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Posted: 12/18/2018 7:11:18 PM EST
Don't want to see any more edgy "muh healthcare" posts around here now.
https://www.daytondailynews.com/news/retiree-health-care-cuts-looming-for-cops-and-firefighters-ohio/znKbsUFZtZfPOHsi2xbbFO/ COLUMBUS —
Starting in 2019, retired cops and firefighters will no longer receive health care benefits through the Ohio Police & Firefighters Pension Fund but instead will receive a stipend to buy coverage on the open market. The OP&F board of trustees voted this week in favor of the major change as a means to preserving the health care fund for the next 15 years. It will impact 58,000 current and retired police and firefighters. Currently, OP&F covers 75 percent of premium costs for its retirees and 25 percent of the costs for their spouses. That deal will end and be replaced with the yet-to-be-determined stipend amounts. “No dollar amounts have even been discussed,” said OP&F spokesman David Graham. “Really, no details are available on it right now.” OP&F leaders are making no promises that even stipends will be available after 2032. Though it is not mandated by state law, the retirement system has provided retiree health care coverage since 1974. Starting in 2003, retirees started shouldering more costs as the health care plan became more expensive for OP&F and its members. If OP&F does nothing, its $900 million health care fund will be drained within nine years, consultants told the system. In 2016, OP&F health care costs hit $223 million. “Even with these significant changes, current trends in health care and prescription drug costs, health care support beyond a 15-year projection may not be possible without a new income stream,” said OP&F Executive Director John Gallagher in a written release. “The OP&F Board, staff and our outside partners are all dedicated to searching for that funding source to assist future generations of retirees with their health care needs.” Gary Monto, president of Police & Fire Retirees of Ohio, said he is reserving comment on the matter until more details are released. Related: Pension cuts looming for Ohio teachers and retirees OP&F has $14.8 billion invested for the benefit of 58,000 police, firefighters, retirees and beneficiaries. Among the system’s assumptions is an expected annual rate of return of 8.25 percent — the highest of the five public pension systems in Ohio. That rate will be reviewed this fall. The other four systems recently reviewed and lowered their expected rate of returns to between 7.45- and 7.75-percent, based on recommendations from consultants and actuaries. A big drop in the expected rate of return can mean unfunded liabilities balloon, which force pension fund trustees to consider cuts in benefits or other changes. View Quote |
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Well they do get a stipend
young firefighters: "Good luck old guys. Get on the iceflow" |
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Happens all the time in the private sector.
I worked for 37 years, now retired...my company provided health insurance goes up every year, and could be cancelled at any time. Is it somehow different because I'm not a cop or FF? I don't like what is happening to them, but why should they be any different? |
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AT&T did that to us years ago. They're called HRAs (healthcare reimbursement accounts).
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Well they do get a stipend young firefighters: "Good luck old guys. Get on the iceflow" View Quote It's not uncommon to see a 50-55 year old driving an engine for a FD I suppose here we will see alot more police that age continuing to work so they don't lose their health insurance |
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Happens all the time in the private sector. I worked for 37 years, now retired...my company provided health insurance goes up every year, and could be cancelled at any time. Is it somehow different because I'm not a cop or FF? I don't like what is happening to them, but why should they be any different? View Quote |
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I’m in a state wide pension plan for municipal employees and we have zero provision for healthcare.
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Quoted: old guys at the FD seem fairly common It's not uncommon to see a 50-55 year old driving an engine for a FD I suppose here we will see alot more police that age continuing to work so they don't lose their health insurance View Quote Think about that hypothetical police department. |
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Don't want to see any more edgy "muh healthcare" posts around here now. https://www.daytondailynews.com/news/retiree-health-care-cuts-looming-for-cops-and-firefighters-ohio/znKbsUFZtZfPOHsi2xbbFO/ COLUMBUS
Starting in 2019, retired cops and firefighters will no longer receive health care benefits through the Ohio Police & Firefighters Pension Fund but instead will receive a stipend to buy coverage on the open market. The OP&F board of trustees voted this week in favor of the major change as a means to preserving the health care fund for the next 15 years. It will impact 58,000 current and retired police and firefighters. Currently, OP&F covers 75 percent of premium costs for its retirees and 25 percent of the costs for their spouses. That deal will end and be replaced with the yet-to-be-determined stipend amounts. "No dollar amounts have even been discussed," said OP&F spokesman David Graham. "Really, no details are available on it right now." OP&F leaders are making no promises that even stipends will be available after 2032. Though it is not mandated by state law, the retirement system has provided retiree health care coverage since 1974. Starting in 2003, retirees started shouldering more costs as the health care plan became more expensive for OP&F and its members. If OP&F does nothing, its $900 million health care fund will be drained within nine years, consultants told the system. In 2016, OP&F health care costs hit $223 million. "Even with these significant changes, current trends in health care and prescription drug costs, health care support beyond a 15-year projection may not be possible without a new income stream," said OP&F Executive Director John Gallagher in a written release. "The OP&F Board, staff and our outside partners are all dedicated to searching for that funding source to assist future generations of retirees with their health care needs." Gary Monto, president of Police & Fire Retirees of Ohio, said he is reserving comment on the matter until more details are released. Related: Pension cuts looming for Ohio teachers and retirees OP&F has $14.8 billion invested for the benefit of 58,000 police, firefighters, retirees and beneficiaries. Among the system's assumptions is an expected annual rate of return of 8.25 percent the highest of the five public pension systems in Ohio. That rate will be reviewed this fall. The other four systems recently reviewed and lowered their expected rate of returns to between 7.45- and 7.75-percent, based on recommendations from consultants and actuaries. A big drop in the expected rate of return can mean unfunded liabilities balloon, which force pension fund trustees to consider cuts in benefits or other changes. View Quote View Quote Don't know the ins and outs of your issues up there, but I have never been promised healthcare, only that I could buy it from the city's plan and full price. |
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Happens all the time in the private sector. I worked for 37 years, now retired...my company provided health insurance goes up every year, and could be cancelled at any time. Is it somehow different because I'm not a cop or FF? I don't like what is happening to them, but why should they be any different? View Quote |
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Before it’s over we will all be paying cash for Doctors and medicine and insurance will be unaffordable.
It is unrealistic for private citizens to work till they die to pay for health care for public employees who retire at 55 years or less age. Some only working for 20 years and then collecting a life pension and healthcare. It cannot continue. |
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Happens all the time in the private sector. I worked for 37 years, now retired...my company provided health insurance goes up every year, and could be cancelled at any time. Is it somehow different because I'm not a cop or FF? I don't like what is happening to them, but why should they be any different? View Quote |
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Tons of 50-55 year olds working in the trade industry with hard physical jobs. 20-25 and out was NEVER sustainable long term.
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my wife's uncle is a retired chief of a local FD, i know he's cussing up a storm right now
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And since it is hard to recruit cops now you should see departments creating inducements to retain older cops, or hire them back after retirement. Think about that hypothetical police department. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Tons of 50-55 year olds working in the trade industry with hard physical jobs. 20-25 and out was NEVER sustainable long term. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Quoted: old guys at the FD seem fairly common It's not uncommon to see a 50-55 year old driving an engine for a FD I suppose here we will see alot more police that age continuing to work so they don't lose their health insurance ETA: Yea I know I am 27 in, just more FYI |
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Why does the press always equate health insurance as health care (see article title)?
The stipend may be a better deal for all involved. It certainly puts more power in the hands of the individual. |
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Now it's time to do the same with teachers!
Bring on the flames. |
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If the agreement 25 or 30 years ago when they signed up was health premiums for life it should stand. Why should they be different? I don't know what your career was but did it entail the possibility of being killed every day? I see your from WI like me. In case you didn't know pension benefits are considered private property rights and can't be touched once you retire in our great state. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Happens all the time in the private sector. I worked for 37 years, now retired...my company provided health insurance goes up every year, and could be cancelled at any time. Is it somehow different because I'm not a cop or FF? I don't like what is happening to them, but why should they be any different? |
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Why does the press always equate health insurance as health care (see article title)? The stipend may be a better deal for all involved. It certainly puts more power in the hands of the individual. View Quote OP is either not very smart, he is trolling, or a combination of both. |
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Went right OVER YOUR HEAD. I am 50-55, I am a firefighter, and he basically called me an old guy. Do you get it now??? ETA: Yea I know I am 27 in, just more FYI View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Quoted: old guys at the FD seem fairly common It's not uncommon to see a 50-55 year old driving an engine for a FD I suppose here we will see alot more police that age continuing to work so they don't lose their health insurance ETA: Yea I know I am 27 in, just more FYI They [company I work for] dumped the pension plan well over a decade ago for new hires and went to a 401K with match. They have changed the retiree health care numerous times. Initially they promised it until 65/SSI age. I doubt it'll get better with time and most retirees had 35+ years working, some closer to 40. |
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Before it’s over we will all be paying cash for Doctors and medicine and insurance will be unaffordable. It is unrealistic for private citizens to work till they die to pay for health care for public employees who retire at 55 years or less age. Some only working for 20 years and then collecting a life pension and healthcare. It cannot continue. View Quote |
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"Among the system’s assumptions is an expected annual rate of return of 8.25 percent — the highest of the five public pension systems in Ohio."
Lol. And we saw in 2008 how fast that assumption can be proven wrong. And actions have consequences. The young guys complain about funding the older guy's retirement and inch by inch the older guys lose benefits. And that prompts the older guys to keep working beyond their normal retirement age, which means there is less room for young guys to advance. 100 years ago men worked until they were unable to work. The age demographic at most companies matched the general public more so than today as people continued working into old age. Pension plans and social security got people off the job at 65, which makes more room for young guys to come in at the bottom. But if people older than 65 find they have to keep working, there's less room at the bottom and on the way up because the jobs are all filled with older, experienced people. Be careful what you wish for. |
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Not over my head, it's just the system just can't handle the percentage of pensioned and health care retirees VS working employees anymore. They [company I work for] dumped the pension plan well over a decade ago for new hires and went to a 401K with match. They have changed the retiree health care numerous times. Initially they promised it until 65/SSI age. I doubt it'll get better with time and most retirees had 35+ years working, some closer to 40. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Quoted: old guys at the FD seem fairly common It's not uncommon to see a 50-55 year old driving an engine for a FD I suppose here we will see alot more police that age continuing to work so they don't lose their health insurance ETA: Yea I know I am 27 in, just more FYI They [company I work for] dumped the pension plan well over a decade ago for new hires and went to a 401K with match. They have changed the retiree health care numerous times. Initially they promised it until 65/SSI age. I doubt it'll get better with time and most retirees had 35+ years working, some closer to 40. I work under a 457b. Very similar to a 401k. I got skin in the game. I was never promised health insurance or stipend. I was not whoa is me'ing about being 50-55 and still working. I have plans to work a few more years. You were quoting me and telling me things I have known for the last 27+ years. Just clearing this up. Was not sure why you quoted other than your misunderstanding of my emoji's. ETA: BOSS new all these things as we have had discussions before, hence the emojis aimed at him for basically calling me old. |
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Ohio screwed up when it let double-dipping come in ---you could retire after 20-30 years in, start drawing your pension, stay "retired" for 30 days, and then get your old job back. Public employers thought it was great because they got off the hook for the retirement benefits and would often pay less than the wages you made before. Big PROBLEM--the retirement funds counted on the money the replacement hires would contribute--but with double-dippers they do not get that back. Also, Obamacare raised costs through the roof.
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Slowly you will realize the BOSS is right about most things. Doesn’t sugarcoat, can be brash, is direct and to the point, straight shooter, doesn’t lie, but time and time again is correct.
BOSS OUT BOSS OUT BOSS OUT BOSS OUT BOSS OUT!! |
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Slowly you will realize the BOSS is right about most things. Doesn’t sugarcoat, can be brash, is direct and to the point, straight shooter, doesn’t lie, but time and time again is correct. BOSS OUT BOSS OUT BOSS OUT BOSS OUT BOSS OUT!! View Quote I’ve got at least 17 years till retirement. I’m sure it will be worse when I get there. They did dick those guys over though. |
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