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Posted: 2/17/2005 6:30:35 AM EST
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appointed by god are they?  Chris |
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Posted: 2/17/2005 6:32:30 AM EST
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Like I said: If you don't like the book, go take it up with God. See if He will change it for you.
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Posted: 2/17/2005 6:38:41 AM EST
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why can't I just pick and choose as you do JW?  Chris |
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Posted: 2/17/2005 6:40:41 AM EST
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So now you are expert enough on Christian theology and doctrine to determine that I am "picking" and "choosing" what I like out of the Bible? Are you SURE you aren't high right now? |
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Posted: 2/17/2005 6:45:10 AM EST
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were it legal, there for not a "sin" yea, I'd be smoking a spliff right now. probably be less of a hassle on you too BTW.  never claimed to be an expert on theocracies such as yours, but you are in fact picking and choosing which drug is a sin and which is not . ready for that  in  yet JW?Chris |
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Posted: 2/17/2005 6:49:29 AM EST
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It is ashame you have to resort to making wildly absurd and completely irrational statements to even stay in the arguement.
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Posted: 2/17/2005 6:49:58 AM EST
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+1 |
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Posted: 2/17/2005 6:50:59 AM EST
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Woe unto them that rise up early in the morning, that they may follow strong drink; that continue until night, till wine inflame them! --Isaiah 05:11
It’s five before noon, so technically it is morning. Taking a seat at the bar, I consider holding out for those five long horrible minutes. What is woe after all? Webster defines it as 1) a condition of deep suffering from misfortune, affliction, or grief, or 2) ruinous trouble. “What’re you having?” “Give me a couple minutes.” The bartender glances at his watch. “Got a rule about drinking before noon?” “No, but God apparently does.” He bounces his eyes off the Bible on the bar top then moves away to stare at me from what cops call “loony range.” Contrary to popular belief, I am not usually drunk by noon. Hell, I'm usually asleep until two. “How about now?” he asks. Ignoring the calculated lie of the bar clock, I look at my watch as the inexorable second hand crosses the line between the woeful felony of morning drunkenness, and the minor, almost laughable misdemeanor of extremely early-afternoon tippling. “I can now follow strong drink without fear of woe,” I tell the bartender, ordering a gin and tonic. “But I may become inflamed with wine later.” “We don’t serve wine or flamers,” he fires back handily, and I notice he pours my cocktail stiff. Trying to sway the righteous from the Lord with strong drink. 
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Posted: 2/17/2005 6:52:42 AM EST
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yes JW, wildly absurd and completely irrational. just as your theocracy of absolution where things aren't as absolute as you proclaim them to be.  Chris |
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Posted: 2/17/2005 6:53:42 AM EST
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glad I'm not alone in seeing it. Chris |
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Posted: 2/17/2005 7:04:31 AM EST
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This is to funny... I may have to use this.....
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Posted: 2/17/2005 7:05:41 AM EST
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There are more... Your not alone brother!  |
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Posted: 2/17/2005 7:06:35 AM EST
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woooo Hoooo. Chris |
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Posted: 2/17/2005 7:22:51 AM EST
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I am being criticized by a guy who doesn't even know what the word absolution means. Nuff said. |
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Posted: 2/17/2005 7:26:40 AM EST
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That's ok I can offer all of you abolution at my E-COnfessional  |
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Posted: 2/17/2005 7:43:10 AM EST
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perhaps the wrong word was chosen JW, but at least I know how to spell hypocrite out for ya.
John_wayne777 <<<<<<See  Chris |
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Posted: 2/17/2005 7:44:00 AM EST
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 Chris |
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Posted: 2/17/2005 7:48:55 AM EST
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No, you don't know the meaning of that word either. I get the feeling you don't know the meaning of a lot of words. |
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Posted: 2/17/2005 7:55:27 AM EST
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I never claimed to be a wordsmith, I also never "claimed"myself to be a by the book christian, as then we'd both be false instead of just you what's dropping cocaine mean JW? (hint) It means you lost your stash. Chris |
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Posted: 2/17/2005 8:05:14 AM EST
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What exactly is your definition of a by the book Christian? |
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Posted: 2/17/2005 8:14:10 AM EST
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Hey, John_Wayne777.
You're taking shit from a guy who lost his drivers license for not paying his child support. Consider the source and move along. Don't worry about bashing VA whatever, I have no way to find this thread again even if I wanted to which I don't. |
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Posted: 2/17/2005 8:17:17 AM EST
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Eh....
Work is slow and I am bored. So why not indulge the little guy? |
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Posted: 2/17/2005 8:18:29 AM EST
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Yet does not God also praise the wine that maketh glad the heart of man (Psalm 104:15)?
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Posted: 2/17/2005 8:18:45 AM EST
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Man, do I have a story about a gay dude blowing himself up, free ten-strips, and tripping by yourself. But I should really probably keep that to myself... |
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Posted: 2/17/2005 8:20:27 AM EST
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The Ark’s builder and captain was the Bible’s first drunk: Then he drank of the wine and was drunk, and became uncovered in his tent (Genesis 9:21). And who can blame him—being cooped up with all those goddamn screeching animals for weeks on end would make the founder of the Anti-Saloon League turn to strong drink. He got loaded and God made no attempt to stop him. Noah was also quite apparently the victim of the first hangover—when he found out his youngest son Ham had made sport of him for passing out naked, he promptly condemned Ham’s son Canaan to a lifetime of servitude. Must have been a real head-splitter.
The chapter also serves up the first example of the health benefits of enjoying the fruits of the vine—Noah went on to live an additional 350 years and his randy sons went on to populate the entire earth. So the three lessons we can draw from this chapter are: 1) We are all descended from a drunkard, 2) Wine is good for you and, perhaps most importantly of all, 3) Don’t fuck with a naked, passed-out man on his way to a red wine hangover. |
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Posted: 2/17/2005 8:21:20 AM EST
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It also says: "1Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise." Provberbs 20 |
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Posted: 2/17/2005 8:22:52 AM EST
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Ahh Hell, Then which is it? Does man choose the path... Or does "God"? A dilema indeed! 
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Posted: 2/17/2005 8:23:43 AM EST
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Noah was indeed the first person to be intoxicated in the Bible. It was a sin then, just as it is a sin today. That is the one and only time we see Noah being drunk. He did not make a habit of it. |
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Posted: 2/17/2005 8:25:57 AM EST
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ahhhh, more lies from pinheads. might want to go reread that thread on the child support, the state computer error, not my not paying.  .Chris |
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Posted: 2/17/2005 8:26:27 AM EST
[#30]
you Chris |
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Posted: 2/17/2005 8:26:57 AM EST
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You really shouldn't try so hard. You might strain something. I have posted NUMEROUS times by now that I cannot see in scripture where drinking wine is in itself a sin. I CAN point to lots of places that condemn being INTOXICATED by wine or other substances. Even a bloody 4th grader can understand the concept. What's your problem? |
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Posted: 2/17/2005 8:27:51 AM EST
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So am I false because I am "by the book"? |
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Posted: 2/17/2005 8:29:51 AM EST
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Literally or metaphorically by the book? Perhaps you can help me out with understanding This
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Posted: 2/17/2005 8:35:33 AM EST
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you're just like them, god is the only way and his word is the last, spew scripture then your personal claim of "it's a sin" unless it's legal by mans law, then it's not a sin. A hypocrite. I guess "Typical Christian of conveinance" may have been a better way to say it , for you.Chris |
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Posted: 2/17/2005 8:45:22 AM EST
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Ah. So because I hold to some absolutes, then I am false. And, by the way, I never said that God's law was over-ruled by man's law. I simply said that we are charged in scripture to obey the governing authorities so long as they do not conflict with God's authority.
Yet another word you apparently do not understand. A hypocrite would be someone who talks about how evil drugs are, and then runs out and uses them. Or who talks about the Biblical demand for sexual purity, and goes out with some hookers. YOUR definition of "hypocrite" appears to be basically anyone you disagree with. Actually YOU would be the hypocrite here, for talking about how harmless drugs are and yet not using them....
Again, more words you apparently don't understand. If I was a "christian of convenience" (I don't know what a christian of conveinance is, so I assumed that you were going for convenience) then it would mean I would only act Christian so long as it didn't interfere with what I wanted to do. It would mean that whenever confronted on an issue of faith, I would abandon my position rather than stand up for it. THAT is a "christian of convenience". But according to YOUR definition, I suppose that anyone who teaches a theology you don't like is a "christian of convenience" because they don't get the V22 seal of approval. Using YOUR definitions rather than the standard English definitions of those words that the rest of us who speak English use, I will gladly accept the title. |
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Posted: 2/17/2005 8:45:23 AM EST
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Oh you saw "young guns" also ? 
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Posted: 2/17/2005 9:03:37 AM EST
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yes JW, I was lucky enough to have to work to live and experience life as it truely is, not as you seem to percieve it. school was a second sometimes third thought. you got me on my education college boy. all the rest [dance JW] and it's the reverend virginia22 to you.  keep picking and choosing them sins JW mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm for ya. Chris |
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Posted: 2/17/2005 9:05:35 AM EST
[#38]
Chris,
Are you ordained too? 
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Posted: 2/17/2005 9:07:58 AM EST
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Did you see the size of that chicken? <------ |
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Posted: 2/17/2005 9:08:17 AM EST
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hey jrzy, didn't you whine to the mods in the pit soylent_green getcha skeered? Chris |
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Posted: 2/17/2005 9:26:05 AM EST
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If you want you can get the most mind fu***** hallucinogens legally. Ever heard of DMT?
Lots of legal sources of mescaline too. Salvia Divornum? These substances have been usd in shamanic rituals for thousands of years. They do not believe it is a sin. They partake of these rituals legally and ahev no remorse. And what is truly amazing about their religons is. They do not think becuase you do not believe the same as them, that You are a sinner. Imagine if every one felt that way. |
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Posted: 2/17/2005 9:31:50 AM EST
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There is a principle that you don't get. There are some things the Bible does not speak on, and others that it speaks on VERY clearly. Am I supposed to go beyond the words of the Bible to be absolute in everything? Your view is pitiful. Not EVERYTHING in the universe is absolute. But SOME things ARE absolute. Where the Bible is absolute, so am I. Where it is not, neither am I. There is nothing inconsistent about that except perhaps in your twisted mind. If everything isn't granite then everything must be jello? Hardly.
I have answered that question like half a dozen times now. Try reading what I have already posted. Comprehend it. THEN respond to it. MmmmKay?
Ah. So somehow I have escaped having to work for a living? I didn't have to work hard to earn a living and struggle to get an education? I didn't have to struggle to better myself? And upon what do you base those ideas?
As I have said about 1 million times now, they are only sins in YOUR tiny little imagination. You are equating them because your so desperate to win an arguement or make a point that you are willing to abandon ALL sense. Your demented perception is not my judge. God is, and His word is my guide. |
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Posted: 2/17/2005 9:32:31 AM EST
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Why not? You don't seem to know what the word metaphor means. |
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Posted: 2/17/2005 9:36:29 AM EST
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So what? We are not discussing shamanic tradition. We are discussing CHRISTIAN tradition. Other people and other faiths can believe whatever tickles their Elmo. But Christians are supposed to live by the standard of Christ. Your assertion is rediculous. It is like saying vegans should just eat meat because other people do it and don't feel guilty about it at all. You are missing the entire point.
Again, they can believe whatever they want. My beliefs are based on the Bible. It doesn't preach lots of different options, but reveals Christ alone as THE Way, THE Truth, and THE Life. I am not really concerned if other religions agree or not.
You can "feel" that way all you want. But "feeling" that way does not change the message of the Gospel one tiny bit. Christ is IT. Apart from Him there is no provision for salvation. Disagree with it, get mad at it, hate it, ridicule it all you would like to. It isn't going to change. |
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Posted: 2/17/2005 9:37:43 AM EST
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The 4th grade was a long time ago.... Perhaps my understanding of metaphor was lost in the sands of time. |
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Posted: 2/17/2005 9:40:27 AM EST
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Why cant religon just be tolerant?
Thats all. Look I thought yu would welcome anyone that came to your eligon regardless of how they did it. If some guy saw christ in a bowl of spaghetti and became a born againer. Isnt that a good thing? Why not go thru life and say "this is my plan for salvation it is what i like" Instead of " this is my plan for slavation it is what i like, Your a sinner if you believe otherwise and will burn in hell!" BTW their is no place called hell. Study your bible. It is one of the first things you learn in theology |
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Posted: 2/17/2005 9:42:05 AM EST
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That is one of the thousands of contradictory statements in the bible |
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Posted: 2/17/2005 9:48:48 AM EST
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Because the message of the Gospel, its most CENTRAL message, is completely intolerant of Sin.
The problem is that there is only one way found in scripture that a person can come to Christ, and that is by the drawing of the Holy Spirit. A person can be drawn by the Spirit in their car, in a bar, face down in a gutter, in a room full of hookers, whereever, but it is the Spirit who draws men. They don't "find" God, God finds THEM. And He doesn't find them BECAUSE of drugs. That was my whole point from the beginning of this thread. God Himself saves us. We don't "find" Him by tripping, and we certainly don't commune with Him that way.
Because it isn't MY plan, and it isn't what I like. I didn't come up with all of this, so I sure as heck can't change it. God's plan is just that: God's. If He wants to change it, He can. But I have no power to do so, and worse, if I try I become a false witness of God and violate His commandment to me. I won't do that. Not for anyone.
It is one of the first things you learn in FALSE "theology". I HAVE studied my Bible. I HAVE examined my faith. I HAVE doubted it. I HAVE questioned it. I HAVE mocked it. But through it all God kept showing me the plain truth of His Gospel. At some point, I finally gave up the vanity of my own ideas and accepted the simple truth of the Gospel. That was not a happy day when I did it, but since then I have come to realize it was the happiest day of my life. |
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Posted: 2/17/2005 9:49:48 AM EST
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Study your Bible. The Bible's systematic theology is in perfect harmony with itself. That is one of the FIRST things they teach you when you study systematic theology. Show me where it says that strong drink is a complete blessing, and that we are to drink it with reckless abandon. THAT would be a contradictory statement. Show me a statement where God's word says that being drunk is super cool and everyone should do it, and I will renounce Christianity right here. |
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Posted: 2/17/2005 9:52:24 AM EST
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