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Quoted: So he's going to get the ATF to reclassify 80%s as firearms and braced pistols as SBRs? Good thing there's no precedent for the ATF being directed by the executive branch to make arbitrary reclassifications. View Quote Yep...I told people, even though I did not own one of the aforementioned reclassified items....It was bigger than you could imagine, once the tables the tables were turned. I do not own a brace either..So I could care less if the ones that lose them are the same ones that ignored the Bumpski ban.. Biden cannot do any real damage unilaterally.. I am not scared yet..But I am panicking,LOL |
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Quoted: No,Trump wasn't the first Republican to fuck us over. He was the first to play up the 2nd Amendment and pander the shit out of us and form a 2nd Amendment Coalition headed by his pro gun son though. I can't think of any other Republican on my lifetime that pushed the 2nd so hard. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Congress and constitution don’t matter? Go fuck yourself. And fuck Trump too for the bump stock ban. Fuck all these politicians. I just LOVE to read posts by the young and ignorant. Trump WAS NOT the first president to tell the ATF to arbitrary classify some sort of firearm or accessory in a new manner. When Clinton was in power, he instructed Lloyd Bentsen, then Sec. of the Treasury (in charge of ATF at the time), to reclassify the "Streetsweeper" shotgun and similar as Destructive Devices under the NFA. In other words, this sort of dictatorial approach has been around for FAR longer than D. Trump. No,Trump wasn't the first Republican to fuck us over. He was the first to play up the 2nd Amendment and pander the shit out of us and form a 2nd Amendment Coalition headed by his pro gun son though. I can't think of any other Republican on my lifetime that pushed the 2nd so hard. It does not make ANY difference if Trump kissed the 2A in the BOR. The fact is, OTHER POTUS have done some snaky shit related to firearms rights, and blaming Trump for what Biden may do very shortly is imbecilic Get over the Trump error. It was stupid, and backstabbing, but in the long run, it means NOTHING to what will happen with Biden and his handlers. Quit being stupid and trying to suggest that if Trump hadn't allowed the ban on bumpstocks, that what Biden might be planning to do would have been impossible. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Lol, gun control isn't about stopping crime, just like it isn't about saving lives, the children, or any other nonsense. It's about saving lives. Politicians lives. They can't go 100%commie send them to the gulags until they get our guns. They don't even fear being voted out, and some of you think they are worried about the guns? https://www.lewrockwell.com/2004/10/jeff-snyder/walter-mittys-second-amendment/ A snippet: In that fruitful land, the state took about 50 percent of everything the people earned through numerous forms of taxation, up from about 25 percent only a generation earlier. However, this boastful people, who believed themselves to be the freest on earth, retained the right to keep and bear arms. Tens of millions of them possessed firearms – just in case their government became tyrannical and enslaved them. In that land, an astronomical number of regulations, filling more than 96,000 pages in the government’s “code of regulations,” were promulgated by persons who were not elected by the people. The regulators often developed close relationships with the businesses they regulated, and work in “agencies” that had the power both to make law – and to enforce it. The agencies were not established by the government’s constitution, and their existence violated that instrument’s principle of separation of powers. Yet the people retained the right to keep and bear arms. Just in case their government, some day, ceased to be a “government of the people.” |
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Quoted: Executive Action or Executive Order? Executive Actions Versus Executive Orders Executive actions are any informal proposals or moves by the president. The term executive action itself is vague and can be used to describe almost anything the president calls on Congress or his administration to do. But many executive actions carry no legal weight. Those that do actually set policy can be invalidated by the courts or undone by legislation passed by Congress. The terms executive action and executive order are not interchangeable. Executive orders are legally binding and published in the Federal Register, though they also can be reversed by the courts and Congress. A good way to think of executive actions is a wish list of policies the president would like to see enacted. Link View Quote Exactly..Nothing to really see here yet..As long as the Filibuster remains intact..And it will Nothing to get upset about. |
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Quoted: Executive Action or Executive Order? Executive Actions Versus Executive Orders Executive actions are any informal proposals or moves by the president. The term executive action itself is vague and can be used to describe almost anything the president calls on Congress or his administration to do. But many executive actions carry no legal weight. Those that do actually set policy can be invalidated by the courts or undone by legislation passed by Congress. The terms executive action and executive order are not interchangeable. Executive orders are legally binding and published in the Federal Register, though they also can be reversed by the courts and Congress. A good way to think of executive actions is a wish list of policies the president would like to see enacted. Link View Quote Yup, this looks like "Actions". We will see what tomorrow brings...but for now, it appears to be virtue signaling. Still, we don't want him telling the DOJ to "re-interpret" the law. |
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Quoted: It does not make ANY difference if Trump kissed the 2A in the BOR. The fact is, OTHER POTUS have done some snaky shit related to firearms rights, and blaming Trump for what Biden may do very shortly is imbecilic Get over the Trump error. It was stupid, and backstabbing, but in the long run, it means NOTHING to what will happen with Biden and his handlers. Quit being stupid and trying to suggest that if Trump hadn't allowed the ban on bumpstocks, that what Biden might be planning to do would have been impossible. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Congress and constitution don’t matter? Go fuck yourself. And fuck Trump too for the bump stock ban. Fuck all these politicians. I just LOVE to read posts by the young and ignorant. Trump WAS NOT the first president to tell the ATF to arbitrary classify some sort of firearm or accessory in a new manner. When Clinton was in power, he instructed Lloyd Bentsen, then Sec. of the Treasury (in charge of ATF at the time), to reclassify the "Streetsweeper" shotgun and similar as Destructive Devices under the NFA. In other words, this sort of dictatorial approach has been around for FAR longer than D. Trump. No,Trump wasn't the first Republican to fuck us over. He was the first to play up the 2nd Amendment and pander the shit out of us and form a 2nd Amendment Coalition headed by his pro gun son though. I can't think of any other Republican on my lifetime that pushed the 2nd so hard. It does not make ANY difference if Trump kissed the 2A in the BOR. The fact is, OTHER POTUS have done some snaky shit related to firearms rights, and blaming Trump for what Biden may do very shortly is imbecilic Get over the Trump error. It was stupid, and backstabbing, but in the long run, it means NOTHING to what will happen with Biden and his handlers. Quit being stupid and trying to suggest that if Trump hadn't allowed the ban on bumpstocks, that what Biden might be planning to do would have been impossible. You don't see the hypocrisy? Trump made himself out to be the 2nd coming on the 2nd, and when he fucked us over (500K+ gun owners), anyone bitching about it got dogpiled. But now biden pulling the same shit is somehow different. biden is a piece of shit that didn't run on doing great things for the 2nd, and having a 2nd Amendment Coalition to advise him either. |
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Quoted: "Concealable assault-style firearms" - defined Four House Democrats sent a letter to President Biden asking him to take executive action to regulate concealable assault-style firearms, like the weapon used in the recent shooting in Boulder, Colorado, which killed 10 people... "Concealable assault-style firearms that fire rifle rounds pose an unreasonable threat to our communities and should be fully regulated under the National Firearms Act consistent with the intent and history of the law. The recent tragedy in Boulder, Colorado where 10 people including a police officer were killed is one in a string of deadly incidents involving this style of weapon," the letter to Mr. Biden said. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-gun-control-executive-action-house-democrats/ View Quote Cracks me up. Is there a legal definition of rifle round vs handgun round? |
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Quoted: Who will make the most of my money in fighting this shit? Pretty sure it is NOT the NRA. I've donated to Firearms Policy Coalition, but I'm pretty tired of them EVERY FUCKING DAY asking for more money with their hair-on-fire, hysterical emails. Who shall get my FJB money? Rob View Quote Send it to me and I will assure everything turns out just fine for you,LOL |
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would it generally be frowned upon if i said Biden can lick the sweat off my ballbag after a hard day of work in an abnormally hot July?
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I remember when Obama came out with 12 or so Executive Actions on gun control, and they were all feel good nonsense. Nothing was banned. We’ll see what happens tomorrow.
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Quoted: What gun violence? The violence that happens in Chicago by gang bangers or the non violence by the majority of gun owners, or the violence that the alphabet agencies set up? View Quote Does that seem odd? |
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Quoted: You don't see the hypocrisy? Trump made himself out to be the 2nd coming on the 2nd, and when he fucked us over (500K+ gun owners), anyone bitching about it got dogpiled. But now biden pulling the same shit is somehow different. biden is a piece of shit that didn't run on doing great things for the 2nd, and having a 2nd Amendment Coalition to advise him either. View Quote I don't care WHAT Trump did now. It's ancient history. And only a moron would focus on what Trump did and suggest that it lays the ground work for what Biden will do. We need to keep our eye on the ball, so to speak. Hand wringing over what Trump did is an exercise in mental masturbation,. |
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Quoted: Is my mini 14 with a folding stock about to make me rich? View Quote It might, mini14s bring big bucks now. I sold a plain, wood stocked pre 2005 ranch rifle on gunbroker a couple of months ago for $1,250. ETA: To the OP and others, please do not refer to dick breath biden as "President" .They stole the election and he does not deserve it. |
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Gun control will be the thing to destroy the Republican party once and for all.
Once the 2A is completely irrelevant, there will no longer be ANY reason to vote R. Good. They did it to themselves. And every single cunt R president in my lifetime could have easily dis what pedo joe did and repealed the EOs before them. None did. Not a single one. Fuck the Republican party. |
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View Quote Same. |
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Quoted: You don't see the hypocrisy? Trump made himself out to be the 2nd coming on the 2nd, and when he fucked us over (500K+ gun owners), anyone bitching about it got dogpiled. But now biden pulling the same shit is somehow different. biden is a piece of shit that didn't run on doing great things for the 2nd, and having a 2nd Amendment Coalition to advise him either. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Congress and constitution don’t matter? Go fuck yourself. And fuck Trump too for the bump stock ban. Fuck all these politicians. I just LOVE to read posts by the young and ignorant. Trump WAS NOT the first president to tell the ATF to arbitrary classify some sort of firearm or accessory in a new manner. When Clinton was in power, he instructed Lloyd Bentsen, then Sec. of the Treasury (in charge of ATF at the time), to reclassify the "Streetsweeper" shotgun and similar as Destructive Devices under the NFA. In other words, this sort of dictatorial approach has been around for FAR longer than D. Trump. No,Trump wasn't the first Republican to fuck us over. He was the first to play up the 2nd Amendment and pander the shit out of us and form a 2nd Amendment Coalition headed by his pro gun son though. I can't think of any other Republican on my lifetime that pushed the 2nd so hard. It does not make ANY difference if Trump kissed the 2A in the BOR. The fact is, OTHER POTUS have done some snaky shit related to firearms rights, and blaming Trump for what Biden may do very shortly is imbecilic Get over the Trump error. It was stupid, and backstabbing, but in the long run, it means NOTHING to what will happen with Biden and his handlers. Quit being stupid and trying to suggest that if Trump hadn't allowed the ban on bumpstocks, that what Biden might be planning to do would have been impossible. You don't see the hypocrisy? Trump made himself out to be the 2nd coming on the 2nd, and when he fucked us over (500K+ gun owners), anyone bitching about it got dogpiled. But now biden pulling the same shit is somehow different. biden is a piece of shit that didn't run on doing great things for the 2nd, and having a 2nd Amendment Coalition to advise him either. I don’t remember very many people at all on arfcom who thought that Trump’s folly on bumpstocks and red flag laws was anything other than awful. The few that were indifferent were chastised and in large part chased out (or got themselves banned). This idea that Trump was given a pass on his 2A shortcomings by people in this site is pretty baseless, IMO, to the point of being a strawman. Of course people advocated for his re-election despite his failures to protect or advance the second amendment, because his challenger was the man who is pressing the very crackdowns this thread is about. To wit, I’m not sure what your point is in posting the same thing for 8 pages now. It’s not particularly useful. |
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https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/07/biden-executive-actions-guns-479704 Biden will direct the administration to begin the process of requiring buyers of so-called ghost guns homemade or makeshift firearms that lack serial numbers to undergo background checks, according to three people who have spoken to the White House about the plans. He is expected to be joined at the event by Attorney General Merrick Garland. Other executive actions remain unclear. But stakeholders have speculated that the president could announce regulations on concealed assault-style firearms; prohibitions on firearm purchases for those convicted of domestic violence against their partners; and federal guidance on home storage safety measures. More than 100 House Democrats wrote to Biden last week, urging him to take action on the concealed assault-style firearms, which is similar to the one used in the Colorado shooting in which 10 people were killed. One other announcement Biden could make on Thursday is the introduction of his nominee to be the director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, who will play a key role in any executive branch action on guns. His nominee could be tough to get through a Senate split 50-50 between Republicans and Democrats. The ATF has had mostly acting directors since the position became Senate-confirmed. Todd Jones was confirmed as ATF director in 2013 after a years-long stint as acting director. View Quote Reclassifying AR and AK pistols as something else, sbrs maybe, sounds like usual BATF bump stock style shenanigans. I don't know how he adds DV convictions into prohibited persons through an EO Safe storage sounds like a non starter |
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Quoted: How does the atf force background checks for 80% receivers? Redefine what a receiver is? Reclassifying AR and AK pistols as something else, sbrs maybe, sounds like usual BATF bump stock style shenanigans. I don't know how he adds DV convictions into prohibited persons through an EO Safe storage sounds like a non starter View Quote Hasn't this already been a thing for years? |
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Quoted: How does the atf force background checks for 80% receivers? Redefine what a receiver is? Reclassifying AR and AK pistols as something else, sbrs maybe, sounds like usual BATF bump stock style shenanigans. I don't know how he adds DV convictions into prohibited persons through an EO Safe storage sounds like a non starter View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted:
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/07/biden-executive-actions-guns-479704 Biden will direct the administration to begin the process of requiring buyers of so-called ghost guns homemade or makeshift firearms that lack serial numbers to undergo background checks, according to three people who have spoken to the White House about the plans. He is expected to be joined at the event by Attorney General Merrick Garland. Other executive actions remain unclear. But stakeholders have speculated that the president could announce regulations on concealed assault-style firearms; prohibitions on firearm purchases for those convicted of domestic violence against their partners; and federal guidance on home storage safety measures. More than 100 House Democrats wrote to Biden last week, urging him to take action on the concealed assault-style firearms, which is similar to the one used in the Colorado shooting in which 10 people were killed. One other announcement Biden could make on Thursday is the introduction of his nominee to be the director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, who will play a key role in any executive branch action on guns. His nominee could be tough to get through a Senate split 50-50 between Republicans and Democrats. The ATF has had mostly acting directors since the position became Senate-confirmed. Todd Jones was confirmed as ATF director in 2013 after a years-long stint as acting director. Reclassifying AR and AK pistols as something else, sbrs maybe, sounds like usual BATF bump stock style shenanigans. I don't know how he adds DV convictions into prohibited persons through an EO Safe storage sounds like a non starter |
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Fuck that! This clown needs to eat a covid infested bag of cocks! This country is doomed, hopefully folks will start waking up!
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Quoted: A recent Full Court of Appeals threw out the ATF’s reclassification of bumpstocks as machine guns, so yes there is recourse. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Nobody is changing law....or US Code......they don't have to ...... The law allows the USDOJ to interpret what constitutes an NFA firearm ....no legislation required, or recourse for that matter A recent Full Court of Appeals threw out the ATF’s reclassification of bumpstocks as machine guns, so yes there is recourse. Great news. Can you post a link where I can buy one today? |
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Quoted: I don’t remember very many people at all on arfcom who thought that Trump’s folly on bumpstocks and red flag laws was anything other than awful. The few that were indifferent were chastised and in large part chased out (or got themselves banned). This idea that Trump was given a pass on his 2A shortcomings by people in this site is pretty baseless, IMO, to the point of being a strawman. Of course people advocated for his re-election despite his failures to protect or advance the second amendment, because his challenger was the man who is pressing the very crackdowns this thread is about. To wit, I’m not sure what your point is in posting the same thing for 8 pages now. It’s not particularly useful. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Congress and constitution don’t matter? Go fuck yourself. And fuck Trump too for the bump stock ban. Fuck all these politicians. I just LOVE to read posts by the young and ignorant. Trump WAS NOT the first president to tell the ATF to arbitrary classify some sort of firearm or accessory in a new manner. When Clinton was in power, he instructed Lloyd Bentsen, then Sec. of the Treasury (in charge of ATF at the time), to reclassify the "Streetsweeper" shotgun and similar as Destructive Devices under the NFA. In other words, this sort of dictatorial approach has been around for FAR longer than D. Trump. No,Trump wasn't the first Republican to fuck us over. He was the first to play up the 2nd Amendment and pander the shit out of us and form a 2nd Amendment Coalition headed by his pro gun son though. I can't think of any other Republican on my lifetime that pushed the 2nd so hard. It does not make ANY difference if Trump kissed the 2A in the BOR. The fact is, OTHER POTUS have done some snaky shit related to firearms rights, and blaming Trump for what Biden may do very shortly is imbecilic Get over the Trump error. It was stupid, and backstabbing, but in the long run, it means NOTHING to what will happen with Biden and his handlers. Quit being stupid and trying to suggest that if Trump hadn't allowed the ban on bumpstocks, that what Biden might be planning to do would have been impossible. You don't see the hypocrisy? Trump made himself out to be the 2nd coming on the 2nd, and when he fucked us over (500K+ gun owners), anyone bitching about it got dogpiled. But now biden pulling the same shit is somehow different. biden is a piece of shit that didn't run on doing great things for the 2nd, and having a 2nd Amendment Coalition to advise him either. I don’t remember very many people at all on arfcom who thought that Trump’s folly on bumpstocks and red flag laws was anything other than awful. The few that were indifferent were chastised and in large part chased out (or got themselves banned). This idea that Trump was given a pass on his 2A shortcomings by people in this site is pretty baseless, IMO, to the point of being a strawman. Of course people advocated for his re-election despite his failures to protect or advance the second amendment, because his challenger was the man who is pressing the very crackdowns this thread is about. To wit, I’m not sure what your point is in posting the same thing for 8 pages now. It’s not particularly useful. I think you missed a lot of discussions then. Anyone who pointed out Trump's colossal 2a fuckups were repeatedly shouted down by the 4d chess crowd. |
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so, after tomorrow, no more sales of 80% lowers? AR-15 80% lowers, AR-10 80% lowers, Glock clone 80% kits? Jigs?
if so, the vendors must be unloading like crazy, all inventory has got to go. |
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Quoted: Or more properly, restructured for the purpose for which it was created. It's a tax collection agency, originally chartered to collect federal excise taxes on alcohol, then tobacco, then firearms, then explosives. At its core, it still is. Taxing that shit has never been illegal, much less unconstitutional, but they've just morphed over time into something they were never intended to be, and like most federal agencies its ate up with counter-productive political animals and incompetent leadership and people with badges for the wrong damned reasons. View Quote Taxing gun ownership: ok Taxes on voting: not ok |
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Biden in 2013: The problem is not assault weapons, but Glocks and magazines.
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It's official, they're coming for braces.
May as well buy some stocks. In for a penny, in for a pound. |
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Quoted: I think you missed a lot of discussions then. Anyone who pointed out Trump's colossal 2a fuckups were repeatedly shouted down by the 4d chess crowd. View Quote I must have. It pissed me off back then too. Hearing him say “...due process later” on the radio on the drive home from work was a gut-wrencher |
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IIRC isn't Biden's ATF nominee a former Gabby Gifford's gun control org??? He will be worse then Biden.
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https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/547058-biden-to-announce-executive-action-on-ghost-guns-red-flag-laws
The DOJ within 30 days will issue a proposed rule to help stop the proliferation of ghost guns. Ghost guns are untraceable when they turn up at crime scenes because they don’t have serial numbers. ... Within 60 days, the DOJ will publish model red flag legislation for states. Red flag laws would allow police or family members to petition courts to temporarily remove firearms from people in crisis. ... The DOJ, also within 60 days, will issue a proposed rule to make clear that when a stabilizing device effectively turns a pistol into a short barreled rifle, that firearm is subject to the requirement of the National Firearms Act. The alleged shooter in Boulder used a pistol with an arm brace, which makes a firearm more stable and accurate. View Quote |
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Quoted: How does the atf force background checks for 80% receivers? Redefine what a receiver is? Reclassifying AR and AK pistols as something else, sbrs maybe, sounds like usual BATF bump stock style shenanigans. I don't know how he adds DV convictions into prohibited persons through an EO Safe storage sounds like a non starter View Quote Your first one is easy. They act as if each and every "80%" seller or maker were making/selling actual firearms. Basically, they use the Federal government as a hammer to maliciously prosecute them until they stop. Pretty standard for the ATF. Someone makes one that's even less finished than the ones currently being sold. It flies under the radar for a little while. Then the ATF goes after that one, too. Rinse and repeat in ever increasing amounts until the ATF is treating 0% forgings plus literally any amount of work as firearms. |
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Is 22lr a rifle round? LONG Riffffflllllleeee?
.22 pistols banned? |
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Quoted: Your first one is easy. They act as if each and every "80%" seller or maker were making/selling actual firearms. Basically, they use the Federal government as a hammer to maliciously prosecute them until they stop. Pretty standard for the ATF. Someone makes one that's even less finished than the ones currently being sold. It flies under the radar for a little while. Then the ATF goes after that one, too. Rinse and repeat in ever increasing amounts until the ATF is treating 0% forgings plus literally any amount of work as firearms. View Quote Even easier is to define more parts as a "firearm" like upper receivers, bolts and barrels and require they be serialized. |
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