction. But I believe there were many in GD who proclaimed that Dean not only was innocent, he was entirely in the right to be trespassing and window peeping in her backyard/bedroom. Except, that's not case law. It's really dangerous to think of it as such. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:49:28 AM EDT
[#32]
I think no question that cop should go down…
I am in my own home I am legally able to be armed. If he opens the door simply holding the gun that cop should go down for murder. Now, did the home owner open it aggressively and pointing it at them then it shifts a bit…but I doubt that happened or the cops would be saying it. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:49:59 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Someone prowling through your backyard is not the same thing as someone knocking on your door, but sure. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They sure ended the same way. But yes, looking out the window to identify unknown persons is the same situation whether it's the backyard or the front door. Looking out the window is dumb, as is opening the door. Someone prowling through your backyard is not the same thing as someone knocking on your door, but sure. Late at night, and from the homeowners perspective for the purposes of looking out a window, yes it's the same. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:50:10 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Murder. Manslaughter at a minimum. If the officer can show that he had a reasonable fear of serious bodily harm or death, that he wasn't the initial aggressor, that he was not acting recklessly, etc, then it is neither. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:54:39 AM EDT
[#35]
https://youtube.com/shorts/4MlzFqVfIos?feature=share
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:55:54 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Right, the reasonable thing to do. The REASONABLE thing to do is for the cops to make sure they have the correct address. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:56:10 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Opening your door with a gun in your hand when the police are knocking is full stop retarded. They were responding to a domestic, I can almost gaurantee they weren't tapping on the door. Likely pounding on it and yelling police. But yeah, attack my geographic location, moron. I’m betting you’re a cop and big mad that “civilians” can own firearms. You belong in a cell. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 10:00:31 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m betting you’re a cop and big mad that “civilians” can own firearms. You belong in a cell. You'd bet wrong. In betting based on NY that you're a liberal scum that thinks guns are bad. See how that works? |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 10:01:33 AM EDT
[#39]
There is no crime so small that a cop won't kill you over it. Modern history is flush with examples. Anyone saying otherwise is a cop.
Keep posting the links and videos of the shitshow that cops are. Make them come into every thread and try to defend this kind of shit. Point and mock them for the mental gymnastics they do to justify killing people. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 10:03:12 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Answering the front door with a visible firearm is just a bad idea. Why are we doing this? Because I am in my home on my property. Are you suggesting that is wrong? |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 10:04:48 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If the officer can show that he had a reasonable fear of serious bodily harm or death, that he wasn't the initial aggressor, that he was not acting recklessly, etc, then it is neither. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Murder. Manslaughter at a minimum. If the officer can show that he had a reasonable fear of serious bodily harm or death, that he wasn't the initial aggressor, that he was not acting recklessly, etc, then it is neither. Oh he had permission and authority to be there? Nope. Murder. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 10:06:18 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh he had permission and authority to be there? Nope. Murder. You don't need permission to knock on someone's door. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 10:07:27 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You don't have the ability to see who is at your door? You want the police to be wrong because you have a bias. ETA What makes you believe these cops weren't uniformed and driving marked cars? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Cops only travel in marked cars? Good to know!!! You don't have the ability to see who is at your door? You want the police to be wrong because you have a bias. ETA What makes you believe these cops weren't uniformed and driving marked cars? The statement from the police said they were wrong. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 10:08:34 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The statement from the police said they were wrong. The police were absolutely wrong for going to the wrong house. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 10:08:50 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't understand how cops can't seem to get the right address. I mean the mailman and pizza guy always gets it right, and it's not a life and death situation!! On the whole, they have very low IQ's. In fact, that is a bonus for the hiring department. Just look at some of the above exchanges for proof. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 10:08:50 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If the officer can show that he had a reasonable fear of serious bodily harm or death, that he wasn't the initial aggressor, that he was not acting recklessly, etc, then it is neither. Cop was reckless, or stupid. Either one cost a man his life. There is only four digits in the address and he fucked it up. Send him to the pokey and let him explain what a badass cop he was to his cellie. I hope the other inmates enjoy his tbl stories. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 10:10:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You don't need permission to knock on someone's door. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Oh he had permission and authority to be there? Nope. Murder. You don't need permission to knock on someone's door. You raise an interesting question. Was the officer technically trespassing based on getting the wrong address ? |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 10:10:56 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You don't need permission to knock on someone's door. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Oh he had permission and authority to be there? Nope. Murder. You don't need permission to knock on someone's door. Nor shoot them apparently. I don't suggest LE take this path in WY. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 10:11:52 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: On the whole, they have very low IQ's. In fact, that is a bonus for the hiring department. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don't understand how cops can't seem to get the right address. I mean the mailman and pizza guy always gets it right, and it's not a life and death situation!! On the whole, they have very low IQ's. In fact, that is a bonus for the hiring department. While this situation irritates me to no end, I do not believe your comment to be true. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 10:12:06 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The police were absolutely wrong for going to the wrong house. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The statement from the police said they were wrong. The police were absolutely wrong for going to the wrong house. I have no doubt that, had the homeowner been aggressive or aimed his firearm, the Police Chief would have mentioned it. |
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