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Posted: 5/25/2022 11:22:54 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My new GX is the most enjoyable vehicle on the highway to drive that I've ever owned. It just rides and drives so nice...I'm not sure why it's so much nicer than my 4Runner but it is. A few in here are going to absolutely freak out that you also have real world experience with both vehicles. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 11:23:16 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: laughing. Yeah we are laughing at you.. any other awesome tidbits you want to share? 
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Posted: 5/25/2022 11:23:56 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The fuck you do. Our 2015 was such a turd if I wanted to pass someone going up a mild incline I had to plan ahead for 10 minutes. My f150 ecoboost doesn’t even downshift and blows past. I’m a Toyota fanboy 100%, but you’re a liar Our GX460 on the other hand, yes, they cruise just fine. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I cruise 80-90mph in my 2017 4runner no problems The fuck you do. Our 2015 was such a turd if I wanted to pass someone going up a mild incline I had to plan ahead for 10 minutes. My f150 ecoboost doesn’t even downshift and blows past. I’m a Toyota fanboy 100%, but you’re a liar Our GX460 on the other hand, yes, they cruise just fine. My 2016 SR5 4Runner with KO2's in OEM size was perfectly stable and smooth on the Interstate at 80MPH. Yours must have had something wrong with it. ETA: The GX is better on the Interstate but the 4Runner wasn't horrible. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 11:24:04 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If they wanted to go all in on a retro, have a removable top option. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 11:24:06 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Said like someone that owns an unreliable vehicle but desperately trying to justify their purchase. You’re a moderator on the 4Runner forum or something, aren’t you? |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 11:25:44 AM EST
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I love the A Team graphics.
If they throw in a Ruger Mini 14 stainless with folding stock I’m in. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 11:26:37 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My new GX is the most enjoyable vehicle on the highway to drive that I've ever owned. It just rides and drives so nice...I'm not sure why it's so much nicer than my 4Runner but it is. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: No mention of the 20 year old 4.0 with 295hp and 0-60 in 12 minutes while being noisy as fuck struggling at highway speed? No shit. Every time I think about replacing my 20 year old Toyota, I do a quick cost-benefit analysis and think "nope". My new GX is the most enjoyable vehicle on the highway to drive that I've ever owned. It just rides and drives so nice...I'm not sure why it's so much nicer than my 4Runner but it is. Because it's a Lexus and it costs 30%+ more than a 4Runner? lol |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 11:26:40 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My 2016 SR5 4Runner with KO2's in OEM size was perfectly stable and smooth on the Interstate at 80MPH. Yours must have had something wrong with it. ETA: The GX is better on the Interstate but the 4Runner wasn't horrible. Aside from handling and braking like shit, I think my MAIN issue was also having my f150 to drive and feeling the night and day difference. I make no exaggeration when it came to road trips, the 4Runner wasn’t ever going. We were miserable in that thing on the highway. The f150 and later gx460, not at all. I’d buy another 460 any day. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 11:28:48 AM EST
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For all of you cultists- why is it every 4Runner thread majority of people talk about waiting for the 6th Gen for a power increase?
Hint- it’s not because your 4.0 v6 is so good. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 11:29:35 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Said like someone that owns an unreliable vehicle but desperately trying to justify their purchase. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Typical Toyota haters: "Oh hai guys. I hate reliable vehicles like the 4Runner, but I own this POS Dodge pickup. It's got a new modern engine. I mean yeah its unreliable but it's "modern". Its got all this cool tech in there but yeah its unreliable but it's modern. Yeah I know we are in a supply chain crisis and realize I can't get basic parts to keep an unreliable vehicle running. I prefer to own vehicles that are super unreliable because they are modern." "Oh look at how the sides of the road are littered with "modern" vehicles with all these "features" because nobody can keep them running. Those who have these "modern" vehicles that are still somehow running must be spending a fortune having them fixed all the time. Meanwhile I'm here with my 4Runner that never has any problems, but if it did it's so utterly simple I could fix it with an adjustable wrench and some pliers like it's still 1945." Said like someone that owns an unreliable vehicle but desperately trying to justify their purchase. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 11:34:21 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Aside from handling and braking like shit, I think my MAIN issue was also having my f150 to drive and feeling the night and day difference. I make no exaggeration when it came to road trips, the 4Runner wasn’t ever going. We were miserable in that thing on the highway. The f150 and later gx460, not at all. I’d buy another 460 any day. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: My 2016 SR5 4Runner with KO2's in OEM size was perfectly stable and smooth on the Interstate at 80MPH. Yours must have had something wrong with it. ETA: The GX is better on the Interstate but the 4Runner wasn't horrible. Aside from handling and braking like shit, I think my MAIN issue was also having my f150 to drive and feeling the night and day difference. I make no exaggeration when it came to road trips, the 4Runner wasn’t ever going. We were miserable in that thing on the highway. The f150 and later gx460, not at all. I’d buy another 460 any day. I road trip a lot in my 4runner. No complaints from anyone so far. We're not talking quick jaunts, either. Lots of 10-14hr drives. Not sure what's so wrong with yours, but damn, get it checked out. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 11:37:11 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I road trip a lot in my 4runner. No complaints from anyone so far. We're not talking quick jaunts, either. Lots of 10-14hr drives. Not sure what's so wrong with yours, but damn, get it checked out. I had it checked out, actually. It needed 2 more cylinders and better suspension and brakes. So I bought a Lexus 460. We took the 4Runner to Colorado twice. Was fun off road, was not fun on the way there/back. Kansas headwinds? Have fun in your underpowered brick. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 11:43:30 AM EST
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For transparency- the GX460 does have a few flaws
-infotainment until 2022 was stuck in the 4Runners 2010 era -terrible interior lighting (why use LED’s for half the rig, and yellow bulbs for the other half in a $65k truck?) -brakes, while better than 4R, didn’t seem to ventilate well. Warped a front set with 1 trip towing my river skiff. Read about similar experiences with others -fuel mileage Outside of those, one of the best vehicles on American roads |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 11:46:54 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Aside from handling and braking like shit, I think my MAIN issue was also having my f150 to drive and feeling the night and day difference. I make no exaggeration when it came to road trips, the 4Runner wasn’t ever going. We were miserable in that thing on the highway. The f150 and later gx460, not at all. I’d buy another 460 any day. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: My 2016 SR5 4Runner with KO2's in OEM size was perfectly stable and smooth on the Interstate at 80MPH. Yours must have had something wrong with it. ETA: The GX is better on the Interstate but the 4Runner wasn't horrible. Aside from handling and braking like shit, I think my MAIN issue was also having my f150 to drive and feeling the night and day difference. I make no exaggeration when it came to road trips, the 4Runner wasn’t ever going. We were miserable in that thing on the highway. The f150 and later gx460, not at all. I’d buy another 460 any day. You don't see the frame of reference issue you have here? Basically, the gist of your rants are that two $60k+ vehicles are nicer on road trips than a $45k vehicle. No shit?  In the last 10 years or so, I've gone on long distance drives around the country in a variety of vehicles. An 8th gen Civic, 3rd gen Mazda3, a 2nd gen Astro, a 3rd gen Forester, a 1st gen Titan, a 12th gen F-150, a POS U-haul truck, and probably a couple of others I've since forgotten. The F-150 was easily the best, and I already know the 4Runner isn't as good on the open interstate, but it's still better than MANY vehicles out there. Is it as nice as a $60k luxury vehicle? No. But I also didn't pay $60k for it. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 11:53:22 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You don't see the frame of reference issue you have here? Basically, the gist of your rants are that two $60k+ vehicles are nicer on road trips than a $45k vehicle. No shit? In the last 10 years or so, I've gone on long distance drives around the country in a variety of vehicles. An 8th gen Civic, 3rd gen Mazda3, a 2nd gen Astro, a 3rd gen Forester, a 1st gen Titan, a 12th gen F-150, a POS U-haul truck, and probably a couple of others I've since forgotten. The F-150 was easily the best, and I already know the 4Runner isn't as good on the open interstate, but it's still better than MANY vehicles out there. Is it as nice as a $60k luxury vehicle? No. But I also didn't pay $60k for it. Weird, my local dealer has a lime green 4R TRD for $65k on the lot as of yesterday |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 11:53:49 AM EST
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For transparency- the GX460 does have a few flaws -infotainment until 2022 was stuck in the 4Runners 2010 era -terrible interior lighting (why use LED’s for half the rig, and yellow bulbs for the other half in a $65k truck?) -brakes, while better than 4R, didn’t seem to ventilate well. Warped a front set with 1 trip towing my river skiff. Read about similar experiences with others -fuel mileage Outside of those, one of the best vehicles on American roads The 4Runner's liftgate with a rear window that can roll down is far superior to the swing door (that swings the wrong way) of the GX460. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 11:55:14 AM EST
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Auto threads are such a treat these days. Now all we need is someone complaining about crank windows...
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Posted: 5/25/2022 11:56:16 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Weird, my local dealer has a lime green 4R TRD for $65k on the lot as of yesterday In fairness the TRD Pro package is an awful value on any of the vehicles that offer it. Oooooh black trims and an ugly unique paint color that will be available for all the next year anyways. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 11:58:08 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Weird, my local dealer has a lime green 4R TRD for $65k on the lot as of yesterday For such an expert on a vehicle, you can't seem to grasp the difference between a base model and a limited production model.  |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 12:01:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In 2015 I bought a new Mustang GT with all the goodies. Since then I've been picking up a new replacement vehicle every 2-3 years since I like to try things out. All of these have had more features/tech than the vaunted 4Runner. In the 7 years since then I've had 2 trips to the dealer, one was a head gasket recall on my Focus RS because Ford assembled some engines with the wrong head gasket, and the other was for a faulty sensor on the emissions system on my XC60. You seem to have readily consumed the koolaid that leads you to believe everything that's not stuck in the past is just waiting to break down on you. Meanwhile I'm enjoying stuff that's far more efficient, faster, more fun, much more comfortable, much more pleasant to be in (you ever had cooled massaging seats? I bet not), and if the price to pay for that is 2 trips to the dealer in 7 years then I'll happily accept that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Typical Toyota haters: "Oh hai guys. I hate reliable vehicles like the 4Runner, but I own this POS Dodge pickup. It's got a new modern engine. I mean yeah its unreliable but it's "modern". Its got all this cool tech in there but yeah its unreliable but it's modern. Yeah I know we are in a supply chain crisis and realize I can't get basic parts to keep an unreliable vehicle running. I prefer to own vehicles that are super unreliable because they are modern." "Oh look at how the sides of the road are littered with "modern" vehicles with all these "features" because nobody can keep them running. Those who have these "modern" vehicles that are still somehow running must be spending a fortune having them fixed all the time. Meanwhile I'm here with my 4Runner that never has any problems, but if it did it's so utterly simple I could fix it with an adjustable wrench and some pliers like it's still 1945." Said like someone that owns an unreliable vehicle but desperately trying to justify their purchase. I'll bite. If we still lived in the world of 2019, I wouldn't have even considered the 4Runner, and I'd be echoing some of your arguments. I would most likely be in an EcoBoost F-150 or a Ram 1500, and I would have bought one of those vehicles knowing full well I might have to make 1-2 extra trips to the service department and that I should probably move on to something newer in 5 years. And that would have been okay with me. But we don't live in the world of 2019. Nearly every aspect of the world around us is showing red flags. We have supply shortages, labor shortages, food shortages, major market instability, military conflict, and very high inflation. There's a very real chance that the service department won't always be an option. There's a very real chance that buying something new and shiny in 3-5 years won't be an option. That's the reality in which I chose the 4Runner. Something with more interesting drivetrain tech would be fun, but I deliberately chose the most proven and reliable body on frame 4x4 on the market for a reason. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 12:02:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t have a lead foot. But I drive 80MPH on my commute and have driven 90MPH for long freeway stretches on road trips. Sounds like your 2015 had some problems or modifications ETA I also got pulled over by the CHP doing 84 with a passenger and 500 pounds of guns, ammo and camping gear. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I cruise 80-90mph in my 2017 4runner no problems The fuck you do. Our 2015 was such a turd if I wanted to pass someone going up a mild incline I had to plan ahead for 10 minutes. My f150 ecoboost doesn’t even downshift and blows past. I’m a Toyota fanboy 100%, but you’re a liar Our GX460 on the other hand, yes, they cruise just fine. I don’t have a lead foot. But I drive 80MPH on my commute and have driven 90MPH for long freeway stretches on road trips. Sounds like your 2015 had some problems or modifications ETA I also got pulled over by the CHP doing 84 with a passenger and 500 pounds of guns, ammo and camping gear. Yeah, either his '15 had problems or he is being overly dramatic. My '19 TRDORP does 80mph no problem on my almost daily commute. And the liar comment is out of line. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 12:02:29 PM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For transparency- the GX460 does have a few flaws -infotainment until 2022 was stuck in the 4Runners 2010 era -terrible interior lighting (why use LED’s for half the rig, and yellow bulbs for the other half in a $65k truck?) -brakes, while better than 4R, didn’t seem to ventilate well. Warped a front set with 1 trip towing my river skiff. Read about similar experiences with others -fuel mileage Outside of those, one of the best vehicles on American roads They’re great on the highway, but need more modding to equal a stock 4Runner off road. This stupid side steps and horrible approach angle make a stock GX less capable than a 4Runner. Premium fuel in that V8 is not fun right now. Owned both, prefer the 4Runner for my uses a a DD. And yes, it easily cruises at 80mph on the highway. I even had it hardwired for a radar detector. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 12:02:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I had it checked out, actually. It needed 2 more cylinders and better suspension and brakes. So I bought a Lexus 460. We took the 4Runner to Colorado twice. Was fun off road, was not fun on the way there/back. Kansas headwinds? Have fun in your underpowered brick. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I road trip a lot in my 4runner. No complaints from anyone so far. We're not talking quick jaunts, either. Lots of 10-14hr drives. Not sure what's so wrong with yours, but damn, get it checked out. I had it checked out, actually. It needed 2 more cylinders and better suspension and brakes. So I bought a Lexus 460. We took the 4Runner to Colorado twice. Was fun off road, was not fun on the way there/back. Kansas headwinds? Have fun in your underpowered brick. I drive to Kansas City multiple times a year with no issues. And most of the time they're crosswinds on I70, for what it's worth. 
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Posted: 5/25/2022 12:03:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: lol I was being dramatic and still gave it more than reality |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 12:04:23 PM EST
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Did they also manage to make the infotainment display even smaller and more outdated than the current model?
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Posted: 5/25/2022 12:04:52 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The fuck you do. Our 2015 was such a turd if I wanted to pass someone going up a mild incline I had to plan ahead for 10 minutes. My f150 ecoboost doesn’t even downshift and blows past. I’m a Toyota fanboy 100%, but you’re a liar Our GX460 on the other hand, yes, they cruise just fine. Lol ok |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 12:05:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll bite. If we still lived in the world of 2019, I wouldn't have even considered the 4Runner, and I'd be echoing some of your arguments. I would most likely be in an EcoBoost F-150 or a Ram 1500, and I would have bought one of those vehicles knowing full well I might have to make 1-2 extra trips to the service department and that I should probably move on to something newer in 5 years. And that would have been okay with me. But we don't live in the world of 2019. Nearly every aspect of the world around us is showing red flags. We have supply shortages, labor shortages, food shortages, major market instability, military conflict, and very high inflation. There's a very real chance that the service department won't always be an option. There's a very real chance that buying something new and shiny in 3-5 years won't be an option. That's the reality in which I chose the 4Runner. Something with more interesting drivetrain tech would be fun, but I deliberately chose the most proven and reliable body on frame 4x4 on the market for a reason. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Typical Toyota haters: "Oh hai guys. I hate reliable vehicles like the 4Runner, but I own this POS Dodge pickup. It's got a new modern engine. I mean yeah its unreliable but it's "modern". Its got all this cool tech in there but yeah its unreliable but it's modern. Yeah I know we are in a supply chain crisis and realize I can't get basic parts to keep an unreliable vehicle running. I prefer to own vehicles that are super unreliable because they are modern." "Oh look at how the sides of the road are littered with "modern" vehicles with all these "features" because nobody can keep them running. Those who have these "modern" vehicles that are still somehow running must be spending a fortune having them fixed all the time. Meanwhile I'm here with my 4Runner that never has any problems, but if it did it's so utterly simple I could fix it with an adjustable wrench and some pliers like it's still 1945." Said like someone that owns an unreliable vehicle but desperately trying to justify their purchase. I'll bite. If we still lived in the world of 2019, I wouldn't have even considered the 4Runner, and I'd be echoing some of your arguments. I would most likely be in an EcoBoost F-150 or a Ram 1500, and I would have bought one of those vehicles knowing full well I might have to make 1-2 extra trips to the service department and that I should probably move on to something newer in 5 years. And that would have been okay with me. But we don't live in the world of 2019. Nearly every aspect of the world around us is showing red flags. We have supply shortages, labor shortages, food shortages, major market instability, military conflict, and very high inflation. There's a very real chance that the service department won't always be an option. There's a very real chance that buying something new and shiny in 3-5 years won't be an option. That's the reality in which I chose the 4Runner. Something with more interesting drivetrain tech would be fun, but I deliberately chose the most proven and reliable body on frame 4x4 on the market for a reason. Makes sense. I’m actually debating my next vehicle purchase and reliability is probably my most important criteria. My heart wants to take a stab at the new Tundra but my mind says 4Runner. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 12:05:28 PM EST
[#28]
Retro? The ugly 4Runner still looks like it was designed in the 80s
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Posted: 5/25/2022 12:07:17 PM EST
[#29]
I can’t wait for all the “they ruined the 4Runner” threads next year.
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Posted: 5/25/2022 12:10:54 PM EST
[#30]
Retro gay
Like a touring bus for the village people gay |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 12:19:58 PM EST
[#31]
Quoted: In fairness the TRD Pro package is an awful value on any of the vehicles that offer it. Oooooh black trims and an ugly unique paint color that will be available for all the next year anyways. Quoted: For such an expert on a vehicle, you can't seem to grasp the difference between a base model and a limited production model. Yep. lol |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 12:21:16 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I can’t wait for all the “they ruined the 4Runner” threads next year. Arfcom does that every time anyone changes anything.  We'll see what happens, but I think I'll have mixed feelings about it. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 12:25:01 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not the point I’m making at all Toyota vehicles require maintenance too And when you’re using ANY vehicle, things WILL break Toyota isn’t an exception; they just break less frequently On our sixth used Toyota and never had any mechanical problems that weren’t caused by mandated changes for the US market. Melting DRLs and taking asbestos out of head gaskets in the 3VZE affected us. Never had the sludge problem but it did have some connection to higher EGR temp to meet emissions. There were threads on a fan site discussing the V6 3.0s about how they had been detuned to meet emission requirements. A guy was trying higher lift cams with no power gain and discovered the heads were the primary restriction and a little porting made much more power and fuel efficiency. A 25% increase in mileage could be had for only a 10% increase in NOx or something like that. Toyota headlight plastic sucks and hazes badly in sunlight. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 12:25:34 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For all of you cultists- why is it every 4Runner thread majority of people talk about waiting for the 6th Gen for a power increase? Hint- it’s not because your 4.0 v6 is so good. What car enthusiast doesn't dream of more power? |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 12:32:00 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I can’t wait for all the “they ruined the 4Runner” threads next year. You just know it’s coming. My opinion about the 4R aside- might be worth it to buy a brand new one and sit on it for 15 years to resell later. I’m going to miss non hybrid vehicles :( |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 12:35:37 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Makes sense. I’m actually debating my next vehicle purchase and reliability is probably my most important criteria. My heart wants to take a stab at the new Tundra but my mind says 4Runner. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Typical Toyota haters: "Oh hai guys. I hate reliable vehicles like the 4Runner, but I own this POS Dodge pickup. It's got a new modern engine. I mean yeah its unreliable but it's "modern". Its got all this cool tech in there but yeah its unreliable but it's modern. Yeah I know we are in a supply chain crisis and realize I can't get basic parts to keep an unreliable vehicle running. I prefer to own vehicles that are super unreliable because they are modern." "Oh look at how the sides of the road are littered with "modern" vehicles with all these "features" because nobody can keep them running. Those who have these "modern" vehicles that are still somehow running must be spending a fortune having them fixed all the time. Meanwhile I'm here with my 4Runner that never has any problems, but if it did it's so utterly simple I could fix it with an adjustable wrench and some pliers like it's still 1945." Said like someone that owns an unreliable vehicle but desperately trying to justify their purchase. I'll bite. If we still lived in the world of 2019, I wouldn't have even considered the 4Runner, and I'd be echoing some of your arguments. I would most likely be in an EcoBoost F-150 or a Ram 1500, and I would have bought one of those vehicles knowing full well I might have to make 1-2 extra trips to the service department and that I should probably move on to something newer in 5 years. And that would have been okay with me. But we don't live in the world of 2019. Nearly every aspect of the world around us is showing red flags. We have supply shortages, labor shortages, food shortages, major market instability, military conflict, and very high inflation. There's a very real chance that the service department won't always be an option. There's a very real chance that buying something new and shiny in 3-5 years won't be an option. That's the reality in which I chose the 4Runner. Something with more interesting drivetrain tech would be fun, but I deliberately chose the most proven and reliable body on frame 4x4 on the market for a reason. Makes sense. I’m actually debating my next vehicle purchase and reliability is probably my most important criteria. My heart wants to take a stab at the new Tundra but my mind says 4Runner. If tundra still had the V8 I was going to have a hard time deciding. The new power train is probably fine, but I've had 2022 down for a new car for years, and I don't like buying newly redesigned models. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 12:38:07 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Aside from handling and braking like shit, I think my MAIN issue was also having my f150 to drive and feeling the night and day difference. I make no exaggeration when it came to road trips, the 4Runner wasn’t ever going. We were miserable in that thing on the highway. The f150 and later gx460, not at all. I’d buy another 460 any day. My parents have a 2017 4Runner and 2010 F150. They take the Toyota on road trips exclusively unless he’s hauling their boat. I haven’t asked why. Maybe his ford is slow. 5.4 iirc. They get complements in her 4Runner so maybe that’s why. He is jealous that my old GX470 is smoother, quieter and faster but we don’t talk about that in front of her. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 12:38:33 PM EST
[#38]
I had a second Gen Runner and I loved it. Drove it over a decade. I still have a manual transmission FJ Cruiser, and I had an X-Terra.
Compared to the current 4Runner, The harsh reality a 5.7L Hemi dull time AWD with true 4Low Grand Cherokee gets the same gas mileage. A V6 one beats it by 5-6 mpg on my commute. My 392 Challenger beats it in MPG as well. It gets the same MPG on my commute as a 6.4L 4x4 Ram 3/4 ton double cab. Or a GX. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 12:39:25 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My parents have a 2017 4Runner and 2010 F150. They take the Toyota on road trips exclusively unless he’s hauling their boat. I haven’t asked why. Maybe his ford is slow. 5.4 iirc. They get complements in her 4Runner so maybe that’s why. He is jealous that my old GX470 is smoother, quieter and faster but we don’t talk about that in front of her. I only wish I would have grabbed a 470 locally for $6-7k when nobody knew about them. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 12:45:16 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Weird part is that in 20 years, the 4runner will still be sought after. In 20 years the value of the competing feature-rich domestic vehicles will be determined by weight and the spot price of scrap steel. It's probably silly to be the first owner of a 4runner if you're not going to keep it a few decades though, that's true.  This right here! Have you priced a 20 year old Dodge Ram? Now do the same vintage Toyota Tundra. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 12:50:48 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Makes sense. I’m actually debating my next vehicle purchase and reliability is probably my most important criteria. My heart wants to take a stab at the new Tundra but my mind says 4Runner. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Typical Toyota haters: "Oh hai guys. I hate reliable vehicles like the 4Runner, but I own this POS Dodge pickup. It's got a new modern engine. I mean yeah its unreliable but it's "modern". Its got all this cool tech in there but yeah its unreliable but it's modern. Yeah I know we are in a supply chain crisis and realize I can't get basic parts to keep an unreliable vehicle running. I prefer to own vehicles that are super unreliable because they are modern." "Oh look at how the sides of the road are littered with "modern" vehicles with all these "features" because nobody can keep them running. Those who have these "modern" vehicles that are still somehow running must be spending a fortune having them fixed all the time. Meanwhile I'm here with my 4Runner that never has any problems, but if it did it's so utterly simple I could fix it with an adjustable wrench and some pliers like it's still 1945." Said like someone that owns an unreliable vehicle but desperately trying to justify their purchase. I'll bite. If we still lived in the world of 2019, I wouldn't have even considered the 4Runner, and I'd be echoing some of your arguments. I would most likely be in an EcoBoost F-150 or a Ram 1500, and I would have bought one of those vehicles knowing full well I might have to make 1-2 extra trips to the service department and that I should probably move on to something newer in 5 years. And that would have been okay with me. But we don't live in the world of 2019. Nearly every aspect of the world around us is showing red flags. We have supply shortages, labor shortages, food shortages, major market instability, military conflict, and very high inflation. There's a very real chance that the service department won't always be an option. There's a very real chance that buying something new and shiny in 3-5 years won't be an option. That's the reality in which I chose the 4Runner. Something with more interesting drivetrain tech would be fun, but I deliberately chose the most proven and reliable body on frame 4x4 on the market for a reason. Makes sense. I’m actually debating my next vehicle purchase and reliability is probably my most important criteria. My heart wants to take a stab at the new Tundra but my mind says 4Runner. What's the supporting argument for the Tundra? The launch has been rough in terms of reliability/quality, and the Tundra falls behind in most other metrics. I'd absolutely wait for them to sort things out before even considering one. The Big 3 half tons have their problems, but at least we have a pretty good idea what those problems are, at least for most configurations. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 12:53:45 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Want to talk about how shitty the brakes are next? Serious question, are the 4Runner and GX's brakes different? If so, how? Using rockauto.com to compare, a 2019 4Runner and 2019 GX460 use the same front rotors, pads, and calipers.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 12:53:56 PM EST
[#43]
Remove the rainbow
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Posted: 5/25/2022 12:56:43 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I had it checked out, actually. It needed 2 more cylinders and better suspension and brakes. So I bought a Lexus 460. We took the 4Runner to Colorado twice. Was fun off road, was not fun on the way there/back. Kansas headwinds? Have fun in your underpowered brick. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I road trip a lot in my 4runner. No complaints from anyone so far. We're not talking quick jaunts, either. Lots of 10-14hr drives. Not sure what's so wrong with yours, but damn, get it checked out. I had it checked out, actually. It needed 2 more cylinders and better suspension and brakes. So I bought a Lexus 460. We took the 4Runner to Colorado twice. Was fun off road, was not fun on the way there/back. Kansas headwinds? Have fun in your underpowered brick. I owned one (2017) in Santa Fe/Los Alamos and it was a turd. I drove it to Austin (towed 3 motorcycles in a trailer and it got 10 mpg. Drove it to the west coast and it wasn’t so gutless but always wanted to be in top gear by 35 mph which made it a pain. I was always manually shifting it. It really needed a supercharger but I sold it before throwing money at it. I’m certain it will be running at 300k miles but it was a underpowered brick that got 18mpg if I was on the freeway only. 15mpg was reality. I also owned a 2014 and 2017 TRD Tacomas. The 2014 was a better rig, but mainly because I ordered the 2017 in a manual double cab and the gear pattern was horrible when mated with a truck that had zero torque until 5000 rpm. I think lots of 4runner/tacoma folks are like Harley Davidson folks. They are all in, no matter how crappy of a deal they are getting compared to other things on the market. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 12:58:02 PM EST
[#45]
I had am 82 toyota pickup with a factory or pirt installed camper shell and it had those same stripes. It was a "Bushwhacker" edition. Mine was white with the red/orange/yellow stripes.
Another guy in town had a white one with blue stripes. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 12:58:42 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Serious question, are the 4Runner and GX's brakes different? If so, how? Using rockauto.com to compare, a 2019 4Runner and 2019 GX460 use the same front rotors, pads, and calipers. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/220924/rockauto_jpg-2396732.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Want to talk about how shitty the brakes are next? Serious question, are the 4Runner and GX's brakes different? If so, how? Using rockauto.com to compare, a 2019 4Runner and 2019 GX460 use the same front rotors, pads, and calipers. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/220924/rockauto_jpg-2396732.JPG 
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Posted: 5/25/2022 1:01:48 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Serious question, are the 4Runner and GX's brakes different? If so, how? Using rockauto.com to compare, a 2019 4Runner and 2019 GX460 use the same front rotors, pads, and calipers. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/220924/rockauto_jpg-2396732.JPG The way I understood it - the GX’s aren’t ventilated well enough for towing. Couldn’t tell you the difference as far as feel, but the 4R would lock up all the time in light rain, the GX never had that issue. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 1:03:50 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Bro I know you’re waiting anxiously for a “gotcha” moment with me- keep waiting. You’re the guy that comments in every car thread, complains and finds minuscule things to complain about for things you likely can’t afford. You argued with me for half a day about needing payload capacity and how shitty the tundra was, then bought a 4Runner. Just stop. PS- I can’t imagine how unsafe your 4Runner feels towing 4K lb trailers. Should have bought a truck. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 1:04:48 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The way I understood it - the GX’s aren’t ventilated well enough for towing. Couldn’t tell you the difference as far as feel, but the 4R would lock up all the time in light rain, the GX never had that issue. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Serious question, are the 4Runner and GX's brakes different? If so, how? Using rockauto.com to compare, a 2019 4Runner and 2019 GX460 use the same front rotors, pads, and calipers. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/220924/rockauto_jpg-2396732.JPG The way I understood it - the GX’s aren’t ventilated well enough for towing. Couldn’t tell you the difference as far as feel, but the 4R would lock up all the time in light rain, the GX never had that issue. Sounds like more bullshit |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 1:05:48 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sounds like more bullshit Ok. You guys are going to really hate me when I compare your dog turd 4Runners to the almighty Land Cruiser. |
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