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Posted: 8/14/2018 3:21:10 PM EDT
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Let me know when you can come up with an original post. I do believe that some people here mistake "freedom" for doing anything you want. In a society of 300 million people, you don't get to do anything you want. I'm sorry that many of you were born 150 years too late to have the open frontier available to you as a pressure relief valve from the burden of living in a civilized society where people have to live with each other and consider what impact their actions have on other people in society. How many mass killings with books have there been. Seriously, they are not the same thing, and you're being silly for even suggesting that they are equal. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why do you hate freedom I do believe that some people here mistake "freedom" for doing anything you want. In a society of 300 million people, you don't get to do anything you want. I'm sorry that many of you were born 150 years too late to have the open frontier available to you as a pressure relief valve from the burden of living in a civilized society where people have to live with each other and consider what impact their actions have on other people in society. Quoted: You get a call about a suspicious man with a book. No other details. Do you even respond to something like that? Assuming you are required to respond, do you take his book to see if you can find something illegal about it? Hey, maybe he has child porn in it. Or maybe it has a cut out hiding place for drugs. Or do you just drive past and note that there is no evidence that any crime had been committed? Do you stop every car that has a trunk because it could have a dead hooker in it? Seriously, they are not the same thing, and you're being silly for even suggesting that they are equal. 
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Posted: 8/14/2018 3:21:29 PM EDT
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Man if they were a couple guys looking for trouble, he seems to forget all about the other one. If the citizens were scumbag degenerates, the cops brains would have been all over the hood because he ignored the other guy. |
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Posted: 8/14/2018 3:22:16 PM EDT
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So if someone calls in and says "There's a black man walking down my street and I don't recognize him" that's enough to initiate contact? |
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Posted: 8/14/2018 3:23:36 PM EDT
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If we got "a call about a suspicious man with a book. No other details.", we were required to make contact with the suspicious man and find out what was going on. If no obvious crime was being committed, we would sometimes ask the dispatcher if there was any thing else given by the complainant. If the answer was "no", we would go 10-8 (back in service). We did not "stop every car that has a trunk because it could have a dead hooker in it?". But if we got a complaint that someone saw some guys putting something that looked like a body in the trunk of a green 1970 Chevy, then we would stop any car matching that description in the vicinity and investigate. Surely you must be able to understand simple ideas like this? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If cops get a call about a suspicious person or act they have to answer it. An actual crime doesn't have to be articulated for initial contact. Or do you just drive past and note that there is no evidence that any crime had been committed? Do you stop every car that has a trunk because it could have a dead hooker in it? We did not "stop every car that has a trunk because it could have a dead hooker in it?". But if we got a complaint that someone saw some guys putting something that looked like a body in the trunk of a green 1970 Chevy, then we would stop any car matching that description in the vicinity and investigate. Surely you must be able to understand simple ideas like this? |
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Posted: 8/14/2018 3:23:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They should still need reasonable suspicion. https://www.policeone.com/investigations/articles/185192006-14-things-cops-need-to-know-to-successfully-use-stop-and-frisk/ What reasonable suspicion was present in this case?  kid you are obsessed. Reasonable suspicion is the officer feels his safety is in danger due to the totality of the circumstances. If you need a lecture on this join a police academy I'm sure you'll be readily accepted.
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Posted: 8/14/2018 3:24:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That is correct. I know of a real case where the local police were called when several neighbors saw a young man walking down the street with an AR-15. Upon arrival, the officer told him to place it on the grass and he complied. After a lot of questioning, the young man said he was just "out walking" but couldn't explain why he had the AR. He was arrested for failure to identify, as he had no ID and gave suspicious information about his name and address. He was allowed to call his Mom sent a lawyer to make bond. The police just waited. Sure enough, about 4:30 that afternoon, they got a call from a guy that had just got home from work and found his home had been burglarized. His AR-15 was missing. The police told him that they had his rifle and knew who had stolen it and wanted him to file charges, which he was glad to do. Notice the similarities: 1. Calls of complaint from citizens about a man walking with a gun. 2. Guy is confronted and says he was just "taking a walk" Now it seems that some of you think the police should have just waved and smiled and let him go, as they had no "proof that a crime had been committed". And they had a guy that swore he "was just taking a walk". Some of you need to be more realistic about how real situations must be handled by law enforcement officers. |
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Posted: 8/14/2018 3:24:53 PM EDT
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Shouldn't all the cars be stopped to make sure they are not stolen? |
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Posted: 8/14/2018 3:25:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No. But if they said that he was walking through their back yard and looking into windows, that would indeed be enough. Just like if if someone said his guy was pointing his rifle at someone. |
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Posted: 8/14/2018 3:25:46 PM EDT
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Quoted: Frankly if y'all can't articulate what crime is being broken or suspect has been broken, y'all shouldn't be trying to control shit. I know of a real case where the local police were called when several neighbors saw a young man walking down the street with an AR-15. Upon arrival, the officer told him to place it on the grass and he complied. After a lot of questioning, the young man said he was just "out walking" but couldn't explain why he had the AR. He was arrested for failure to identify, as he had no ID and gave suspicious information about his name and address. He was allowed to call his Mom sent a lawyer to make bond. The police just waited. Sure enough, about 4:30 that afternoon, they got a call from a guy that had just got home from work and found his home had been burglarized. His AR-15 was missing. The police told him that they had his rifle and knew who had stolen it and wanted him to file charges, which he was glad to do. Notice the similarities: 1. Calls of complaint from citizens about a man walking with a gun. 2. Guy is confronted and says he was just "taking a walk" Now it seems that some of you think the police should have just waved and smiled and let him go, as they had no "proof that a crime had been committed". And they had a guy that swore he "was just taking a walk". Some of you need to be more realistic about how real situations must be handled by law enforcement officers. |
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Posted: 8/14/2018 3:28:07 PM EDT
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I understand, but IMO there was already one asshole on site, and was looking for a confrontation/arrest someone. The 1SG could have just been polite with Officer diabitus and maybe left without being in handcuffs. 1SG didn't respect cupcakes authority and things went south. Like the old saying goes, you might beat the wrap but not the ride. I would have been polite and calm especially with my son there. Tell cupcake you understand how hard his job is and make him feel good, maybe even talk about a recent cake recipe your wife has. Even if I was right, what if cupcake decided to shoot and my son was killed. Sorry not the hill I would want me or my son to die on after seeing the video. Just my opinion IIRC 1SG was posted in a video here talking about his PTSD; I fear one day 1SG is gonna bite more than he can chew with the aftermath setting gun rights backwards in Texas. |
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Posted: 8/14/2018 3:28:16 PM EDT
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I will gladly answer any serious question. You are just trolling. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Shouldn't all the cars be stopped to make sure they are not stolen? 
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Posted: 8/14/2018 3:29:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That is correct. I know of a real case where the local police were called when several neighbors saw a young man walking down the street with an AR-15. Upon arrival, the officer told him to place it on the grass and he complied. After a lot of questioning, the young man said he was just "out walking" but couldn't explain why he had the AR. He was arrested for failure to identify, as he had no ID and gave suspicious information about his name and address. He was allowed to call his Mom sent a lawyer to make bond. The police just waited. Sure enough, about 4:30 that afternoon, they got a call from a guy that had just got home from work and found his home had been burglarized. His AR-15 was missing. The police told him that they had his rifle and knew who had stolen it and wanted him to file charges, which he was glad to do. Notice the similarities: 1. Calls of complaint from citizens about a man walking with a gun. 2. Guy is confronted and says he was just "taking a walk" Now it seems that some of you think the police should have just waved and smiled and let him go, as they had no "proof that a crime had been committed". And they had a guy that swore he "was just taking a walk". Some of you need to be more realistic about how real situations must be handled by law enforcement officers. |
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Posted: 8/14/2018 3:29:11 PM EDT
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Exactly what complaint was the officer responding to?
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Posted: 8/14/2018 3:30:25 PM EDT
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So if someone reports me for walking with anything of value in my hands, cops should arrest me because I might have stolen it? I'm not following your logic. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: That is correct. I know of a real case where the local police were called when several neighbors saw a young man walking down the street with an AR-15. Upon arrival, the officer told him to place it on the grass and he complied. After a lot of questioning, the young man said he was just "out walking" but couldn't explain why he had the AR. He was arrested for failure to identify, as he had no ID and gave suspicious information about his name and address. He was allowed to call his Mom sent a lawyer to make bond. The police just waited. Sure enough, about 4:30 that afternoon, they got a call from a guy that had just got home from work and found his home had been burglarized. His AR-15 was missing. The police told him that they had his rifle and knew who had stolen it and wanted him to file charges, which he was glad to do. Notice the similarities: 1. Calls of complaint from citizens about a man walking with a gun. 2. Guy is confronted and says he was just "taking a walk" Now it seems that some of you think the police should have just waved and smiled and let him go, as they had no "proof that a crime had been committed". And they had a guy that swore he "was just taking a walk". Some of you need to be more realistic about how real situations must be handled by law enforcement officers. 1. But he couldn't explain where the rifle came from. 2. He gave conflicting stories about where he got it 3. When asked for ID, didn't have any and gave a bad address These things in combination were probable cause to arrest him to determine his identification. Turned out rifle was stolen. And the reason he gave a false name was because he had a record for burglary. |
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Posted: 8/14/2018 3:31:04 PM EDT
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How many mass killings with books have there been. Seriously, they are not the same thing, and you're being silly for even suggesting that they are equal. Actually, books are responsible for a whole helluva lot more killing. The Bible, the Qu'ran, Communist Manifesto... That you are unaware of the devastating power of the written word is now than a little troubling. But what is even more troubling is that you have just admitted that you believe the mere sight of a gun to equate suspicion of mass murder. Do you pull over everyone you see who has a car? They could kill someone with it, you know. They could have a dead hooker in the trunk. They might have stolen it. They might be thinking about buying pot. |
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Posted: 8/14/2018 3:31:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You get a call about a suspicious man with a book. No other details. Do you even respond to something like that? Assuming you are required to respond, do you take his book to see if you can find something illegal about it? Hey, maybe he has child porn in it. Or maybe it has a cut out hiding place for drugs. Or do you just drive past and note that there is no evidence that any crime had been committed? Do you stop every car that has a trunk because it could have a dead hooker in it? |
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Posted: 8/14/2018 3:31:42 PM EDT
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1SG has confronted a lot of cops on various departments. What we don't see is footage of cops who didn't take 1SG's bait. IIRC 1SG was posted in a video here talking about his PTSD; I fear one day 1SG is gonna bite more than he can chew with the aftermath setting gun rights backwards in Texas. Quote HistoryQuoted:
1SG has confronted a lot of cops on various departments. What we don't see is footage of cops who didn't take 1SG's bait. IIRC 1SG was posted in a video here talking about his PTSD; I fear one day 1SG is gonna bite more than he can chew with the aftermath setting gun rights backwards in Texas. Quoted:
A few things to note here: Actually, books are responsible for a whole helluva lot more killing. The Bible, the Qu'ran, Communist Manifesto... That you are unaware of the devastating power of the written word is now than a little troubling. But what is even more troubling is that you have just admitted that you believe the mere sight of a gun to equate suspicion of mass murder. Do you pull over everyone you see who has a car? They could kill someone with it, you know. They could have a dead hooker in the trunk. They might have stolen it. They might be thinking about buying pot. There are few if any cases involving someone being bludgeoned with a book. I never said that there mere sight of a gun equates to mass murder. I pointed out that there have been mass murderes committed with the implement being carried by the vet that day, something that people in general society are acutely aware of and will react to. |
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Posted: 8/14/2018 3:32:10 PM EDT
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So if someone calls in and says "There's a black man walking down my street and I don't recognize him" that's enough to detain him for an investigation? |
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Posted: 8/14/2018 3:32:50 PM EDT
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That is correct. I know of a real case where the local police were called when several neighbors saw a young man walking down the street with an AR-15. Upon arrival, the officer told him to place it on the grass and he complied. After a lot of questioning, the young man said he was just "out walking" but couldn't explain why he had the AR. He was arrested for failure to identify, as he had no ID and gave suspicious information about his name and address. He was allowed to call his Mom sent a lawyer to make bond. The police just waited. Sure enough, about 4:30 that afternoon, they got a call from a guy that had just got home from work and found his home had been burglarized. His AR-15 was missing. The police told him that they had his rifle and knew who had stolen it and wanted him to file charges, which he was glad to do. Notice the similarities: 1. Calls of complaint from citizens about a man walking with a gun. 2. Guy is confronted and says he was just "taking a walk" Now it seems that some of you think the police should have just waved and smiled and let him go, as they had no "proof that a crime had been committed". And they had a guy that swore he "was just taking a walk". Some of you need to be more realistic about how real situations must be handled by law enforcement officers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Frankly if y'all can't articulate what crime is being broken or suspect has been broken, y'all shouldn't be trying to control shit. I know of a real case where the local police were called when several neighbors saw a young man walking down the street with an AR-15. Upon arrival, the officer told him to place it on the grass and he complied. After a lot of questioning, the young man said he was just "out walking" but couldn't explain why he had the AR. He was arrested for failure to identify, as he had no ID and gave suspicious information about his name and address. He was allowed to call his Mom sent a lawyer to make bond. The police just waited. Sure enough, about 4:30 that afternoon, they got a call from a guy that had just got home from work and found his home had been burglarized. His AR-15 was missing. The police told him that they had his rifle and knew who had stolen it and wanted him to file charges, which he was glad to do. Notice the similarities: 1. Calls of complaint from citizens about a man walking with a gun. 2. Guy is confronted and says he was just "taking a walk" Now it seems that some of you think the police should have just waved and smiled and let him go, as they had no "proof that a crime had been committed". And they had a guy that swore he "was just taking a walk". Some of you need to be more realistic about how real situations must be handled by law enforcement officers. The fat cop (clearly has no concern for his appearance and that of his department) decided to escalate before he gave himself a chance to further investigate. All he had to do was state his intent to look into the situation some more, and how he wanted the firearm to be handled during his investigation. There was no specific criminal complaint that was filed, so no recent burglaries with missing AR15s in this case. There were no complaints of discharging of firearms towards residences or disorderly conduct. Whatever the next department procedures and basic LEO training for interaction with the public were taught to this fat cop, he never gave his training a chance, and escalated it into a felony arrest. Not once have I seen anyone here suggest that the LEO should just blow off the complaint and disengage before completion of his investigation. If I were in his shoes, I would also want to know exactly why he was doing what he and the young man/minor walking with him. I would notice things like: * Sun hat, normally worn by people who like the outdoors * Bandanna to keep the sun off his neck * Sunglasses, normally worn by people who plan to be in the sun * Camelbak, normally worn by people who like the outdoors and not uncommon for families of a nearby military base to wear (after years of observation) * Backpack with water bottle, normally worn by people who are hiking or doing other outdoor activities where they planned to be out long enough to need hydration None of that matters though to the cop, who is clearly not a smart fellow. Look how long it took them to even find out they're doing a 10-mile hike for the son's Eagle Scout requirements. When the supervisor arrives, the cop fabricates a story about the encounter to cover his conduct, without stating the important facts. The cop clearly states at 8:32- "As soon as I start to approach im, he starts to reach up, (unintelligible) I'ma take de gun off uv eem." |
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Posted: 8/14/2018 3:33:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If we got "a call about a suspicious man with a book. No other details.", we were required to make contact with the suspicious man and find out what was going on. If no obvious crime was being committed, we would sometimes ask the dispatcher if there was any thing else given by the complainant. If the answer was "no", we would go 10-8 (back in service). We did not "stop every car that has a trunk because it could have a dead hooker in it?". But if we got a complaint that someone saw some guys putting something that looked like a body in the trunk of a green 1970 Chevy, then we would stop any car matching that description in the vicinity and investigate. Surely you must be able to understand simple ideas like this? |
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Posted: 8/14/2018 3:33:59 PM EDT
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How fucking often do you think a cop answers a call about a suspicious person for doing nothing whatsoever but carrying a book? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: You get a call about a suspicious man with a book. No other details. Do you even respond to something like that? Assuming you are required to respond, do you take his book to see if you can find something illegal about it? Hey, maybe he has child porn in it. Or maybe it has a cut out hiding place for drugs. Or do you just drive past and note that there is no evidence that any crime had been committed? Do you stop every car that has a trunk because it could have a dead hooker in it? |
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Posted: 8/14/2018 3:35:40 PM EDT
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Exactly what complaint was the officer responding to? |
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Posted: 8/14/2018 3:36:12 PM EDT
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No. But if they said that he was walking through their back yard and looking into windows, that would indeed be enough. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So if someone calls in and says "There's a black man walking down my street and I don't recognize him" that's enough to initiate contact? |
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Posted: 8/14/2018 3:37:23 PM EDT
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You went to Policeone? kid you are obsessed. Reasonable suspicion is the officer feels his safety is in danger due to the totality of the circumstances. If you need a lecture on this join a police academy I'm sure you'll be readily accepted. |
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Posted: 8/14/2018 3:38:15 PM EDT
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I will gladly answer any serious question. You are just trolling. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Shouldn't all the cars be stopped to make sure they are not stolen? |
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Posted: 8/14/2018 3:38:53 PM EDT
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“More importantly, where a state permits individuals to openly carry firearms, the exercise of this right, without more, cannot justify an investigatory detention. Permitting such a justification would eviscerate Fourth Amendment protections for lawfully armed individuals in those states. United States v. King, 990 F.2d 1552, 1559 (10th Cir. 1993)”
This is now codified into Texas state law. It was not at the time, but still would have applied. If the officer had more information to support reasonable suspicion, then he was justified. But it appears he did not. Good to see such staunch support for second amendment and fourth amendment rights here. |
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Posted: 8/14/2018 3:39:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Exactly. Which is why I noted they would ask "why" the guy was "suspicious". It would have to be something other than the book. |
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Posted: 8/14/2018 3:40:24 PM EDT
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I remember this from a thread when it happened, I think.
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Posted: 8/14/2018 3:40:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe we should stop letting cops tell each other what the Constitution means, especially since they tend to select for low intelligence. |
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Posted: 8/14/2018 3:40:38 PM EDT
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So if you got a complaint that someone had a green Chevy, you couldn't just look in everyone's trunk just because it could be used to conceal a dead hooker. Quote HistoryQuoted:
So if you got a complaint that someone had a green Chevy, you couldn't just look in everyone's trunk just because it could be used to conceal a dead hooker. And you can't just assault people for no fucking reason. And if you walk up to a man and assault him under color of law, in an obvious attempt to violate his civil rights, you should You disagree with how this was handled? Fine with me. I also do not like everything about how it was handled. But mistakes were made by both parties. And if the guy had kept his hands off the weapon as instructed, it would have ended much differently. |
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Posted: 8/14/2018 3:42:12 PM EDT
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I went to the funeral of a police officer who didn't conduct a Terry frisk. |
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Posted: 8/14/2018 3:44:21 PM EDT
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Another open carry uppity retard meets an over weight undertrained local cop. It's a self fulfilling prophecy. |
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Posted: 8/14/2018 3:44:52 PM EDT
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Maybe we should stop letting cops tell each other what the Constitution means, especially since they tend to select for low intelligence. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You went to Policeone? kid you are obsessed. Reasonable suspicion is the officer feels his safety is in danger due to the totality of the circumstances. If you need a lecture on this join a police academy I'm sure you'll be readily accepted.The supervisor sounds more reasonable, but he is left having to trust his officer's version of events, which include the lie that the citizen was "reaching up" for it when he initially approached him. Dumb people don't do well in professions like this where you constantly have to make keen observations about your environment and split-second decisions. For those that are LEOs, I would recommend not identifying with this particular sample of LE hires, as he is clearly a failure in so many ways. I would also consider that most of the ideas about life you learned in public school are detrimental to logical thinking processes, and to study some formal intellectual standards of thinking and forming positions, because the chain of logical fallacies I'm seeing here don't bode well for our Nation's future. Those that are currently active LEOs could be involved in an incident that will bring National attention and outrage, as we've seen so much of lately. The last thing you want to be seen is making arguments like, "Just because you can exercise your freedom doesn't mean you should." People aren't going to like that, no matter which side it comes from. |
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Posted: 8/14/2018 3:45:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope. The original call was because citizens complained that there was a "man with a gun" walking down the street. The officer investigated. If the guy had made sense, he might have been released. 1. But he couldn't explain where the rifle came from. 2. He gave conflicting stories about where he got it 3. When asked for ID, didn't have any and gave a bad address These things in combination were probable cause to arrest him to determine his identification. Turned out rifle was stolen. And the reason he gave a false name was because he had a record for burglary. ETA: just realized you are still talking about your unrelated story. |
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Posted: 8/14/2018 3:47:13 PM EDT
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I appreciate him taking time to mumble out an explanation of what happened afterwards during a gale while standing in a field.
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Posted: 8/14/2018 3:48:37 PM EDT
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How fucking often do you think a cop answers a call about a suspicious person for doing nothing whatsoever but carrying a book? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: You get a call about a suspicious man with a book. No other details. Do you even respond to something like that? Assuming you are required to respond, do you take his book to see if you can find something illegal about it? Hey, maybe he has child porn in it. Or maybe it has a cut out hiding place for drugs. Or do you just drive past and note that there is no evidence that any crime had been committed? Do you stop every car that has a trunk because it could have a dead hooker in it? |
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Posted: 8/14/2018 3:49:21 PM EDT
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So you're saying is that he is a military vet version of a CopWatch guy who goes out looking for trouble, not just an average guy "out for a walk". Shocking. You're referring to the ideas and motivations contained within the books, not the physical book. There are few if any cases involving someone being bludgeoned with a book. I never said that there mere sight of a gun equates to mass murder. I pointed out that there have been mass murderes committed with the implement being carried by the vet that day, something that people in general society are acutely aware of and will react to. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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1SG has confronted a lot of cops on various departments. What we don't see is footage of cops who didn't take 1SG's bait. IIRC 1SG was posted in a video here talking about his PTSD; I fear one day 1SG is gonna bite more than he can chew with the aftermath setting gun rights backwards in Texas. Quoted:
A few things to note here: Actually, books are responsible for a whole helluva lot more killing. The Bible, the Qu'ran, Communist Manifesto... That you are unaware of the devastating power of the written word is now than a little troubling. But what is even more troubling is that you have just admitted that you believe the mere sight of a gun to equate suspicion of mass murder. Do you pull over everyone you see who has a car? They could kill someone with it, you know. They could have a dead hooker in the trunk. They might have stolen it. They might be thinking about buying pot. There are few if any cases involving someone being bludgeoned with a book. I never said that there mere sight of a gun equates to mass murder. I pointed out that there have been mass murderes committed with the implement being carried by the vet that day, something that people in general society are acutely aware of and will react to. Police screwing over a citizen tends to open their eyes to how fucked up our legal system is. Shocking right? |
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Posted: 8/14/2018 3:49:47 PM EDT
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Watching the first video it looked ok until he put his hand on the AR. Grabbed it by the grip area. Shit went downhill fast. I think if he hadn't done that things would have come out differently. Then he lied about it. Cop did have an attitude but not knowing who he was coming in contact with and definitely outgunned I would be wary also. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Man if they were a couple guys looking for trouble, he seems to forget all about the other one. I think if he hadn't done that things would have come out differently. Then he lied about it. Cop did have an attitude but not knowing who he was coming in contact with and definitely outgunned I would be wary also. |
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Posted: 8/14/2018 3:49:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But he wasn't. And they weren't. And nobody had any dead bodies or pot needles. No crime was committed, nor was there any reasonable articulable suspicion that a crime had been committed. Just a dangerous man with a gun. And an innocent man hiking with his boy. |
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Posted: 8/14/2018 3:50:55 PM EDT
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You're referring to the ideas and motivations contained within the books, not the physical book. There are few if any cases involving someone being bludgeoned with a book. I never said that there mere sight of a gun equates to mass murder. I pointed out that there have been mass murderes committed with the implement being carried by the vet that day, something that people in general society are acutely aware of and will react to. |
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Posted: 8/14/2018 3:52:02 PM EDT
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With virtually no other information? No. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So if someone calls in and says "There's a black man walking down my street and I don't recognize him" that's enough to detain him for an investigation? |
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Posted: 8/14/2018 3:53:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And you are admitting that you believe the mere presence of a gun provides all the excuse a bad cop needs to physically attack someone. That's all I need to know about you. And that's all I need to know about you. |
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Posted: 8/14/2018 3:54:58 PM EDT
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I appreciate him taking time to mumble out an explanation of what happened afterwards during a gale while standing in a field. 
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Posted: 8/14/2018 3:58:08 PM EDT
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Shouldn't all the cars be stopped to make sure they are not stolen? 
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Posted: 8/14/2018 4:03:43 PM EDT
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“More importantly, where a state permits individuals to openly carry firearms, the exercise of this right, without more, cannot justify an investigatory detention. Permitting such a justification would eviscerate Fourth Amendment protections for lawfully armed individuals in those states. United States v. King, 990 F.2d 1552, 1559 (10th Cir. 1993)” This is now codified into Texas state law. It was not at the time, but still would have applied. If the officer had more information to support reasonable suspicion, then he was justified. But it appears he did not. Good to see such staunch support for second amendment and fourth amendment rights here. |
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Posted: 8/14/2018 4:04:19 PM EDT
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He told the man to not touch the rifle as he approached him. The man touched his rifle despite being told to not do so. That automatically escalates the man to the "non-compliant" category, especially at a contact distance There are many people in threads like this one that relate that in their opinion officers should just drive by, or not respond at all. |
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Posted: 8/14/2018 4:13:46 PM EDT
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But mistakes were made by both parties. And if the guy had kept his hands off the weapon as instructed, it would have ended much differently. |
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Posted: 8/14/2018 4:18:00 PM EDT
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That's not what he said. You made that part up. You are being dishonest. And that's all I need to know about you. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: And you are admitting that you believe the mere presence of a gun provides all the excuse a bad cop needs to physically attack someone. That's all I need to know about you. And that's all I need to know about you. Quoted: I pointed out that there have been mass murders committed with the implement being carried by the vet that day, something that people in general society are acutely aware of and will react to. |
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Posted: 8/14/2018 4:18:01 PM EDT
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And you are admitting that you believe the mere presence of a gun provides all the excuse a bad cop needs to physically attack someone. That's all I need to know about you. |
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Posted: 8/14/2018 4:19:14 PM EDT
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The problem is police have a checkered history, and that is to say the very least. I for one would not feel comfortable in the least out in the wilderness and then being forced into surrendering my firearm FOR ABSOLUTELY NO REASON AT ALL. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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But mistakes were made by both parties. And if the guy had kept his hands off the weapon as instructed, it would have ended much differently. |
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