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Posted: 6/2/2016 11:33:50 AM EDT
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100% of the time, if there is an arrest there MUST be a report. There is no dept that this is not SOP and if there is one where you can arrest without a report, I'd be astonished. You'd be putting yourself out there for big lawsuit and case law with your name written all over it. Your #1 goal as a police officer, or at least mine was, was to not have any case law with my name in it anywhere. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is it safe to assume that anytime someone is arrested that you guys fill out an incident report? 100% of the time, if there is an arrest there MUST be a report. There is no dept that this is not SOP and if there is one where you can arrest without a report, I'd be astonished. You'd be putting yourself out there for big lawsuit and case law with your name written all over it. Your #1 goal as a police officer, or at least mine was, was to not have any case law with my name in it anywhere. Apparently from this thread there are places that can arrest for PI and it does not generate a report. |
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Posted: 6/2/2016 11:35:41 AM EDT
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If I unass my seat because someone asked me to (like a call for service or I see a suspicious situation myself) I write an incident report.
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Posted: 6/2/2016 11:37:18 AM EDT
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All of that happened with the exception of the bonding out part, I was released a few hours after I was admitted. I was very angry when it happened but I am over it now. I still trying to piece together exactly what happened that day. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ugh, if anything force related happened during a call, I wrote a report. If my gun, tazer, or mace left the holster I was writing a report. It was covering my ass. If you had a tazer drawn on you, cuffs hit your wrists, you went downtown and we're later released or especially bonded out, there had to have been a report. If there wasn't one, someone colossally fucked up. All of that happened with the exception of the bonding out part, I was released a few hours after I was admitted. I was very angry when it happened but I am over it now. I still trying to piece together exactly what happened that day. Oh Yeah, there is a report on it somewhere. |
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Posted: 6/2/2016 1:00:51 PM EDT
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Depends on state, county and department policies.
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Posted: 6/2/2016 1:03:02 PM EDT
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We have gone the full circle thing. From every call has to have a formal written report to only criminal cases get a report. My lawyer said you have to take my report. Your lawyer can pound sand. Especially on civil matters. 
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Posted: 6/2/2016 1:07:08 PM EDT
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I was at a complaint the other day, lady has her lawyer on the phone, My lawyer says you have to make an arrest. Tell your lawyer to come here and make a citizen arrest then. Crickets. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We have gone the full circle thing. From every call has to have a formal written report to only criminal cases get a report. My lawyer said you have to take my report. Your lawyer can pound sand. This is one of my favorites. I was at a complaint the other day, lady has her lawyer on the phone, My lawyer says you have to make an arrest. Tell your lawyer to come here and make a citizen arrest then. Crickets. "You have to give me a restraining order" "First, I have go through the application with you. You getting one is up to the judge. Second, we don't take them during normal business hours, you need to go to the county for them" "But, that's not what my lawyer said" "Your lawyer is wrong" |
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Posted: 6/2/2016 1:08:10 PM EDT
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100% of the time, if there is an arrest there MUST be a report. There is no dept that this is not SOP and if there is one where you can arrest without a report, I'd be astonished. You'd be putting yourself out there for big lawsuit and case law with your name written all over it. Your #1 goal as a police officer, or at least mine was, was to not have any case law with my name in it anywhere. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is it safe to assume that anytime someone is arrested that you guys fill out an incident report? 100% of the time, if there is an arrest there MUST be a report. There is no dept that this is not SOP and if there is one where you can arrest without a report, I'd be astonished. You'd be putting yourself out there for big lawsuit and case law with your name written all over it. Your #1 goal as a police officer, or at least mine was, was to not have any case law with my name in it anywhere. Out of over 18,000 LE agencies in the United States (not counting the federal agencies,) that seems a pretty bold assertion. |
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Posted: 6/2/2016 1:09:13 PM EDT
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Meh. If I want someone arrested, I'll just go swear out the warrant myself.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I was at a complaint the other day, lady has her lawyer on the phone, My lawyer says you have to make an arrest. Tell your lawyer to come here and make a citizen arrest then. Crickets. Meh. If I want someone arrested, I'll just go swear out the warrant myself. Warrant? 
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Posted: 6/2/2016 1:14:14 PM EDT
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I was at a complaint the other day, lady has her lawyer on the phone, My lawyer says you have to make an arrest. Tell your lawyer to come here and make a citizen arrest then. Crickets. Meh. If I want someone arrested, I'll just go swear out the warrant myself. Warrant? Yes. At least in some states, including mine, anyone can go to a magistrate and swear out a criminal complaint, which the magistrate then relies upon to issue an arrest warrant for whatever charge(s) are supported by PC based on the complaint. It's a useful tool for dealing with assholes. It's also a risky move for the uneducated, or people who like to make things up, because it can backfire horribly on you in the form of perjury/false report charges, and lawsuits for abuse of process or malicious prosecution. I've done it exactly twice, and I made damn sure I had every piece of it locked up before I did it. I've also been involved (as a lawyer, not a party) in lawsuits resulting from questionable warrant applications. |
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Posted: 6/2/2016 1:23:03 PM EDT
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Yes. At least in some states, including mine, anyone can go to a magistrate and swear out a criminal complaint, which the magistrate then relies upon to issue an arrest warrant for whatever charge(s) are supported by PC based on the complaint. It's a useful tool for dealing with assholes. It's also a risky move for the uneducated, or people who like to make things up, because it can backfire horribly on you in the form of perjury/false report charges, and lawsuits for abuse of process or malicious prosecution. I've done it exactly twice, and I made damn sure I had every piece of it locked up before I did it. I've also been involved (as a lawyer, not a party) in lawsuits resulting from questionable warrant applications. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I was at a complaint the other day, lady has her lawyer on the phone, My lawyer says you have to make an arrest. Tell your lawyer to come here and make a citizen arrest then. Crickets. Meh. If I want someone arrested, I'll just go swear out the warrant myself. Warrant? Yes. At least in some states, including mine, anyone can go to a magistrate and swear out a criminal complaint, which the magistrate then relies upon to issue an arrest warrant for whatever charge(s) are supported by PC based on the complaint. It's a useful tool for dealing with assholes. It's also a risky move for the uneducated, or people who like to make things up, because it can backfire horribly on you in the form of perjury/false report charges, and lawsuits for abuse of process or malicious prosecution. I've done it exactly twice, and I made damn sure I had every piece of it locked up before I did it. I've also been involved (as a lawyer, not a party) in lawsuits resulting from questionable warrant applications. Do they issue bail or is it just mailed to them to appear? |
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Posted: 6/2/2016 1:27:27 PM EDT
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I live in a large, affluent county. Calls come in they at the very least have the number it came from. Most of the time their is a plethora of information on file for even the most mundane calls. Arrest that end up in jail = a fuck ton of documentation. A much smaller and poorer county next to mine: A call very well may be initiated by someone texting the officers phone. The trip to jail might generate the one page of poorly spelled hand written notes. A good friend of mine who is a large metro police officer got a PI in this referenced county and taken to jail as he quietly watched his kids basketball game. The ex wife texted the officer who then arrested my friend. He was not drunk by any stretch of the imagination, nor was he being belligerent. But in Texas you don't have to be any of the above to get arrested for PI. As I said in the deleted thread, the punishment for PI is the arrest itself. This is obviously very traumatic for a life long good guy as well as embarrassing. The fine is nothing and the record gives one no lasting legal or social disability. It is my opinion that the Texas PI is the "put someone in jail for free card" and the municipal judges that handle these are complicit with it. Not having an incident report gave the judge and PD a perfect out for making this go away. After all, "putting you in your place", and embarrassing you was the goal and had previously been accomplished. Edit: I'm glad the disposition worked out well for you. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I live in a large, affluent county. Calls come in they at the very least have the number it came from. Most of the time their is a plethora of information on file for even the most mundane calls. Arrest that end up in jail = a fuck ton of documentation. A much smaller and poorer county next to mine: A call very well may be initiated by someone texting the officers phone. The trip to jail might generate the one page of poorly spelled hand written notes. A good friend of mine who is a large metro police officer got a PI in this referenced county and taken to jail as he quietly watched his kids basketball game. The ex wife texted the officer who then arrested my friend. He was not drunk by any stretch of the imagination, nor was he being belligerent. But in Texas you don't have to be any of the above to get arrested for PI. As I said in the deleted thread, the punishment for PI is the arrest itself. This is obviously very traumatic for a life long good guy as well as embarrassing. The fine is nothing and the record gives one no lasting legal or social disability. It is my opinion that the Texas PI is the "put someone in jail for free card" and the municipal judges that handle these are complicit with it. Not having an incident report gave the judge and PD a perfect out for making this go away. After all, "putting you in your place", and embarrassing you was the goal and had previously been accomplished. Edit: I'm glad the disposition worked out well for you. Bull crap. Here is the statue, and if you are going to make an arrest you better be able articulate how the person meets the elements of the offense. Sec. 49.02. PUBLIC INTOXICATION. (a) A person commits an offense if the person appears in a public place while intoxicated to the degree that the person may endanger the person or another.
(a-1) For the purposes of this section, a premises licensed or permitted under the Alcoholic Beverage Code is a public place. (b) It is a defense to prosecution under this section that the alcohol or other substance was administered for therapeutic purposes and as a part of the person's professional medical treatment by a licensed physician. (c) Except as provided by Subsection (e), an offense under this section is a Class C misdemeanor. (d) An offense under this section is not a lesser included offense under Section 49.04. (e) An offense under this section committed by a person younger than 21 years of age is punishable in the same manner as if the minor committed an offense to which Section 106.071, Alcoholic Beverage Code, applies. If your "officer friend" was arrested for PI like you said he was, then he would know that and the lawsuit for the civil rights violation. |
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Posted: 6/2/2016 1:31:52 PM EDT
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Do they issue ball or is it just mailed to them to appear? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yes. At least in some states, including mine, anyone can go to a magistrate and swear out a criminal complaint, which the magistrate then relies upon to issue an arrest warrant for whatever charge(s) are supported by PC based on the complaint. It's a useful tool for dealing with assholes. It's also a risky move for the uneducated, or people who like to make things up, because it can backfire horribly on you in the form of perjury/false report charges, and lawsuits for abuse of process or malicious prosecution. I've done it exactly twice, and I made damn sure I had every piece of it locked up before I did it. I've also been involved (as a lawyer, not a party) in lawsuits resulting from questionable warrant applications. Do they issue ball or is it just mailed to them to appear? Mailed? No. It's served in person just like any other warrant. If it's a minor offense they'll usually just have to sign a promise to appear (like a summons), but if it's a felony they'll be arrested and processed. Class 1/2 misdemeanors I think there is some discretion. |
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Posted: 6/2/2016 1:32:21 PM EDT
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I dont believe you. None of it. But do keep going as one lock doesnt seem to be enough. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is it safe to assume that anytime someone is arrested that you guys fill out an incident report? Nope. Like I said, you are going to have to be way more specific. When I started here, for traffic arrests and most municipal charges arrests, there was no report, just the traffic citation or the municipal court affidavit (looks pretty much just like a traffic ticket.) So, not a safe assumption at all. I had a mishap a few weeks ago with my local PD which ended up with me spending a few hours in jail for alleged PI, I started a thread here and it turned to shit so I asked for it to be locked and deleted. I went to court for this yesterday with my attorney and all my evidence(video and receipts from lunch). I was there for exactly 10 minutes, the prosecutor asked to speak to my attorney and dismissed my case due to there not being an incident report. I guess this just adds to the other really weird events that happened that day, I really figured if an arrest, tazers, and jail was involved that there would be a incident report. I dont believe you. None of it. But do keep going as one lock doesnt seem to be enough. 
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Posted: 6/2/2016 3:11:50 PM EDT
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Apparently from this thread there are places that can arrest for PI and it does not generate a report. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is it safe to assume that anytime someone is arrested that you guys fill out an incident report? 100% of the time, if there is an arrest there MUST be a report. There is no dept that this is not SOP and if there is one where you can arrest without a report, I'd be astonished. You'd be putting yourself out there for big lawsuit and case law with your name written all over it. Your #1 goal as a police officer, or at least mine was, was to not have any case law with my name in it anywhere. Apparently from this thread there are places that can arrest for PI and it does not generate a report. You ever hook someone and not write a report? Better yet, WOULD you hook someone and not write a report? Arresting someone and taking them downtown to be booked is a big deal. To have no record of that is genuine Russian Stasi shit. |
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Posted: 6/2/2016 3:14:57 PM EDT
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Out of over 18,000 LE agencies in the United States (not counting the federal agencies,) that seems a pretty bold assertion. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is it safe to assume that anytime someone is arrested that you guys fill out an incident report? 100% of the time, if there is an arrest there MUST be a report. There is no dept that this is not SOP and if there is one where you can arrest without a report, I'd be astonished. You'd be putting yourself out there for big lawsuit and case law with your name written all over it. Your #1 goal as a police officer, or at least mine was, was to not have any case law with my name in it anywhere. Out of over 18,000 LE agencies in the United States (not counting the federal agencies,) that seems a pretty bold assertion. Any that do are just asking to get the shit sued out of them. When OP starts talking about soft tissue damage in his wrists from the cuffs being too tight and there is no record of his even being arrested, things are going to get REAL fucking ugly. |
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Posted: 6/2/2016 3:16:10 PM EDT
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Do we get to see the video now?
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Posted: 6/2/2016 3:18:04 PM EDT
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We pull a Call For Service number for everything we do. Any calls that go through dispatch to traffic stops.
We only do case reports if a crime was committed and the victim wants to sign complaints against the offender. If a battery occurred, a crime, but both people involved want nothing done then it's simply just a narrative for the Call For Service number. |
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Posted: 6/2/2016 3:19:43 PM EDT
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You ever hook someone and not write a report? Better yet, WOULD you hook someone and not write a report? Arresting someone and taking them downtown to be booked is a big deal. To have no record of that is genuine Russian Stasi shit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is it safe to assume that anytime someone is arrested that you guys fill out an incident report? 100% of the time, if there is an arrest there MUST be a report. There is no dept that this is not SOP and if there is one where you can arrest without a report, I'd be astonished. You'd be putting yourself out there for big lawsuit and case law with your name written all over it. Your #1 goal as a police officer, or at least mine was, was to not have any case law with my name in it anywhere. Apparently from this thread there are places that can arrest for PI and it does not generate a report. You ever hook someone and not write a report? Better yet, WOULD you hook someone and not write a report? Arresting someone and taking them downtown to be booked is a big deal. To have no record of that is genuine Russian Stasi shit. No but it appears some areas do it differently. |
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Posted: 6/2/2016 3:21:09 PM EDT
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Do we get to see the video now? I have been advised/asked to not post the video online. |
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Posted: 6/2/2016 3:23:50 PM EDT
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I remember that thread. I'm surprised there was no report.
I know municipal tickets have an area where you can write a couple sentence narrative. That wouldn't fly in my area though. |
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Posted: 6/2/2016 3:25:41 PM EDT
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Do we get to see the video now? I have advised/asked to not post the video online. Why do I feel like we're being played here? Then post up your copy of the charging documents showing the charge and that it was dismissed. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 6/2/2016 3:27:23 PM EDT
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Why do I feel like we're being played here? Then post up your copy of the charging documents showing the charge and that it was dismissed. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Do we get to see the video now? I have advised/asked to not post the video online. Why do I feel like we're being played here? Then post up your copy of the charging documents showing the charge and that it was dismissed. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Why don't you post up documents with all your personal info on them first? Edit- I have nothing to prove here, I simply asked a question. If you don't want to believe the story then that is your perogative. |
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Posted: 6/2/2016 3:28:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No but it appears some areas do it differently. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Is it safe to assume that anytime someone is arrested that you guys fill out an incident report? 100% of the time, if there is an arrest there MUST be a report. There is no dept that this is not SOP and if there is one where you can arrest without a report, I'd be astonished. You'd be putting yourself out there for big lawsuit and case law with your name written all over it. Your #1 goal as a police officer, or at least mine was, was to not have any case law with my name in it anywhere. Apparently from this thread there are places that can arrest for PI and it does not generate a report. You ever hook someone and not write a report? Better yet, WOULD you hook someone and not write a report? Arresting someone and taking them downtown to be booked is a big deal. To have no record of that is genuine Russian Stasi shit. No but it appears some areas do it differently. Yep. And I'm not sure how you charge someone with a UCR - you generally need a warrant or a ticket or something especially for court proceedings. |
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Posted: 6/2/2016 3:30:38 PM EDT
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Yep. And I'm not sure how you charge someone with a UCR - you generally need a warrant or a ticket or something especially for court proceedings. I did receive a ticket. |
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Posted: 6/2/2016 3:32:51 PM EDT
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Yep. And I'm not sure how you charge someone with a UCR - you generally need a warrant or a ticket or something especially for court proceedings. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No but it appears some areas do it differently. Yep. And I'm not sure how you charge someone with a UCR - you generally need a warrant or a ticket or something especially for court proceedings. It appears some areas use some type of Non-UTC form for PI cases. |
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Posted: 6/2/2016 3:33:13 PM EDT
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Yep. And I'm not sure how you charge someone with a UCR - you generally need a warrant or a ticket or something especially for court proceedings. I did receive a ticket. That's why there is no report. |
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Posted: 6/2/2016 3:36:07 PM EDT
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Yep. And I'm not sure how you charge someone with a UCR - you generally need a warrant or a ticket or something especially for court proceedings. I did receive a ticket. If you received a ticket with a court date the prosecutor should have had the report. But just because they didn't have it, doesn't mean there isn't one. You need to get it from the PD that arrested you. If I arrest you for PI in CA, and don't want to "file charges" on you, I don't have to. You go to jail with orders to release you when you're sober. I don't give the Jail or the Judge a probable cause sheet to hold you. I don't send my report to the DA/Prosecutor. There is a report held by my agency tho. |
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Posted: 6/2/2016 3:37:05 PM EDT
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Yep. And I'm not sure how you charge someone with a UCR - you generally need a warrant or a ticket or something especially for court proceedings. I did receive a ticket. That's why there is no report. When we issue tickets for non-taffic we write a report. But we would never write a ticket for PI. We book you on it. |
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Posted: 6/2/2016 3:37:30 PM EDT
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Yep. And I'm not sure how you charge someone with a UCR - you generally need a warrant or a ticket or something especially for court proceedings. I did receive a ticket. That's why there is no report. Ok that makes sense, but in court when my attorney asked the prosecutor for the "incident report" she said she didn't have one and after a another minute or so of discussion the charge was dropped. My intent for this thread was to ask you guys who do this for a living if that was normal. |
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Posted: 6/2/2016 3:40:28 PM EDT
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If you received a ticket with a court date the prosecutor should have had the report. But just because they didn't have it, doesn't mean there isn't one. You need to get it from the PD that arrested you. If I arrest you for PI in CA, and don't want to "file charges" on you, I don't have to. You go to jail with orders to release you when you're sober. I don't give the Jail or the Judge a probable cause sheet to hold you. I don't send my report to the DA/Prosecutor. There is a report held by my agency tho. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yep. And I'm not sure how you charge someone with a UCR - you generally need a warrant or a ticket or something especially for court proceedings. I did receive a ticket. If you received a ticket with a court date the prosecutor should have had the report. But just because they didn't have it, doesn't mean there isn't one. You need to get it from the PD that arrested you. If I arrest you for PI in CA, and don't want to "file charges" on you, I don't have to. You go to jail with orders to release you when you're sober. I don't give the Jail or the Judge a probable cause sheet to hold you. I don't send my report to the DA/Prosecutor. There is a report held by my agency tho. I didn't have a copy of the ticket when I went to jail or even when I got out. The local PD took 4 days to get me a copy of it(I actually went to the city court to get it). I didn't even sign the ticket, in the place where I was supposed to sign it says "Instanter". |
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Posted: 6/2/2016 3:41:10 PM EDT
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We don't have public intox here but we do have disorderly conduct. We call it a society crime where society is the victim rather than a specific individual. We would issue a criminal citation (or more likely book you into jail) and the narrative/elements of the crime would be on the ticket or booking report and either one of those would stand alone.
The ticket would require a court date and those booked would see a judge the next day. If there was no citation or booking report I don't see how you could have even ended up with a court time/date. ::edit:: Just saw that you were cited. That explains it. That IS the report most likely. |
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Posted: 6/2/2016 3:42:58 PM EDT
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I didn't have a copy of the ticket when I went to jail or even when I got out. The local PD took 4 days to get me a copy of it(I actually went to the city court to get it). I didn't even sign the ticket, in the place where I was supposed to sign it says "Instanter". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yep. And I'm not sure how you charge someone with a UCR - you generally need a warrant or a ticket or something especially for court proceedings. I did receive a ticket. If you received a ticket with a court date the prosecutor should have had the report. But just because they didn't have it, doesn't mean there isn't one. You need to get it from the PD that arrested you. If I arrest you for PI in CA, and don't want to "file charges" on you, I don't have to. You go to jail with orders to release you when you're sober. I don't give the Jail or the Judge a probable cause sheet to hold you. I don't send my report to the DA/Prosecutor. There is a report held by my agency tho. I didn't have a copy of the ticket when I went to jail or even when I got out. The local PD took 4 days to get me a copy of it(I actually went to the city court to get it). I didn't even sign the ticket, in the place where I was supposed to sign it says "Instanter". Post a photo of this document with your personal info redacted and we can solve this mystery real quick. |
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Posted: 6/2/2016 3:44:08 PM EDT
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We don't have public intox here but we do have disorderly conduct. We call it a society crime where society is the victim rather than a specific individual. We would issue a criminal citation (or more likely book you into jail) and the narrative/elements of the crime would be on the ticket or booking report and either one of those would stand alone. The ticket would require a court date and those booked would see a judge the next day. If there was no citation or booking report I don't see how you could have even ended up with a court time/date. ::edit:: Just saw that you were cited. That explains it. That IS the report most likely. My ticket did not have the court info on it. When released from the jail I was given a promise to appear notice. |
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Posted: 6/2/2016 3:51:54 PM EDT
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Why don't you post up documents with all your personal info on them first? Edit- I have nothing to prove here, I simply asked a question. If you don't want to believe the story then that is your perogative. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Do we get to see the video now? I have advised/asked to not post the video online. Why do I feel like we're being played here? Then post up your copy of the charging documents showing the charge and that it was dismissed. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Why don't you post up documents with all your personal info on them first? Edit- I have nothing to prove here, I simply asked a question. If you don't want to believe the story then that is your perogative. I'm not the one who claimed he would post the video of the alleged interaction once the case was disposed of and then decided not to do it. Redact your personal information and post it. Or send it to Bamashooter. He will keep your identity protected if that's what you are afraid of. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 6/2/2016 3:53:10 PM EDT
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All of that happened with the exception of the bonding out part, I was released a few hours after I was admitted. I was very angry when it happened but I am over it now. I still trying to piece together exactly what happened that day. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ugh, if anything force related happened during a call, I wrote a report. If my gun, tazer, or mace left the holster I was writing a report. It was covering my ass. If you had a tazer drawn on you, cuffs hit your wrists, you went downtown and we're later released or especially bonded out, there had to have been a report. If there wasn't one, someone colossally fucked up. All of that happened with the exception of the bonding out part, I was released a few hours after I was admitted. I was very angry when it happened but I am over it now. I still trying to piece together exactly what happened that day. Was it MCSD? Or a city cop? EDIT - Looks like city. Never mind |
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Posted: 6/2/2016 3:54:04 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/2/2016 3:55:46 PM EDT
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I'm not the one who claimed he would post the video of the alleged interaction once the case was disposed of and then decided not to do it. Redact your personal information and post it. Or send it to Bamashooter. He will keep your identity protected if that's what you are afraid of. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Do we get to see the video now? I have advised/asked to not post the video online. Why do I feel like we're being played here? Then post up your copy of the charging documents showing the charge and that it was dismissed. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Why don't you post up documents with all your personal info on them first? Edit- I have nothing to prove here, I simply asked a question. If you don't want to believe the story then that is your perogative. I'm not the one who claimed he would post the video of the alleged interaction once the case was disposed of and then decided not to do it. Redact your personal information and post it. Or send it to Bamashooter. He will keep your identity protected if that's what you are afraid of. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Good point, case is dead so let's see the video. No reason not to now based on your previous posts 
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Posted: 6/2/2016 4:09:48 PM EDT
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Ok that makes sense, but in court when my attorney asked the prosecutor for the "incident report" she said she didn't have one and after a another minute or so of discussion the charge was dropped. My intent for this thread was to ask you guys who do this for a living if that was normal. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yep. And I'm not sure how you charge someone with a UCR - you generally need a warrant or a ticket or something especially for court proceedings. I did receive a ticket. That's why there is no report. Ok that makes sense, but in court when my attorney asked the prosecutor for the "incident report" she said she didn't have one and after a another minute or so of discussion the charge was dropped. My intent for this thread was to ask you guys who do this for a living if that was normal. "I don't have an incident report" is not the same as " no incident reoprt was made". It is a great way for the prosecutor to nolle a case they don't want to pursue. Should something come up later the incident report will magically appear. Fairly common practice in my city. 41 years active LEO, retired last July. Edit: GD can be brutal. Need a thick skin to survive here. |
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Posted: 6/2/2016 4:20:47 PM EDT
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Good point, case is dead so let's see the video. No reason not to now based on your previous posts My attorney advised against posting the video and causing myself further problems with the local PD. |
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Posted: 6/2/2016 4:25:02 PM EDT
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I'm not the one who claimed he would post the video of the alleged interaction once the case was disposed of and then decided not to do it. Redact your personal information and post it. Or send it to Bamashooter. He will keep your identity protected if that's what you are afraid of. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Do we get to see the video now? I have advised/asked to not post the video online. Why do I feel like we're being played here? Then post up your copy of the charging documents showing the charge and that it was dismissed. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Why don't you post up documents with all your personal info on them first? Edit- I have nothing to prove here, I simply asked a question. If you don't want to believe the story then that is your perogative. I'm not the one who claimed he would post the video of the alleged interaction once the case was disposed of and then decided not to do it. Redact your personal information and post it. Or send it to Bamashooter. He will keep your identity protected if that's what you are afraid of. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I have already explained as to why the video wont be posted. What does me posting the ticket accomplish? |
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Posted: 6/2/2016 4:31:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/2/2016 4:35:16 PM EDT
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Ok that makes sense, but in court when my attorney asked the prosecutor for the "incident report" she said she didn't have one and after a another minute or so of discussion the charge was dropped. My intent for this thread was to ask you guys who do this for a living if that was normal. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 6/2/2016 4:37:55 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/2/2016 4:40:29 PM EDT
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Lol. Our asst chief used to threaten us by saying that we would have to write a report every time we opened our car door.
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Posted: 6/2/2016 4:41:40 PM EDT
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Now that the case is closed, you should be able to file a FOIA request and get a copy of the report. Be prepared to wait a couple of weeks for them to 'research and copy' the paperwork.
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Posted: 6/2/2016 4:45:49 PM EDT
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https://www.ok.gov/osbi/documents/NIBRS1.pdf
https://www.ok.gov/osbi/documents/NIBRS1.pdf These get filled out any time we take action for the most part. Few exceptions. The term "Officer's Information" is a good catch all for anything that does not fit a criminal criteria. |
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Posted: 6/2/2016 4:46:13 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/2/2016 4:46:56 PM EDT
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Now that the case is closed, you should be able to file a FOIA request and get a copy of the report. Be prepared to wait a couple of weeks for them to 'research and copy' the paperwork. His attorney should have gotten it prior to the meeting through discovery. |
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Posted: 6/2/2016 4:47:47 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/2/2016 4:48:52 PM EDT
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Now that the case is closed, you should be able to file a FOIA request and get a copy of the report. Be prepared to wait a couple of weeks for them to 'research and copy' the paperwork. His attorney should have gotten it prior to the meeting through discovery. Agreed. In this case it appears that there is a reason the prosecutor's office didn't want to produce it. If I were the OP, I would want a copy too. The more they hide it, the more it heightens my curiosity. |
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