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Posted: 9/2/2023 5:36:37 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/2/2023 5:39:47 PM EDT
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Yawn if anybody ever actually decides to push the button all of the West, Europe, and Russia is done. Really won’t matter much at that point the who or the why.
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Posted: 9/2/2023 5:54:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Russians have SLBMs too. Bulava I think it's called. They also have a new generation Boomer. They can stash them in the white sea fairly safe from our attack boats and reach us. It's would be like our east coast boats leaving kings bay and sailing into the Chesapeake Bay to launch. Russia puts a huge % of the budget into strategic weapons vs where we spend money....obviously. their conventional forces have always sucked. It's not accurate to lump their rocket forces in with their terrible conventional forces. These systems will get priority in supply chains for limited resources. I was not trying to make the point that Russia wouldn't get its chops in. It would be silly to think they wouldn't kill tens of millions of Americans in any scenario. All I am saying is that this one missile isn't "Armageddon", especially when they have so few of them. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 5:54:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: his thread went from informative to GD bullshit. I'm out, I think it was derailed on purpose Yep it was good for a few pages. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 5:56:43 PM EDT
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Russia wants to get into the cloud provider business.
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Posted: 9/2/2023 5:58:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Air being decisive is a dream land believed only at Maxwell. Meanwhile, in reality, there is the fact that fires are what's decisive in a conventional fight. Air gives you some precision delivered fires and ISR. And, there is reality that everyone in the DOD trusts our Air Force so much they've elected to pay for their own. Ukraine doesn't really have an air force, but I am really surprised that the Russians are projecting so little air power themselves. Other than launching long-range cruise missiles from far away and and their use of attack helicopters, the rest of their air assets seems to be completely absent. That really surprises me. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 5:59:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As long as Wash DC is #1,2 and 3 ground zero, I'm strangely ok with it.  Strangely, I'm not OK with ANYONE who thinks it's acceptable or funny to be OK with the nuking of American cities, no matter how liberal they may be. 
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Posted: 9/2/2023 6:06:34 PM EDT
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I was a little kid when the Cuban "missile crisis" happened and lived most of my life threatened by the fucking russians. Fuck them. They're just drunk gangsters with some nukes that may or may not work as well as their recent lunar lander.
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Posted: 9/2/2023 6:06:39 PM EDT
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I don't really think anyone actually realizes what we are up against. This is from Russia with love
 ????? ???????? "??????????" (???????????? ??????) Who in their right fucking mind makes a song about the wonderful freaking ICBMs? Rooski, that's who. Those guys are fucking Putin nut huggers who would love nothing more than to fire those babies off, and they gush all over themselves thinking about it. You really don't understand. It's more than simply an empty threat. Consider this. Russia had it made in 2021. They had the oil market locked down in Europe. They had more money than they've ever had in their entire history, and their people could go to the store and buy anything they wanted. They tossed it all to fuck with Ukraine. They thought that they would be done with them in days. They got fucked up. Now, they're losing their shit. Oligarchs are getting 86ed. Priggy got shot out of the sky right in front of them. And they are on a hair trigger, and singing about how wonderful nukes really are. I cannot impress upon you enough the issue here. Someone has convinced them that a nuclear war is winnable. That means it's imminent. And all of those godless athiest fuckstick lbgtq people out there fanning the flames and singing the praises of the old Soviet Union is simply throwing more logs on the fire. it's like standing on the tracks and daring the train to hit you. You really think there's time to stop it? And the alternative? Live in some billionaire developer's burn down the inner cities hellscape because China Ghost cities are the future? Yeah, they can afford to do it, at least, until they run out of our money. They just need more fentanyl, and crack. So let's everybody hold hands and sing kum-bay-ya while they launch the nuclear missiles. Nuclear winter; it cures global warming. It aids in depopulation. Destroys the atmosphere. It ends up killing every living thing on the face of the earth. Nothing survives. Diversity, at the atomic level. Equity. We're all dead. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 6:29:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was not trying to make the point that Russia wouldn't get its chops in. It would be silly to think they wouldn't kill tens of millions of Americans in any scenario. All I am saying is that this one missile isn't "Armageddon", especially when they have so few of them.  |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 6:30:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't really think anyone actually realizes what we are up against. This is from Russia with love  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hB8oGY2_gVMWho in their right fucking mind makes a song about the wonderful freaking ICBMs? Rooski, that's who. Those guys are fucking Putin nut huggers who would love nothing more than to fire those babies off, and they gush all over themselves thinking about it. You really don't understand. It's more than simply an empty threat. Consider this. Russia had it made in 2021. They had the oil market locked down in Europe. They had more money than they've ever had in their entire history, and their people could go to the store and buy anything they wanted. They tossed it all to fuck with Ukraine. They thought that they would be done with them in days. They got fucked up. Now, they're losing their shit. Oligarchs are getting 86ed. Priggy got shot out of the sky right in front of them. And they are on a hair trigger, and singing about how wonderful nukes really are. I cannot impress upon you enough the issue here. Someone has convinced them that a nuclear war is winnable. That means it's imminent. And all of those godless athiest fuckstick lbgtq people out there fanning the flames and singing the praises of the old Soviet Union is simply throwing more logs on the fire. it's like standing on the tracks and daring the train to hit you. You really think there's time to stop it? And the alternative? Live in some billionaire developer's burn down the inner cities hellscape because China Ghost cities are the future? Yeah, they can afford to do it, at least, until they run out of our money. They just need more fentanyl, and crack. So let's everybody hold hands and sing kum-bay-ya while they launch the nuclear missiles. Nuclear winter; it cures global warming. It aids in depopulation. Destroys the atmosphere. It ends up killing every living thing on the face of the earth. Nothing survives. Diversity, at the atomic level. Equity. We're all dead. They do NOT think a nuclear war is winnable; that's just nonsense. That audience for that video is not you or I, but the domestic Russian population. This is another example of a "look how awesome we are!" video produced by pretty much any totalitarian regime. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 6:30:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryIt really is a superb movie.
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Posted: 9/2/2023 6:36:03 PM EDT
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Why didn't they name it doom? Or lucifer?
Imo this is all a fugazi. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 6:49:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I find it interesting that in other recent news, Putin just had one of their top rocket scientists killed with...poisonous mushrooms.  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It wouldn't even make it out of their air space. I find it interesting that in other recent news, Putin just had one of their top rocket scientists killed with...poisonous mushrooms. And the chine just got Janet Yellen with mushrooms. Looks coordinated. Mushrooms, the other WMD. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 6:52:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why didn't they name it doom? Or lucifer? Imo this is all a fugazi. I never understood why the West renames these in the first place. Do the Russians do the same thing? Like maybe they call the Minuteman-III "AM-27 Vladimirovich" or something like that. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 6:55:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I never understood why the West renames these in the first place. Do the Russians do the same thing? Like maybe they call the Minuteman-III "AM-27 Vladimirovich" or something like that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Why didn't they name it doom? Or lucifer? Imo this is all a fugazi. I never understood why the West renames these in the first place. Do the Russians do the same thing? Like maybe they call the Minuteman-III "AM-27 Vladimirovich" or something like that. I think NATO just gives them a name so everyone stays on the same page. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 7:00:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think NATO just gives them a name so everyone stays on the same page. Well, they could name it "RS-28 Sarmat" like the Russians, and voila!
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Posted: 9/2/2023 7:01:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryAlaska will be one of the first States hit by saboteurs in the US to knock out key Communications and infrastructure. The big radar harp systems that they have out in the fields out in the middle of nowhere unguarded will be targeted first. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 7:06:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't really think anyone actually realizes what we are up against. This is from Russia with love https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hB8oGY2_gVMWho in their right fucking mind makes a song about the wonderful freaking ICBMs? Rooski, that's who. Snip Jesus fuck, that is one of the most surreal things I've ever seen in my life. I know enough Russian to understand what some of those lyrics mean. 
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Posted: 9/2/2023 7:27:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And the chine just got Janet Yellen with mushrooms. Looks coordinated. Mushrooms, the other WMD. Umm WUT |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 7:28:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They do NOT think a nuclear war is winnable; that's just nonsense. That audience for that video is not you or I, but the domestic Russian population. This is another example of a "look how awesome we are!" video produced by pretty much any totalitarian regime. What are you’re qualifications to make such a statement? |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 8:04:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When life becomes a boring unending cycle of working to support a society that actively detests you then the end of that world can become downright appealing. Even if you do run the risk of being cut in 2 by a chainsaw wielding maniac in leather bondage gear. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Your forgetting a solid chunk of Arf beats their dicks raw to fear porn all God damned day. When life becomes a boring unending cycle of working to support a society that actively detests you then the end of that world can become downright appealing. Even if you do run the risk of being cut in 2 by a chainsaw wielding maniac in leather bondage gear.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 8:10:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ukraine doesn't really have an air force, but I am really surprised that the Russians are projecting so little air power themselves. Other than launching long-range cruise missiles from far away and and their use of attack helicopters, the rest of their air assets seems to be completely absent. That really surprises me. It shouldn’t. Advanced double digit S/A missiles like the SA-20/10 make any fourth gen or less aircraft extremely vulnerable. Ukraine and Russias Air Forces aren’t modern enough to suppress nor evade those systems which is why you don’t see much tacair on either side. It’s also why I said F16s won’t be the game changer so many think. I am a little curious why Russia hasn’t used (to my knowledge) their 5th gensky SU-57 for Tac D&E if nothing else. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 8:23:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It shouldn't. Advanced double digit S/A missiles like the SA-20/10 make any fourth gen or less aircraft extremely vulnerable. Ukraine and Russias Air Forces aren't modern enough to suppress nor evade those systems which is why you don't see much tacair on either side. It's also why I said F16s won't be the game changer so many think. I am a little curious why Russia hasn't used (to my knowledge) their 5th gensky SU-57 for Tac D&E if nothing else. Thanks for the info. I always thought the major players would have some voodoo crap to make them be able to fly a little anyways. Guess I was wrong. 
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Posted: 9/2/2023 8:28:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks for the info. I always thought the major players would have some voodoo crap to make them be able to fly a little anyways. Guess I was wrong. I think - and this is just my opinion - is Russia will introduce the SU-57 and plus up the advanced SU-35s once the F-16s arrive in country. Although the F-16 is a tactical weapon, it would be a major PR victory for Russia to be able to show videos of shot down F-16s. That’s the only possible reason I can think of for not already using them in Ukraine. I suppose the could still be in the Cold War mindset of using them to defend Moscow against whatever threat too. My point being, I think we will see a slight uptick in air to air battles once the F-16 shows up. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 8:33:58 PM EDT
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He tested a big ass nuke on Hitlers birthday? Thought he wanted to fight nazis?
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Posted: 9/2/2023 8:59:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What are you’re qualifications to make such a statement? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They do NOT think a nuclear war is winnable; that's just nonsense. That audience for that video is not you or I, but the domestic Russian population. This is another example of a "look how awesome we are!" video produced by pretty much any totalitarian regime. What are you’re qualifications to make such a statement? The last 3 years of events have shown us how idiotic most "qualified" people are. This is a nation run by loons and idiots. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 9:03:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It shouldn’t. Advanced double digit S/A missiles like the SA-20/10 make any fourth gen or less aircraft extremely vulnerable. Ukraine and Russias Air Forces aren’t modern enough to suppress nor evade those systems which is why you don’t see much tacair on either side. It’s also why I said F16s won’t be the game changer so many think. I am a little curious why Russia hasn’t used (to my knowledge) their 5th gensky SU-57 for Tac D&E if nothing else. My guesses: 1. They're worried about what the E-3s, E-7s, RC-135s, and F-35s will see. 2. They're worried about one getting shot down. There's not many of them to begin with (less than 15 I think), losing one and having it's wreckage displayed would be huge blow. Plus, they're having to prioritize other projects due to limited resources/sanctions. Losing the 34's and 35's in Ukraine has already been kind of embarrassing. 3. It's a turd. It was never going to be a Raptor but they've been developing the proper engines for the thing well past their introduction, so the performance has been limited, and Indian has pulled out of the project so they aren't going to really be an impact player as the production numbers will be so low. It's had limited roles in exercises, demos and action meaning they don't really want to showcase it and risk loses. Even in Syria they flew in, flew some media sorties and went back home. Half of the fleet are test aircraft. The other half are production aircraft still borrowing engines from another platform. Before the war they cut down the total order. I'm imagining they'll have to pay bribes to Xi and Kim using a declining currency so I doubt they hit the 76 aircraft goal. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 9:11:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Exactly. Gen-X is ready. We've been promised nuclear Armageddon for 50 fucking years. We're not getting any younger. I asked him "How would you know? Is the Kremlin going to call you and say "You're dead asshole!" Regular people like us would just be incinerated with no warning." He thought about that and said "You know you're a dick" |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 9:14:49 PM EDT
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This Is the Earth Shattering Kaboom that I've been warning you about!!!
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Posted: 9/2/2023 9:37:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A housemate of mine asked me "What would you do in the x [I forget how long] minutes from when the Soviets launch nuclear missles until they hit" I asked him "How would you know? Is the Kremlin going to call you and say "You're dead asshole!" Regular people like us would just be incinerated with no warning." He thought about that and said "You know you're a dick" Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Exactly. Gen-X is ready. We've been promised nuclear Armageddon for 50 fucking years. We're not getting any younger. I asked him "How would you know? Is the Kremlin going to call you and say "You're dead asshole!" Regular people like us would just be incinerated with no warning." He thought about that and said "You know you're a dick" Hawaii had 38 minutes to think about it before it was confirmed that what goes up might not come down. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 9:45:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am a little curious why Russia hasn’t used (to my knowledge) their 5th gensky SU-57 for Tac D&E if nothing else. I’m guessing because they only have like 10 of them, don’t want to risk the embarrassment and exploit potential of losing one, and/or are keeping them in more of a defensive posture. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 9:51:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think - and this is just my opinion - is Russia will introduce the SU-57 and plus up the advanced SU-35s once the F-16s arrive in country. Although the F-16 is a tactical weapon, it would be a major PR victory for Russia to be able to show videos of shot down F-16s. That’s the only possible reason I can think of for not already using them in Ukraine. I suppose the could still be in the Cold War mindset of using them to defend Moscow against whatever threat too. My point being, I think we will see a slight uptick in air to air battles once the F-16 shows up. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Thanks for the info. I always thought the major players would have some voodoo crap to make them be able to fly a little anyways. Guess I was wrong. I think - and this is just my opinion - is Russia will introduce the SU-57 and plus up the advanced SU-35s once the F-16s arrive in country. Although the F-16 is a tactical weapon, it would be a major PR victory for Russia to be able to show videos of shot down F-16s. That’s the only possible reason I can think of for not already using them in Ukraine. I suppose the could still be in the Cold War mindset of using them to defend Moscow against whatever threat too. My point being, I think we will see a slight uptick in air to air battles once the F-16 shows up. You have a lot of faith in Russia. The 57 won't sneak into Ukraine because it isn't very stealthy... And they can't really afford to build them. India backed out because Russia is full of shit (among other reasons). They won't risk the few they do/will have, considering Western IADS systems have proven to be incredibly good. Like scary good. The 16s won't be used to attempt to penetrate Russian controlled airspace either. They will likely be used for defensive purposes AND standoff. Internet rumors say AIM120 and Harpoons will be a thing. Both of these equal big trouble for the Black Sea and any relevant aircraft defending the Russian front lines. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 9:58:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you hit strategic infrastructure Russian doctrine us quite clear on the outcome. Also, their IADS system is "turned off" essentially which is why drones have no trouble. We won't risk F35's until a certain pertentage of their air defense is down. I cant go any further than that. The US will not recover when DC, LA, NYC, Houston, and Miami are hit. And they will be destroyed if Moscow is touched. All the wargames show that Russia will use a "demonstration" nuke over one of its seas. That is the moment that Washington needs to understand that the brinkmanship is over If this new super rocket doesn't blow up on the pad. One worked, and one didn't. They don't have the money or talent to make it work every time. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 10:30:13 PM EDT
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What kind of dork country fields a hypergolic-fueled ICBM in 2023?
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Posted: 9/2/2023 10:36:10 PM EDT
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Would probably explode during the launch. Regardless there are about 87 times as many US Navy submarine launched ballistic missiles that would actually work.
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Posted: 9/2/2023 10:40:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What kind of dork country fields a hypergolic-fueled ICBM in 2023? The same kind of country that sees North Korea and goes, "like dat! Me wanna be just like dat!!!" |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 10:42:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The same kind of country that sees North Korea and goes, "like dat! Me wanna be just like dat!!!" They're also buying weapons from North Korea so you know they're tier 1 |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 10:50:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good. Let’s settle this once and for all. +1 I'm sick to death of the slow creep towards oblivion. Make it quicker! |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 11:07:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What kind of dork country fields a hypergolic-fueled ICBM in 2023? Quote HistoryQuoted: What kind of dork country fields a hypergolic-fueled ICBM in 2023? Yeah, that was a very strange design choice. Do you know if they can store the missile fueled up? ETA: I think I found the answer to "why liquid fueled": https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/why-did-russia-opt-liquid-fuel-its-next-generation-icbms . Short answer: More throw weigh capacity for parallel-separating warheads and the fact that they are having trouble sourcing everything for solid-fueled missiles solely in-country. Meanwhile the Russian Ministry of Defence's latest decision brings with it at least one political implication of huge importance: Russian suspicions about the global deployment of the US ABM system are going to continue and gain momentum. The decision on a new liquid-fuel ICBM can solve many difficulties, but one problem remains: the Russian forces' vulnerability against a boost-phase intercept. And the more Russia will rely on liquid-fuel missiles, the stronger the Russian leaders' concerns about the deterrence potential's credibility will be. In short, this is the start of a vicious circle. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 11:22:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ukraine doesn't really have an air force, but I am really surprised that the Russians are projecting so little air power themselves. Other than launching long-range cruise missiles from far away and and their use of attack helicopters, the rest of their air assets seems to be completely absent. That really surprises me. Because flying a high RCS aircraft into modern SAMs is a high risk proposition. Neither side seems to be able to decisively suppress enemy ADA in a fashion that allows for sustained air operations. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 11:23:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Putin made a theatrical TV presentation of ordering the commander of his Strategic Rocket Forces to a higher state of readiness when the Ukraine war kicked off. Shortly thereafter I had a USAF officer from one of our Minutemen III ICBM bases in my office, and I asked him if he’d seen any changes in our posture since Putin’s orders. “No, we’re ALWAYS at a high state of readiness”. Not that I will EVER underestimate our adversaries because that’s the kind of stupidity you see here in GD, but my interpretation of Putin’s orders were more of a “do your job as the commanding general”, meaning “crack the whip” on subordinates to ensure they’re doing the job they get paid to do. Maybe I’m out to lunch but he has to know we will end him, his family and Russia hard if he initiates an exchange. He knows our systems work, and he’s had some disappointing failures. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: With real time satellite imagery, and instant targeting updates, I don’t see what difference that makes. Even if they could change location fast enough to survive, which I doubt, if Russian launches are detected, many years ago it was about confirmation of enemy launches that was the limfac I can tell you, launch confirmation is instantaneous and target confirmation shortly there after. We see launches, we launch. The weapons will survive because they will be airborne. They don’t have to move location waiting on attack confirmation, just on the launch authorization, which granted may not be in time. But do we launch within the 30 minute window that those silos have to live? We are not on hair trigger alert anymore. I’ve worked at one the the CoNUS “CONS” and I do not believe our response would be given within that window. That would leave a handful of alert bombers that got airborne and our SSBNs. Is that enough? Probably. But then, why have the land part of the triad? All good questions, I would argue if we have them and the Russians change readiness posture, we should do the same. If they have weapons on the ready, we should too. Relying on manned bombers in this high tech world is foolish, Same with relying on cruise missiles getting in unobserved, although I still have some faith in that, the limfac with subs is the comm. Can that be denied? My guess is yes. We should not leave any part of the force non-responsive if Russia has increased their readiness we should not just match that but exceed it. Putin made a theatrical TV presentation of ordering the commander of his Strategic Rocket Forces to a higher state of readiness when the Ukraine war kicked off. Shortly thereafter I had a USAF officer from one of our Minutemen III ICBM bases in my office, and I asked him if he’d seen any changes in our posture since Putin’s orders. “No, we’re ALWAYS at a high state of readiness”. Not that I will EVER underestimate our adversaries because that’s the kind of stupidity you see here in GD, but my interpretation of Putin’s orders were more of a “do your job as the commanding general”, meaning “crack the whip” on subordinates to ensure they’re doing the job they get paid to do. Maybe I’m out to lunch but he has to know we will end him, his family and Russia hard if he initiates an exchange. He knows our systems work, and he’s had some disappointing failures. In the mid 1990s Russia fear us after watching Gulf War part 1 as jets put ordinance through doors and windows live on TV I gave an F-15 static display to 20+ high ranking Russian Air Force Generals complete with a question and fake answers session and I had more than 1 come up to me privately and relate how they were all very glad they never moved on western Europe because after watching the war on CNN they realized they would have been broadly defeated having no idea we even had that capability and they had nothing in comparison. Sure it could have been smoke being blown up my ass, but i new it was the truth. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 11:27:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you're old enough to rally to WOLVERINES!, you aren't young enough to be able to rough it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Let's get the nuclear attack and surprise Russian invasion from the south started while I'm young enough to stop be able to rough it and yell. WOLVERINES!! If you're old enough to rally to WOLVERINES!, you aren't young enough to be able to rough it. you know there was a remake only a few years ago right? |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 11:28:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In the mid 1990s Russia fear us after watching Gulf War part 1 as jets put ordinance through doors and windows live on TV I gave an F-15 static display to 20+ high ranking Russian Air Force Generals complete with a question and fake answers session and I had more than 1 come up to me privately and relate how they were all very glad they never moved on western Europe because after watching the war on CNN they realized they would have been broadly defeated having no idea we even had that capability and they had nothing in comparison. Sure it could have been smoke being blown up my ass, but i new it was the truth. It was the truth. The Second Offset strategy was a blistering success. Mostly because our computing power and microchip capabilities were light years ahead of what the Soviets could field. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 11:36:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, that was a very strange design choice. Do you know if they can store the missile fueled up? ETA: I think I found the answer to "why liquid fueled": https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/why-did-russia-opt-liquid-fuel-its-next-generation-icbms . Short answer: More throw weigh capacity for parallel-separating warheads and the fact that they are having trouble sourcing everything for solid-fueled missiles solely in-country. Yes I do. Do you know what happened in a silo in Arkansas in 1980? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_Damascus_Titan_missile_explosion Solid fuel is a questionable choice for a reusable launch vehicle but a great choice for an ICBM that's essentially a loaded round of ammunition. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 11:39:52 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't really think anyone actually realizes what we are up against. This is from Russia with love https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hB8oGY2_gVMWho in their right fucking mind makes a song about the wonderful freaking ICBMs? Rooski, that's who. Those guys are fucking Putin nut huggers who would love nothing more than to fire those babies off, and they gush all over themselves thinking about it. You really don't understand. It's more than simply an empty threat. Consider this. Russia had it made in 2021. They had the oil market locked down in Europe. They had more money than they've ever had in their entire history, and their people could go to the store and buy anything they wanted. They tossed it all to fuck with Ukraine. They thought that they would be done with them in days. They got fucked up. Now, they're losing their shit. Oligarchs are getting 86ed. Priggy got shot out of the sky right in front of them. And they are on a hair trigger, and singing about how wonderful nukes really are. I cannot impress upon you enough the issue here. Someone has convinced them that a nuclear war is winnable. That means it's imminent. And all of those godless athiest fuckstick lbgtq people out there fanning the flames and singing the praises of the old Soviet Union is simply throwing more logs on the fire. it's like standing on the tracks and daring the train to hit you. You really think there's time to stop it? And the alternative? Live in some billionaire developer's burn down the inner cities hellscape because China Ghost cities are the future? Yeah, they can afford to do it, at least, until they run out of our money. They just need more fentanyl, and crack. So let's everybody hold hands and sing kum-bay-ya while they launch the nuclear missiles. Nuclear winter; it cures global warming. It aids in depopulation. Destroys the atmosphere. It ends up killing every living thing on the face of the earth. Nothing survives. Diversity, at the atomic level. Equity. We're all dead. Soviet Doctrine has always been that nuclear war is winnable. That is not new. Russia lost 1/3 of its population in WW2 and they survived. They have never had any qualms about losing 1/3 again if need be. Nuclear winter is a farce. we atmosphere tested hundreds of nukes |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 11:45:43 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Because flying a high RCS aircraft into modern SAMs is a high risk proposition. Neither side seems to be able to decisively suppress enemy ADA in a fashion that allows for sustained air operations. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Ukraine doesn't really have an air force, but I am really surprised that the Russians are projecting so little air power themselves. Other than launching long-range cruise missiles from far away and and their use of attack helicopters, the rest of their air assets seems to be completely absent. That really surprises me. Because flying a high RCS aircraft into modern SAMs is a high risk proposition. Neither side seems to be able to decisively suppress enemy ADA in a fashion that allows for sustained air operations. apparently Russia just doesnt have that capability. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 11:52:08 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: apparently Russia just doesnt have that capability. The Russian military outside of some core capabilities like their SSGNs and airborne, were set up for large scale defensive operations and near abroad stability operations. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 11:52:13 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Good. Let’s settle this once and for all. Yep, more sabre rattling |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 11:52:47 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It was the truth. The Second Offset strategy was a blistering success. Mostly because our computing power and microchip capabilities were light years ahead of what the Soviets could field. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: In the mid 1990s Russia fear us after watching Gulf War part 1 as jets put ordinance through doors and windows live on TV I gave an F-15 static display to 20+ high ranking Russian Air Force Generals complete with a question and fake answers session and I had more than 1 come up to me privately and relate how they were all very glad they never moved on western Europe because after watching the war on CNN they realized they would have been broadly defeated having no idea we even had that capability and they had nothing in comparison. Sure it could have been smoke being blown up my ass, but i new it was the truth. It was the truth. The Second Offset strategy was a blistering success. Mostly because our computing power and microchip capabilities were light years ahead of what the Soviets could field. I am not so sure it would have been a blistering success against a vastly superior numerical force. |
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