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Posted: 3/14/2011 1:25:40 PM EDT
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I've been thinking about getting one of these to throw in the BOB or to take camping for taking very small game (squirrels, snakes, etc). Now I know the accuracy isn't good out of such a small gun with a really short barrel, but is it good enough for something like that? Honestly, I believe the short sight radius would make it difficult to hit a squirrel or rabbit with one. Snake loads, using birdshot, are available and would be good for snakes. How was the accuracy other the sights? 'Cause they have a itty-bitty laser on their website. In all honesty, "How is the accuracy" is a very subjective question. 
It would be pitiful at 25 yards, but who would use such a piece at those ranges? I think this is a "belly gun", as we used to call them down here. It is meant to be used at almost contact ranges. And at those close ranges, the accuracy would be just fine. |
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Posted: 3/14/2011 1:28:00 PM EDT
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I noticed that none of the HP ammunition expanded, I am sure this is because of the low velocity of the rounds out of the revolvers, but I have always doubted that .22lr hollow points perform any better than regular ammo. I would love to see a test of this. I have noticed that many seem to recomend hollow points whenever somone asked about hunting ammo for .22LR. The reason for that is that out of a rifle barrel, .22s will usually have enough velocity to expand. Not so in short pistol barrels. This is what I figured, that the velocity was not enough to expand out of a pistol. Do .22lr HP really perform better than regular ammo out of a rifle? Yes sir, they do. When varmint hunting, we notice a much bigger and better hole from hollow points. But it takes the velocity of a longer barrel to get those results. |
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Posted: 3/14/2011 1:28:45 PM EDT
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Oh, and for those of you have one... http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/HardShell/RWB%20-%20General%20Firearm-Related/NAAMini-22accessories.jpg 
(They had these on display/for sale at the NRA AM Exhibits last year.) Now I REALLY want one. |
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Posted: 3/14/2011 1:31:40 PM EDT
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I knew an airline pilot who carried two of these in .22LR at all times. He used to do drills with them and did quite well. This was pre-9/11.
I live in MD and they're not on the approved list... 
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Posted: 3/14/2011 1:50:36 PM EDT
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The pistols are very small, and easy to conceal. My lovely wife has small hands, yet this pistol fits in her hand easily. http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=27469 I'm a bit confused by this photo. The ring finger is longer than the index finger, I presume that is O_P's hand? What is wrong with that? I have never noticed before but just checked. Both my ring fingers are slightly longer than my index fingers. Huh. |
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Posted: 3/14/2011 1:55:21 PM EDT
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Had one in .22 LR and loved it. I even checkered the back strap in 30LPI. It's a deep, deep BUG but a gun nonetheless. Ended up giving it to a LE buddy of mine along with the kydex sheath for hanging around your neck.
Thread got me thinking...Time to get another one..... |
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Posted: 3/14/2011 2:01:51 PM EDT
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Had one in .22 LR and loved it. I even checkered the back strap in 30LPI. It's a deep, deep BUG but a gun nonetheless. Ended up giving it to a LE buddy of mine along with the kydex sheath for hanging around your neck. Thread got me thinking...Time to get another one..... Well there you go.
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Posted: 3/14/2011 2:07:21 PM EDT
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I've got the 22LR one. I used to have the belt buckle holster. I always viewed it as a "contact" weapon, to stick in a belly, under the chin, or an ear and buy me time to get away.
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Posted: 3/14/2011 2:22:33 PM EDT
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I've got the 22LR one. I used to have the belt buckle holster. I always viewed it as a "contact" weapon, to stick in a belly, under the chin, or an ear and buy me time to get away. That's how I see them also. 
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Posted: 3/14/2011 2:33:37 PM EDT
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Even this would have made me feel better when I was walking around South Africa.
The only time I really needed a gun when I was there this would have been perfect to just shove into a neck. |
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Posted: 3/14/2011 2:47:46 PM EDT
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I understand the need for a small gun. With the crop of pocket sized .380s available, I just don't see that this one would be any easier to carry. That pretty much covers it. |
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Posted: 3/14/2011 2:54:58 PM EDT
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I'm glad you did a write up on these O_P, I have never shot one and have always been curious about these revolvers.
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Posted: 3/14/2011 2:55:22 PM EDT
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I'm glad you did a write up on these O_P, I have never shot one and have always been curious about these revolvers.
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Posted: 3/14/2011 3:01:07 PM EDT
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I have a friend who is a real gun nut who insists on carrying one with the folding holster/grip, of a summer time. It gives me something to bust his chops about  If you were a real friend, you'd adapt an old M4 collapsible into a shoulder stock for him. |
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Posted: 3/14/2011 3:04:45 PM EDT
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If Texas passes this open carry law, I'd consider wearing one of the belt buckle pistols for the fun of it.
http://www.gsg5rifle.com/DisplayPic.aspx?PIC=8787 http://www.thegunsource.com/DisplayPic.aspx?PIC=19768 http://www.fivesevenammo.com/shop/media/NAAPushButton.jpg |
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Posted: 3/14/2011 3:18:37 PM EDT
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As always O_P, good post. I've always thought it would be fun to have one of those ones they have as a belt buckle, but it wouldn't fly where I live.
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Posted: 3/14/2011 3:28:17 PM EDT
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I'm glad you did a write up on these O_P, I have never shot one and have always been curious about these revolvers. Thanks! I was curious about them too. We both learned something.
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Posted: 3/14/2011 3:53:18 PM EDT
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painless, I'd really like to see some more rounds tested, like the FMJ .22 LR stinger, and FMJ WMR, those few extra grains that you get could increase penetration.
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Posted: 3/14/2011 4:29:41 PM EDT
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painless, I'd really like to see some more rounds tested, like the FMJ .22 LR stinger, and FMJ WMR, those few extra grains that you get could increase penetration. I know what you mean. But if I tested a dozen different rounds, there would still be dozens we would want to test. And, the pistols are going to be on their way back to the factory.
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Posted: 3/14/2011 4:33:43 PM EDT
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I don't regret buying mine. |
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Posted: 3/14/2011 4:35:22 PM EDT
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painless, I'd really like to see some more rounds tested, like the FMJ .22 LR stinger, and FMJ WMR, those few extra grains that you get could increase penetration. I know what you mean. But if I tested a dozen different rounds, there would still be dozens we would want to test. And, the pistols are going to on their way back to the factory.
all I'm asking for is just a few more FMJ rounds as you used mostly HP's which turned out to be pretty useless. What If I said please? or Ni? |
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Posted: 3/14/2011 4:35:51 PM EDT
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I've always thought they were neat little guns,I just have no real use for one...yet anyhow.
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Posted: 3/14/2011 4:50:28 PM EDT
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Good post. Mine is amongst my all time favorites.
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Posted: 3/14/2011 4:53:10 PM EDT
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I had a .22 lr version with the short barrel. I could pound on a pop can at 7 yds no problem. It took a little extra effort to aim carefully. I miss that little thing!
I might have to look into the scholfield looking versions! |
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Posted: 3/14/2011 4:55:59 PM EDT
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Did they let you keep them??
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Posted: 3/14/2011 4:58:59 PM EDT
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Oh, and for those of you have one... http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/HardShell/RWB%20-%20General%20Firearm-Related/NAAMini-22accessories.jpg
(They had these on display/for sale at the NRA AM Exhibits last year.) I had to have one of the 22 mag NAAs a few years back. I actually ordered one of those lasers for the top strap last year. I think it took me (literally) 3 weeks of carrying the thing around in a front pocket on my cargo shorts to break the laser. They warrantied the laser and sent me a new one in the pack......that I never opened. I have also tried the big black pocket clip grip thing, which makes the little pocket pistol huge. Bottom line, all the shit they sell to hang on these little pistols are a waste of money. |
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Posted: 3/14/2011 5:00:30 PM EDT
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painless, I'd really like to see some more rounds tested, like the FMJ .22 LR stinger, and FMJ WMR, those few extra grains that you get could increase penetration. I know what you mean. But if I tested a dozen different rounds, there would still be dozens we would want to test. And, the pistols are going to on their way back to the factory.
all I'm asking for is just a few more FMJ rounds as you used mostly HP's which turned out to be pretty useless. What If I said please? or Ni? I appreciate the kind request. However, almost no one appreciates the amount of trouble it is to load up the Waterbox, the saw horses, the guns and ammo, go by Wal Mart and pick up 20 gallons of water, haul it all to the range, do the shoot, and then have to haul it all back and store it until next time.
The first round I shot was a standard "High Velocity Round Nose" .22 Long Rifle. I bet other brands would be very similar in performance. |
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Posted: 3/14/2011 5:01:53 PM EDT
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Did they let you keep them?? Don't I wish. 
They were only "loaned" to me and will be shipped back to the factory in a day or two. |
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Posted: 3/14/2011 5:10:24 PM EDT
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Thanks Old_Painless –– Great info and a thorough review as always!
So how was shooting/getting a grip on these w/ your "big manly" hands? Been eye-balling these for quite some time and guess a little NAA .22 might be on the "want/need" list now. |
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Posted: 3/14/2011 5:15:07 PM EDT
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I'm glad you did the write up! I think that I may need to pick one of these up for a jogging gun.
Thanks O_P, another great write-up as usual. |
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Posted: 3/14/2011 5:15:38 PM EDT
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That top-break one has me intrigued.
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Posted: 3/14/2011 5:15:39 PM EDT
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Thanks Old_Painless –– Great info and a thorough review as always!
So how was shooting/getting a grip on these w/ your "big manly" hands? Been eye-balling these for quite some time and guess a little NAA .22 might be on the "want/need" list now. In the photo, you can see that I "two handed" them for accurate shooting. But there isn't much of a grip to hold on to. But like many things about these pistols, you give up a few things, like a nice big grip, for the sake of size and concealment. Pick one up at a gun store or gun show and see how it feels to you.
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Posted: 3/14/2011 5:26:17 PM EDT
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That top-break one has me intrigued. Be aware that that model is presently only being made as a "Limited Run", and they do not presently have plans for offering it as a standard model. It may be hard to find one.
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Posted: 3/14/2011 5:33:12 PM EDT
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I have one and it the grip is scratching/rubbing the frame
but it's still cool 
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Posted: 3/14/2011 5:42:42 PM EDT
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I'm glad you did the write up! I think that I may need to pick one of these up for a jogging gun.
Thanks O_P, another great write-up as usual. Thanks. It seems these are more popular than I knew.
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Posted: 3/14/2011 5:49:30 PM EDT
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I've shot several, and own the 1 1/8" .22 Mag. I was always amazed at the accuracy I got out these little pipsqueaks, especially considering the lack of a rear sight. Thanks for the writeup, O_P.
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Posted: 3/14/2011 5:57:15 PM EDT
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Everytime I see one of these in a gunshop display case or at a show I kinda want
....then talk myself out of it & spend my $$$ on something else more practicle. I might actually get one now, probably the .22short version if only because it's just so cute 
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Posted: 3/14/2011 5:58:57 PM EDT
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That top-break one has me intrigued. Be aware that that model is presently only being made as a "Limited Run", and they do not presently have plans for offering it as a standard model. It may be hard to find one.
Damn.
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Posted: 3/14/2011 6:10:32 PM EDT
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I have one and it the grip is scratching/rubbing the frame
but it's still cool http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx54/dan8152/IMG_1531.jpg?t=1300152733 http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx54/dan8152/IMG_1530.jpg?t=1300152806 I believe they have a new, smaller grip for that model that you might be interested in.
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Posted: 3/14/2011 6:28:14 PM EDT
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I've shot several, and own the 1 1/8" .22 Mag. I was always amazed at the accuracy I got out these little pipsqueaks, especially considering the lack of a rear sight. Thanks for the writeup, O_P. I bet in a Ransom Rest, they would be quite accurate. |
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Posted: 3/14/2011 6:33:41 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: painless, I'd really like to see some more rounds tested, like the FMJ .22 LR stinger, and FMJ WMR, those few extra grains that you get could increase penetration. I know what you mean. But if I tested a dozen different rounds, there would still be dozens we would want to test. And, the pistols are going to on their way back to the factory. all I'm asking for is just a few more FMJ rounds as you used mostly HP's which turned out to be pretty useless. What If I said please? or Ni? I appreciate the kind request. However, almost no one appreciates the amount of trouble it is to load up the Waterbox, the saw horses, the guns and ammo, go by Wal Mart and pick up 20 gallons of water, haul it all to the range, do the shoot, and then have to haul it all back and store it until next time. The first round I shot was a standard "High Velocity Round Nose" .22 Long Rifle. I bet other brands would be very similar in performance. My range is a couple hundred yards away and it's a pain to load everything up for that... |
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Posted: 3/14/2011 6:45:27 PM EDT
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Thanks Old_Painless ––... In the photo, you can see that I "two handed" them for accurate shooting. But there isn't much of a grip to hold on to. But like many things about these pistols, you give up a few things Reason for the question was I saw your "two hand" and was wondering about fingers near/around the cylinder... Yep, ain't no .460, .454, whatever but wondered if you "felt" any blowout/blowdown from being that close to the cylinder front? I've "handled" a few of the NAA's and totally understand your belly-gun comment.
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Posted: 3/14/2011 7:02:56 PM EDT
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I can't visualize how you get the firing pin into the grooves. How is the timing interrupted for such a task? If you are cocked, the hammer would lineup with a round. If you decide to decock, the hammer would go down on the round. How do you get it halfway again?
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Posted: 3/14/2011 7:06:41 PM EDT
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Quoted: I can't visualize how you get the firing pin into the grooves. How is the timing interrupted for such a task? If you are cocked, the hammer would lineup with a round. If you decide to decock, the hammer would go down on the round. How do you get it halfway again? Pull the hammer back slightly and rotate the cylinder to the half way notch and lower the hammer into it. |
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Posted: 3/14/2011 7:12:44 PM EDT
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Quoted: I can't visualize how you get the firing pin into the grooves. How is the timing interrupted for such a task? If you are cocked, the hammer would lineup with a round. If you decide to decock, the hammer would go down on the round. How do you get it halfway again? This is a single action revolver. By pulling the hammer back partway you can spin the cylinder freely. You line the notch up for the hammer to fall into and manually lower the hammer into place. You are not pulling the hammer all the way back because at that point the single action setup is going to line the hammer up to hit the rim of the rimfire round. You basically are manually lining up the cylinder while holding the hammer at half cock and then lower the hammer into place. At least that is my understanding of these specific single actions. I don't own one but for the right price I always figured one might follow me home. The fullsize ccw goes about everywhere. The snubby revolver goes dang near everywhere and it goes everywhere the fullsize can go. These firearms are kind of a last ditch item and I kind of compare them to a knife. If the person is within distance for me to consider pulling a pocket knife then he is in distance for one of these single actions. I figure I would buy the 22mag version just because of the slight size increase. And it would be able to go anywhere I can legally carry. |
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Posted: 3/14/2011 7:13:07 PM EDT
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Great writeup as usual. Thanks again
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Posted: 3/14/2011 7:34:32 PM EDT
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Old Painless, It would be great to see if you could get a hold of the NAA Companion and Super Companion revolvers, these are the black powder firing models of the mini-revolvers. The Companion supposedly is equal in power to the 22lr and the Super Companion the 22WMR. I would like to see how these black powder versions stand up to the cartridge firing variants. Of course being able to buy them paper-free is a plus
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Posted: 3/14/2011 7:56:44 PM EDT
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I'm glad you did the write up! I think that I may need to pick one of these up for a jogging gun.
Thanks O_P, another great write-up as usual. Thanks. It seems these are more popular than I knew.
Send NAA a link to this thread. When they read it and realize that you're already Salesman of the Year, maybe they'll let you keep the test guns. |
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Posted: 3/14/2011 8:26:15 PM EDT
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I'm really curious how well the .22 LR Aguila SSS 60 grain solid would do in terms of penetration. Same thing I was wondering. |
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Posted: 3/15/2011 5:10:06 AM EDT
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Thanks Old_Painless ––... In the photo, you can see that I "two handed" them for accurate shooting. But there isn't much of a grip to hold on to. But like many things about these pistols, you give up a few things Reason for the question was I saw your "two hand" and was wondering about fingers near/around the cylinder... Yep, ain't no .460, .454, whatever but wondered if you "felt" any blowout/blowdown from being that close to the cylinder front? I've "handled" a few of the NAA's and totally understand your belly-gun comment.
You are certainly correct about the cylinder/barrel gap and the possibility of blow-by. But I have shot enough revolvers in my time to be well aware of this problem, and I always keep all body parts behind the gap, as I have seen the results of forgetting. It is so ingrained that it would feel awkward to place my fingers past the gap.
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