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Posted: 2/9/2005 5:25:03 AM EST
[#1]
Never heard of it or done it myself.
Pretty cool though you had to hallucinate to 'find God' |
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Posted: 2/9/2005 5:28:31 AM EST
[#2]
Looks like ya got lucky......call it good and keep away from the pharmocopia and you'll be fine....
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Posted: 2/9/2005 5:29:11 AM EST
[#3]
this should be good.
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Posted: 2/9/2005 5:30:14 AM EST
[#4]
+1 popcorn and beer ready and waiting |
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Posted: 2/9/2005 5:32:40 AM EST
[#5]
Hallucinogenic mushrooms wouldn't be my first choice of evangelical methods.
I think that's all I'll say. |
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Posted: 2/9/2005 5:34:25 AM EST
[#6]
There are worse ways to try and obtain enlightenment.
Whatever works, works. |
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Posted: 2/9/2005 5:36:43 AM EST
[#7]
Wasn't my first choice either. |
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Posted: 2/9/2005 5:38:51 AM EST
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Carlos Santana said the same thing. So did Timothy Leary. I'm not saying you are an asshat, but they definitely are (were).
Is that the only change you experienced? I'd like to know what those who are close to have to say. |
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Posted: 2/9/2005 5:39:23 AM EST
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Friend of mine in high school used to trip balls on LSD every chance he could (just exploring the mind, riiiiiiight).
You guessed it - An OTH discharge from the Navy, and an unknown number of pay checks blown on quickie-abortions, and a couple of wrecked cars later - he now tells people he's " a soldier for Christ". He even tried to quit swearing. Boy, couldn't see that one coming a mile away. Care to guess whether or not he's huge fan of Rush Limbaugh? |
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Posted: 2/9/2005 5:43:59 AM EST
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This is rather strange indeed.
I try to always be an honest man, on some occasions with more success than at others. For I think there should be nothing in my past that I should be ashamed to speak of, because, for better or for worse, I am the end result of everything that I have ever done. I cannot criticize any man's search for meaning in his life, if it truly is a search for the truth in life. However you arrived at the Feet of Christ, I commend you. For the woman 'taken in adultery', it surely must have been embarrassing to meet the Young Rabbi in the circumstances in which she did....but only for a moment! And that moment changed her life...forever. In this world and in the World to Come. God Bless you and Keep you, Brother onemangang, in your Walk with Christ in this world. Don't think too long and hard on your past and any mistakes that you may have made, for in Christ 'all things are made new.' If Satan ever tries to remind you of your past for the purpose of unsettling your mind, you can just remind him of his future! Eric The(FellowTravelerOnThatWalkWithChrist)Hun 
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Posted: 2/9/2005 5:47:02 AM EST
[#11]
Usually that sort of shit opens up your mind to the evil spirits.
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Posted: 2/9/2005 5:49:17 AM EST
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Well, I guess the question is, does God consider psylosibe cubensis to be the tree of knowledge of good and evil? |
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Posted: 2/9/2005 5:50:02 AM EST
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you think shrooms are fun.
try choking yourself when you masturbate 
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Posted: 2/9/2005 5:50:27 AM EST
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I'm kind of in the same boat. Lets just say I pretty much tried every drug possible when I was younger. I looked at it as an experiment almost. Among those, I ate shrooms a few times. Sometimes I picked em myself and ate them 'wet' sometimes bought them dried. Definately had some INTERESTING visions and thoughts on them. I don't see the harm but then again I'm not religious.
ETA: Considering the things illegal things I did in my past, I'm pretty lucky to have grown out of it without any problems. I wouldn't recommend anything other than unprocessed natural "things" to get a buzz. The other way is a VERY slippery slope. |
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Posted: 2/9/2005 5:53:58 AM EST
[#15]
I think it was Bill W. who originally advocated the use of LSD to achieve a spiritual awakening in the early days of AA.
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Posted: 2/9/2005 5:56:23 AM EST
[#16]
10 pages minimum
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Posted: 2/9/2005 5:58:14 AM EST
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I once saw a documentary on terminal cancer patients and the manner in which they were handled at the 'very end.'
There comes a time, in some cancer patients, where even opiates are unable to relieve the pain. Some hospitals and physicians experimented with a simple solution, merely remove the patient's mind from his body, so that he will not realize the pain that his body was undergoing. Their method? Pure LSD-25. What was the result? They filmed one elderly man, well, in his 60s, I suppose, so maybe not that 'elderly', who was in the last days of his life and in severe pain. He was a basket case, indeed. His family couldn't even speak with him because of the pain and his mind's inability to concentrate on any conversation. The physicians administered a dose of LSD-25, and the man's composure returned almost immediately! He was on a trip, indeed! And what did that 'trip' consist of? He was sitting upright in bed and told his gathered family members that he saw Jesus descending from Heaven, and there were two men with him, as Angels, and they were his father and his grandfather. He spoke with Jesus, his father and his grandfather as his family watched, he was crying and laughing at the same time, wiping away his tears, and telling his family what Jesus, his father and his grandfather were saying to him. He then launched into a lengthy prayer and asked forgiveness, for the continued health of his family, for their forgiveness, and for many other things. Then sank back into unconsciouness. He died a few hours later. If you are well established in what you believe, then such a 'trip' can be a very interesting and enlightening event. If you are not, it can be the sheer hell that we've all come to believe from movies, etc. I wouldn't do it, again, ever. Never. But then, if I were suffering from some terminal disease as that man, well, never say never. Eric The(EnlightenedByHimAndByNothingElse)Hun
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Posted: 2/9/2005 5:59:15 AM EST
[#18]
Maybe the message isn't that apparent if you need drugs to induce "faith". Drugs will make you see anything you want to see.
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Posted: 2/9/2005 6:01:55 AM EST
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Did you find god that way too? |
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Posted: 2/9/2005 6:05:31 AM EST
[#20]
My ancestors, the Vikings, used mushies and other drugs to go into BERSERKER RAGE when entering combat.
Nowadays, I just watch 5 minutes of Katie Couric and I'm good to go... |
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Posted: 2/9/2005 6:06:53 AM EST
[#21]
If that is how you reach your faith, anyone that calls you an asshat needs to rethink their own spirituality. It might not be how you set out to get there, and it could just be dumb luck.
You're a better person now. You don't trip anymore. The end can justify the means. |
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Posted: 2/9/2005 6:08:33 AM EST
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X - which is just one or two carbon molecules off from the LSD chain - was originally a breakthrough, highly effective treatment for those afflicted with horrible depression.
I remember reading an article in the Skeptical Inquirer alluding to the fact that recorded descriptions of near death experiences and acid trips shared a suprisingly high number of similarities. The feeling of travelling down a dark tunnel to a point of light, out of body/remote viewing, feelings of a profound personal life change at the end of it all. |
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Posted: 2/9/2005 6:10:31 AM EST
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Dear onemangang.
Your rapturous visions of religion are not unparalleled. The good prophet Mohammed received his instruction from God (or G-d or Allah or Yaweh) after locking himself up in a cave for a long period. Surnamese natives shove Epena up their noses to better see "the little men of the forest." In fact I think that there is a book specifically devoted to exploring examples of psychoactive drugs and belief in different cultures. It's pop culture nowadays. I would expect that rapturous speaking in tongues or being touched by the holy spirit or is not far off in self-induced of God induced narcosis. My personal take is that there are a lot of ways to receive or attain enlightenment, and if you get out of bed each day with a sense of reverence and fundamental wonder, then you ain't doing bad in my book. |
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Posted: 2/9/2005 6:11:53 AM EST
[#24]
the capacity of mankind to do dumb things, is only exceded by the mercy of God to rescue & redirect their lives...
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Posted: 2/9/2005 6:17:48 AM EST
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how do you think the american indians found their spirit world and gods? wasn't "shrooms" but peyote had a major impact on them in their spirituality.. Chris |
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Posted: 2/9/2005 6:17:59 AM EST
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Is school out early today? |
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Posted: 2/9/2005 6:25:08 AM EST
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I've made some life changing decisions on acid in the past, they were all positive in the short andlong run. I believe you go "to another plane", honestly. You do achieve an enlightened state if that's what you are looking far. I never looked for anything spiritual, not into a god/savior, just a supreme being.
Then again if you Haven't done any in 10+ years......Got to where it was all "dirty". Don't think I would do any now even if it was clean. I'm in a different place. I would never do mushroms again...last batch I cooked was way stronger than I ever made and found myself crying while I was watching "Good Times" on the tube, while plastic pop-sicle sticks were closing in on me  , and was scared I'd overdone it. Don't like the dirty feeling afterward not to mention what it does to your liver.Many cultures have and do use hallucinagens to get spiritual, I believe it is posible. But I know some burn outs that don't think they have a drug problem but they all have an excuse. If you are not the above, ignore the asshats nay sayers......you gotta livea little. |
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Posted: 2/9/2005 6:35:09 AM EST
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Ha ha ha ha ha
doing shrooms while watching good times. Jesus, that isn't something I'd want to do. That was a depressing show even as a 4th grader who was completely sober. JJ gets shot. The electricity gets turned off. As a kid, I could look down to the end of my street and see that F$$king shitehole of a housing project that "Good times" was supposedly located on about 1mile away. Monstrosity. I hope it was an ok place to live, but it sure didn't look it. BTW, the last time I checked, Psylocybe was spelled 'wit a "C" not an "S" |
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Posted: 2/9/2005 6:52:17 AM EST
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The book is called "The Teachings of Don Juan: a Taqui way of Knowledge" by Carlos Castaneda. I have it and read it about a year ago. Good read! Some of it is pretty funny! There is a part in it where the author is tripping(not sure on what) and is running around trying to pee on his "teachers" dog. His teacher tells hime about it the next day! I never had any "bad trips" I had some that were as intense as they come but never anything frightening. The most I ever ate was 27 wet/picked-'em myself fresh ones. That was 10 hours of serious traveling! Someone stated something about "dirty and clean". I know EXACTLY what you're talking about except that whenever I came down I would feel incredibly, sparkley, clean! At times while tripping I would feel like trash and have a "dirty" outlook on life. After it was over I would feel cleansed. |
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Posted: 2/9/2005 6:54:49 AM EST
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Posted: 2/9/2005 7:09:13 AM EST
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Well I think that another poster already made the connection between NAtive Americans and peyote.
Which is like weed is to heroin, compared to psylicibin. From everything I have read they didn't use it to have "fun" they used it to go on spirit journies. So you are not the first to find the presence of religion between "reality" if you will. The couple of times I did it, I never felt out of control, I just always saw things a little different. Buddhists used to meditate to reach a stage of enlightenment that removed them from the physical plane. MAybe hallucinogens just speed the process up.. YMMV |
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Posted: 2/9/2005 7:21:04 AM EST
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Posted: 2/9/2005 7:35:32 AM EST
[#33]
If you look at the brain wave patterns of meditators and psychotropic users (mescaline, psilocybin, LSD) there are similarities under some circumstances. These similarities occur in the left temporal lobe, and can be associated with religious experiences. It has been known for a long time that this connection exists, and frequently has beneficial effects on the person. All of these chemicals are related, and act upon roughly the same place in the brain, called the 'reticular activating system'. They differ mainly in the associated physiologic changes (e.g., acid is a lot harsher on you physically than shrooms). Chemicals by themselves are no guarantee that there will be any one specific kind of experience. The person's mind set, personality and the environment they are in will make a tremendous difference, with reactions ranging from ecstatic to horrific. YMMV, so it's not all just chemicals. Many people who have been exposed to these compounds feel that using (or misusing) drugs this powerful for trivial purposes is a big mistake, or at the very least a waste of time. The Indian's ritual use of peyote is a religious usage; watching television cartoons after dropping a hit of acid is not. Different setting, and different mindset. Thus different results. |
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Posted: 2/9/2005 7:57:42 AM EST
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If you look at patterns of brainwaves of drug users who overdose and people who are otherwise dead, there are similarities also.
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Posted: 2/9/2005 8:02:41 AM EST
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ARe you under the age of 27 by chance?
If so, I would worry. DUde, you got high...that's it. SGat1r5 |
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Posted: 2/9/2005 9:04:23 AM EST
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Thats F'ing so funny! |
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Posted: 2/9/2005 9:12:45 AM EST
[#37]
God can turn anything to his purpose.
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Posted: 2/9/2005 9:26:07 AM EST
[#38]
Positive?
Well, I knew a guy once who used to take LSD and draw pictures. Normally he was just an OK guy, no real vision. On LSD? The guy was amazing. So if you're in to altered states, this could be considered a positive. His experimentation (and art career) ended when he had a massively "bad trip" in which he vividly saw a depiction of hell. The intensity of the vision and the perceived pain almost ten years later still brought the guy to tears. He wasn't a Christian per se... But he was a good guy. ----- On a side note, as ETH said, however you come to the Lord is fine, just so long as you ask Him into your heart. |
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Posted: 2/9/2005 9:37:08 AM EST
[#39]
Were you listening to Jerry Garcia by any chance?
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Posted: 2/9/2005 9:53:16 AM EST
[#40]
that's the sort of crazy shit I usually hear people talk about when they do lsd/schrooms/etc. it makes you more accesable to the demons 
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Posted: 2/9/2005 10:02:31 AM EST
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that type reaction is not typical, and the only "demons" that are accesable are in your own mind. (100 times just with LSD here) shrooms I never kept track of, but many were taken  never a bad experience and never a "flashback"<<< a mythical happening IMVHEOChris |
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Posted: 2/9/2005 10:03:40 AM EST
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I believe God uses anything and everything to bring us to an understanding of Him. I said my "sinner's prayer" and was baptized when I was 14. Twenty seven years later at the end of a rebellious and broken life, God revealed Himself to me. I asked Him "Why did I have to go through all this?" He replied "Would you have known me any other way?" He was absolutely right (what a surprise) I had to come to an end of myself. So I wouldn't be to concerned as to what brought you to a knowledge of God, I would be concerned with what to do with that Knowledge. |
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Posted: 2/9/2005 10:07:14 AM EST
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was gonna, but I won't.  Chris |
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Posted: 2/9/2005 10:08:10 AM EST
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If I had a trip where I saw hell vividly I would probably get right with God real quick! |
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Posted: 2/9/2005 10:16:12 AM EST
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Don't want to hijack this thread....but I can only imagine! And yes God talks to me, rarely direct verbal communication (those are the BEST), other non-verbal ways. The key for me is to keep my attenane(sp) up.
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Posted: 2/9/2005 10:17:24 AM EST
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That's the acid test, alright...... |
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Posted: 2/9/2005 10:35:50 AM EST
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Did anybody see the size of that chicken?
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Posted: 2/9/2005 10:41:18 AM EST
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My college girlfriend and I found that sex while shrooming was a near religious for both of us... Does that count?
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Posted: 2/9/2005 10:45:25 AM EST
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Darwin works in mysterious ways... |
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Posted: 2/9/2005 10:48:54 AM EST
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you've done shrooms huh, officer? |
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