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Posted: 9/2/2023 10:58:09 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: so you don't think multiple war heads spread just enough apart, wouldn't kill off most of Englands population? Because, that is how nukes work - or at least can. A single 100 megaton bomb doesn't do 10 times the damage of a 10 megaton bomb. However 10 x 10 megaton bombs spread out just enough does more damage than 10 megaton bombs dispersed further apart. I just had a whole conversation with my 6th grader son in the car yesterday, about optimal yield ranges, when he brought up the Czar Bomba. And the problems with delivering such a bomb. 
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Posted: 9/2/2023 11:00:17 AM EST
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Difference being you can run and hide from a tornado. Tornado shelters can save you and then you rebuild. There’s nowhere to run and hide from ICBMs. Only thing we can do if even one of those is launched is pray that it doesn’t hit us. There’s no rebuilding the world from that. The nuclear fall out from even one going off in Europe would disrupt global food and energy supplies. That’s quite an over dramatization. One nuke going off isn’t shit. The only thing to worry about is what comes after one nuke being launched. Does everyone fire off their entire arsenal? Time to start praying. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 11:00:29 AM EST
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah. And we should remember that Russia's nukes do in fact actually work. And that the largest nuke ever detonated was a scaled back version of one of Russia's nukes. Even the most pathetic animal in the world will eventually bite back if you back it far enough in to a corner. Acting like Russia isn't a real threat is the recipe to losing WW3. Especially given the fact that most of the US populace and our leaders don't have a stomach to prevent or fight WW3. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Yawn. I grew up in the 80s, I’m completely numb to “OMG the Russians are going to nuke us!!1!” at this point. I grew up in a town with tornado warnings and watches being a daily occurrence in the spring. We ignored them. Then one day a tornado ripped thru and killed a lot of people. Point being, past doesn’t predict future. Yeah. And we should remember that Russia's nukes do in fact actually work. And that the largest nuke ever detonated was a scaled back version of one of Russia's nukes. Even the most pathetic animal in the world will eventually bite back if you back it far enough in to a corner. Acting like Russia isn't a real threat is the recipe to losing WW3. Especially given the fact that most of the US populace and our leaders don't have a stomach to prevent or fight WW3. "The 80s called and want their foreign policy back" Yukyukyuk this sound bite IMO is what pushed Obama ahead after his terrible debate performance and here we are |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 11:01:20 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, that’s fine. I’d argue our land and air part of the triad are extremely vulnerable now that missile technology has advanced accuracy so much. They don’t have 1nm CEPs anymore. I’d move to a mobile system with lots of MIRVs. If we are going to keep that leg of the triad it needs modernized. All we need to do is take out moscow and st petersburg, and russia is toast. Take out two cities here, and we could continue on. We don't even need icbm's to do it. They can't stop the drones Ukraine is sending, how could they begin to stop a few F35 missions? |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 11:26:10 AM EST
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Whats even more funny is ROTC dropouts talking strategy. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There were a couple loud voices that couldn't even admit that gravity bombs coupled with F-35s changed the equation bigly. Infantry officers and COIN experts talking about the triad is fun. Whats even more funny is ROTC dropouts talking strategy. I don't identify as being an expert in any of those fields... ARF has been full of tardation for a long time. My favorite was a thread several years ago where people said miniature COTS-like drones would never be a big deal.  A lack of imagination is dangerous. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 11:53:30 AM EST
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his thread went from informative to GD bullshit.
I'm out, I think it was derailed on purpose |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 11:55:26 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's still pretty much true for the biggest conventional war currently ongoing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Fuck the air force. Ground launched missiles can do anything jets can do and ICBMs are good enough. -GD, cerca 2015 That's still pretty much true for the biggest conventional war currently ongoing. Is that the one where it's nearly stalemated because neither side can achieve air superiority so they're reduced to using modern missiles like a netflix adaptation of Verdun? |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 11:56:56 AM EST
[#8]
I'd laugh my ass off if they lit that one off at DC and the surrounding areas where all the fed Gov leeches work.
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Posted: 9/2/2023 11:57:41 AM EST
[#9]
Quote HistoryTop ten playlist choice for the great jamboree at jack's truck'n and fuck'n emporium. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 11:59:40 AM EST
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not really. Chernobyl was worse in terms of the amount of radiation released than an h bomb. The H bomb distributes it further maybe just due to injection into the high atmosphere. Altitude of detonation also plays a huge part. A ground detonation is much dirtier than an air burst. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Difference being you can run and hide from a tornado. Tornado shelters can save you and then you rebuild. There's nowhere to run and hide from ICBMs. Only thing we can do if even one of those is launched is pray that it doesn't hit us. There's no rebuilding the world from that. The nuclear fall out from even one going off in Europe would disrupt global food and energy supplies. Technically true. Now include leftist civilian panic and right "they said COVID would kill me" apathy in the equation. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 12:01:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, boys, I reckon this is it - nuclear combat toe to toe with the Roosskies. Can they get in? Under the radar? |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 12:02:17 PM EST
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s quite an over dramatization. One nuke going off isn’t shit. The only thing to worry about is what comes after one nuke being launched. Does everyone fire off their entire arsenal? Time to start praying. But I am le tiréd. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 12:02:20 PM EST
[#13]
We’re going to need to send more money.
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Posted: 9/2/2023 12:04:06 PM EST
[#14]
I am on the short end of my work trajectory so I say fuck it-let’s get this party started. I’ll buy the first round.
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Posted: 9/2/2023 12:15:19 PM EST
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: his thread went from informative to GD bullshit. I'm out, I think it was derailed on purpose It never wasn't GD bullshit. Unfortunately those who talk don't know and those who know don't talk. I'm referring to myself as an idiot, for the record. The stuff I do know I can't/won't post and I expect thats the same of everyone else who knows even a little. The other side is we'll never know if all the theories and calculus is right or true until it happens and then it won't matter. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 12:16:30 PM EST
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: But I am le tiréd. Alright, then take a nap. Then fire zee missiles! |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 12:21:17 PM EST
[#17]
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Posted: 9/2/2023 12:22:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Alright, then take a nap. Then fire zee missiles! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: But I am le tiréd. Alright, then take a nap. Then fire zee missiles! Wtf mate |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 12:25:22 PM EST
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Quoted: Putin has placed the world's most powerful Armageddon nuclear rocket dubbed Satan-2 on combat duty in a haunting new threat to the West. The Armageddon weapon is 116 feet in length and can be loaded with 15 light nuclear warheads at once. "It is capable of destroying an area the size of Texas or England. A single launch, Boris, and there is no England anymore. Once and for all." Despite the threats, the first and only known full-scale test of Satan-2 was announced to great fanfare as soon as it took place on 20 April 2022, with Putin in touch by video-link. The following month, close Putin ally Dmitry Rogozin said almost 50 Satan-2 missiles would soon be on combat duty. https://www.the-sun.com/news/8981467/putin-nuke-uk-one-strike-combat-duty-deadly-satan/ Whoever wrote that is a retard and clearly doesn’t LAUGH IN AMERICAN |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 12:30:15 PM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is that the one where it's nearly stalemated because neither side can achieve air superiority so they're reduced to using modern missiles like a netflix adaptation of Verdun? Air being decisive is a dream land believed only at Maxwell. Meanwhile, in reality, there is the fact that fires are what's decisive in a conventional fight. Air gives you some precision delivered fires and ISR. And, there is reality that everyone in the DOD trusts our Air Force so much they've elected to pay for their own. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 12:40:50 PM EST
[#21]
As long as Wash DC is #1,2 and 3 ground zero, I’m strangely ok with it.
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Posted: 9/2/2023 12:42:01 PM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh looks, it's more war mongering and fear porn form another british tabloid.... UK is a pipsqueek irrelevant country that has been over run by the mohamadans....their opinion is meaningless Missiles point at the same direction for last 80 years are still pointing in the same direction....BFD dude Your forgetting a solid chunk of Arf beats their dicks raw to fear porn all God damned day. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 12:49:39 PM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: All good questions, I would argue if we have them and the Russians change readiness posture, we should do the same. If they have weapons on the ready, we should too. Relying on manned bombers in this high tech world is foolish, Same with relying on cruise missiles getting in unobserved, although I still have some faith in that, the limfac with subs is the comm. Can that be denied? My guess is yes. We should not leave any part of the force non-responsive if Russia has increased their readiness we should not just match that but exceed it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: With real time satellite imagery, and instant targeting updates, I don’t see what difference that makes. Even if they could change location fast enough to survive, which I doubt, if Russian launches are detected, many years ago it was about confirmation of enemy launches that was the limfac I can tell you, launch confirmation is instantaneous and target confirmation shortly there after. We see launches, we launch. The weapons will survive because they will be airborne. They don’t have to move location waiting on attack confirmation, just on the launch authorization, which granted may not be in time. But do we launch within the 30 minute window that those silos have to live? We are not on hair trigger alert anymore. I’ve worked at one the the CoNUS “CONS” and I do not believe our response would be given within that window. That would leave a handful of alert bombers that got airborne and our SSBNs. Is that enough? Probably. But then, why have the land part of the triad? All good questions, I would argue if we have them and the Russians change readiness posture, we should do the same. If they have weapons on the ready, we should too. Relying on manned bombers in this high tech world is foolish, Same with relying on cruise missiles getting in unobserved, although I still have some faith in that, the limfac with subs is the comm. Can that be denied? My guess is yes. We should not leave any part of the force non-responsive if Russia has increased their readiness we should not just match that but exceed it. Putin made a theatrical TV presentation of ordering the commander of his Strategic Rocket Forces to a higher state of readiness when the Ukraine war kicked off. Shortly thereafter I had a USAF officer from one of our Minutemen III ICBM bases in my office, and I asked him if he’d seen any changes in our posture since Putin’s orders. “No, we’re ALWAYS at a high state of readiness”. Not that I will EVER underestimate our adversaries because that’s the kind of stupidity you see here in GD, but my interpretation of Putin’s orders were more of a “do your job as the commanding general”, meaning “crack the whip” on subordinates to ensure they’re doing the job they get paid to do. Maybe I’m out to lunch but he has to know we will end him, his family and Russia hard if he initiates an exchange. He knows our systems work, and he’s had some disappointing failures. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 12:52:36 PM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: All we need to do is take out moscow and st petersburg, and russia is toast. Take out two cities here, and we could continue on. We don't even need icbm's to do it. They can't stop the drones Ukraine is sending, how could they begin to stop a few F35 missions? If you hit strategic infrastructure Russian doctrine us quite clear on the outcome. Also, their IADS system is "turned off" essentially which is why drones have no trouble. We won't risk F35's until a certain pertentage of their air defense is down. I cant go any further than that. The US will not recover when DC, LA, NYC, Houston, and Miami are hit. And they will be destroyed if Moscow is touched. All the wargames show that Russia will use a "demonstration" nuke over one of its seas. That is the moment that Washington needs to understand that the brinkmanship is over |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 12:52:54 PM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It never wasn't GD bullshit. Unfortunately those who talk don't know and those who know don't talk. I'm referring to myself as an idiot, for the record. The stuff I do know I can't/won't post and I expect thats the same of everyone else who knows even a little. The other side is we'll never know if all the theories and calculus is right or true until it happens and then it won't matter. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: his thread went from informative to GD bullshit. I'm out, I think it was derailed on purpose It never wasn't GD bullshit. Unfortunately those who talk don't know and those who know don't talk. I'm referring to myself as an idiot, for the record. The stuff I do know I can't/won't post and I expect thats the same of everyone else who knows even a little. The other side is we'll never know if all the theories and calculus is right or true until it happens and then it won't matter. Everyone woke up as a nuclear arsenal expert this morning? |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 12:54:09 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Your forgetting a solid chunk of Arf beats their dicks raw to fear porn all God damned day. When life becomes a boring unending cycle of working to support a society that actively detests you then the end of that world can become downright appealing. Even if you do run the risk of being cut in 2 by a chainsaw wielding maniac in leather bondage gear. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 12:54:29 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s a lotta boom |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 1:01:22 PM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Air being decisive is a dream land believed only at Maxwell. Meanwhile, in reality, there is the fact that fires are what's decisive in a conventional fight. Air gives you some precision delivered fires and ISR. And, there is reality that everyone in the DOD trusts our Air Force so much they've elected to pay for their own. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Is that the one where it's nearly stalemated because neither side can achieve air superiority so they're reduced to using modern missiles like a netflix adaptation of Verdun? Air being decisive is a dream land believed only at Maxwell. Meanwhile, in reality, there is the fact that fires are what's decisive in a conventional fight. Air gives you some precision delivered fires and ISR. And, there is reality that everyone in the DOD trusts our Air Force so much they've elected to pay for their own. Both accurate points and the implied point is too. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 1:04:45 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If you hit strategic infrastructure Russian doctrine us quite clear on the outcome. Also, their IADS system is "turned off" essentially which is why drones have no trouble. We won't risk F35's until a certain pertentage of their air defense is down. I cant go any further than that. The US will not recover when DC, LA, NYC, Houston, and Miami are hit. And they will be destroyed if Moscow is touched. All the wargames show that Russia will use a "demonstration" nuke over one of its seas. That is the moment that Washington needs to understand that the brinkmanship is over Will they be hit? What if Suter? We need their IADS on. Of fuck you're gonna make me build a bigger bunker. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 1:05:59 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Everyone woke up as a nuclear arsenal expert this morning? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: his thread went from informative to GD bullshit. I'm out, I think it was derailed on purpose It never wasn't GD bullshit. Unfortunately those who talk don't know and those who know don't talk. I'm referring to myself as an idiot, for the record. The stuff I do know I can't/won't post and I expect thats the same of everyone else who knows even a little. The other side is we'll never know if all the theories and calculus is right or true until it happens and then it won't matter. Everyone woke up as a nuclear arsenal expert this morning? Well the submersible market is down and the second breakfast I mean COVID is boring so we can't be vaccine and virology experts, so this will have to do. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 1:07:00 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: When life becomes a boring unending cycle of working to support a society that actively detests you then the end of that world can become downright appealing. Even if it does run the risk of being cut in 2 by a chainsaw wielding maniac in leather bondage gear. But there's also a chance you get to be the two chainsaw wielding maniac cutting your enemies in half. You have to think positive. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 1:09:02 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: But there's also a chance you get to be the two chainsaw wielding maniac cutting your enemies in half. You have to think positive. Yes there is that. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 1:12:41 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: But there's also a chance you get to be the two chainsaw wielding maniac cutting your enemies in half. You have to think positive. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: When life becomes a boring unending cycle of working to support a society that actively detests you then the end of that world can become downright appealing. Even if it does run the risk of being cut in 2 by a chainsaw wielding maniac in leather bondage gear. But there's also a chance you get to be the two chainsaw wielding maniac cutting your enemies in half. You have to think positive. 
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Posted: 9/2/2023 1:12:47 PM EST
[#34]
Let's get the nuclear attack and surprise Russian invasion from the south started while I'm young enough to stop be able to rough it and yell. WOLVERINES!!
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Posted: 9/2/2023 1:19:15 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Let's get the nuclear attack and surprise Russian invasion from the south started while I'm young enough to stop be able to rough it and yell. WOLVERINES!! If you're old enough to rally to WOLVERINES!, you aren't young enough to be able to rough it. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 1:19:57 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not really. Chernobyl was worse in terms of the amount of radiation released than an h bomb. The H bomb distributes it further maybe just due to injection into the high atmosphere. Altitude of detonation also plays a huge part. A ground detonation is much dirtier than an air burst. Interesting tid-bit I read today: wild boar in Germany contain dangerous levels of Cesium in their meat. Between Chernobyl and the nuke testing by the soviets back in the day, there are areas where it has soaked into the ground. It is at safe levels and doesn't normally pose a threat. However, the boars root and dig truffles that have sequestered the isotope. Over time the levels build up into their bodies where they now pose a health risk to anyone eating boars from Germany. 
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Posted: 9/2/2023 1:26:23 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting tid-bit I read today: wild boar in Germany contain dangerous levels of Cesium in their meat. Between Chernobyl and the nuke testing by the soviets back in the day, there are areas where it has soaked into the ground. It is at safe levels and doesn't normally pose a threat. However, the boars root and dig truffles that have sequestered the isotope. Over time the levels build up into their bodies where they now pose a health risk to anyone eating boars from Germany. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not really. Chernobyl was worse in terms of the amount of radiation released than an h bomb. The H bomb distributes it further maybe just due to injection into the high atmosphere. Altitude of detonation also plays a huge part. A ground detonation is much dirtier than an air burst. Interesting tid-bit I read today: wild boar in Germany contain dangerous levels of Cesium in their meat. Between Chernobyl and the nuke testing by the soviets back in the day, there are areas where it has soaked into the ground. It is at safe levels and doesn't normally pose a threat. However, the boars root and dig truffles that have sequestered the isotope. Over time the levels build up into their bodies where they now pose a health risk to anyone eating boars from Germany. They consider soda unhealthy and monkey pox transmission healthy, don't listen to their BS. Nukes never hurt anyone, we'd be fine. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 1:29:27 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Good. Let’s settle this once and for all. With the direction our country is currently headed—I’m not sure Satan-2 is so bad…. I’m still in the other first Satan thread…. Russian commies with traditional family values & work ethic vs American commies with gender-fluid pedophilia & universal income for all irrespective of contribution to The Party…. Tough call, comrade. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 1:42:16 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: All we need to do is take out moscow and st petersburg, and russia is toast. Take out two cities here, and we could continue on. We don't even need icbm's to do it. They can't stop the drones Ukraine is sending, how could they begin to stop a few F35 missions? F35’s  You do this with subs and land based missiles not small jets |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 1:44:09 PM EST
[#40]
Well, I grew up next to Aldermaston and Greenham Common so the fucks I could give are limited.
I guess if he launches it beats rotting away in an old folks home
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Posted: 9/2/2023 1:53:18 PM EST
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Posted: 9/2/2023 1:53:53 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yawn. I grew up in the 80s, I’m completely numb to “OMG the Russians are going to nuke us!!1!” at this point. Srsly |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 1:58:26 PM EST
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Posted: 9/2/2023 2:10:45 PM EST
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Posted: 9/2/2023 2:26:58 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think most in the Uke threads understand just how paranoid (with good reason, millions and millions dead going back to the Mongols) Russia is. If Russia is being driven back to the Russian border and NATO/US in involved (which they would have to be for that to happen) things are going to get sporty. L O L Most in the main Uke thread DO understand how paranoid & narcissistic the Russians are…much more than you posit. At the current rate of progress the Ukrainians don’t need NATO nor US direct involvement, just continued material & ammunition support. Why do posters like you constantly squawk about the number of Russian warheads but conveniently overlook the methods of delivery? Not every Russian warhead is pointed at the US either… What about interception systems, countermeasures, and so on? How many Russian technical troops are even left after being gutted as infantry meat cubes for Ukraine? All the US needs to do is assure the Russians that MOSCOW & St Petersburg are primary retaliatory targets and Russia will cease to exist in the event of a nuclear exchange. Putin loves to rattle sabers but isn’t that stupid; as others have pointed out, he wants to assure his offspring & family members a survivable future & any involvement of nuclear weapons negates that entirely. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 2:41:39 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: With the direction our country is currently headed—I’m not sure Satan-2 is so bad…. I’m still in the other first Satan thread…. Russian commies with traditional family values & work ethic vs American commies with gender-fluid pedophilia & universal income for all irrespective of contribution to The Party…. Tough call, comrade. Something tells me you don't know much about Russia |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 2:44:57 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah....not impressed. We developed an ICBM so fucking scary (M-X, later the Peacekeeper), there was a disarmament treaty specifically written to ban it, leaving the olde school Minuteman in service. We know Russia has lots of nukes, and they (probably) work....so this changes nothing. 
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Posted: 9/2/2023 2:47:21 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Uh...we signed plenty of strategic arms agreements with the RF. Treaties with the now-existing RF? Sure. Treaties with the Soviet Union from the 1970s? Fuck that. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 3:11:07 PM EST
[#49]
It got the name Satan 2 because the media calls it that.
Nobody else calls it that. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 4:34:21 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Make Ukraine Glow Again? {We're not advocating for the nuking of American cities. -Z} |
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