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Point to the relevant paragraph in 5200.01.

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The relevant FAM then.

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Dude, State doesn't follow FAMs any more than DoD follows its own regulations. RSOs are gonna RSO.

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There will be no ramifications for classified material breech of protocol for anybody associated with the democrats.  

When I used to be an MSG, and I was on mids, I dug through everybody's stuff looking for any type of classified material.

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You're not familiar with what Marine Embassy Guards do if you think that's a security violation.

The primary mission of an MSG is to protect classified material in our Embassies and Consulates.  

The biggest way that is done is to do security inspections at night when DoS has gone home.  Everything left in the embassy is fair game.  You check desk drawers, book shelfs, brief cases, purses, behind desks, pull out desk drawers and look behind them, check for unlocked safes (if you find one unlocked you search it and confiscate the highest level marked item), you look for combinations under desk calendars or hidden as fake phone numbers on telephone lists or written down as birthdays etc. If you find a suspected combo you start trying it on the safes in the office and if you pop one then you search the safe and confiscate the highest classification marked document.  

Once you find something you write up a security violation and confiscate the material, secure it,  and it gets logged in the Chronological log in Post 1.  It gets turned over to the DoS security officer and then it's handled from there by DoS. If it's a TS violation it gets called in to the RSO and DetCmdr immediately.

They even train you how to do searches at the school with offices and sometimes they plant simulated classified material to see how good you are searching. For real world practical application we bussed up to D.C. after hours and on a weekend and raided DoS HQ and tore that place apart. In my class we literally found over a shopping cart's worth of material both times.  

DoS employees leaving the building turned around and ran back into the building in a panic when they saw us unloading from the bus as they knew what was about to go down.

Edit: by confiscating a document you have thus proved there was a violation. You're supposed to do it without reading any of the material and only looking at classified markings.

I will caveat with I was an Embassy guard a long time ago, so things might have changed, but I suspect not too much in regards to security inspections has changed.

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Not all classified info must be stored in a SCIF. Confidential and secret may be stored in an appropriate storage container (safe) outside of a SCIF.

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I bet you're fun at parties

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What years Bucharest?

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Bangkok, Bucharest, San Jose.

I also worked in Frankfort for about a month when I was waiting on my visa to enter Romania. Instead of fucking around in the company office, the DetCmdr got me to help them out. I would hang out with Post 1 and break them for their lunch and escort chars in the Consulate and at the Annex.

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Is Sandy Berger still in prison?

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Edit: never mind, not worth arguing over when those of us that were MSGs actually were trained how to conduct our security inspections and did them the way we were trained at the time we were MSGs.

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Trump did NOT possess “classified” material.  He used his authority to declassify the materials he took to Mar a Lago.

Biden DID illegally posses classified material.  As Vice President, he did NOT have the authority to declassify such material.

The VP has similar authorities for “executive functions,” such as acting on behalf of the President.  However, that would never apply to taking classified material home, after he left office.

If Obama wants to step in an say, “Oh yeah, I remember declassifying that stuff for Joe…”

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These days, the good reasons to have paper classified documents are pretty slim. The information lives on computers, in databases, etc. To me, printing classified hints at intentional mishandling.

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I'll take the bait...

You characterized what one of the posters was doing during his security inspection as a security violation.

If an MSG is carrying out his duties in accordance with and directed by regulations for conducting security inspections, handling of unsecured classified material, and handling of unsecured storage containers, how is it "a security violation"? How is it not "taking the appropriate action"?  

If he didn't carry out those duties and/or take those appropriate actions, as prescribed by the regulations, would he not be derelict in his duties?

What was appropriate action(s) for conducting security inspections when you were an MSG or RSO?

When discovering unsecured classified material Secret or below?  Top Secret?

When discovering an unsecured storage container?

When discovering a suspected combination to a space or safe?

When discovering an unsecured space that you did not have authorized access to?

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Telling someone they are wrong for following written, established, long standing direction isn’t accurate.

As I said earlier, after hours checks are a thing. Have been for at least thirty years that I know of and many more from what I was always taught coming up through the ranks. You seem to have some quibble with the exact level of zealousness they carry out their orders with, but if people are writing down and storing combinations to safes illegally, that’s the violation, not that SGT Timmy found it.

The orders SGT Timmy is following come from his CO and ultimately all the way up the chain, probably to an instruction signed by a flag officer somewhere. Not following those orders gets him fired and kicked out of the military, so what point do you think you’re making?  You said the guy was committing a security violation and he was not doing so.

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Telling someone they are wrong for following written, established, long standing direction isn’t accurate.

As I said earlier, after hours checks are a thing. Have been for at least thirty years that I know of and many more from what I was always taught coming up through the ranks. You seem to have some quibble with the exact level of zealousness they carry out their orders with, but if people are writing down and storing combinations to safes illegally, that’s the violation, not that SGT Timmy found it.

The orders SGT Timmy is following come from his CO and ultimately all the way up the chain, probably to an instruction signed by a flag officer somewhere. Not following those orders gets him fired and kicked out of the military, so what point do you think you’re making?  You said the guy was committing a security violation and he was not doing so.

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I have never seen Confidential stuff.

It is pretty much unused.

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I have.  Loads of it.  Even authored quite a bit of it.  CASREPS and ship schedules are almost all Confidential for instance.  Ships have Confidential pubs on the bridge that are used every watch.

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You're not familiar with what Marine Embassy Guards do if you think that's a security violation.

The primary mission of an MSG is to protect classified material in our Embassies and Consulates.  

The biggest way that is done is to do security inspections at night when DoS has gone home.  Everything left in the embassy is fair game.  You check desk drawers, book shelfs, brief cases, purses, behind desks, pull out desk drawers and look behind them, check for unlocked safes (if you find one unlocked you search it and confiscate the highest level marked item), you look for combinations under desk calendars or hidden as fake phone numbers on telephone lists or written down as birthdays etc. If you find a suspected combo you start trying it on the safes in the office and if you pop one then you search the safe and confiscate the highest classification marked document.  

Once you find something you write up a security violation and confiscate the material, secure it,  and it gets logged in the Chronological log in Post 1.  It gets turned over to the DoS security officer and then it's handled from there by DoS. If it's a TS violation it gets called in to the RSO and DetCmdr immediately.

They even train you how to do searches at the school with offices and sometimes they plant simulated classified material to see how good you are searching. For real world practical application we bussed up to D.C. after hours and on a weekend and raided DoS HQ and tore that place apart. In my class we literally found over a shopping cart's worth of material both times.  

DoS employees leaving the building turned around and ran back into the building in a panic when they saw us unloading from the bus as they knew what was about to go down.

Edit: by confiscating a document you have thus proved there was a violation. You're supposed to do it without reading any of the material and only looking at classified markings.

I will caveat with I was an Embassy guard a long time ago, so things might have changed, but I suspect not too much in regards to security inspections has changed.

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Is Sandy Berger still in prison?

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That actually sounds like a pretty fun job.

For the first couple months, anyway.