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Posted: 6/20/2023 8:54:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They will only raise prices until the customer decides it is too expensive. Apple's revenue last year was almost 400 billion dollars. |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 8:55:18 PM EDT
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Also Taxation is theft.
Tariffs are a tax and therefore theft. |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 8:55:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Tarrif's are a necessary step in bringing back industry to the USA, but it's only one part. A concentrated program needs to be implemented so we can start producing goods here rather than buying them from china, Or encouraging the migration of those industries out of China. Instead, we've our Chamber of Commerce Party advocates here still saying that enabling the biggest anti free trade element in global history is a good thing. |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 8:56:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No. If you want to bring back manufacturing, make it profitable to produce things in the US. There are many ways to do this, and most of them involve the government simply getting out of the way. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Tarrif's are a necessary step in bringing back industry to the USA, but it's only one part. A concentrated program needs to be implemented so we can start producing goods here rather than buying them from china, No. If you want to bring back manufacturing, make it profitable to produce things in the US. There are many ways to do this, and most of them involve the government simply getting out of the way. Competitive advantage is a thing. For example, I farm a crop called Canola. I do that because my farm lies in a very specific part of the US which is better at growing canola than anywhere else. You can levy all the taxes you want on my county, but that's not going to make a field of canola grow any better in Colorado or Alabama. |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 8:57:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They just pass the cost to is so wtf good does it do lol Imagine trying to compete in manufacturing with someone who has zero labor cost, and zero of the regulation. I bet they dont have OSHA fining them because a door opens the wrong way. |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 8:57:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That is patently ridiculous. The tariffs do nothing to make the cost of US goods cheap enough to compete with Chinese goods. They just make the consumer spend a bit more on Chinese stuff which simply takes that money out of the economy so there is less money available to buy America goods. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: They just pass the cost to is so wtf good does it do lol It changes consumer behavior and brings manufacturing back to the US. Which means more jobs and more domestic wealth creation with less of our local wealth being transferred overseas. That is patently ridiculous. The tariffs do nothing to make the cost of US goods cheap enough to compete with Chinese goods. They just make the consumer spend a bit more on Chinese stuff which simply takes that money out of the economy so there is less money available to buy America goods. The money stays in the US economy, rather than going to China. |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 8:57:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: NAFTA took jobs from the USA to Mexico, then Mexico to India, China etc. There is no free trade bringing in goods made on slave wages. You are 100% correct and you can thank Bill Clinton for that. Even before the Democratic Socialist dictatorship passed that bill. The Republicans said what's happening today would take place. I witnesses the steel plant in my town close down after that bill. |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 8:58:01 PM EDT
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tariffs are usually not a good idea... they make things more expensive for the consumer, in hopes that local industries will use it as a reason to make and sell the same products at the same price as the tariffed goods. does that sound like a good idea?
on the other hand, there are some strategic things this country needs to support, even if with government help, like chip foundries, rare earth mining and similar. if china wants to sell rubber dog shit cheap then i have no problem with it. |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 8:58:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Apple's revenue last year was almost 400 billion dollars. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They will only raise prices until the customer decides it is too expensive. Apple's revenue last year was almost 400 billion dollars. What is your point? |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 8:58:48 PM EDT
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Good. A tariff is just another word for tax. We need less taxes, not more.
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Posted: 6/20/2023 8:59:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: tariffs are usually not a good idea... |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 8:59:48 PM EDT
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Threads not going the way op expected.
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Posted: 6/20/2023 9:00:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Imagine trying to compete in manufacturing with someone who has zero labor cost, and zero of the regulation. I bet they dont have OSHA fining them because a door opens the wrong way. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They just pass the cost to is so wtf good does it do lol Imagine trying to compete in manufacturing with someone who has zero labor cost, and zero of the regulation. I bet they dont have OSHA fining them because a door opens the wrong way. When I hear you say that, I hear a call to deregulate domestic industry, not to tax imports. |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 9:00:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Or encouraging the migration of those industries out of China. Instead, we've our Chamber of Commerce Party advocates here still saying that enabling the biggest anti free trade element in global history is a good thing. They already are. Chinas lack of copyright protection and routine theft of IP has encouraged companies to pack up and move elsewhere. In addition China's previous competitive advantage in wages has largely been eroded over the past decade. |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 9:01:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The money stays in the US economy, rather than going to China. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: They just pass the cost to is so wtf good does it do lol It changes consumer behavior and brings manufacturing back to the US. Which means more jobs and more domestic wealth creation with less of our local wealth being transferred overseas. That is patently ridiculous. The tariffs do nothing to make the cost of US goods cheap enough to compete with Chinese goods. They just make the consumer spend a bit more on Chinese stuff which simply takes that money out of the economy so there is less money available to buy America goods. The money stays in the US economy, rather than going to China. Money going to China is advantageous to us. It reinforces who their daddy is. |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 9:01:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: NAFTA took jobs from the USA to Mexico, then Mexico to India, China etc. There is no free trade bringing in goods made on slave wages.  NAFTA 20TH ANNIV - PEROT GIANT SUCKING SOUND |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 9:01:16 PM EDT
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I buy American goods and I buy Chinese goods.
If you tax me when I have to buy a Chinese product because I cannot afford an equivalent American product, you do nothing that would raise my buying power so I can afford the American product that I cannot afford. Now I have even less money to buy an American product later. Taxing me more just removed money in the economy and less goods are bought over all. Less American and Chinese goods are bought. The taxed money is just wasted by the government. Dear, God. Can this be any simpler? Can you protectionists be any more retarded? |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 9:01:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The money stays in the US economy, rather than going to China. If we impose tariffs on Chinese goods that doesn't mean they just ship us stuff for free. They still make their money. In cases where the demand is high enough like for electronics that we don't even have the capacity to make here anymore, they won't have to worry about it at all. We just pay more and our government gets more tax money. Funny how that always seems to work out that way. |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 9:01:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No. If you want to bring back manufacturing, make it profitable to produce things in the US. There are many ways to do this, and most of them involve the government simply getting out of the way. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Tarrif's are a necessary step in bringing back industry to the USA, but it's only one part. A concentrated program needs to be implemented so we can start producing goods here rather than buying them from china, No. If you want to bring back manufacturing, make it profitable to produce things in the US. There are many ways to do this, and most of them involve the government simply getting out of the way. Boom. Mic drop.... |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 9:01:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That is patently ridiculous. The tariffs do nothing to make the cost of US goods cheap enough to compete with Chinese goods. They just make the consumer spend a bit more on Chinese stuff which simply takes that money out of the economy so there is less money available to buy America goods. So you would buy Chinese at the same prices, or higher than American? |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 9:02:16 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Good. A tariff is just another word for tax. We need less taxes, not more. Lower taxes on US made products, raise tax on foreign made. |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 9:03:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They already are. Chinas lack of copyright protection and routine theft of IP has encouraged companies to pack up and move elsewhere. In addition China's previous competitive advantage in wages has largely been eroded over the past decade. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Or encouraging the migration of those industries out of China. Instead, we've our Chamber of Commerce Party advocates here still saying that enabling the biggest anti free trade element in global history is a good thing. They already are. Chinas lack of copyright protection and routine theft of IP has encouraged companies to pack up and move elsewhere. In addition China's previous competitive advantage in wages has largely been eroded over the past decade. Eroded? It's been obliterated. Chinese labor is far more expensive than it's worth, and every month more companies realize that the cost of divorce is far lower than continued production there. |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 9:03:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Imagine trying to compete in manufacturing with someone who has zero labor cost, and zero of the regulation. I bet they dont have OSHA fining them because a door opens the wrong way. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They just pass the cost to is so wtf good does it do lol Imagine trying to compete in manufacturing with someone who has zero labor cost, and zero of the regulation. I bet they dont have OSHA fining them because a door opens the wrong way. We win that fight daily. You just think we should make rubber dog shit here instead of awesome shit that we do every day. |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 9:03:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If we impose tariffs on Chinese goods that doesn't mean they just ship us stuff for free. They still make their money. In cases where the demand is high enough like for electronics that we don't even have the capacity to make here anymore, they won't have to worry about it at all. We just pay more and our government gets more tax money. Funny how that always seems to work out that way. This right here. Companies don't shift huge supply chains because of a small tariff. |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 9:04:19 PM EDT
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Take more money from American consumers, use it to fuel Big Government?
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Posted: 6/20/2023 9:04:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dear, God. Can this be any simpler? Can you protectionists be any more retarded? It's not framed as a tax, it's framed as something that hurts China. That's how you get conservatives to support a tax increase on corporations. |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 9:04:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The money stays in the US economy, rather than going to China. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: They just pass the cost to is so wtf good does it do lol It changes consumer behavior and brings manufacturing back to the US. Which means more jobs and more domestic wealth creation with less of our local wealth being transferred overseas. That is patently ridiculous. The tariffs do nothing to make the cost of US goods cheap enough to compete with Chinese goods. They just make the consumer spend a bit more on Chinese stuff which simply takes that money out of the economy so there is less money available to buy America goods. The money stays in the US economy, rather than going to China. We give China billions of dollars. Are you not fucking paying attention? We waste trillions on other countries. Did you even think about this before you typed it? |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 9:05:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We need to go full trade war on China. We need to force the supply chains out of China. DeSantis just lost 2028. |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 9:06:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Paying tariffs to our government will force us off cheap goods? Really? If the tariff does not bring up the cost of chinese goods to the same cost as American goods then the Chinese goods will still sell for less and you have less money to buy American goods because you paid billions to the corrupt federal government. Depends on the companies overhead. But, yes the tariffs need to be effective. |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 9:06:50 PM EDT
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Ok but will he allow norinco back into the US
Want me some cheap ammo, qbz guns, anything really |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 9:07:58 PM EDT
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I don’t understand the Desantis hate.
The left hates him, Trump has a less than zero chance of winning, and he gets shit done all while saying exactly what’s on his mind. This “pure candidate” bullshit is just going to ensure the democrats don’t have to cheat. |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 9:08:04 PM EDT
[#32]
Well atleast we will keep our houses full of cheap junk.
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Posted: 6/20/2023 9:08:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Tariffs have never worked. If you want REAL economic warfare you need embargoes. No one in power will ever seriously suggest an embargo. After we wean off with tariffs, then we can talk about embargo. |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 9:09:50 PM EDT
[#34]
Well atleast we will keep our houses full of cheap junk.
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Posted: 6/20/2023 9:10:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So you would buy Chinese at the same prices, or higher than American? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That is patently ridiculous. The tariffs do nothing to make the cost of US goods cheap enough to compete with Chinese goods. They just make the consumer spend a bit more on Chinese stuff which simply takes that money out of the economy so there is less money available to buy America goods. So you would buy Chinese at the same prices, or higher than American? The chinese product is often 25% or less the cost of the American product. If you raise the cost of the Chinese product to match the American product that I could not afford, now I buy no fucking thing....at all. You don't get my money. The Chinese don't get my money. The government does get my money. I spend it on something else.... |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 9:10:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We need some pain to stop elevating Communists. We've really fucked our selves selling out to commie slave labor. All these dead heads in this country keep talking about slavery....well hell,....we have sold out to Chinese slave labor.......I thought slavery was evil, didnt we fight a war over it....... and here it is the victors of the war who now run the UNION, sells us out to commies and their slave labor products............ hahahahahahahah...!!!! we are a stupid people |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 9:12:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t understand the Desantis hate. The left hates him, Trump has a less than zero chance of winning, and he gets shit done all while saying exactly what’s on his mind. This “pure candidate” bullshit is just going to ensure the democrats don’t have to cheat. He isn't Trump. Its honestly as simple as that. Trump motivated people in a way few Presidents have, which is both good and bad. If he weren't running Desantis would be the preferred candidate by a mile. Instead the most effective conservative governor in years if not a decade is branded a RINO. |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 9:12:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Take more money from American consumers, use it to fuel Big Government? I'd write it so it directly pays off the debt. |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 9:13:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd write it so it directly pays off the debt. That's like emptying the ocean with a dixie cup. |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 9:13:47 PM EDT
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Sigh...
The world puts VATS and tariffs on our goods. Their citizens then support their industry and buy local. Their citizens dont pay the tax... by refusing to buy our goods. But sure... if we respond to protect our manufacturing at home, we're idiots. We should just totally just continue to watch industry pour out of our nation and flow to countries that are happy to put tariffs on our goods.  I manufacture goods here. Just tonight, I had a Canadian go off on us in a CS email because he had to pay an import tax of $89 on his UPS order of $300 from us... Somehow the rest of the world chugs along protecting their societies and economies.. Import taxes by Nation... |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 9:14:09 PM EDT
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OK, no tariffs. Trade is just banned for giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
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Posted: 6/20/2023 9:14:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuck, we’re fucked. That's what happens when as a nation we started looking to fallible men to solve our problems instead of God. But the next election iS tEh mOsT iMpOrTaNt eLeKtShUn eVaR. |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 9:16:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We win that fight daily. You just think we should make rubber dog shit here instead of awesome shit that we do every day. We have had 5 local shops that specialize in smaller injection mold dies shut in the last 5 months. I've talked to 2 of the owners and they sad they can no long compete with dies coming from China. |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 9:17:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The chinese product is often 25% or less the cost of the American product. If you raise the cost of the Chinese product to match the American product that I could not afford, now I buy no fucking thing....at all. You don't get my money. The Chinese don't get my money. The government does get my money. I spend it on something else.... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: That is patently ridiculous. The tariffs do nothing to make the cost of US goods cheap enough to compete with Chinese goods. They just make the consumer spend a bit more on Chinese stuff which simply takes that money out of the economy so there is less money available to buy America goods. So you would buy Chinese at the same prices, or higher than American? The chinese product is often 25% or less the cost of the American product. If you raise the cost of the Chinese product to match the American product that I could not afford, now I buy no fucking thing....at all. You don't get my money. The Chinese don't get my money. The government does get my money. I spend it on something else.... It will hurt, the change needs to be gradual. Things will correct better in time. But at least you won't be living under Chinese Communist control, as that's where we are headed. The Chinese are leveraging our Corporations, to control our Government. For their benefit. How do you think this train ride ends? |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 9:17:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sigh... The world puts VATS and tariffs on our goods. Their citizens then support their industry and buy local. Their citizens dont pay the tax... by refusing to buy our goods. But sure... if we respond to protect our manufacturing at home, we're idiots. We should just totally just continue to watch industry pour out of our nation and flow to countries that are happy to put tariffs on our goods. I manufacture goods here. Just tonight, I had a Canadian go off on us in a CS email because he had to pay an import tax of $89 on his UPS order of $300 from us... Somehow the rest of the world chugs along protecting their societies and economies.. Import taxes by Nation... |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 9:17:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't understand the Desantis hate. The left hates him, Trump has a less than zero chance of winning, and he gets shit done all while saying exactly what's on his mind. This "pure candidate" bullshit is just going to ensure the democrats don't have to cheat. |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 9:18:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd write it so it directly pays off the debt. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Take more money from American consumers, use it to fuel Big Government? I'd write it so it directly pays off the debt. Is that how Trump did it? |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 9:19:12 PM EDT
[#48]
One more reason to write-in TRUMP if his name isn’t on the ballot.
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Posted: 6/20/2023 9:20:29 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: One more reason to write-in TRUMP if his name isn't on the ballot.  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 9:21:10 PM EDT
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Bought and paid for.
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