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Posted: 7/7/2021 7:01:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone know the story about two pilots flying WW2 Avengers over there? Maybe Courseairs? Neither of those aircraft were flown anywhere near there. |
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Posted: 7/7/2021 7:03:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is there anywhere to read up on the overall history of Rhodesia and what happened there? I'm currently reading the book Fireforce by Chris Cocks and it's been a great read so far. A good start is The Rhodesia War: A Military History by Paul L. Moorcraft and Peter McLaughlin |
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Posted: 7/7/2021 7:04:43 PM EST
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Posted: 7/7/2021 7:05:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think Shawn's intent was to shit on veterans themselves. Sure reads like it. |
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Posted: 7/7/2021 7:07:33 PM EST
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The series of books by Hannes Wessels are fairly comprehensive in their own right.
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Posted: 7/7/2021 7:10:44 PM EST
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Quoted: Neither of those aircraft were flown anywhere near there. And yet I remember hearing about pilots flying old war birds in Africa. |
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Posted: 7/7/2021 9:08:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And yet I remember hearing about pilots flying old war birds in Africa. You're probably thinking of the Katanga/Congo. They had T6 Texans (Harvard) flown by mercenaries. |
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Posted: 7/7/2021 9:09:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're probably thinking of the Congo. They had Texans flown by mercenaries Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: And yet I remember hearing about pilots flying old war birds in Africa. You're probably thinking of the Congo. They had Texans flown by mercenaries That's the first thing I thought of, Congo war. |
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Posted: 7/7/2021 9:18:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's the first thing I thought of, Congo war. since this is a Rhodesian thread   |
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Posted: 7/7/2021 9:23:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Books: Fire force The Rhodesian Civil war The Rhodesian war fifty years on 3 sips of Gin Thanks. I am looking those up. I have read a few on the war but I always like new stuff. |
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Posted: 7/7/2021 9:44:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks. I am looking those up. I have read a few on the war but I always like new stuff. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Books: Fire force The Rhodesian Civil war The Rhodesian war fifty years on 3 sips of Gin Thanks. I am looking those up. I have read a few on the war but I always like new stuff. Anyone know if this version is real as it is much cheaper than the out of print copies? |
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Posted: 7/7/2021 9:50:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And yet I remember hearing about pilots flying old war birds in Africa. Congo civil war, birds at 2:55, not sure where the pilots are from.  Guns for Hire - Congo '64 [Remastered] |
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Posted: 7/7/2021 9:57:48 PM EST
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It's worth noting what happened in Rhodesia. A republican form of government provided for prosperity and security for all, but disenfranchised the majority, ethnic blacks. Communists seized on the racial dispute to leverage a split, and pushed for democracy. Once democracy was in place, the majority stripped rights from the minorities and destroyed the prosperity and stability they had known before. Everyone knows Zimbabwe transformed the breadbasket of Africa to a net importer of food and an economic disaster. Thanks to democracy.
Think on that in the context of today's America. |
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Posted: 7/7/2021 9:59:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's worth noting what happened in Rhodesia. A republican form of government provided for prosperity and security for all, but disenfranchised the majority, ethnic blacks. Communists seized on the racial dispute to leverage a split, and pushed for democracy. Once democracy was in place, the majority stripped rights from the minorities and destroyed the prosperity and stability they had known before. Everyone knows Zimbabwe transformed the breadbasket of Africa to a net importer of food and an economic disaster. Thanks to democracy. Think on that in the context of today's America. |
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Posted: 7/7/2021 10:11:15 PM EST
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 My Rhodie build on an RA lower, SA mixed parts kit with a DSA R1 reciever 
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Posted: 7/7/2021 10:16:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In B4 all the tough guys who never served one second in the military start parroting “slot a floppy” and other chest thumping sentences.  Are we even allowed to say that here?
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Posted: 7/7/2021 10:22:24 PM EST
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What happened in Rhodesia breaks my heart.
Communism is satanic. |
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Posted: 7/7/2021 10:27:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: thank you for your service fighting for Israel, big oil and poppy fields, Hero. You're welcome. God will bless those who bless Israel, and curse those who curse Israel. |
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Posted: 7/7/2021 10:27:58 PM EST
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I have two Rhodesian magazines.
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Posted: 7/7/2021 10:37:58 PM EST
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Not an expert in post-colonial African geopolitics and history by any stretch, but wasn't a large chunk of the Rhodesian military and security service made up of black Rhodesians? At least even in a segregated society, they had a higher standard of living and a chance for a better life whereas if communism took over they knew they would be nothing but infinitely worse off- at least as I understand it.
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Posted: 7/7/2021 10:42:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not an expert in post-colonial African geopolitics and history by any stretch, but wasn't a large chunk of the Rhodesian military and security service made up of black Rhodesians? At least even in a segregated society, they had a higher standard of living and a chance for a better life whereas if communism took over they knew they would be nothing but infinitely worse off- at least as I understand it. Yes black rhodesians made up the majority of their military. They fought hard right along side white rhodesians. In the end they were screwed over by the rest of the world and it fell apart. |
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Posted: 7/7/2021 10:42:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: thank you for your service fighting for Israel, big oil and poppy fields, Hero. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: In B4 all the tough guys who never served one second in the military start parroting “slot a floppy” and other chest thumping sentences. thank you for your service fighting for Israel, big oil and poppy fields, Hero. 
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Posted: 7/8/2021 2:01:37 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are we even allowed to say that here?Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: In B4 all the tough guys who never served one second in the military start parroting “slot a floppy” and other chest thumping sentences. Are we even allowed to say that here?Black Rhodesians slotted floppies, so we all good here. |
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Posted: 7/8/2021 3:06:39 AM EST
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Too bad the worthless sheep molesting peanut farmer screwed them over by demanding new elections rigged in Mugabe's favor.
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Posted: 7/8/2021 3:31:15 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's worth noting what happened in Rhodesia. A republican form of government provided for prosperity and security for all, but disenfranchised the majority, ethnic blacks. Communists seized on the racial dispute to leverage a split, and pushed for democracy. Once democracy was in place, the majority stripped rights from the minorities and destroyed the prosperity and stability they had known before. Everyone knows Zimbabwe transformed the breadbasket of Africa to a net importer of food and an economic disaster. Thanks to democracy. Think on that in the context of today's America. Interdasting... |
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Posted: 7/8/2021 3:36:22 AM EST
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Posted: 7/8/2021 3:52:51 AM EST
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Posted: 7/8/2021 4:00:11 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In B4 all the tough guys who never served one second in the military start parroting “slot a floppy” and other chest thumping sentences. huh? fucks that got to do with anything in this thread? go flex somewhere else clown |
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Posted: 7/8/2021 4:41:52 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A world of bags to chose from and you pick to be the one that douche comes in…. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: thank you for your service fighting for Israel, big oil and poppy fields, Hero. A world of bags to chose from and you pick to be the one that douche comes in…. I made the mistake of skimming his blog recently. Just about any geopolitical bad news that comes up is somehow Israel's fault, or the fault of US politicians and officials secretly doing Israel's bidding. |
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Posted: 7/8/2021 5:11:27 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The entire documentary is on youtube but you can't share it. I'm glad I still have paper copies of the Bible and the constitution. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They burned you video OP.  The entire documentary is on youtube but you can't share it. I'm glad I still have paper copies of the Bible and the constitution. Old dictionaries are very good to have as well. |
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Posted: 7/8/2021 5:57:12 AM EST
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Ian Smith Firing Line interview
https://youtu.be/t1OzfpPtJoQ |
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Posted: 7/8/2021 6:58:46 AM EST
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Communism never stops, negotiates or attempts to compromise. Communist as such are only stoped when they are exterminated to every man, woman and child. Communists are willing to go to these lengths to succeed. All other forms of governments and their citizens are not because they have a moral compass that is founded on a religious belief in a god of some sort and a belief murder is wrong unless provoked by another’s actions against their moral code.
Once communism gets a foothold in a society, bloodshed is inevitable. The sickest part of a society is when globalists attempts to profit off it citizens by allowing communism to enter its society thinking it can control the communist and profit while using the communist as the villain to control its citizens. You can’t control cancer. |
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Posted: 7/8/2021 7:02:35 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Black Rhodesians slotted floppies, so we all good here. Yep, they often walked point with A-5 shotguns loaded with duplex shells....Sort of a buck-n-ball load. |
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Posted: 7/8/2021 7:08:50 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: thank you for your service fighting for Israel, big oil and poppy fields, Hero. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: In B4 all the tough guys who never served one second in the military start parroting “slot a floppy” and other chest thumping sentences. thank you for your service fighting for Israel, big oil and poppy fields, Hero.   
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Posted: 7/8/2021 7:08:54 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am a big fan of the Rhodesian Constitution and voting system. A Roll and B Roll. To get on A Roll, you had to have some skin in the game. B Roll was for those who didn't meet income or other requirements. It wasn't racial there were whites on B roll who didn't work. One man one vote is a failed system. We are living proof of this right now. Rhodesia also had more black millionaires then the US did at the time. What was also pretty cool was how Rhodesia didn't force black Africans who wanted a traditional tribal life to live in European civilization. The Tribal System was left intact with the chiefs consulting with the Rhodesian government - a true republic. This is probably why the British were so against it. |
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Posted: 7/8/2021 7:14:01 AM EST
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Posted: 7/8/2021 7:23:06 AM EST
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In high school I did my research paper in an English class on Rhodesia. It was interesting because it was happening and you barely heard of it in the "nightly news".
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Posted: 7/8/2021 7:27:01 AM EST
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 Rhodesian FAL - with Larry Vickers |
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Posted: 7/8/2021 8:07:02 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Communism never stops, negotiates or attempts to compromise. Communist as such are only stoped when they are exterminated to every man, woman and child. Communists are willing to go to these lengths to succeed. All other forms of governments and their citizens are not because they have a moral compass that is founded on a religious belief in a god of some sort and a belief murder is wrong unless provoked by another’s actions against their moral code. Once communism gets a foothold in a society, bloodshed is inevitable. The sickest part of a society is when globalists attempts to profit off it citizens by allowing communism to enter its society thinking it can control the communist and profit while using the communist as the villain to control its citizens. You can’t control cancer. |
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Posted: 7/8/2021 8:15:48 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In B4 all the tough guys who never served one second in the military start parroting “slot a floppy” and other chest thumping sentences. Yeah lots of pathetic losers on here who were too cowardly to join the military yet will crap on posts like this. 
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Posted: 7/8/2021 8:30:48 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When assholes collide. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: In B4 all the tough guys who never served one second in the military start parroting “slot a floppy” and other chest thumping sentences. thank you for your service fighting for Israel, big oil and poppy fields, Hero. I don’t know which is worse, veterans that think they are now special or people that shit in veterans. Neither is a good look. When assholes collide. Well, one shot his mouth off first without provocation in order to look cool and be edgy while flaunting his military service. The retort, in looking at the last 20 years of what the US military has been used for, was not entirely incorrect. Eta:. That is not an insult to service members. Rather one against US government miss use of same. |
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Posted: 7/8/2021 9:16:37 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: thank you for your service fighting for Israel, big oil and poppy fields, Hero. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: In B4 all the tough guys who never served one second in the military start parroting “slot a floppy” and other chest thumping sentences. thank you for your service fighting for Israel, big oil and poppy fields, Hero. Well, for what it's worth, I enlisted to kill. So, we could've been fighting Israelis, and it wouldn't have made a difference to me, I just wanted to pop my cherry. |
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Posted: 7/8/2021 9:43:36 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What kept you from serving? Fear? Physical or mental incapacity? Or did mommy say no? I’m sure you’re quite the tier 1 commando / office gun guy in real life. Dakota Meyer is that you?! Get off your high horse. I work with people like you, they are the lowest performers on our team. The first to brag and/or shit on others, last at the finish line. |
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Posted: 7/8/2021 9:48:05 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, apparently you cannot comment on a war unless you were in a combat arms MOS in a conflict zone. Sorry man.  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What about guys who had family there? Is that OK?  No, apparently you cannot comment on a war unless you were in a combat arms MOS in a conflict zone. Sorry man. I didn’t say that but you do you. |
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Posted: 7/8/2021 9:49:25 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe did not want to die in bullshit conflicts. Can you blame him? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What kept you from serving? Fear? Physical or mental incapacity? Or did mommy say no? I’m sure you’re quite the tier 1 commando / office gun guy in real life. Maybe did not want to die in bullshit conflicts. Can you blame him? And here we have a member of ARFCOM’s squad. Welcome back! |
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Posted: 7/8/2021 9:50:37 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, for what it's worth, I enlisted to kill. So, we could've been fighting Israelis, and it wouldn't have made a difference to me, I just wanted to pop my cherry. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: In B4 all the tough guys who never served one second in the military start parroting “slot a floppy” and other chest thumping sentences. thank you for your service fighting for Israel, big oil and poppy fields, Hero. Well, for what it's worth, I enlisted to kill. So, we could've been fighting Israelis, and it wouldn't have made a difference to me, I just wanted to pop my cherry. What could of been a cool thread.... 
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Posted: 7/8/2021 9:55:43 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dakota Meyer is that you?! Get off your high horse. I work with people like you, they are the lowest performers on our team. The first to brag and/or shit on others, last at the finish line. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What kept you from serving? Fear? Physical or mental incapacity? Or did mommy say no? I’m sure you’re quite the tier 1 commando / office gun guy in real life. Dakota Meyer is that you?! Get off your high horse. I work with people like you, they are the lowest performers on our team. The first to brag and/or shit on others, last at the finish line. I’m sorry that the Jersey Mike’s sub franchise you work at is full of sub performers. At least you get to eat for free. |
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Posted: 7/8/2021 10:02:02 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t know which is worse, veterans that think they are now special or people that shit in veterans. Neither is a good look. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: In B4 all the tough guys who never served one second in the military start parroting “slot a floppy” and other chest thumping sentences. thank you for your service fighting for Israel, big oil and poppy fields, Hero. I don’t know which is worse, veterans that think they are now special or people that shit in veterans. Neither is a good look. People brag about all kinds of things here. Like never having kids. When they will never be quite the man the could have been not spending years raising a family and being a father. It maximizes your natural state and purpose of being. Another are the million excuses for not serving. Passing a SOF pipeline, being in combat, and pumping some savage full of lead before they set off their vest or shoot you is a forging that maximizes man’s natural role and state. |
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Posted: 7/8/2021 10:03:58 AM EST
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Let’s try to get back on track. I listed two operations performed by the Rhodesians that were outstanding examples of what their military was capable of. Let’s talk about that.
Operation Eland Operation Dingo |
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Posted: 7/8/2021 10:27:51 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is there anywhere to read up on the overall history of Rhodesia and what happened there? I'm currently reading the book Fireforce by Chris Cocks and it's been a great read so far. I remember reading news articles on Rhodesia in the WaPo back in the day when I was a teenager. SOF was a major source of info. Someone here has all the issues online. There was also the book, "Rhodesia" by Robin Cooke. I also remember 60 Minutes did a story on Rhodesia with Morley Safer. It was one of the few times I heard a reporter curse on air. At the end of the segment, he was walking down a dirt track and said Rhodesia might have a chance if the rest of the world kept "their goddamn hands off" the country. |
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