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Link Posted: 6/13/2018 8:12:25 PM EDT
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It's not over until the fat lady sings !!
Link Posted: 6/13/2018 8:13:27 PM EDT
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Let's think about that for a minute, shall we?
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Note to next generation Rover designers...

It would be Boss to have a System to clear dust off those solar panels...
Maybe some fans
Let's think about that for a minute, shall we?
Link Posted: 6/13/2018 8:15:57 PM EDT
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Nah, Mars has a limited atmosphere that will eventually degrade it, and I'm pretty sure that when our sun goes red giant, Mars is toast.

Now, the voyager probes?  Estimates on the life of the golden record are that it may last several billion years.

Realistically, we will eventually get there and put these things a martian museum.
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Indeed, I forgot about the sun.  lol.  Won't be here forever.  Long-ass time though.

I hope we do get up there and get the rover back but you never know.
Link Posted: 6/13/2018 8:19:11 PM EDT
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I have an idea. The solar cells could be mounted on a long trianglar “tubes” that could rotate on the long axis. The top face exposed, bottom 2 faces covered by enclosure below them. If top face gets duty just rotate to expose clean cells.  The rotation could brush against some bristles.

Have enough of them and you could rotate individual tubes to clean without disrupting power.
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I always thought the Rovers needed a dust brush (like a windshield wiper) to keep the panels clean.  They don't have one?

And didn't a dust storm blow the dust off a rover once,  allowing it to recharge?
I have an idea. The solar cells could be mounted on a long trianglar “tubes” that could rotate on the long axis. The top face exposed, bottom 2 faces covered by enclosure below them. If top face gets duty just rotate to expose clean cells.  The rotation could brush against some bristles.

Have enough of them and you could rotate individual tubes to clean without disrupting power.
That means at least one more servo, cuz redundant
So more weight more power used

It can be done I’m sure

It’s amazing the distance the comms reach
Link Posted: 6/13/2018 8:22:07 PM EDT
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I wonder if there is enough atmosphere for a flying drone/rover combo?  Would less gravity make up the difference?  Am I talking out of my ass?
Link Posted: 6/13/2018 8:27:22 PM EDT
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I wonder if there is enough atmosphere for a flying drone/rover combo?  Would less gravity make up the difference?  Am I talking out of my ass?
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No, "skycrane" was thing though. It was a device above the thing to be landed that had rockets on it. It fired at the last minute to slow the desent, then disconnected once the probe was on the ground, flew off and crashed. It's an alternative to the airbag landing.
Link Posted: 6/13/2018 8:32:57 PM EDT
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No, "skycrane" was thing though. It was a device above the thing to be landed that had rockets on it.  It fired at the last minute to slow the desent, then disconnected once the probe was on the ground, flew off and crashed.  It's an alternative to the airbag landing.
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I wonder if there is enough atmosphere for a flying drone/rover combo?  Would less gravity make up the difference?  Am I talking out of my ass?
No, "skycrane" was thing though. It was a device above the thing to be landed that had rockets on it.  It fired at the last minute to slow the desent, then disconnected once the probe was on the ground, flew off and crashed.  It's an alternative to the airbag landing.
There was a huge sigh of relief when that actually worked.

Not least of which because the wheels are made from Titanium that was supplied by a company that had its top management go to prison for falsifying test results.

They did extra drop testing, but still....
Link Posted: 6/13/2018 8:34:33 PM EDT
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There was a huge sigh of relief when that actually worked.

Not least of which because the wheels are made from Titanium that was supplied by a company that had its top management go to prison for falsifying test results.

They did extra drop testing, but still....
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Western Titanium?
Link Posted: 6/13/2018 8:35:30 PM EDT
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Western Titanium?
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There was a huge sigh of relief when that actually worked.

Not least of which because the wheels are made from Titanium that was supplied by a company that had its top management go to prison for falsifying test results.

They did extra drop testing, but still....


Western Titanium?
You betcha.
Link Posted: 6/13/2018 8:35:55 PM EDT
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"My buick is over 30 years old and it didn't cost millions of dollars! What a waste! MUST BE NICE SPENDING OUR MONEY NASA! TYPICAL GOVERNMENT!
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Link Posted: 6/13/2018 8:38:06 PM EDT
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Whether we wanted it or not, we've stepped into a war with the Cabal on Mars!


Link Posted: 6/13/2018 8:43:43 PM EDT
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No, "skycrane" was thing though. It was a device above the thing to be landed that had rockets on it. It fired at the last minute to slow the desent, then disconnected once the probe was on the ground, flew off and crashed. It's an alternative to the airbag landing.
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I watched that thing land live at like 1 or 2 am.  It was absolutely amazing.  What an experience.  In 54 years, the wonders I've seen.
Link Posted: 6/13/2018 8:46:56 PM EDT
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Nice, now no more Rovers... next-Attachment Attached File
Link Posted: 6/13/2018 8:47:16 PM EDT
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I watched that thing land live at like 1 or 2 am.  It was absolutely amazing.  What an experience.  In 54 years, the wonders I've seen.
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No, "skycrane" was thing though. It was a device above the thing to be landed that had rockets on it. It fired at the last minute to slow the desent, then disconnected once the probe was on the ground, flew off and crashed. It's an alternative to the airbag landing.
I watched that thing land live at like 1 or 2 am.  It was absolutely amazing.  What an experience.  In 54 years, the wonders I've seen.
I watched that too, as well as watching it first begin to move in a conference room with NASA staff.

Of course, I also got to watch the liftoff from the VIP seats at the Cape.

Link Posted: 6/13/2018 8:48:46 PM EDT
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I watched that too, as well as watching it first begin to move in a conference room with NASA staff.

Of course, I also got to watch the liftoff from the VIP seats at the Cape.

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The only "events' I saw live (on tv) were the tesla thing and the shuttles blowing up
Link Posted: 6/13/2018 8:50:25 PM EDT
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I watched that too, as well as watching it first begin to move in a conference room with NASA staff.

Of course, I also got to watch the liftoff from the VIP seats at the Cape.

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No, "skycrane" was thing though. It was a device above the thing to be landed that had rockets on it. It fired at the last minute to slow the desent, then disconnected once the probe was on the ground, flew off and crashed. It's an alternative to the airbag landing.
I watched that thing land live at like 1 or 2 am.  It was absolutely amazing.  What an experience.  In 54 years, the wonders I've seen.
I watched that too, as well as watching it first begin to move in a conference room with NASA staff.

Of course, I also got to watch the liftoff from the VIP seats at the Cape.

Yes I remember Mr. HumbleBrag...  
Link Posted: 6/13/2018 8:50:26 PM EDT
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I always thought (or was told) that the dust storms themselves actually cleaned the panels off.
Link Posted: 6/13/2018 8:51:05 PM EDT
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Why cant they just pick it up? I mean it is in Utah.
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Link Posted: 6/13/2018 8:52:17 PM EDT
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The only "events' I saw live (on tv) were the tesla thing and the shuttles blowing up
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The Curiosity rover was the only launch I got to attend,
Link Posted: 6/13/2018 8:54:58 PM EDT
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Nothing humble about it.



One of the most fun parts about going was somebody on Arfcom calling me out when I was talking about heading down there.

I posted a picture of my invitation and asked him what his invite looked like.
Link Posted: 6/13/2018 9:00:14 PM EDT
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Why cant they just pick it up? I mean it is in Utah.
want me to drive over and dust it off?
Link Posted: 6/13/2018 9:00:41 PM EDT
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I still say they should have dug up David Bowie and put him in that spacesuit and put him in the tesla.
Epic
Link Posted: 6/13/2018 9:06:52 PM EDT
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No, "skycrane" was thing though. It was a device above the thing to be landed that had rockets on it. It fired at the last minute to slow the desent, then disconnected once the probe was on the ground, flew off and crashed. It's an alternative to the airbag landing.
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Sky crane wasn’t really an alternative to air bags.  The air bag method used for the previous rovers simply wasn’t possible for curiosity because of its immense size compared to its predecessors. The previous rovers were fairly small. Curiosity is about the size of a car.
Link Posted: 6/13/2018 9:08:50 PM EDT
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Sky crane wasn’t really an alternative to air bags.  The air bag method used for the previous rovers simply wasn’t possible for curiosity because of its immense size compared to its predecessors. The previous rovers were fairly small. Curiosity is about the size of a car.
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No, "skycrane" was thing though. It was a device above the thing to be landed that had rockets on it. It fired at the last minute to slow the desent, then disconnected once the probe was on the ground, flew off and crashed. It's an alternative to the airbag landing.
Sky crane wasn’t really an alternative to air bags.  The air bag method used for the previous rovers simply wasn’t possible for curiosity because of its immense size compared to its predecessors. The previous rovers were fairly small. Curiosity is about the size of a car.
Link Posted: 6/13/2018 9:13:08 PM EDT
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Sky crane wasn't really an alternative to air bags.  The air bag method used for the previous rovers simply wasn't possible for curiosity because of its immense size compared to its predecessors. The previous rovers were fairly small. Curiosity is about the size of a car.
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Damn, I didn't know it was that big.
Link Posted: 6/13/2018 9:27:03 PM EDT
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Weights from Wikipedia

Curiosity:  1982 lb
Sprit/Opportunity:  408 lb
Sojourner:  25 lb
Link Posted: 6/13/2018 9:30:13 PM EDT
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Women just do not understand.  I told my wife about the article and that it was a sad ending for the rover and mission, her response was "Sorry for your loss?".
Link Posted: 6/13/2018 9:38:34 PM EDT
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Women just do not understand.  I told my wife about the article and that it was a sad ending for the rover and mission, her response was "Sorry for your loss?".
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You should explain to her that we created Opportunity to reach the mountains of Mars, but she's gone much, much farther than that. She tore a hole in our universe, a gateway to another dimension. A dimension of pure chaos. Pure... evil. When she crossed over, she was just a rover. But when she came back... she was alive!
Link Posted: 6/13/2018 9:43:13 PM EDT
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good night sweet prince.
Link Posted: 6/13/2018 9:43:15 PM EDT
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@Burnsy
You should explain to her that we created Opportunity to reach the mountains of Mars, but she's gone much, much farther than that. She tore a hole in our universe, a gateway to another dimension. A dimension of pure chaos. Pure... evil. When she crossed over, she was just a rover. But when she came back... she was alive!
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Well played
Link Posted: 6/13/2018 9:57:41 PM EDT
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Sad the the fucking hippies forced NASA to use solar power. Good thing they did with Curiosity, and will with other new ones.
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Had nothing to do with the hippies.  It has to do with the short half-life if Pu238.  We have to produce it.  Our prior stocks came as a byproduct of making nuclear weapons, but when the cold war ended, so did our production of new nuclear weapons.  This was in 1988.
Link Posted: 6/13/2018 10:02:14 PM EDT
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It would be great to have a nuclear RTG and not have any panels.
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Note to next generation Rover designers...

It would be Boss to have a System to clear dust off those solar panels...
It would be great to have a nuclear RTG and not have any panels.
Cold fusion is what you seek
Link Posted: 6/13/2018 10:03:34 PM EDT
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Don't they have any bums that hang out with a squeegee and spray bottle like every street corner?  Mars sucks.
Link Posted: 6/13/2018 10:04:10 PM EDT
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Johnny V is on Mars?
Link Posted: 6/13/2018 10:04:22 PM EDT
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Consuela from housekeeping?
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Note to next generation Rover designers...

It would be Boss to have a System to clear dust off those solar panels...
Well the current gen rovers have been/are being cleaned by something.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleaning_event
Consuela from housekeeping?
She'll suck the chrome paint off a bumper
Link Posted: 6/13/2018 10:08:59 PM EDT
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Bad ass.

It will be back online shortly. Other duties called so it just cut the feed for a while.

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Link Posted: 6/13/2018 10:18:04 PM EDT
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But what could they use to wipe dust off solar panels....there must be something....but what?

Science is hard!!!

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That's like bitching that the engineers left the automatic windshield polishing system off  your 300 years old Camaro, because it's *so obvious* that it would degrade when going 60 times it's design life.
Link Posted: 6/13/2018 10:18:57 PM EDT
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Poor little guy...

Good Rover!
Link Posted: 6/13/2018 10:19:22 PM EDT
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The articles I’ve read indicated that it would not be “covered” in dust/sand its just the storm is blocking the sunlight from hitting the solar panels.  Assuming the storm ends quickly enough that its reserves are not totally depleted and its not frozen it may well wake up from its self-imposed coma and live yet.
Link Posted: 6/13/2018 10:32:09 PM EDT
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Sad that it may finally be over for the little guy, but damn did he ever last longer than anyone had hoped.   What a kick ass mission.  There is still hope that it comes back though, so lets hope it pulls through the storm.

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Do the solar cells rotate, to allow dust to roll off, or are they always flat? If they can't rotate (or do something else) then the accumulated dust may prove fatal.

What an amazing machine! TEN FIFTEEN A WHOLE bunch of years after its original 90-day mission time frame, and it's still sending back important data!

The public got its money's worth this time!
Link Posted: 6/13/2018 10:35:43 PM EDT
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Matt Damon? MATT FUCKING DAMON?????
He ALWAYS needs to be rescued! Last time he went to Mars was a major screwup. And that time he was in Normandy.... geez!
Link Posted: 6/13/2018 10:37:29 PM EDT
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90 day mission that is approaching 5,500 days.

Nice
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An ability to raise the solar panels back to where they were pre-deployment may do the trick.
However I think they were gravity activated once they were released.
Just thinking out loud, it probably would have added excess weight.

I hope the Rover can wake up.
Link Posted: 6/13/2018 10:43:16 PM EDT
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90 day mission that is approaching 5,500 days.

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Gilligan's Island didn't do so well!
Link Posted: 6/13/2018 10:46:01 PM EDT
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This angers me to no end. I'm sure Trump is off playing golf while this brave pioneer is slowly dying!
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This angers me to no end. I'm sure Trump is off playing golf while this brave pioneer is slowly dying!
Link Posted: 6/13/2018 10:51:48 PM EDT
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No, "skycrane" was thing though. It was a device above the thing to be landed that had rockets on it. It fired at the last minute to slow the desent, then disconnected once the probe was on the ground, flew off and crashed. It's an alternative to the airbag landing.
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I wonder if there is enough atmosphere for a flying drone/rover combo?  Would less gravity make up the difference?  Am I talking out of my ass?
No, "skycrane" was thing though. It was a device above the thing to be landed that had rockets on it. It fired at the last minute to slow the desent, then disconnected once the probe was on the ground, flew off and crashed. It's an alternative to the airbag landing.
Don't be too sure of yourself, Burnsy.
Link Posted: 6/13/2018 10:52:54 PM EDT
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While not Opportunity, this is an enhanced HD video of the Curiosity sky crane drop back in 2012.
I get chills every time I see this.

Mars Curiosity Descent - Ultra HD 30fps Smooth-Motion
Link Posted: 6/13/2018 10:53:26 PM EDT
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MMGA!
Link Posted: 6/13/2018 10:59:42 PM EDT
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Is it official or are we still waiting to see if it comes back to life.
Link Posted: 6/13/2018 11:01:02 PM EDT
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Consuela from housekeeping?
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Note to next generation Rover designers...

It would be Boss to have a System to clear dust off those solar panels...
Well the current gen rovers have been/are being cleaned by something.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleaning_event
Consuela from housekeeping?
No...noooo....
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