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Posted: 12/16/2012 3:46:36 AM EDT

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Fox news ..........just had some douchebag former "detective" on who said .223 travels are more than 3000 feet per second, and that Bushmaster .223s are fully automatic, that all you have to do is hold the trigger down and spray.

What. The. Fuck.

Saw that. Bo Dietl, Former NYPD detective.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bo_Dietl

How the fuck can he be so ignorant. It has never once been suggested by anyone this was a F/A, gun all reports for two days are it is S/A. I almost though Gerlado was going to correct him.

It is downright scary the amount of ignorance out there.

He's not ignorant. He's lying.

Posted: 12/16/2012 4:06:22 AM EDT

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Fox news ..........just had some douchebag former "detective" on who said .223 travels are more than 3000 feet per second, and that Bushmaster .223s are fully automatic, that all you have to do is hold the trigger down and spray.

What. The. Fuck.

Saw that. Bo Dietl, Former NYPD detective.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bo_Dietl

How the fuck can he be so ignorant. It has never once been suggested by anyone this was a F/A, gun all reports for two days are it is S/A. I almost though Gerlado was going to correct him.

It is downright scary the amount of ignorance out there.

He's not ignorant. He's lying.

Agreed. He has an agenda. Bloomberg is buttering his bread one way or another.

Posted: 12/16/2012 4:19:25 AM EDT

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Dietl is an idiot and has said anti - gun and anti 2A stuff before. Typical big city guy with no clue.

Posted: 12/16/2012 4:35:28 AM EDT

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Harry Reid is in the senate. Republicans own the house. Too many democrap senators are up for re-election in 2 years. There is still the fiscal cliff. If anything, the horse trade will be taxes on the rich to leave the guns alone.

Might get some mental illness regulations, might get mandatory training law( similar to hunter ed before buying a hunting license, maybe gun owner law and safety ed prior to being able to buy a gun, with a ten year renewal exam.

I confess my ignorance.
Is this good or bad for us?

Reid is (supposedly) pro-gun; or at least not complicit in anti-gun maneuvering. He's anti- everything else conservative as far as I know, though.

He has a great record on guns according to the NRA but other than that he is completely nuts and a hard hard core lib. With any luck he'll be as rabid about gun rights as he is liberal issues. How much he can go against his own party on gun rights is the real question. Except for gun rights he is extremely partisan but the dems would still probably throw him out if he keeps preventing gun control legislation from reaching the Senate floor. The dems want gun control really bad, I don't see them letting a party member keep them from getting what they want no matter who it is.

Posted: 12/16/2012 4:43:18 AM EDT

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Keep writing your reps!
and step outside of ARFcom to argue your points, preaching to use isn't helping anything..get in the comments section of these articles
and post on facebook,twitter whatever.

One of the things that have always held shooters back is are unwillingness to show ourselves to non shooters and argue our points to someone other than the choir.
We need to push back before the momentum gets to much to stop.

Posted: 12/16/2012 5:22:48 AM EDT

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Interesting wrinkle in the latest round of stories. The media is now drooling over the fact that the asshole's mom was a prepper/survivalist.

well......someone bought that stuff!! I suspect they know who did by now!

prepper/survivalist my ass. She got the guns so her sick shit 20 year old could play with them,

agree 100% keep shithead happy!...........where did that get her? sadly other's to!

It was reported (can't remember where) that she was getting $270,000 a year in alimony

So Jr. was spoiled I bet.

Posted: 12/16/2012 5:24:05 AM EDT

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suck hole bloomberg is on meet the press right now spewing his fucking bullshit

Posted: 12/16/2012 5:25:43 AM EDT

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Anyone see that the killers family was worth millions? This coupled with the fact that his mother was said to be a "doomsday prepper," does anyone think that the media reports of his weapon being full auto is plausible? I just thought of this while looking over some news stories. Seems like there is a chance he actually had a select fire/full auto ar15.

I highly doubt it.

Is there even pre 86 FA Bushmasters out there ?

doubt it.

You can put an RLL or RDIAS in any AR. (Not that I buy that it was FA.)

Some are not made for that. Google low shelf vs. high shelf WRT a lower receiver.

Anyways, to the idiot media, even a semi AR is a full auto, spray and pray machine gun, and they will do their best to scare the public into believing that.

Posted: 12/16/2012 5:27:29 AM EDT

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suck hole bloomberg is on meet the press right now spewing his fucking bullshit

He's got multiples of bodyguards ... so he can say as he pleases.

Posted: 12/16/2012 5:28:36 AM EDT

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ME says all were shot with Rifle.

Big time repercussions if true.

Now that they have had time to "confer" to "clear up inaccuracies"... of COURSE it was the rifle. It takes time to find or create enough spent cases to fit the scene you know. They didn't have enough of them in the pre-evidence room.

Good god I hope not.

Posted: 12/16/2012 5:33:39 AM EDT

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Anyone see that the killers family was worth millions? This coupled with the fact that his mother was said to be a "doomsday prepper," does anyone think that the media reports of his weapon being full auto is plausible? I just thought of this while looking over some news stories. Seems like there is a chance he actually had a select fire/full auto ar15.

I highly doubt it.

Is there even pre 86 FA Bushmasters out there ?

doubt it.

You can put an RLL or RDIAS in any AR. (Not that I buy that it was FA.)

Some are not made for that. Google low shelf vs. high shelf WRT a lower receiver.

Anyways, to the idiot media, even a semi AR is a full auto, spray and pray machine gun, and they will do their best to scare the public into believing that.

I keep wondering if it had a bump fire stock on it

Posted: 12/16/2012 5:35:45 AM EDT

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Turn on MEET THE PRESS.

Di-FI is slathering about a new bill she's going to introduce on day one next session.

In other news, water is wet.

Posted: 12/16/2012 5:37:13 AM EDT

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Turn on MEET THE PRESS.

Di-FI is slathering about a new bill she's going to introduce on day one next session.

In other news, water is wet.

ya it souds like the same shit she has been pushing for years, it wont go thru

Posted: 12/16/2012 5:38:44 AM EDT

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the sunday morning shows are in full force anti gun mode with every anti alive front and center,

Posted: 12/16/2012 5:43:39 AM EDT

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Anyone see that the killers family was worth millions? This coupled with the fact that his mother was said to be a "doomsday prepper," does anyone think that the media reports of his weapon being full auto is plausible? I just thought of this while looking over some news stories. Seems like there is a chance he actually had a select fire/full auto ar15.

I highly doubt it.

Is there even pre 86 FA Bushmasters out there ?

doubt it.

You can put an RLL or RDIAS in any AR. (Not that I buy that it was FA.)

Some are not made for that. Google low shelf vs. high shelf WRT a lower receiver.

Anyways, to the idiot media, even a semi AR is a full auto, spray and pray machine gun, and they will do their best to scare the public into believing that.

I keep wondering if it had a bump fire stock on it

The assclowns are arguing about the magazines now. "These assault guns have clips that hold 30-100 rounds. No one should have that much firepower"

Apparently these idiots have no clue what a speed reload is. It doesn't matter if the magazine has 5 rounds or 100 rounds, you practice reloading enough time you will become proficient. The same can be said with traditional hunting rifles or even revolvers, practice enough and you can continue firing with minimal pause.

Posted: 12/16/2012 5:54:23 AM EDT

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Dyson is a fucking idiot. He saying it has nothing to do with violent music or the culture it the access to gun that's the problem.

Posted: 12/16/2012 6:06:38 AM EDT

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Anyone see that the killers family was worth millions? This coupled with the fact that his mother was said to be a "doomsday prepper," does anyone think that the media reports of his weapon being full auto is plausible? I just thought of this while looking over some news stories. Seems like there is a chance he actually had a select fire/full auto ar15.

I highly doubt it.

Is there even pre 86 FA Bushmasters out there ?

doubt it.

You can put an RLL or RDIAS in any AR. (Not that I buy that it was FA.)

Some are not made for that. Google low shelf vs. high shelf WRT a lower receiver.

Anyways, to the idiot media, even a semi AR is a full auto, spray and pray machine gun, and they will do their best to scare the public into believing that.

I keep wondering if it had a bump fire stock on it

You too? That would almost be a ood thing from a purely strategic point of view. It's only a matter of time before ATF goes after them. It's an easily vilified accessory, and if the choice was between all semi-autos and high caps, versus the slide fire, I don't want to give up either but the slide fire would be far more preferable to lose.

Posted: 12/16/2012 6:42:32 AM EDT

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This makes me sick. Instead of the government doing a gun ban, why dont they start with the video game makers. Kids now days play first person shooters at a young age. When I was a kid all we had was the Atari 2600 with no blood shed games. If the government wants to ban anything, ban the games that have guns and blood shed in them instead. Too many yonug people shooting up places like their in a video game.

We SHOT each other with BB guns. How is that less "real" than a video game? Charles Whitman never even played Pong! Are you suggesting that there are 100 million COD players out there just itching to bust a cap into somebody? Did you forget to include some types of music? Books? Movies? Where do the "excuses/reasons" stop?

How about we go with; there are X number of people with serious mental issues who might lose control at some point. The how, when and where we/they deal with their issues would seem, to me, to be THE relevant discussion.

Posted: 12/16/2012 6:44:59 AM EDT

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I'm a little behind on the latest developments, but I saw this on CNN.com this morning. CT Governor Malloy with Candice Crowley.

"He penetrated the building by literally shooting an entrance into the building. That's what an assault weapon can do for you," Gov. Dan Malloy told CNN's Candy Crowley.

Is this even accurate? I thought the AR was left in the car.

Source: http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/12/16/latest-updates-connecticut-school-shooting/?hpt=hp_t1

Posted: 12/16/2012 6:58:39 AM EDT

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I'm a little behind on the latest developments, but I saw this on CNN.com this morning. CT Governor Malloy with Candice Crowley.

"He penetrated the building by literally shooting an entrance into the building. That's what an assault weapon can do for you," Gov. Dan Malloy told CNN's Candy Crowley.

Is this even accurate? I thought the AR was left in the car.

Source: http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/12/16/latest-updates-connecticut-school-shooting/?hpt=hp_t1

When the entrance is glass ... yes it can.

Posted: 12/16/2012 7:05:31 AM EDT

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I'm a little behind on the latest developments, but I saw this on CNN.com this morning. CT Governor Malloy with Candice Crowley.

"He penetrated the building by literally shooting an entrance into the building. That's what an assault weapon can do for you," Gov. Dan Malloy told CNN's Candy Crowley.

Is this even accurate? I thought the AR was left in the car.

Source: http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/12/16/latest-updates-connecticut-school-shooting/?hpt=hp_t1

That was yesterday's media misinformation.

Unless it is plate glass, it is easy to break and enter. No gun needed, just smash it with any object.

Posted: 12/16/2012 7:08:37 AM EDT

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"I can tell you that he is going to have a bill to lead on because as a first day bill I'm going to introduce in the Senate and the same bill will be introduced in the House. A bill to ban assault weapons," Feinstein said on NBC's "Meet the Press." "It will ban the sale, the transfer, the importation and the possession. Not retroactively but prospectively. And it will ban the same for big clips, drums or strips of more than 10 bullets."

"There will be a bill. We've been working on it now for a year," Feinstein said. "We've tried to take my bill from '94 to 2004 and perfect it. We believe we have. We exempt over 900 specific weapons that will not fall under the bill. But the purpose of this bill is to get just what Mayor Bloomberg said, weapons of war, off the streets of our cities."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/politico-live/2012/12/feinstein-will-reintroduce-assault-weapons-ban-152095.html

Hopefully House Republican won't cave.

Posted: 12/16/2012 7:12:48 AM EDT

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I'm a little behind on the latest developments, but I saw this on CNN.com this morning. CT Governor Malloy with Candice Crowley.

"He penetrated the building by literally shooting an entrance into the building. That's what an assault weapon can do for you," Gov. Dan Malloy told CNN's Candy Crowley.

Is this even accurate? I thought the AR was left in the car.

Source: http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/12/16/latest-updates-connecticut-school-shooting/?hpt=hp_t1

That was yesterday's media misinformation.

Unless it is plate glass, it is easy to break and enter. No gun needed, just smash it with any object.

Thanks for clarifying that.

I guess then I find really irresponsible for elected public officials to say stuff like this in order to scare the public.

Posted: 12/16/2012 7:13:51 AM EDT

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Anyone else now feeling bad about making fun of panic buyers? Another lower or two would make me feel better right now

Damnit, Just looked and LaRue doesnt have any on their website. It was either that or a arfcom billet I wanted!

Posted: 12/16/2012 7:14:24 AM EDT

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Thanks for clarifying that.

I guess then I find really irresponsible for elected public officials to say stuff like this in order to scare the public. [/div]

Uh, they view that as their job now.

Posted: 12/16/2012 7:14:35 AM EDT

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I'm a little behind on the latest developments, but I saw this on CNN.com this morning. CT Governor Malloy with Candice Crowley.

"He penetrated the building by literally shooting an entrance into the building. That's what an assault weapon can do for you," Gov. Dan Malloy told CNN's Candy Crowley.

Is this even accurate? I thought the AR was left in the car.

Source: http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/12/16/latest-updates-connecticut-school-shooting/?hpt=hp_t1

When the entrance is glass ... yes it can.

This was the substance of every initial report....that they were seen removing an ar-15 from the vehicle. That he used two hanguns and was buzzed into the principals office/ where an altercation began and someone tripped the speaker......they were interviewing a littlle girl (8) and her father and she said that before any booms, the PA came on and there was cursing and arguig that she knew was wrong.

I'm not being tinfoil, just practical...is it reasonable to assume the first responders broke there wasy in as there was noone to open( buzz) the locked door?

I think there may be just a tad of biased fact bending going on here

Posted: 12/16/2012 7:16:46 AM EDT

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Anyone else now feeling bad about making fun of panic buyers? Another lower or two would make me feel better right now

Panic buying won't do you much good if they ban it. You might be able to hide it, but you wont be able to take it to the range. I have what I have, not feeling the need to buy more. I did buy an 870 Tactical after the election, and will buy an XDs. Pump shotguns, and low capacity handguns are probably pretty far down the gun grabbers' list for now. So if anything I am simply positioning myself in case there is a ban.

Posted: 12/16/2012 7:17:09 AM EDT

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ABC right now is a full on gun control fest. Today seems like the day that the
Gun control pols are attacking.

Posted: 12/16/2012 7:17:28 AM EDT

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This makes me sick. Instead of the government doing a gun ban, why dont they start with the video game makers. Kids now days play first person shooters at a young age. When I was a kid all we had was the Atari 2600 with no blood shed games. If the government wants to ban anything, ban the games that have guns and blood shed in them instead. Too many yonug people shooting up places like their in a video game.

We SHOT each other with BB guns. How is that less "real" than a video game? Charles Whitman never even played Pong! Are you suggesting that there are 100 million COD players out there just itching to bust a cap into somebody? Did you forget to include some types of music? Books? Movies? Where do the "excuses/reasons" stop?

How about we go with; there are X number of people with serious mental issues who might lose control at some point. The how, when and where we/they deal with their issues would seem, to me, to be THE relevant discussion.

Apparently, Amok Disorder was classified as a mental disorder in the mid-1800's. The subject suddenly arms themself, then goes on a rampage in a crowded area, attacking as many people as they can. Theories on the cause seem to focus on a cultural stigma against suicide (the goal of the rampage being to have someone else kill them, though media reports in recent years may have presented these rampages as a situation where it is OK to kill yourself at the end) and the rampage being some form of desperate act to reestablish a perception that the rampager is someone to be respected or feared.

Point that out to the anti's, then see if they can explain why the gun is at fault, when the disorder was first observed in less technologically advanced cultures where the subject would normally use a dagger or larger blade.

Posted: 12/16/2012 7:21:58 AM EDT

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Anyone else now feeling bad about making fun of panic buyers? Another lower or two would make me feel better right now

Panic buying won't do you much good if they ban it. You might be able to hide it, but you wont be able to take it to the range. I have what I have, not feeling the need to buy more. I did buy an 870 Tactical after the election, and will buy an XDs. Pump shotguns, and low capacity handguns are probably pretty far down the gun grabbers' list for now. So if anything I am simply positioning myself in case there is a ban.

Ex post facto laws against certain guns would be unconstitutional

Posted: 12/16/2012 7:25:00 AM EDT

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Anyone else now feeling bad about making fun of panic buyers? Another lower or two would make me feel better right now

Panic buying won't do you much good if they ban it. You might be able to hide it, but you wont be able to take it to the range. I have what I have, not feeling the need to buy more. I did buy an 870 Tactical after the election, and will buy an XDs. Pump shotguns, and low capacity handguns are probably pretty far down the gun grabbers' list for now. So if anything I am simply positioning myself in case there is a ban.

I doubt they'll be banning barrel blanks and chamber reamers. That, and magazines, are what I've been looking at, lately.

Posted: 12/16/2012 7:28:46 AM EDT

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I dont know. In Kosovo in 99 we confiscated all automatic and bolt action weapons so the Serbs would stop killing the albanians. It didnt sit well with me enforcing it. Only thing allowed was shotguns for hunting. I fear the same is in store for us. Im not the paranoid type but im nearvous.

Posted: 12/16/2012 7:28:57 AM EDT

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Anyone else now feeling bad about making fun of panic buyers? Another lower or two would make me feel better right now

Panic buying won't do you much good if they ban it. You might be able to hide it, but you wont be able to take it to the range. I have what I have, not feeling the need to buy more. I did buy an 870 Tactical after the election, and will buy an XDs. Pump shotguns, and low capacity handguns are probably pretty far down the gun grabbers' list for now. So if anything I am simply positioning myself in case there is a ban.

I doubt they'll be banning barrel blanks and chamber reamers. That, and magazines, are what I've been looking at, lately.

I personally feel they have no chance at passing anything that would ban already purchased firearms too. I'm thinking another ban like the Clinton one. So buying a lower or two will give me one or two more "pre ban" AR's

Posted: 12/16/2012 7:33:01 AM EDT

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"I can tell you that he is going to have a bill to lead on because as a first day bill I'm going to introduce in the Senate and the same bill will be introduced in the House. A bill to ban assault weapons," Feinstein said on NBC's "Meet the Press." "It will ban the sale, the transfer, the importation and the possession. Not retroactively but prospectively. And it will ban the same for big clips, drums or strips of more than 10 bullets."

"There will be a bill. We've been working on it now for a year," Feinstein said. "We've tried to take my bill from '94 to 2004 and perfect it. We believe we have. We exempt over 900 specific weapons that will not fall under the bill. But the purpose of this bill is to get just what Mayor Bloomberg said, weapons of war, off the streets of our cities."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/politico-live/2012/12/feinstein-will-reintroduce-assault-weapons-ban-152095.html

Hopefully House Republican won't cave.

I just watched that fucking slag on MTP, fucking cunt is practically drooling . They are all of the opinion , that its a done deal.

Posted: 12/16/2012 7:35:40 AM EDT

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Anyone else now feeling bad about making fun of panic buyers? Another lower or two would make me feel better right now

Damnit, Just looked and LaRue doesnt have any on their website. It was either that or a arfcom billet I wanted!

Don't worry, if there is a ban, the 80% market for lowers will be enormous.

Posted: 12/16/2012 7:36:25 AM EDT

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Deleted Meet The Press from my DVR. Gomer from TX was very good opposite Dick Turban. He said if the principle had a firearm she would not have had to rush the killer bare handed.

Posted: 12/16/2012 7:36:45 AM EDT

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"I can tell you that he is going to have a bill to lead on because as a first day bill I'm going to introduce in the Senate and the same bill will be introduced in the House. A bill to ban assault weapons," Feinstein said on NBC's "Meet the Press." "It will ban the sale, the transfer, the importation and the possession. Not retroactively but prospectively. And it will ban the same for big clips, drums or strips of more than 10 bullets."

"There will be a bill. We've been working on it now for a year," Feinstein said. "We've tried to take my bill from '94 to 2004 and perfect it. We believe we have. We exempt over 900 specific weapons that will not fall under the bill. But the purpose of this bill is to get just what Mayor Bloomberg said, weapons of war, off the streets of our cities."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/politico-live/2012/12/feinstein-will-reintroduce-assault-weapons-ban-152095.html

Hopefully House Republican won't cave.

I just watched that fucking slag on MTP, fucking cunt is practically drooling . They are all of the opinion , that its a done deal.

They are drooling, because they have been waiting so long for an incident that can stir up this much emotional horror for them to use.

Posted: 12/16/2012 7:37:28 AM EDT

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Deleted Meet The Press from my DVR. Gomer from TX was very good opposite Dick Turban. He said if the principle had a firearm she would not have had to rush the killer bare handed.

Texas law allows schools to decide if teachers have guns or not.

Posted: 12/16/2012 7:38:01 AM EDT

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Keep writing your reps and posting in the comments section of the news stories regarding gun control..the only way we slow the swell is actively push back against it

Lot of smarts right there.

Posting a pro gun view here on Arfcom is like preaching to the choir. It accomplishes nothing.

In contrast, the "comments section" of the MSM is read by a far wider population, and it includes people who might be convinced by an argument posted. Think about it.

Posted: 12/16/2012 7:38:20 AM EDT

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Deleted Meet The Press from my DVR. Gomer from TX was very good opposite Dick Turban. He said if the principle had a firearm she would not have had to rush the killer bare handed.

Then the fuckstick turned around and agreed with banning ars. Fuck him.

Posted: 12/16/2012 7:38:55 AM EDT

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Anyone else now feeling bad about making fun of panic buyers? Another lower or two would make me feel better right now

Panic buying won't do you much good if they ban it. You might be able to hide it, but you wont be able to take it to the range. I have what I have, not feeling the need to buy more. I did buy an 870 Tactical after the election, and will buy an XDs. Pump shotguns, and low capacity handguns are probably pretty far down the gun grabbers' list for now. So if anything I am simply positioning myself in case there is a ban.

Ex post facto laws against certain guns would be unconstitutional

California is getting away with baning diesel trucks that were legally purchased.

Posted: 12/16/2012 7:39:10 AM EDT

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Anyone else now feeling bad about making fun of panic buyers? Another lower or two would make me feel better right now

Damnit, Just looked and LaRue doesnt have any on their website. It was either that or a arfcom billet I wanted!

Don't worry, if there is a ban, the 80% market for lowers will be enormous.

0% lowers are cheaper. In the past, there have been deals for special pricing on 3 or more.

Posted: 12/16/2012 7:41:07 AM EDT

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I'm a little behind on the latest developments, but I saw this on CNN.com this morning. CT Governor Malloy with Candice Crowley.

"He penetrated the building by literally shooting an entrance into the building. That's what an assault weapon can do for you," Gov. Dan Malloy told CNN's Candy Crowley.

Is this even accurate? I thought the AR was left in the car.

Source: http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/12/16/latest-updates-connecticut-school-shooting/?hpt=hp_t1

When the entrance is glass ... yes it can.

Need more safety glass either laminent or old school with wire mesh in the glass.

Posted: 12/16/2012 7:42:39 AM EDT

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ABC right now is a full on gun control fest. Today seems like the day that the
Gun control pols are attacking.

It's because it makes people feel better to do something.

Fuck it pisses me off. I can totally see a new agency, like the TSA for schools.

Posted: 12/16/2012 7:44:35 AM EDT

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Anyone else now feeling bad about making fun of panic buyers? Another lower or two would make me feel better right now

Panic buying won't do you much good if they ban it. You might be able to hide it, but you wont be able to take it to the range. I have what I have, not feeling the need to buy more. I did buy an 870 Tactical after the election, and will buy an XDs. Pump shotguns, and low capacity handguns are probably pretty far down the gun grabbers' list for now. So if anything I am simply positioning myself in case there is a ban.

Ex post facto laws against certain guns would be unconstitutional

Looks like it's time for another lesson in constitutional law. Ex post facto means they could not pass a law today that says owning a semi-auto rifle is a criminal act and make it effective 180 days ago, thereby creating a bunch of criminals out of people who were obeying the law. Ex post facto means after the fact. Passing a law that says all semi-autos are banned effective 30 days for now is not an ex post facto law since you are given time to comply and avoid criminal penalty. Whether said law would be constitutional on 2nd amendment grounds is completely different then ex pist facto ground.

Posted: 12/16/2012 7:54:45 AM EDT

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Did the Chief just say we can't cuss, discuss, nor speculate on this without committing crimes ourselves ?

Posted: 12/16/2012 7:57:42 AM EDT

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Deleted Meet The Press from my DVR. Gomer from TX was very good opposite Dick Turban. He said if the principle had a firearm she would not have had to rush the killer bare handed.

Then the fuckstick turned around and agreed with banning ars. Fuck him.

Gomer? No, he said principle should have had an M4! Don't think you heard right.

Posted: 12/16/2012 7:57:58 AM EDT

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Keep writing your reps and posting in the comments section of the news stories regarding gun control..the only way we slow the swell is actively push back against it

Lot of smarts right there.

Posting a pro gun view here on Arfcom is like preaching to the choir. It accomplishes nothing.

In contrast, the "comments section" of the MSM is read by a far wider population, and it includes people who might be convinced by an argument posted. Think about it.

Posting here, allows sharing information that can then be used in the comments section of the MSM.

Making a comment to the MSM about Constitutional Rights will convince a few, but the emotional reaction crowd will just label you as a "gun nut" and ignore you.

Politely focusing on the idiocy of their proposals, while ignoring any and all information from sources like the NRA, will take the wind out of their sails.

Examples:
1. This nut got the guns by killing the registered owner, then taking her guns. Registration was already in place and did nothing to prevent him from getting the guns. How would more strict registration and licensing laws have made any difference?

2. How would new laws make any difference, if the existing laws are rarely enforced, even when criminals are arrested with the evidence in their possession? Google "Project Exile". It was a federal program where federal prosecutors in one city were required to fully prosecute each and every gun law violation that came across their desks. They were no longer allowed to plea bargain, drop the charges as not being worth their time, or reduce the charges. The drop in violent crime surprised even the proponents of the program. Why did democrats in Congress fight so hard against even acknowledging that "Project Exile" worked? Why was it even necessary to have a program that REQUIRED federal prosecutors to do their jobs and prosecute criminals who were caught violating federal gun control laws?

Posted: 12/16/2012 7:59:10 AM EDT

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its sad that shit like this is making me want to go buy a large ass case of AR and Glock mags

Haven't seen many post yet about the action members are going to take to fight this, as opposed to generic hand-wringing and statements about stocking up.

I've already sent emails and I will call my FL Congressman & Senators on Monday AM. I also recommend (and will be contacting) the following:

Sen Min Ldr: Mitch McConnell
Min Whip: Jon Kyl
R Conf Chair: John Thune
R Policy Comm Chair: John Barrasso

Speaker: John Boehner
House Maj Ldr: Eric Cantor
Maj Whip: Kevin McCarthy
R Conf Chair: Jeb Hensarling
R Policy Comm Chair: Tom Price

Only swift, immediate and constant pressure over email and the phone lines will strengthen the backs of Republican (and some Democrat) lawmakers to resist the opportunistic onslaught.

Posted: 12/16/2012 8:00:57 AM EDT

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When they bring up the assault weapons ban tell them that Connecticut already had an assault weapons ban in place. Nothing to indicate that this gun was non-compliant, not that having a flash hider or bayonet lug would have made any difference anyway.

[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Political fall out thread from the CT school shooting (Page 24 of 29)

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