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Posted: 5/25/2022 1:16:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok. You guys are going to really hate me when I compare your dog turd 4Runners to the almighty Land Cruiser. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Sounds like more bullshit Ok. You guys are going to really hate me when I compare your dog turd 4Runners to the almighty Land Cruiser. Not really. I would expect a car that costs twice as much to be significantly better. The land cruiser was discontinued too. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 1:21:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not really. I would expect a car that costs twice as much to be significantly better. The land cruiser was discontinued too. Interestingly, my 2005 LC was 100% more refined than my 2015 4Runner. One cost me $10k, the other one $40k. Guess which was which. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 1:22:15 PM EST
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(Removed, CoC-6~guns762)
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Posted: 5/25/2022 1:24:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You sure are one confrontational asshole. Lol Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Ok. You guys are going to really hate me when I compare your dog turd 4Runners to the almighty Land Cruiser. You sure are one confrontational asshole. Lol Seems like compensating |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 1:24:16 PM EST
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We are keeping our 2018 4Runner TRD Pro until our kids/grandkids take the keys away from us in 20 years or so, lol.
I even had a new Kenwood tuner installed so we now have Apple Carplay as well. It's not too slow, it brakes decently and handles fine for what it is. It's basically a slightly smaller Land Cruiser with some modern features. Rock solid and will last a long time. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 1:25:06 PM EST
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How about they scale it back in size and make it a midsized SUV so it's not competing with the Land Cruiser for customers? Make it smaller since everyone wants a fuel efficient car instead of the land whale it's become? I like the size of the 90s-early 2000s size. 4 doors is functional, but do they have to be a friggin' freight ship?
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Posted: 5/25/2022 1:25:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How about they scale it back in size and make it a midsized SUV so it's not competing with the Land Cruiser for customers? Make it smaller since everyone wants a fuel efficient car instead of the land whale it's become? I like the size of the 90s-early 2000s size. 4 doors is functional, but do they have to be a friggin' freight ship? They discontinued the land cruiser |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 1:29:14 PM EST
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No removable top, No care.
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Posted: 5/25/2022 1:30:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How about they scale it back in size and make it a midsized SUV so it's not competing with the Land Cruiser for customers? Make it smaller since everyone wants a fuel efficient car instead of the land whale it's become? I like the size of the 90s-early 2000s size. 4 doors is functional, but do they have to be a friggin' freight ship? I believe what you’re after is the Toyota Fortuner based off the Hilux |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 1:30:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They discontinued the land cruiser No, they didn’t. Just just stopped importing to the US |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 1:31:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bro I know you’re waiting anxiously for a “gotcha” moment with me- keep waiting. You’re the guy that comments in every car thread, complains and finds minuscule things to complain about for things you likely can’t afford. You argued with me for half a day about needing payload capacity and how shitty the tundra was, then bought a 4Runner. Just stop. PS- I can’t imagine how unsafe your 4Runner feels towing 4K lb trailers. Should have bought a truck. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted:  Bro I know you’re waiting anxiously for a “gotcha” moment with me- keep waiting. You’re the guy that comments in every car thread, complains and finds minuscule things to complain about for things you likely can’t afford. You argued with me for half a day about needing payload capacity and how shitty the tundra was, then bought a 4Runner. Just stop. PS- I can’t imagine how unsafe your 4Runner feels towing 4K lb trailers. Should have bought a truck. These are simple concepts... -What a man can afford and what he is willing to spend are differing ideas, particularly when discussing depreciating assets. -The Tundra objectively compares poorly to the competition in its class, and there aren't really any good reasons to consider buying one. -Half ton trucks are one of the worst values on the market right now, and there are none available that I would trust in the current circumstances. -3/4 ton trucks are hard to find, I don't particularly want one, and I wouldn't be enthusiastic about feeding one with skyrocketing gas prices. -A 4Runner with a basic trailer is rated to haul more than most half tons can without a trailer, and it can do so more reliably and at significantly less expense. The trailer gets bonus points for being easier to load and more durable than any truck bed. I like trucks. Part of me wonders if I should have kept my old F-150 as a spare vehicle, but I didn't. I will probably buy another truck of some flavor in the future depending upon how the industry goes. But, with the state of things today, it did not make logical sense for me to buy a truck. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 1:34:30 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, they didn’t. Just just stopped importing to the US Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They discontinued the land cruiser No, they didn’t. Just just stopped importing to the US LoL Maybe you should write a letter to tell them about it. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 1:35:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok. You guys are going to really hate me when I compare your dog turd 4Runners to the almighty Land Cruiser. Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok. You guys are going to really hate me when I compare your dog turd 4Runners to the almighty Land Cruiser. The $90k+ vehicle is/was better than the $45k vehicle?  Quoted: Interestingly, my 2005 LC was 100% more refined than my 2015 4Runner. One cost me $10k, the other one $40k. Guess which was which. Are you completely incapable of making an apples to apples comparison? |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 1:40:37 PM EST
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: They discontinued the land cruiser No, they didn’t. Just just stopped importing to the US LoL Maybe you should write a letter to tell them about it. I disagree about most of what he's said about the 4Runner in this thread but I believe he is correct about the Land Cruiser. The next gen Land Cruiser (J300) is alive and well and being sold overseas, just not here in the US. It was the same deal for the FJ Cruiser. It lived on in other markets for a while, just was no longer available in the US after 2014. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 1:41:43 PM EST
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as a 1st and 3rd gen owner..
I would have preferred maybe some way from that concepts years ago on taking the top off like my 1st gen 86 |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 1:42:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I disagree about most of what he's said about the 4Runner in this thread but I believe he is correct about the Land Cruiser. The next gen Land Cruiser (J300) is alive and well and being sold overseas. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: They discontinued the land cruiser No, they didn’t. Just just stopped importing to the US LoL Maybe you should write a letter to tell them about it. I disagree about most of what he's said about the 4Runner in this thread but I believe he is correct about the Land Cruiser. The next gen Land Cruiser (J300) is alive and well and being sold overseas. I don't disagree. Toyota still uses the term "discontinued" in our market. I typed what their marketing announcement said. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 2:03:02 PM EST
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I love my 4Runner, '19 TRD Pro. I love my '16 F350 CCLB DRW. They both accomplish what the other can't. It amazes me that people have so much hate for any vehicle. The CP4 pump blew in the Ford and took out the entire fuel system, thank you insurance because Ford warranty can kiss my ass. (note: Dodge & Chevy are denying the warranty on the CP4 for all the same reasons) Still love that truck for the things it can do.
I'd love to have a 911 Turbo with all the bells & whistles. Man could I blast the doors off of 99% of the "slowpokes" on the highway, but the approach angles and ground clearance sucks for offroad, the towing capacity is shit, and I can't fit grandkids & dogs in there on the same road trip. P.S. GX460 dweebs are like HK tards hating on Glock......Can't we both look down at Jeep as the High Point of 4x4?  |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 2:05:21 PM EST
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I get a lot of good comments from people...in regards to my 2020 TRD PRO, in it's Army Olive Green color. It does blend in well with the spring turkey woodlands.
A 4Runner can be outfitted with a supercharger for about $6,000...but such an installation will void the engine warranty. With the rear seats folded...any person that is 5' 8" or less in height...can sleep comfortably in the back of a 4Runner. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 2:15:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't disagree. Toyota still uses the term "discontinued" in our market. I typed what their marketing announcement said. In “our” market, just like I said. Reading isn’t hard. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 2:17:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOk. https://www.toyota.com.au/landcruiser-300 |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 2:18:46 PM EST
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Posted: 5/25/2022 2:25:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They discontinued the land cruiser Its now called the Lexus LX600 in USA, bring lots of money and wait. Rest of world get the LC 300. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 2:27:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Its now called the Lexus LX600 in USA, bring lots of money and wait. Rest of world get the LC 300. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They discontinued the land cruiser Its now called the Lexus LX600 in USA, bring lots of money and wait. Rest of world get the LC 300. When I got my 4runner there was a used 2021 land cruiser with less than 10k miles for only $116k |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 2:35:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because it's a Lexus and it costs 30%+ more than a 4Runner? lol Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: No mention of the 20 year old 4.0 with 295hp and 0-60 in 12 minutes while being noisy as fuck struggling at highway speed? No shit. Every time I think about replacing my 20 year old Toyota, I do a quick cost-benefit analysis and think "nope". My new GX is the most enjoyable vehicle on the highway to drive that I've ever owned. It just rides and drives so nice...I'm not sure why it's so much nicer than my 4Runner but it is. Because it's a Lexus and it costs 30%+ more than a 4Runner? lol It's the same frame and steering setup with basically the same suspension setup between a TRD ORP w/ KDSS and the GX 460 so they really aren't that much different. The GX has acoustic glass whereas the 4Runner doesn't which makes the GX quieter. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 2:36:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Aside from handling and braking like shit, I think my MAIN issue was also having my f150 to drive and feeling the night and day difference. I make no exaggeration when it came to road trips, the 4Runner wasn’t ever going. We were miserable in that thing on the highway. The f150 and later gx460, not at all. I’d buy another 460 any day. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: My 2016 SR5 4Runner with KO2's in OEM size was perfectly stable and smooth on the Interstate at 80MPH. Yours must have had something wrong with it. ETA: The GX is better on the Interstate but the 4Runner wasn't horrible. Aside from handling and braking like shit, I think my MAIN issue was also having my f150 to drive and feeling the night and day difference. I make no exaggeration when it came to road trips, the 4Runner wasn’t ever going. We were miserable in that thing on the highway. The f150 and later gx460, not at all. I’d buy another 460 any day. That's very weird as I never got the feeling that the 4Runner was like that and I even had it up to 105mph more than once back when I first got it. I will say though that the KO2's made the steering wheel shake for the first couple of miles on roads around here but I blame the KO2's for that as it's a common occurrence. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 2:38:10 PM EST
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I am a big 4RNR fan and think they are the best vehicle on the road, second only to the Landcruiser....and I for one an happy with the bullet proof, reliable 4.0L V-6 engine that has 0-60 time that can be measured with a hour-glass.....
My '22 TRDORP with its big brother in the background....I actually enjoy driving the 4RNR as much as the 2020 LC 
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Posted: 5/25/2022 2:40:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok. https://www.toyota.com.au/landcruiser-300 Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok. https://www.toyota.com.au/landcruiser-300 The first line I linked said discontinued. Write Toyota a letter and let them know you understand their job better than they do. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 2:41:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In 2015 I bought a new Mustang GT with all the goodies. Since then I've been picking up a new replacement vehicle every 2-3 years since I like to try things out. All of these have had more features/tech than the vaunted 4Runner. In the 7 years since then I've had 2 trips to the dealer, one was a head gasket recall on my Focus RS because Ford assembled some engines with the wrong head gasket, and the other was for a faulty sensor on the emissions system on my XC60. You seem to have readily consumed the koolaid that leads you to believe everything that's not stuck in the past is just waiting to break down on you. Meanwhile I'm enjoying stuff that's far more efficient, faster, more fun, much more comfortable, much more pleasant to be in (you ever had cooled massaging seats? I bet not), and if the price to pay for that is 2 trips to the dealer in 7 years then I'll happily accept that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Typical Toyota haters: "Oh hai guys. I hate reliable vehicles like the 4Runner, but I own this POS Dodge pickup. It's got a new modern engine. I mean yeah its unreliable but it's "modern". Its got all this cool tech in there but yeah its unreliable but it's modern. Yeah I know we are in a supply chain crisis and realize I can't get basic parts to keep an unreliable vehicle running. I prefer to own vehicles that are super unreliable because they are modern." "Oh look at how the sides of the road are littered with "modern" vehicles with all these "features" because nobody can keep them running. Those who have these "modern" vehicles that are still somehow running must be spending a fortune having them fixed all the time. Meanwhile I'm here with my 4Runner that never has any problems, but if it did it's so utterly simple I could fix it with an adjustable wrench and some pliers like it's still 1945." Said like someone that owns an unreliable vehicle but desperately trying to justify their purchase. I want nothing to do with cooled massaging seats as I don't care what brand it is...they'll fail with a quickness. I don't even like that the steering wheel on my GX retracts and lifts up as part of the "Easy Exit" feature. I turned the seat movement off but I need Techstream to turn off the steering wheel part of it. I also don't care about a heated steering wheel. I am starting to like the heated and ventilated seats though they are growing on me. Some people just don't get all that enamored with the creature comforts of modern vehicles. That's the great thing about choice...everyone can choose to buy the vehicle they want with the features they want at a price they can afford. You couldn't give me a Dodge and expect me to keep it for more than a couple of days until I could trade it on basically any other brand of vehicle. I just don't like them and never will. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 2:43:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's the same frame and steering setup with basically the same suspension setup between a TRD ORP w/ KDSS and the GX 460 so they really aren't that much different. The GX has acoustic glass whereas the 4Runner doesn't which makes the GX quieter. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: No mention of the 20 year old 4.0 with 295hp and 0-60 in 12 minutes while being noisy as fuck struggling at highway speed? No shit. Every time I think about replacing my 20 year old Toyota, I do a quick cost-benefit analysis and think "nope". My new GX is the most enjoyable vehicle on the highway to drive that I've ever owned. It just rides and drives so nice...I'm not sure why it's so much nicer than my 4Runner but it is. Because it's a Lexus and it costs 30%+ more than a 4Runner? lol It's the same frame and steering setup with basically the same suspension setup between a TRD ORP w/ KDSS and the GX 460 so they really aren't that much different. The GX has acoustic glass whereas the 4Runner doesn't which makes the GX quieter. It's an entire spectrum of things, and some of the details are probably pretty small. There's obvious stuff like the different engine, better materials, and better sound isolation. There are probably parts that seem similar, but aren't. Is the suspension "basically the same" or is it "exactly the same?" From an overly simplistic standpoint, the Toyota site says the 4Runner has a curb weight of 4,675 lbs while the Lexus site says the GX has a curb weight of 5,126 lbs. So, when you buy a GX, you're spending a lot more money, but you're also getting an additional almost 500 lbs of... something. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 2:45:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For transparency- the GX460 does have a few flaws -infotainment until 2022 was stuck in the 4Runners 2010 era -terrible interior lighting (why use LED’s for half the rig, and yellow bulbs for the other half in a $65k truck?) -brakes, while better than 4R, didn’t seem to ventilate well. Warped a front set with 1 trip towing my river skiff. Read about similar experiences with others -fuel mileage Outside of those, one of the best vehicles on American roads Don't forget the retarded "barn door". Every SUV should have the LC200 rear door setup. I'm fine with the interior lights but LED's would have been better given the cost of the vehicle How much did your river skiff weigh? I put about 1000 miles on my GX right after I got it with a 3500lb-4500lb loaded single axle trailer and was really happy with how it towed. I do have trailer brakes though. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 2:45:35 PM EST
[#31]
I recently rented a 2022 4runner TRD pro. It was a smooth ride and I got around 18mpg around town and roughly 20mpg on the country roads. It is a bit perplexing that a 2022 has the same powerplant as my 2010 FJ cruiser. The 4runners are nice but I am not rushing out to buy one at 50k.
I also rented a newer Jeep Grand Cherokee Trailhawk model. Felt like I was driving a marshmallow. Not quite as efficient as the 4runner. Auto-parallel parking was pretty cool though. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 2:46:43 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Needs a 2.7 eco boost equivalent. Yuck. Keep that nasty ass shit on fords. It needs a V8, not that retardation |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 2:48:08 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The 4Runner's liftgate with a rear window that can roll down is far superior to the swing door (that swings the wrong way) of the GX460. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: For transparency- the GX460 does have a few flaws -infotainment until 2022 was stuck in the 4Runners 2010 era -terrible interior lighting (why use LED’s for half the rig, and yellow bulbs for the other half in a $65k truck?) -brakes, while better than 4R, didn’t seem to ventilate well. Warped a front set with 1 trip towing my river skiff. Read about similar experiences with others -fuel mileage Outside of those, one of the best vehicles on American roads The 4Runner's liftgate with a rear window that can roll down is far superior to the swing door (that swings the wrong way) of the GX460. I agree about a liftgate being better but unlike most I didn't care about the rear window rolling down. I think I did it once or twice over the 4 years I owned the vehicle just to try it out and just didn't get the appeal. I don't have a dog though. I have noticed that the rear swing type doors of many other vehicles swing the same way as the GX including the Jeep which I found odd. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 2:49:21 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In fairness the TRD Pro package is an awful value on any of the vehicles that offer it. Oooooh black trims and an ugly unique paint color that will be available for all the next year anyways. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Weird, my local dealer has a lime green 4R TRD for $65k on the lot as of yesterday In fairness the TRD Pro package is an awful value on any of the vehicles that offer it. Oooooh black trims and an ugly unique paint color that will be available for all the next year anyways. The only thing it has going for it is the dual-zone climate control which only the Limited has otherwise. For some stupid reason though it doesn't have memory seats which the Limited (and only Limited) 4Runner has and that blows my mind. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 2:51:33 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't forget the retarded "barn door". Every SUV should have the LC200 rear door setup. I'm fine with the interior lights but LED's would have been better given the cost of the vehicle How much did your river skiff weigh? I put about 1000 miles on my GX right after I got it with a 3500lb-4500lb loaded single axle trailer and was really happy with how it towed. I do have trailer brakes though. Ya know, I’m weird- I actually like the GX barn door rear gate. I much prefer the LC’s (er, used to), but the GX door is nice. Skiff only weighs about 2k lbs, but it’s a 2.5 hour trip to the river thru Arkansas mountains and it doesn’t have trailer brakes. My f150 tows it fine, the GX had the power to tow it just got the brakes a little too toasty. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 2:51:59 PM EST
[#36]
The response in this thread is why I laugh when people claim that a bare bones truck would sell like hot cakes.
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Posted: 5/25/2022 2:52:56 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For such an expert on a vehicle, you can't seem to grasp the difference between a base model and a limited production model.  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Weird, my local dealer has a lime green 4R TRD for $65k on the lot as of yesterday For such an expert on a vehicle, you can't seem to grasp the difference between a base model and a limited production model. It may be limited production, however, it's not special enough to sell for more than a GX. The TRD Pro is a $55K vehicle and even that is overpriced for what you get compared to a TRD ORP. The only advantage it has over the ORP is the dual-zone climate control. Everything else can be added (suspension, wheels, rack, etc) to the ORP and you could get better stuff for less money. If you don't want to modify your vehicle at all though the TRD Pro is a good option since you can just take it off the lot and drive it. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 2:53:04 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yuck. Keep that nasty ass shit on fords. It needs a V8, not that retardation The current 2.7 Ecoboost is Fords most reliable 150 motor and doesn’t have the issues the 5.0 V8 (oil loss) and 3.5 eco has (cam phasers). Everyone raves about the 2.7 |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 2:53:59 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No mention of the 20 year old 4.0 with 295hp and 0-60 in 12 minutes while being noisy as fuck struggling at highway speed? Quote HistoryQuoted: No mention of the 20 year old 4.0 with 295hp and 0-60 in 12 minutes while being noisy as fuck struggling at highway speed? It's lasted so long for a reason. It works. I loved mine, but had to sell it Quoted: Still can’t come up with anything new I like it but it’s the same as the land cruiser special edition, so I expect this will be overpriced too Why change what works? The 4.0 is solid. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 2:54:02 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree about a liftgate being better but unlike most I didn't care about the rear window rolling down. I think I did it once or twice over the 4 years I owned the vehicle just to try it out and just didn't get the appeal. I don't have a dog though. I have noticed that the rear swing type doors of many other vehicles swing the same way as the GX including the Jeep which I found odd. I rolled our window down twice on the 4Runner. Once on a dirt road, that was one hard lesson to learn to never do again. Dirt and dust everywhere! |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 2:57:12 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No mention of the 20 year old 4.0 with 295hp and 0-60 in 12 minutes while being noisy as fuck struggling at highway speed? Besides those things being tiny as hell on the inside, it does look pretty cool. I call that a "girlfriend ride" because it's something you'd want your girlfriend to drive so you can drive it whenever you want, but you don't have to deal with all the shitty things about it. 
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Posted: 5/25/2022 3:02:54 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ya know, I’m weird- I actually like the GX barn door rear gate. I much prefer the LC’s (er, used to), but the GX door is nice. Skiff only weighs about 2k lbs, but it’s a 2.5 hour trip to the river thru Arkansas mountains and it doesn’t have trailer brakes. My f150 tows it fine, the GX had the power to tow it just got the brakes a little too toasty. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Don't forget the retarded "barn door". Every SUV should have the LC200 rear door setup. I'm fine with the interior lights but LED's would have been better given the cost of the vehicle How much did your river skiff weigh? I put about 1000 miles on my GX right after I got it with a 3500lb-4500lb loaded single axle trailer and was really happy with how it towed. I do have trailer brakes though. Ya know, I’m weird- I actually like the GX barn door rear gate. I much prefer the LC’s (er, used to), but the GX door is nice. Skiff only weighs about 2k lbs, but it’s a 2.5 hour trip to the river thru Arkansas mountains and it doesn’t have trailer brakes. My f150 tows it fine, the GX had the power to tow it just got the brakes a little too toasty. I could see 2000lbs through the mountains without trailer brakes causing heat issues with the GX brakes. I specifically bought the "HD" version of my trailer because I wanted trailer brakes regardless of how heavy the trailer was. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 3:04:53 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I rolled our window down twice on the 4Runner. Once on a dirt road, that was one hard lesson to learn to never do again. Dirt and dust everywhere! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I agree about a liftgate being better but unlike most I didn't care about the rear window rolling down. I think I did it once or twice over the 4 years I owned the vehicle just to try it out and just didn't get the appeal. I don't have a dog though. I have noticed that the rear swing type doors of many other vehicles swing the same way as the GX including the Jeep which I found odd. I rolled our window down twice on the 4Runner. Once on a dirt road, that was one hard lesson to learn to never do again. Dirt and dust everywhere! That right there is why I just don't get the benefit of the roll down window as there seems to be a vortex right by it of moving air. I guess maybe if you're camping it may be nice though. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 3:05:01 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's called "retro" or "vintage performance"- it's part of the whole experience. Besides those things being tiny as hell on the inside, it does look pretty cool. I call that a "girlfriend ride" because it's something you'd want your girlfriend to drive so you can drive it whenever you want, but you don't have to deal with all the shitty things about it. LOL When I first got the GX my buddy told me I drove a “hot mom car” and I laughed pretty good about that accuracy. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 3:08:57 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I recently rented a 2022 4runner TRD pro. It was a smooth ride and I got around 18mpg around town and roughly 20mpg on the country roads. It is a bit perplexing that a 2022 has the same powerplant as my 2010 FJ cruiser. The 4runners are nice but I am not rushing out to buy one at 50k. I also rented a newer Jeep Grand Cherokee Trailhawk model. Felt like I was driving a marshmallow. Not quite as efficient as the 4runner. Auto-parallel parking was pretty cool though. Not a big difference, but 4x4 4runner starts around $40k. Adjusted for inflation, it's actually more affordable than 20 years ago. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 3:10:02 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree about a liftgate being better but unlike most I didn't care about the rear window rolling down. I think I did it once or twice over the 4 years I owned the vehicle just to try it out and just didn't get the appeal. I don't have a dog though. I have noticed that the rear swing type doors of many other vehicles swing the same way as the GX including the Jeep which I found odd. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: For transparency- the GX460 does have a few flaws -infotainment until 2022 was stuck in the 4Runners 2010 era -terrible interior lighting (why use LED’s for half the rig, and yellow bulbs for the other half in a $65k truck?) -brakes, while better than 4R, didn’t seem to ventilate well. Warped a front set with 1 trip towing my river skiff. Read about similar experiences with others -fuel mileage Outside of those, one of the best vehicles on American roads The 4Runner's liftgate with a rear window that can roll down is far superior to the swing door (that swings the wrong way) of the GX460. I agree about a liftgate being better but unlike most I didn't care about the rear window rolling down. I think I did it once or twice over the 4 years I owned the vehicle just to try it out and just didn't get the appeal. I don't have a dog though. I have noticed that the rear swing type doors of many other vehicles swing the same way as the GX including the Jeep which I found odd. Did you have a sunroof? I like rolling down the rear window when the sunroof is open. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 3:10:20 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So a dressed up SR5 premium? That's exactly what it is. Notice the 4WD transfer case switch. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 3:13:21 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Did you have a sunroof? I like rolling down the rear window when the sunroof is open. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: For transparency- the GX460 does have a few flaws -infotainment until 2022 was stuck in the 4Runners 2010 era -terrible interior lighting (why use LED’s for half the rig, and yellow bulbs for the other half in a $65k truck?) -brakes, while better than 4R, didn’t seem to ventilate well. Warped a front set with 1 trip towing my river skiff. Read about similar experiences with others -fuel mileage Outside of those, one of the best vehicles on American roads The 4Runner's liftgate with a rear window that can roll down is far superior to the swing door (that swings the wrong way) of the GX460. I agree about a liftgate being better but unlike most I didn't care about the rear window rolling down. I think I did it once or twice over the 4 years I owned the vehicle just to try it out and just didn't get the appeal. I don't have a dog though. I have noticed that the rear swing type doors of many other vehicles swing the same way as the GX including the Jeep which I found odd. Did you have a sunroof? I like rolling down the rear window when the sunroof is open. I did not. Now I do in the GX but I didn't really want it...I just didn't have an option. I'll never open it though I do keep the shade open most of the time. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 3:14:00 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That right there is why I just don't get the benefit of the roll down window as there seems to be a vortex right by it of moving air. I guess maybe if you're camping it may be nice though. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I agree about a liftgate being better but unlike most I didn't care about the rear window rolling down. I think I did it once or twice over the 4 years I owned the vehicle just to try it out and just didn't get the appeal. I don't have a dog though. I have noticed that the rear swing type doors of many other vehicles swing the same way as the GX including the Jeep which I found odd. I rolled our window down twice on the 4Runner. Once on a dirt road, that was one hard lesson to learn to never do again. Dirt and dust everywhere! That right there is why I just don't get the benefit of the roll down window as there seems to be a vortex right by it of moving air. I guess maybe if you're camping it may be nice though. I got addicted to the power rear window on my F-150, and it's one of my favorite "fluff" features. In most situations, the rear window is the first one I open. With the back window open and the vents on, you can get pretty good airflow at speed without much noise. If you open the back window before you open the front windows, there's no buffeting, and the air flow is much smoother. This was true with both the F-150 and the 4Runner. If I'm on gravel/dirt, all the windows go up and I use the HVAC unless I'm going slow in a campground or something. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 3:14:34 PM EST
[#50]
Automotive Press thinks the 6th Gen 4Runner is going to get longer and wider which I think would be a mistake.
If they make it basically a full-size SUV then there's more competition in that space. |
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